Historical Realism Review: Assassin's Creed Odyssey
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Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a fun game, but how does it hold up in the historical department? The answer is "very good". Like, damn yo.
This video is based on ~40 hours of play time, which took me to the end of chapter 5 and level 30 of 50. if I encounter anything in the later game that affects my analysis in the video, I'll put up a card in the video itself, and I'll pin a comment with a larger explanation.
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You can't say no to Ian McKellen narrating the Odyssey. You just can't, people.
-B
wish their was some Thespiae/Theban soldiers in Thermopylae Thespiae in particular Demophilius is a fucking bro to Leonidas on the third day.
You mentioned you'd link your streams squeeing over the game in real time in your descriptions :(
No Diogenes? No play!
Which assassin’s creed are you going to do next?
So when are we gonna get more videos concerning the Medieval era? All you covered is the Crusades and Venice so far.
I wanna know about histories of the Kingdoms of England, France, the Holy Roman Empire, The Papal States, the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon that formed Spain.
Do videos on Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, William the Conquerer, Otto I, Richard the Lionheart, The Hundred Years War, the War of the Roses, The Reconquista?
When you dock in Sparta for the first time, Alexios/Kassandra says: "The Spartans can build all the ships they want, but Poseidon will never favor them as he does the Athenians."
Actually Poseidon was Athena's rival so that's historically inaccurate.
@@bloodybastard8247 It's referring to the fact that the Athenians had a massive navy while the Spartans were never able to match them
@@bloodybastard8247 no, its accurate actually, he meant that athens has a way better navy, which is historically accurate
@@bloodybastard8247
That was not litteral.
And historicaly innacurate.
We are talking about god here so yes.
What this sentence Say is
Spartan can built as many boat as they want
They still suck with them.
Poseidon forgave athens eventually
A minor detail I love is they use k instead of c in names like actual ancient greek not anglicized
Sokrates, Alkibiades, Kassandra...
Dont you mean anglikized~?
... that was a terrible joke
Vicodyn no thats just their alphabet looking different than the English alphabet.
@Vicodyn they did pronounce Bs like Vs, for example Barbabas becomes Varnavas, and Boeotia becomes Voeotia
@@_ratsoup1348 No, they didn't. Ancient Greeks pronounced Bs as Bs. That's why the greek loan words in Latin and via Latin in the Romance languages have words like "Barbarian", etc. Only later in Middle Greek and modern Greek the pronunciation shifted to V. As the eastern Slavic languages came into contact with middle Greek first thus having words pronounced like "Varvari"(Barbarians) and "Vasil" (Basil).
That "feel like Spider-Man" gag caught me so off guard
The warship explosive like their are full of gun powder just form arrow and ramming caught me of guard
Damn it wrong game!
Ikr
😂😂😂
Alexmarr7224 Alexios: I should be gentle here.
I'm happy that Greece got a game over Rome, because as much as I love both I always felt like Greece has been kinda underrepresented in games except for perhaps Civilization
And in origins for 1
misstion lol
King Swirl 👑 Italy*, I didn’t see any Legionnaires or anything in Brotherhood
Only thing I really want from Rome was to climb that massive coliseum.
@King Swirl 👑 Not really imo... There are probably many roman periods that would make a very interesting game. With the all new massive scale Origins and Odyssey have brought to the exploration and how much better and larger Ubisoft's world designs are getting, a properly written AC game set in an interesting Roman period will make Renaissance Rome from brotherhood seem puny in comparison (no, I'm not dissing Ezio).
especially since rome stole so much culture from greece :D
“I’m sure the Spartans will give up eventually”
-A stupid Athenian
"I am sure the Athenians with their naval superiority and colonies to support them, will be starved out any day now"
- A stupid Spartan.
"I'm sure Alexander will fall in battle any day now"
- A stupid Persian
Another Peloponnesian War in comment section
"I'm sure that the Athenians will arrive soon! Any month now... Right guys?... Guys?"
-A Theban
"Oh, sure they will. Most definitely, the Spartans will just up and leave for their next feast of Apollo Karneios, maláka."
"Spartans couldn't navigate a bathtub without drowning"
I damn near spit out my drink at this line
This game is so huge, sometimes it is overwhelming for me, and i dont say that often
All the effort others put into online Aco put into single player. Ill be playing this game for maybe a year before im finished
GoatzAreEpic Maokai to bad Ubisoft now think Big Map = good game
@@gunny4274 you evidently have not played the game.
well as an expert I'd say good game: yes
Good AC game: No
Ax X 1. Never claimed to be a expert look at the accounts name above my comment
2. I’m not a live action roleplaying game
Are you kidding? THAT'S Alkibiades? I agree Blue - he isn't *NEARLY* hot enough
Shuru10 did he record his reaction to the party, I would love to see that
He wasn't a weirdo like this stupid SJW game tries to act like
PAPike alkibiades was a massive sex fiend. That’s why he was booted from Sparta
I was expecting henry cavill
@@MinecraftWithPAPike None of that behaviour was considered "weird" in Ancient Greece. Also, the game isn't for SJWs and if it was it failed terribly at showing that. I suppose you are one of those "this isn't an assassin's creed" guys who constantly bashes the game instead of playing something you actually like so there my be not much point in telling you that though.
>game set in greece
>can't use a shield
0/10
>Not a single hoplite phalanx
>Sparta has a navy
-10/10 IGN
Apparently the reason is "Yes, Spartans did use shields, but our Hero is a mercenary, not a Spartan soldier. Our gameplay is much more versatile than that of Origins and a shield was not suited to it, so we replaced shields with dodging, rolling and parrying mechanics. The parry mechanics gives a bit more of feel of old school AC Fight of counter attack, while still retaining fight mechanics of Origins. I can't speak for the future of the franchise for social stealth and parkour." Not sure how the option of using a shield isn't more versatility in addition to the dodging, rolling and parrying mechanics. Strange to see how much they want to cling to the parry and counter combo which, AFAIK, has been a largely unliked part of the last few AC games. Switch it up a bit, add some blocking. AC's combat system isn't bad, but it really feels like they've just settled. Some people didn't like shields in Origins so they decided to do away with them in a setting where they were a core element of warfare?
To be fair, hoplons were intended to be used in a formation. It would probably be too unwieldy for single combat.
there is actually a shield in game that you get as a quest reward. you can't use it though.
Wee Jock Poopong MacPlop the reason is in your off hand you have a artefact of Eden which lets you do the slow time and shit
I hope the next game is either Iron Age Celtic Britain or Medieval Scotland. It would make sense that the assassins would use Scotland as a hiding place for the powerful artifact macguffin, and it would be really cool to see.
EDIT: After seeing how they portrayed the Celts in Assassin's Creed Valhalla, I've changed my mind: I want them to stay away from anything Celtic for the rest of their lives unless it's as one big apology for what they did with the Celts in Valhalla!
You sir made a great suggestion I would let them take all my money if they did that.
I think that feudal Japan can also work, considering the theme of order vs freedom that is very present in these games.
Obviously they hid the macguffin under Stonehenge, and the druids were just the predecessors of the Hashashins.
Those sickles were clearly not for cutting plants.
I'll bet 100 dollars they'll do none of those. Because Ubisoft have pretty much been exclusively whoring out the most fan requested settings since Unity, because they don't have a creative direction for this franchise anymore. The days of seeing a unique, obscure setting like 12th Century Jerusalem, 16th Century Constantinople or 18th Century Boston because the developers actually wanted to legitimately tell that story and do something fresh are over. Now they're just putting checkmarks on the list of overused fan requested setting because a comitee calculated it will probably sell more.
Also I think Iron Age Britain would be really bad for an Assassin's Creed game as there's almost no documented history, almost no major cities and pretty sparse landmarks, it would be pretty boring if you ask me.
@marvelfannumber1 There are quite a few cities and landmarks that they could explore. If it was early in the Roman Occupation of Britain for example, they could have Londinium, Hadrian's Wall, Maiden Castle (a very large Iron Age Hill Fort), etc.
No phalanx? Hoplites without shields? Wait, what? (Spartan Trireme).
Dont forget about Leonidas, the apex of what it was to be Spartan, ditching his shield in his second attack in the first cutscene you view in the game... lmao
The enemy hoplites and heavier enemy units do have shields.
@@SuppositionalBox you also get punished for losing your shield if you're a real spartan.
I've seen someone do some mods on ACOdyssey.
Maybe they can mod the conquest battles(add a little bit more tactics and formations). That would be great.
@@user-mx6ut6tm1t the mods are all texture and/or model replacers, there are none that actually change gameplay in any way
Blue sounding excited is intoxicating as hell
Pure adorablenessnessness
such a cute dude
Gay
thats probably how he got Cyan, though i got the feeling that it's shes become desensitized to it ;)
Not a 'Historical Realism' candidate, but it would be great to have a 'Mythological Accuracy' series for different media and if it afected your enjoyment of the product overall
Okay if that happened I’d say Disney’s Hercules should be first up on the chopping block. Because it is LAUGHABLY inaccurate.
Petilil FTW! Literally so not even close.. It is indeed laughable! When I found out the “true” story, I was shocked!
That’s the aspect I was looking forward to most in this game. I was super into Greek, Roman and Egyptian Mythology when I was a teen. I even learned a little Greek. But the “Mythological Accuracy” aspect is a great idea.
Reviewing the God of War franchise on mythological accuracy would be very interesting
When I woke up in the real world I was like “What in the holiest of hells are they talking about? Dafuq is an Abstergo? Why am I wearing a PSVR headset? I wanna go back to Kassandra!”
They should all the out-of-animus missions optional. I hate them all
@@masterspark9880 the OG Ac fans would hate yall
Eff u - sincerely, a AC original player
@@nbkarki I’ve played the og games as well. I’ve always hated the missions that force you to leave the animus
@Lel E The modern part may be the main storyline but to me it’s nowhere near as interesting or fun as the historical part. It feels like a chore
Really should have had a shield...as a Spartan warrior. A Phalanx feature would have been awesome too
If you play the game only as a spartan warrior laying siege to Athens, it wouldn't be that odyssey feel.
But neither Kassandra or Alexios were Spartan warriors. They were _born_ in Sparta, sure. But both were cast out before their training could really begin.
MrHerecomesjohnny concurred.
@@MrHerecomesjohnny A Spartan warrior having a shield does not equal sitting about laying siege to Athens, it simply means more historical accuracy and less battle royale for normies BS. If they had time to put in nonsense like unicorn phobos and the lot, they could have added proper features that Origins already had to begin with.
@@Tripnotik25 you want more realism by.....making him parkour with a spartan shield?
I don't wanna be that guy but a few little nit picks:
1) Yes sparta didn't have a navy (or a significant one at least) but sparta entered the conflict with corinth as an ally who did have a significant navy.
2) yes the spears were double ended but as far as I'm aware the second tip is for bracing the spear by digging it into the ground. I haven't heard of the second tip being used as a weapon.
1) The Navy Athens and allies assembled was still superior.
2) That is the case for infantry, but cavalry spears did use both ends as weapons.
@@matthewmuir8884 Except that Sparta didn't have a significant cavalry either, those back end spears could be used to kill those who fell and were dying, so you would finish them off. You would also use it if your spear head broke
@Kronus Thanks. I knew that Sparta didn't have a significant cavalry; I just figured that the two-headed spears in the game having both ends used as weapons would make sense in the case of cavalry spears. Thanks for that knowledge about infantry spears.
They used the second end of the spear if the first tip broke off so that they could keep fighting. Once the second half of the spear was unusable they'd use their short sword. But yeah the back end of the spear was also used for impaling the dying on the ground
double ended spear sounds like a TERRIBLE idea for anyone not in the frontline of the Phalanx
Blue: hooray authentic Greek pronounciation
Also Blue: Al Chee Bi Ah Dees
I absolutely love this game. Obviously the combat isn’t very historically accurate among other things, but the world, and sailing the Aegean sea.. just blows me away. They’ve done such a great job with this game.
I've played it various times at a friends house and I must say I am was in awe with it. Even though I don't like the AC series. But i~d consider buying this game just for the landscape and cities. I mean this is exactly how I imagined greece. A beautiful country rich of culture.
I kinda wish we would build our cities like that, at least with some nice beautiful touch.
@@LeprutzI’m not crazy about the AC games either.
But I play odyssey at least once a year just to jump into Ancient Greece.
Absolutely phenomenal
Knife wife!
Please ignore the sword sticking out of her back. That was always there.
No, Kassandra has never seen it before.
It was clearly that Athenian soldier (who attacked her in a bloodthirsty frenzy because of her pacifistic pro-Delian views).
It's completely harmless anyway so it's no big deal, why are you making this a big deal?
The blood is fake, look, she's up and running already!
Also, this is completely unrelated, but Blue has great aiming skills, is a Knife Wife fan and prefers the Spartan Kick execution method, so it clearly couldn't be him. Not that it matters who it was, because it's not a big deal.
knifu.
[3:40] "They couldn't navigate a bathtub without drowning." I peed myself a little when I heard this. Kudos, filos!
I lost my shit I laughed like I was joker
I was so pumped to equip a spartan uniform, Javelin, and Shield.
:(
Me to. Almost became unplayable for me when I couldn't use a shield as a spartan.
@@brandoncliff5653 you guys bought a game without seeing any trailer about what it was? Why did you just assume the main character was going to be a spartan soldier?
@@MrHerecomesjohnny because he's a Spartan and doesn't use a fucking shield which ruins alot of the immersion, as was already brought up in the vid the Spartans aren't even historically accurate, they don't use any formations and just bum rush all of greece and there's no explanation for the navy, we're just supposed to accept a kingdom who has no walls has a bloody navy? That's not accurate in the least and would've offered better and more intricate gameplay
Yourrrrr nottttt sparta!!!!!!! *spartan kicks*
one thing that really miffed me was the fact that within 20 seconds of fighting, Leonidas threw his shield... so much for "return with your shield or on it."
'Requiscat in pace' is Latin.
@@johnmccarron7066 Good point, I didn't do enough research. My bad.
One: I nearly scream like a teenager when meet Herodotus for first time.
Two: Wait, there's another goat?
I saw another nice detail in your first meeting with Hippokrates. He's attempting to treat a patient and describing symptoms which lined up with late stages of Rabies. Of course, there's nothing to do for the poor man, but Hippokrates doesn't know that and still wants to find a cure.
One (minor) thing in this game that bugs me is how solid bronze armor stretches and twists like a second skin as characters shift around.
"I haven't reached the late game yet."
*me after roughly 300-400 hours of side quests.*
This is the first video I've seen on your channel, and I wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed it. Your delivery, wise cracks and scripting are greatly done, and I appreciated your very apparent passion for the subject of ancient Greece, because I also love it. Definitely gonna watch more.
13:00 I feel like this ties into one of the few real missed opportunities in the game, namely how under-utilized the recruitment system feels. At the end of the day, only four of those people you recruit actually matter and they only matter during boarding actions. The concept of the Conquest Battles seems like its just BEGGING for the option of bringing a team of your own recruits into battle with you. The concept of building your own badass band of mercenaries seems a lot more in keeping with how mercenaries worked in Ancient Greece.
I would have loved to recruit people just to fight with me but i got my tamed animal so im good
That wpuld have been funny as shit when you consider the erm... "Non-canon" recruits, like Odysseus and Charon the Ferryman. Imagine being trapped in pitch combat with the Spartan army, and seeing the literal actual incarnation of Hade's boatman strolling up looking to gut you.
If ubisoft wasn't so fucking terrible to their modding community (or as a company in general) I could totally see someone putting in a M&B style fighting/recruiting system. That would be freaking amazing if done right!
One of THE biggest strengths of this game has been the musical score. Irrespective of how long it has been or how many games I've played after it, no other music sticks in my head the same way as Odyssey's. Major props to the music department.
The "spartan" kick is an extremely viable fighting technique, I've won 2 fights that I've used it in. It's also great for making distance between you and your opponent.
Regarding Kassandra, does the game treat her like it's a common thing? I'm fine with a female warrior in ancient Greece no matter how unusual it is, my only problem would be if the game doesn't even bother mentioning how unusual it was.
In my opinion the story would be pretty compelling if it showed the struggles of women back then and yet still have Kassandra kick ass when overcoming those struggles.
I imagine not as then they'd weak with political fallback media wise
Love this. Also, I'm confused as to all the women in the spartan and athenian armies too. I know this is weird to hear, but as a guy, I don't feel very comfortable knifing and murdering women. I know that I should treat them the same, but when you've been raised to respect and care for women, it's STILL not comfortable to knife them even if they're bandits.
@@j.brandonpaine6365
There shouldn't even be any of them!! No, sane woman would join an army where defeat and capture would more than likely lead to a horrible experience.
@@j.brandonpaine6365 I ended the game, there was not a single woman in athenian or spartan armies, there were women in bandits camps, and cults that followed Artemis. Which is actually accurate to the period. In general banditry and piracy was a beacon for women who wanted to scape the oppresive domestic lifestile. Usually they were more contacts than attackers, but they could probably defend themselves if the need arose.
To be honest I preferred how Syndicate dealt with it. You could play as Jacob or Evie (or both from mission to mission) which allowed them to be separate characters with separate combat styles and personality. In the plot of Odyssey it would not have worked, unfortunately. So sticking with Kassandra (since she's from the novel) would probably have made for a much more engaging game. Because I agree, dealing with the difference in how Sparta and Athen treat women would have been interesting, especially with how she wouldn't have felt loyal to Sparta at first due to her background. Makes for a more compelling story, really.
That Sparta burn is sick af as someone very much into the history of ancient Greek...I adored it.
Ahhh thank you for this video!!! I really enjoyed your livestreams when I could join in and I’m glad you made this video😁
I’ve been watching lots of play throughs of this game and it’s beautiful, I’ve always been really interesting in Greece/Sparta so it’s awesome to see it so well done, with some changes for game play lol. (Tears about the Sparta kick but I could see how that wouldn’t work😢)
Your live streams.are the reason I got the game! Love the videos guys :)
Damnit, when will Ubisoft borrow a page from Mount & Blade's book? Mount & Blade does formation combat extremely well. It does combat in general extremely well, in fact.
Completely different genres of games
Its......not
Need effort and mods to do it, and it still clunky as heck sometimes. Heck, we also mostly play as miniatures on maps rather than proper tps person.
Making it at the scale of Odyssey is...... just heck.
I mean, Alcibiedes wasn't exactly super chiseled Henry Cavil, but I've got to say the more androgynous look does it for me.
Gave me that Griffith vibe or ElF
all history says of alcibiades really is that he was extremely handsome, attactive and sly with words. something that he actively made use of in order to get into everyone's face. rumor had it that when he finally decided to betray Sparta as well, he left them a little present, inside the belly of their queen no less.
AlphaXTitania Henry cavil is fucking hot ahahaha
yeah exactly like you say; the femboyish appearance did make him appealing and made me almost sleep with him hehe ;-)
my girlfriend wanted to bone him bad, and she's bi that actually prefers women as far as attraction goes so it definitely appeals to a certain set of people
I'm new here, my buddy just turned me onto this channel, but I really love how you guys just delve into the history and the mythology of these cultures and how much you guys love what it is you're talking about. Because of this, I was really excited to see what you thought of this game after I started playing it myself, and it was great seeing how much you loved it, especially for what was accurate in it. If you didn't like it, I honestly probably would've second guessed how I liked the game. I intend to keep watching this brilliant channel and I'm looking forward to see what comes up next!
Thank you for this! I have been mad over the no phalanxes for so long and felt like no one else cared.
Play it on 200 % resolution all high settings ac odyssey is a blessing.
Yeah, maybe in 2050, I'll do that, cuz the current best hardware can't even run it at 60 fps on 2k :(
UNISTAR lol no maybe 2100
My Classical Studies teacher described it as a cleaned up version of Ancient Greece.
I’m currently listening to The Odyssey narrated by Claire Danes on Audible. I wanted the Ian Mckellan version but many reviews say the audio is horrendous later on in the recordings.
Also, great video. I was blown away by the usage of history in this game. I didn’t know games could be like this
I love you gushing over the cities. Makes me wanna turn off my HUD and just walk around for a while, objectives be damned!
I had no interest in this game until this video.
10/10 Ubisoft get Blue on your advertising team to sell the AC series.
we would have hated it BECAUSE he got paid by ubi, if that happened.
Eh, i think he just overhyped that there's actually a game that care about ancient greek for once
I like also that they keep the sea levels of the time relatively accurate. Today there is no way you can reach Mycenae by ship (for instance), or other ancient sites that had that access when sea levels were as high as this game portrays.
I've been searching for a video like this. Thank you!
Yo Blue are you going to continue to live stream you side questing? I really enjoyed it. Some of the questions and the history that you talked about I later learned in class at college. It was awesome! Loved all the Sparta- kicking that you did.
Re Triremes and ramming. AC Origins' small naval sections, as you mentioned in that game's video, also had a focus on ramming as well. I didn't really understand the change in combat styles once you hit the Age of Sail, and my continued mental focus on it in Rogue lead to so many desyncs until I could retrain myself. But going into Odyssey I knew that fact, and I was very excited for ramming to be effective again.
As for the Spartan ships, I don't know about the deeper historical accuracy, I like to pretend they belong to and are crewed by Sparta's allies.
Also when I saw Alkibiades stumble in wearing only a loincloth and go start an orgy in the back room, I went "well Blue is going to love this." I was planning on only romancing women with Kassandra, but not taking the flirt option with Alkibiades felt historically unfateful.
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but Spartans had a rule (Spartans not the Spartan army), "Come back with your shield, or come back on it". Honestly "duel wielding" is cool the way it is done, but a shield would be so much more useful. Having the ability to switch between the two would be pretty nice.
thank you Thank You THANK YOU for saving my butt in my college entrance test!!! All those nights binge-watching your miscellaneous myths paid off!! Thank you so much!!
Excellent video! I agree with all of your points, especially the Sparta kick being ineffective and Alexios / Kassandra needing a shield badly
I got the game because I’m taking a Greek history course as a university elective (on Greek society). Although the course covers a large history of ancient Greece, the game is seriously helping and there is so much consistency between the game and the course I’m taking. Almost everything is identical. It’s helping me drop 90s in this course. Way better than simply writing things on cue cards.
Blue: AC odyssey is very realistic.
Minotoar: hold my wine
Oscar Pelletier also the cyclops, the Sphinx, and Medusa lol
@@arealhumanbeing4583 They had to jam that Isu subplot in somehow. God forbid we have a kooky Ancient Greece game w/ gods and monsters without jamming the convoluted Assassin's Creed bullshit.
I love how the put the mithical creatures but ended up being scams
All the while you had a piece of eden with you making you a god
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong That's where head canon comes in. Ridiculously boring and convoluted AC over-arching plot? Nah.
The monsters are definitely actually monsters and not artifacts made by a precursor race.
The main character is a badass not because they get a super-spear made by a precursor race, but because they are the child or the incarnation of a war god.
Head canon.
@@gadrill4285 Being able to make the ideas not shit by pretending that Ubisoft has the tinest glimmer of creativity left doesn't make the fact that they don't less depressing
Glad I found this channel. Great analysis. U got a new sub!
happy to see you're still playing AC! great video. -Lawson
Hey blue is there a way to send you letters and packages?
Blue: «you can see the whole of greece represented here»
Ionians: am I a joke to you?
I subbed just because you’re damn good at this very professional
Easy way to solve the land battle problem: Have it start out as a phalanx, then have after phalanx participation the phalanx break under too much pressure from the enemy side, devolving into a melee. Bam, you're done. Or you could choose to assist the long-range auxiliaries that tended to shoot from farther away, like slingers, javelineers, archers, etc.
Fantastic video though, as a fan of ancient history myself the footage you put up for the game looks stunning.
I think most of us would really appreciate highlights from those steams
The historical details of everything besides warfare is absolutely impressive. However, the game really need better writing for the conversations. Many times the conversation doesn't flow well especially when you chose to ask the optional questions.
Also, there is a huge difference in quality between different side quests and even main quests. Most of the side quests are down right forgettable. There are some side quests that I know from the beginning is there to show case some greek regional characteristics but really doesn't do anything else than that. Even for the mythical creatures, the Minotaur missions felt really interesting with well written characters and interesting choices. But then the Cyclops missions felt boring except the moment when a certain someone was smashed.
I know there is a large amount of effort going into the historical details but the lack of well written side characters was disappointing especially after I have played The Witcher 3. But overall the main story is still quite enjoyable with all the good historical characters. I shouldn't expect that much from them since they already did a very good job.
"The historical details of everything besides warfare is absolutely impressive." it would be if it had no black people or literely arab looking people instead of greeks like all non important spartans look brown every single spartan soldier is brown and there are sub saharan blacks as pirate captain and prostitute and so on which makes no sense whatsoever since ancient greece was racist asf and white only
Hey now, dont judge a game after playing witcher 3. It's a little unfair haha
I beg to differ, many sidequests in AC games are either hilarious or novel. In AC Odyssey, you spend 5 minutes talking a woman out of suicide because she too lost her spouse. It's an emphatic moment that doesn't appear in most games' fetch quests. Same for Witcher 3's tiny moments where you help orphans or whatever. Also, Witcher 3 had its fair share of one-sided, bland characters. Especially villains.
*Origins
Emperor Chaos where on earth did you read that Ancient Greece was racist? Are you aware of how close Greece is to Egypt?
THIS is perfect for research for my future novels soon enough!
I love this Video sooo much! It made me appreciate the game even more!
yeah the no shield thing and the mystery of the missing phalanx kinda bugged me too
"We've discovered the answer through deductive reasoning! The phalanx we knew about through historical knowledge wasn't with a hoplon shield but with the bottom plate of their greaves. They would Spartan Kick the arrows incoming from Xerxes' Immortals." - Ubisoft Historical Accuracy Division
Lmao
Also worth to mention on the gameplay part why a female version is acceptable, and why can you do Spartan kicks and other over the top things is because the character you play is basically a demigod.
i'm doing my first playthrough of odyssey right now and I find the attention they gave to the world building amazing and definitely worth going forward for
I've just started playing this game last month (already 150 hours in) and I'm reading Stephen Fry's book Mythos about greek myths. I've rarely been so invested in a game as I have in this one. It's amazing.
The one thing (and it’s a very small detail) that made me go “huh ?” while playing the game is that when Kassandra/Alexios discovers Atlantis, they get excited because they “thought it was just a myth”
The first recorded mention of Atlantis was done by Plato whom you actually meet as a child in this game. Kassandra/Alexios shouldn’t know what it is at all, and the fact that they mention how they thought it was just a myth means it has to be an old legend that even the Ancient Greeks didn’t believe in anymore
Like I said, it’s a very small thing, but I remember squinting really hard at the screen in doubt when I saw this happening
ok late reply, but there is way to fudge this:
Plato's mention of Atlantis is the first recorded mention of it (and, yeah, he probably made it up himself), but within the context of Plato's works the events take place thousands of years in the past from his perspective, and he frames it as a retelling passed down to him. So yeah, an actual living real life person wouldn't, realistically, hear about Atlantis at that point, but within the alternate fictional reality, they might, and the game takes place in a kinda-sorta fictional world based on myth and ancient Greek fiction rather than the real one, so like... Maybe it's not that weird that they heard of Atlantis if the tale of Atlantis is supposedly an old myth within that fictional framework?
I felt like ubisoft quebec took a lot more liberties in terms of historical realism with Odyssey compared to ubisoft montreal's Origins, especially with some of the smaller and somewhat larger details.
*SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT*
One mentioned in the video, was that it's not unrealistic for woman to be warriors, or the idea of it, at that time and I pretty much agree with that but wouldn't kassandra be treated differently from alexios? Her interactions with the people of athens would be incredibly different from how she would be treated in sparta from my understanding.
Another detail is technically a spoiler that's revealed further in the game that the main protagonist is the grandson/daughter of leonidas and that his/her mother is the daughter of leonidas, even though leonidas had a son named Pleistarchus who was a king of sparta?
For anyone reading this I took out a paragraph that I wrote about Pausanias of Sparta since I got clarification on it.
The first is probably just because Origins didn't have a female lead, and so didn't have to deal with that problem.
And it would require so many resources for so little gain, that they likely just decided it wasn't worth it and made every conversation unisex.
I mean, if you're willing to create blatant historical fiction like a Spartan navy, then ignoring the different gender policies to get massive cost-savings seems like a no-brainer.
Hadn't heard about the "Spartan prince(ss)" but it seems like an unnecessary plothole. Did they at least go for the classic "dad got a bad prophecy and left them for dead, got found and raised by random wolves/childless goat herders/heirless king" spiel? At least then they have the plausible deniability of a coverup (honest guv'nor!).
@@Healermain15 Yeah, I assumed that the reason the dialogue for both of the protagonist was unisex was just to save money but it's still pretty dumb to not give us an authentic depiction of the social conditions of ancient Greece.
The spartan navy issue is more like historical fantasy or alternate history if you ask me.
I don't think it was because of cost saving. If you finally get to play as a badass woman but basically have to choose Sparta if you don't want to constantly have sexism thrown at you would be boring. It would make the game less fun when playing as a woman if all the Athenians will be shitty towards you. Women already get that enough irl so it wouldn't be fun to see in a videogame.
It's like the issue with the fleets: they made the game less accurate to make it more fun to play.
you deserve lots of views man! great! entertaining
Thanks for that video. It inspired me to try my first AC game and I love it.
Oh man...Ancient Greece. If it wasnt so brutal I'd love to go back in time there
"Makes you feeeeel like Spiderman"
I bursted out laughing, that was too good 😂😂😂
Awesome video. I really liked your history content as well. I'm subscribing.
The one thing that they started doing in Origins that I really appreciate and ADORE! Is that you can play a sort of explorer mode where you go into cities or monuments in the wilderness and you can have narration explaining stuff in depth without the whole codex entry thing
Don't forget to mention Barnabas's questionable use of the word "Epic", on the continent where the word originated.
Oh... And the fact that Leonidas ditches his hoplon shield in the SECOND ATTACK in the first cutscene of the game. Why? Why would you ditch the means to execute 95% of all the tactics that Spartans used in combat via Phalanx... When he did that, my jaw hit the floor lmao!
He had magic spear, he did not need anything else *spartan ship appears *
The "Sparta kick" is just a front push kick or teep in Muay Thai and is extremely effective in real combat. Good examples include Jds and Robert Whittaker in the ufc as well as practically any Muay Thai fighter.
Thank you! I'm not sure where this guy got the idea that a basic front kick isn't effective in real life, it's actually the most effective kick for armored combat. He doesn't seem too knowledgeable about fighting.
@@sourxpill
He got the idea because he's likely never been in a fight in his entire life.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 Kind of comes with the property of being nerd-like.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 shut up fash.
Are you serious? You're comparing MMA to armored combat? Give me a longsword and try to Spartan kick me lmao. That would barely be effective against someone weilding a knife let alone a sword, shield and armor.
I love these Videos, I was actually surprised to see that there was more things accurate than not here. That said I want to ask what about the super sized statues of Zeus, Poseidon and such?
"This is a game, not a movie", well I have bad news for you about the spartan kick... (amazing video, I loved it
A spartan kick is definitely something you could do in a real fight. Muay thai has its own version of if that you see alot in fights and straight up spartan kicks are taught in the military
They don't send someone flying 15 feet backwards, and if they did, the kicker would also go flying 15 feet backwards. Equal and opposite reactions and what not.
@@ineptjedi3621 thats true, however you can still legit spartan kick someone off their feet.
The first moment I saw the title, I was like, "Aaawwww shiet, Shit's about to go down."
Man, I hope Blue keeps doing the streams though. His are almost the only way I like watching this game
Also, im surprised you didnt talk about the painted statues in this vid, after speaking on them in your AC: Orgins vid
I would love if the next Assassin's Creed game was set in Imperial Rome
The next AC is going to be in the Viking world, the rumor said that on September 20 it would go under the name AC: Ragnarok and you could visit Denmark, Norway, England and probably Ireland or Scotland.
I like to keep the world historically accurate whenever there is a conquest battle on the sea or an island, I always side with Athens and whenever it’s ok the mainland Sparta all the way
Love your videos guys!!
Cool to see you so excited about something :)
My only issue with this game is that it never felt like an AC game. Origins went over how the Assassins started, so what’s their part in it.
Also, the developer stated that they didn’t want to change Kassandra or Alexio’s character because it might people upset. Um... why? Adawale, Connor, Evie, and Adaline all had to deal with the racism and sexism of their times and proved those people wrong. That’s why we liked them. Kassandra would have to deal with being a woman in Ancient Greece while Alexio would have to deal with the after affects of spartan training. That would have been more interesting then a bi-bot running around.
I think you've misunderstood what an AC game IS, my friend.😉 If you think it has to be about an assassin, you'd be wrong. The Assassin's Creed is a creed to fight oppression and control of the people, to keep the freedom of people. And in order to do that, they 'collaborate' (I have no better word for it) with the Isu through time and space, using their technology throughout the ages. It's not 'just' about running around assassinating people. That's just the majority of the gameplay.
+Michael Berthelsen
Ok, so if you think he misunderstands what an AC game is, then how about we ask the actual developers of AC1-Brotherhood what an AC game is. The following is from the Assassin's Creed Bible, a design document created around the time of AC2:
1. Assassin's Creed will always tell the story of the secret war between Assassins and Templars - Odyssey has neither Assassins nor Templars. Or even their predecessors like Origins did.
2. Being an assassin doesn't make the main character a ruthless killer. He kills, but he has principles and never murders innocents. He avoids collateral damage as much as possible - The main character is not an Assassin and the focus on "choice" means that you can break this commandment at will.
3. The war between Assassins and Templars *is the foundation of our Franchise story in the past and present* - Neither the historical story or the moderrn day story in Odyssey features anything relevant on the war between the Assassins and Templars. This commandment also blatantly contradicts your comment.
4. The Assassin should always be agile, socially skilled, unbeatable with a blade, and a stylish bad-ass - While the protagonist is Odyssey is not an Assassin, most of this checks out. Although you are not unmatched with a blade due to the levelling system.
5. Pivotal moments in Human History are the basis of our Franchise. Asssassin's Creed will always take a revisionist approach on real events. We'll use historical gaps to create our story - This one checks out
6. History should always be portrayed as relevant to our core audience, with facts that tie in to present day common knowledge and edgy modern Art Direction - This also checks out for the most part
7. Assassin's Creed is based on Technology - *Nothing is Magical, Everything has a plausible technological explanation* - Odyssey completely goes in the face of this by having magical creatures like Medusa and Sphinxes exist in the world with an extremely weak explanation. Aswell as being able to change the past, which also has no real explanation.
8. Assassin's Creed is about digging in a character's past through their DNA in order to understand what really happened in key historical moments - The fact that you not only choose your character, but what they do flies in the face of this.
9. Since the player relives the deeds of his kin through his DNA, the I.P. cannot be set in the future. DNA of unborn people does not exist - This is thankfully not the case....yet.
10. Assassin's Creed can bend Historical accuracy but cannot create an Uchronia - Well if there's one thing Odyssey does, it's creating a Unchronia.
So in conclusion that's what.....3 of the 10 commandments of the Assassin's Creed Bible that Odyssey blatantly contradicts? Odyssey is not an Assassin's Creed game, anyone who says it is doesn't know what Assassin's Creed actually is supposed to be.
@@marvelfannumber1 You really do live up to your username of 'douchyfanboynumber1', don't you? Do you really expect that a franchise with as many games as AC has should keep the same design document from about 10 years ago? And you'd expect that despite huge developments in audience desires, gameplay mechanic possibilities, graphics capabilities, etc. that AC2 wouldn't feel stale by modern standards. NO document remains the same for long periods of time. Even constitutions are amended to fit modern times. Things change as times and society changes. If you can't accept that things evolve, I feel sorry for you.
And by the way, if you've played the game, you either didn't pay attention to the current content in Odyssey, or you haven't reached it yet. They're literally discussing why they're doing this to stop Astergo, the modern Templars.
marvelfannumber1 your entire argument is based around guidelines from 8 years ago. For a game series that is always adapting, innovating and changing with each new installment. So of course most of those guidelines are not met because they are outdated. Also I hate to break it to you but if they are made by the same company and have the same title then they are in the same Series and therefore is an assassins creed game.
+Michael Berthelsen
Tell me then, how much have acclaimed video game franchises like Mario, like Zelda, like GTA changed during their *decades* of existence? I am not talking about changes in specific gameplay mechanics or dimensions. I am talking about the core of their philosophy, their feel, their tone. The answer is not much.
Sure they innovate, they change things up, but they still stick true to what people loved about the original games. Mario is still about platforming, and is still about saving Peach from Bowser. It might be in 3D now, it might have a bunch of new mechanics, but it sticks true to what it was.
What Assassin's Creed does is the creatively bankrupt version of this. What Assassin's Creed does is what the Sonic franchise has been doing and failing for the past 10 years.
Instead of setting new industry trends by remaining true to what people loved, and making it refreshing, they instead *chase* industry trends. Assassin's Creed is about reliving the past, not about creating it. But since RPGs are hot shit right now, Ubisoft have decided to add choice. They did this not for any creative reason, but because it is trendy right now. Assassin's Creed is not innovating, Assassin's Creed is catching up to other, better games.
Just as how the people who make the Sonic games noticed in 2007 that God of War and Devil May Cry were popular and decided to make one of their games have lengthy beat 'em up segments, despite that having nothing to do with what people liked about Sonic.
There's a difference between sincere innovation and creativity and whoring out in order to chase industry trends. Successful, classic video game franchises do the former, failed ones like Assassin's Creed do the latter.
" if you've played the game, you either didn't pay attention to the current content in Odyssey, or you haven't reached it yet. They're literally discussing why they're doing this to stop Astergo, the modern Templars."
That's what they want you to think, yes. They handwave the "we're doing this to stup duh templurs lul" schtick twice in the entire main story. But this is never elaborated on in the slightest. You never see the Templars in the game and their existence is clearly there just for the sake of it, rather than for an actual creative reason.
Ubisoft don't care about Assassin's Creed as a story anymore, they care about it as a money making platform. The longer it takes for you to realize this, the longer Ubisoft will make shitty, gimmicky games with the Assassin's Creed name slapped on it for marketing. The people who made the good Assassin's Creed games are long gone, they have no story to tell.
I literally have no knowledge of gaming at all but I want to play this game. Do I need a ps4 or something? Are there alternatives? Could someone explain? (sorry if this makes me sound like a 70 yr old grandma)
The game is available on PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC. If you have a Windows computer you'll be able to play it!
You do need a relatively new and powerful PC to play it on, so be sure to check your PC specifications against the requirements.😊
Overly Sarcastic Productions Thank you so much
Daughter of Apollo i like ur username ahahahahah
Suggest Xbox one if you don't want to do for the computer, or to get a game controller or joystick if possible for the computer. Sometimes console gaming is clunky if your not used to it.
You guys have the best job ever, in my eyes.
This game was probably one of the biggest reasons I started learning Greek 😅 What a beautiful game, and I'm in awe of how much effort and respect has been put into this game. Since then, I've learnt so much and there is still SO much to learn about Ancient Greece. TIme to check out your streams :)
But does it make you FEEL like Assassin's Creed?
Yes. Gameplay is all there. Not being named "Assassin" by people is the only change. The Templar's ancestor is there and operate just like them for you to assassinate. First Civilization is more focused in this game than any other game in the series.
Yeah it does
how to play ac odyssey: take the ac part out
@@LeBlobfish2711 ...and add Mario to the front *enter Jump Up, Super Star here*
No, it doesn’t feel like Assassin’s Creed at all. But the game is so awesome and ties into the lore too much to not call it one. It’s still a great game and I’m not gonna shit on it just because of that.
Well. . . holy shit blue, I think you've successfully sold me on my first AC game. this sounds fricken fantastic!
So you're buying it on historical accuracy alone, not researching the quality of the plot, the writing of characters, animations, and polish? Not insulting, just questioning.
Great video, hit the nail right on the head.
I really hope that, with a game during the roman conquest of Egypt and one during the war between Athens and Sparta, they'll make one set during the fall of Rome next. It would be an interesting setting, and they already explored it once already in the comics. With total war Attila currently being the best videogame representation of that period a game with this accuracy would be awesome.
I asked a Greek friend about accents she said they sound Indian. lmao
Medusa was *Sexy* ; so %110 historical accuracy confirmed 👌👌👌
Don't you mean mythological?
are we talking bout the same medusa?
I'm already rock hard baby
Hmmmm....snake tittys!
But medusa turned people into stone because she was ugly....
Did I binge all of blue's streams in one day?
Yes.
this time i heard was RAMMING SPEED
for the conquest i was kinda hoping for something on the lines of strategy like those history strat games
They nailed everything but ASSASSINS CREED
Lol.
Incorrect, they did miss a few details
LOL, yeah I know. My main point is they forget to make an assassin's creed game. They were more focused of making a 300 type of game.
@@THIZZAVELI I guess, but I don't really see a problem with it. Of course it's not Assasins, but the game is still amazing.
Nah you can do an assassin build path and still play assassins creed it’s just not as fun lol.
I really feel that it doesn't matter when a game is good in it's own right. Plus Odyssey explained how the modern world was influenced into being how it is in Assassin's Creed.