Every time you save a life in Shadow of the Erdtree | Elden Ring Lore
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- After years of taking dragon tails for weapons, slaying defenceless npc's, and plunging whole words into darkness, The tarnished has become the hero of the Lands Between. Finally you are "The Good Guy!". In this video we will look at how you save Miquella and Trina, Rescue Radhan, Honour Mohg, Give peace to the Dragon Slayer Igon, lay to rest the long suffering Midra, and more! This video explores a whole range of the Lore from Shadow Of The Erdtree, and how Miyazaki and the team at From Software seem to want to have us feeling better about ourselves by the end of the DLC!
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Hawkshaw.
Some Bonus characters!
- Thiollier and Ansbach for helping them reach their potential
- Fire Knight Queelign and Swordhand of Night Jolán if you grant the Iris of Grace in their quest
- Ancient Dragon Florissax for giving her new purpose after her Lord's nature has become clear
- Moore if you manage to save him
Whether these are good endings depends on your perspective and how you progressed your quest with them.
Is there anyone else you think we helped?
For what it is worth - Hornsent Grandam. As the description for Gourmet Scorpion Stew says: "but those who can distinguish the taste of love are few and
far between."
Ancient Dragon Man finally fulfilled his purpose by being beaten by you.
Queelign took part in literally ethnic cleansing and ambushed us twice, he can go fuck himself, I am giving him the Iris of occultation
Dunno about roofieing Florissax but what do you mean about her "Lord's Nature"?
Placidusax was extremely petty. He made a whole religion just to get back at Bayle's bloodline after Bayle betrayed him and on top of this. He didn't care about those loyal to him as soon as his loyal priestess takes a single night of proper rest he abandoned her. In my opinion caring more about his revenge than the health of those loyal to him@@pillarmenn1936
One interesting thing about Bayle is he doesn’t kill Igon. He crippled him and leaves him alive to suffer, mirroring his own fate.
Probably because Bales a total dick, and I think it makes him hilarious!
Wow, never quite caught that parallel between their conditions.
yep its very interresting. When you look at Bayles Arena and all those flowers in his Arena, represent those that did fail to slay him, but he spared Igon, probaly because (like the Dragon Pristess mentioned reminds Igon on Bayle) he saw himself in him, and gave him the identical wounds as he has. Missing leg, broken Arms etc.
Sry for my bad english but its not my main language.
@@Houseoholiker Your English is better then many native English speakers.
@@Houseoholikerthis is why i imagine igon and bayle equally hate each other, their mirrors and neither like the other
Due to the fact that Mohg got people like Ansbach to follow him, he may not have always acted as batshit insane as when we meet him ingame.
If he managed to lure in some albinaurics without scaring them/pissing them off, he must've been like Ghandi. Funny how we think of things like this only now that he's proven to be innocent in the whole Miquel/Mohglester debacle
@@tarantula_7u863now that would be a kick in the nuts if he's fighting for a better World until his mind got raped by Miguel
@@tarantula_7u863 He’s not innocent at all
I mean "Lord of Blood" isn't exactly the most chill title
Yeah it is possible that the bloody fingers were only born once Mohg was "charmed" by Miquella, assuming he had the most control over him as he was constantly within his reach, i mean we saw how much brain...rotted Malenia was
White Mask Varre too changed with him, while Ansbach seems to have noticed the shift
It's hard to say what were Mohg intentions before all that tho
Speaking of Horses, we saved poor Leonard from rotted Rhadan. Rhadan in dlc is definitely not himself because he cares not for his horse, and in cruel irony, is treat as Miquellas mount
Exactly what I'm thinking. There's no way he was able to stick with Leonard in his insanity but ditch him in his prime form.
Lets also remember that there is a friendly Rotkin we can save with a warming stone. A minor life when compaired to gods, but a life all the same
Based take.
4:23 this line from Freyja along with her decision to stop us from reaching Miquella was what made me so disappointed in her. She could've fought alongside the Ansbach avenging their Lords from such an unfair and unfit fate.
Yeah I lost respect for her then. Also since the Miquellester wanted an age of "peace" where would Radahn be able to warmonger endlessly?
A note about Igon- not only do we restore his warrior spirit and help him get his Vengeance so his soul can be at peace; but we help him to get there. His body is so utterly crippled that he can't move from the Jagged Peak dragons fighting location. He gives us his finger, which I believe is the only npc to do so, so that we might scale the peak and write his sign FOR HIM in Bayle's boss arena.
I love how Hawk is like
“We saved all these people!”
4/5 of the people mentioned we personally kill 💀
i mean you saved them alright
it didn't say they would live
It would be wild if it were revealed that Putrescence were Leonard
Oh sh*t.
Nah
30 seconds in and I lost it at "MaRikA's TlT$"
Have you seen her Elden Mellons? She is... Well equipped.
Every one of those jerks attacked me on sight. So they get the poo poo ending
truly a "i don't wanna save the world if this is how it's gonna be treating me" moment
They know not of the pain and suffering they cause themselves and others
SO MELT IT ALL AWAY
NOT THE POO POO ENDING!
But... you will become the Lord of Dung in the ending...
you truly are the fecal matter enjoyer
I didn’t expect the out of nowhere Malenia slander lmao
It caught me off-guard, too 🤣
She deserves it. Happy to hear
😂😂
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It is pretty accurate, (if pretty jarring lol) the move she pulled on Radahn isn't just something she can go around doing all day
I’m here for it, she is cemented onto fraud watch.
One thing about Midra’s fight that people overlook is that, if you lose, Midra goes back to his state of eternal torment, and you have to fight him as a normal man again. That means there is no world where we turn him into the lord of Frenzied Flame, lose, and then leave the world to its fate.
Or that means he kills tarnished permanently that Marika has to do some time bending to restore the tarnished.
What the other guy said, except I think at some points we can just chock it up to video game logic. Wouldn't want to end the game just because you lost to one of the harder bosses in the games and he burns the world to chaos.
That's a missed opportunity. Imagine losing to midra and every time he moved closer and closer to enir-ilim and can effectively replace the final boss.
And the whole shadowrealm becomes fire.
@@ITBEurgava would break the normal experience of the dlc tho for a lot of people, from does not like to intrude upon the ntended experience
@@ITBEurgava This suggestion has the same energy as people saying dying at Maliketh's second phase should delete your save file.
I am a nerd that refuses to believe Radahn would let Miquella have such control over his future even if it meant giving him a chance for a true battle.
I mean, Miquella is Empyrean and every Empyrean is massively more powerful than any demigod could hope to be.
In the phase two cutscene we literally see radahns red aura get supressed by miquellas gold light
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Malenia is an Empyrean. she had to bloom and knock herself out to not even kill Radahn.
Empyreans definitely aren't stronger than other demigods by default
@@srmelancia3523 Honestly I think the red aura is supposed to be Mohg's soul resurfacing since he's heavily associated with that red glow when he casts bloodflame
I mean, Radahn _literally_ froze the stars in the sky to stop them from causing his own fate from coming to pass, so he basically did literally everything within his power to hold that off - and kept all of that in place even after Malenia showed up to try to force him to surrender to her brother, battled him to a standstill, and obliterated all of Caelid with Scarlet Rot. The only reason that he had to be forced to relinquish that hold over the stars was in order to open the path to the Fingerslayer Blade in Nokron to allow Ranni's fate to come to pass, so that she can take Marika's place and bring about the Age of the Stars - _which will prevent Miquella from ascending._
All of the Carians were overwhelmingly prepared and went as far as they could possibly to prevent being overcome by the Erdtree. Ranni entrusted Rykard with the Blasphemous Claw so that he could confront Malekith, and rather than surrender against Leyndell from Volcano Manor he fed himself to the Serpent-God in permanent blasphemy rather than fall against them. Ranni stole Destined Death and slew her own flesh to escape the Two Fingers' control until the time was right where she had the Tarnished's assistance in bringing about the necessary steps in her journey on the Dark Path.
The design of the Miquellan Knight sword is a Carian Knight sword with its Glintstone replaced by Amber, exactly like how Miquella works to control Radahn, while Rellana is entranced by the Amber Egg with the form of Miquella's unborn rune within it that Radahn gave her to keep her from turning against Leyndell despite his betrayal, he still controlled her with his love sealed in amber. What's even more telling about this is that Seluvis attempts to make Ranni a puppet that he can control by using a shard of Amber Starlight that fell to earth at a statue of Miquella in the Altus Plateau.
The Starlight Shards recover FP, but were used in potions by the inhabitants of the Eternal City in order to control people like puppets. As Miquella's other half, St. Trina's Lulling Branch regenerates FP and causes people to drift to sleep, and imbibing her nectar is how you fall into a slumber that she controls. Everything points to that Amber Starlight Shard being a means to forcible place Ranni under control in the same way Miquella does by stealing your heart... - but even if you go through with Seluvis' scheme, Ranni is fully prepared to prevent any attempt at that type of control over her. Post-ascension in place of Marika, she would also likely be able to sever Miquella's control over her brother as well, had the events in the Land of Shadow still come to pass.
It all seems like both of her brothers went as far as possible to ensure that their Empyrean sister would have a path to ascension, and in doing so - they were both willing to give themselves in to controlling & manipulative relationships that are antithetical to what the Age of Stars ending represents - because they knew that it would finally free them from that fate of stars being manipulated by others, and to allow the stars to guide their fate without the influence of another.
Have I given yall my Marika is the Spirit Tuner that Hewg is indebted to and that Roderika is a numen theory? Basically because we know they're shrine maidens, the Shamans were likely the original spirit tuners and given that Hewg talks about the sheer terror of her, I bet he's talking about Marika's revenge on the Hornsent. Now why does that say taht Roderika is numen? Because you have a young, beautiful, blonde, well endowed young women who's gifted in the spiritual arts but never practised it. who has the same hue in her eyes as said spirit tuner now, take that same girl and raise her in the culture of spirit tuning (shamanism) and I can see why people thought the shamans/Marika were divine. The Numen/Shamans came to the lands between on those big stone ships down in the ceruelian coasts due to them coming from outside the lands between and guess who else came by ship? Roderika who couldn't see her own guidance because Marika hated the Golden Order all along after figuring out that Metyr was broken.
It seems actually like a genuine part of the story that a fair few people know already and has been in other videos.
Hewg being a slave of the Roundtable/Marika(?) also makes a lot more sense when you consider the purge and prosecution that was brought upon the Hornsent. He/the Misbegotten sure seem to be descendants of them based off visuals alone.
That roderika is a numen, is a sound idea.
I mean, numen is one possible preset races for the player tarnished, so I don't think being one have a super special meaning.
@@masteroak9724 it kinda does though. Numen/Shamans were a persecuted people that got horrible things done to them in the now shadow lands.
the tarnished's origin doesn't really matter cuz we can even be a night folk. NPCs, however would have some lore implications if we know their race alongside their abilities.
just like how we learn that the black knives were all Numen women. what else are the Numen women? the women who became those meat blobs in the jars. what does this imply?
idk. I haven't had the time to connect that far
I always assume I'm the bad guy and a pillager in these games. Morgott was right about us. Edit: Great video. Still not sure about the Tarnished place in the world but you make some compelling arguments.
Hard to pillage a destroyed world woudlnt you say?
@meatballdivino8955 I hear ya, but we still invade fortresses and take souls/remembrances by force so that would qualify as pillaging to me.
@@mackdontpayforstrange3207 Aye, suppose it comes down to if we think the crimes are justified, defently and interesting thing to ponder
@@mackdontpayforstrange3207
Well, I think this case makes a bit more sense.
The only reason we have come back (along with all of the Tarnished) is because the Demi gods have all selfishly taken pieces of the Elden Ring and hidden away effectively creating a stalemate.
Effectively, the key to fixing the entire world is shattered into several pieces with none of the Demi gods actually finishing the task for one reason or another. So… we’re basically coming in to their lane and saying, “Yo, if you don’t fucking fix this shit, I’ll do it myself.”
They’re all selfishly holding onto their pieces and fighting amongst each other instead of giving a shit about the world that is falling apart in front of them.
wish there was an ending where we hand the great runes to Morgott and help him become Elden Lord. Not realistic, but a man can dream
Trina is found after two crosses: one for his "doubts and vacillation," and one for his "love". Which.. makes me wonder. Is she one of these? The nectarblood burgeon found near the doubts implies she'd be that one. But the cross for his love is found even deeper in, nearer to Trina.
It's likely both. Given that Saint Trina tells us directly to kill Miquella as a mercy, I would describe that as both an act of doubt and love in a way.
The way I see it, it's probably a two-part act. He needed to remove his doubts in order find the mental resolve to remove his love, and removing his love is what caused Saint Trina to split from him.
definitely both. Trina bled in both places, which means Miquella abandoned parts of her in both locations. hell, her blood is much more common after the "love" cross.
so either Miquella tore out Trina entirely at that place and dragged her to kick her down the pit or she had to stagger her way down that place to finally fall into the pit and hide inside a cave
If I remember correctly, the st Trina npc we find is missing more than half of her body inside that flower/cradle/thing
Has anyone mentioned the soreseals being eyes and messmer removing his eye during the cutscene and calling it a seal?
"Solemn duty weighs upon the one beholden; not unlike a gnawing curse from which there is no deliverance"
quite literally Messmer to a T. his duty is to play the role of the villain as the perpetrator of the genocide and eternal war so that Marika may play her part as a symbol of order with her dark past hidden away.
the duty gnaws away at him like a curse as he's abandoned in the shadow realm for eons. and finally when he gets a sign of Marika, it's the tarnished blessed by his own mother. we came to kill him.
for all he's done for her all these years, what does he get? she sends a warrior to put him down in a dark corner of a castle where no one would know
"Just like when she fights us, she cheats." Lmao xD
Point of order, when you kill Blaidd as part of Ranni's questline, he has been driven insane by the Fingers machinations, thus why he attacks you.
oh it's worse. he's been driven insane because of his internal struggle. his wits and decision to go against the fingers directly contradicting his very reason for existence breaks his mind and he becomes a witless savage beast like the baleful shadow
@@paracame8162a savage beast that will anyone on sight... Except Ranni. Stil, he clings on to her and decides to protect her, even when she isn't in the tower anymore.
Even rabid, he refuses to harm his owner.
Truly a good doggo.
finally someone else who recognizes the kindness death can be
Yeah. I agree.
yeah there are many worse fates than death
Omg that Radahn part is a perfect parallel of Godfrey, Serosh preventing him from being a true warrior
It is said he was never to be found when he won against everything and his eyes were no longer invigorated as he was no longer reguired to fight someone with his same power level
It's hard to say what he was doing during that time but it is entirely possible he had the best time of his life fighting us as Hoarax Loux once more
The mark of a true lord indeed
What if the Putrescent Knight is Radahns steed Leonard? That would explain why its moveset is so similar to starscourge radahn
Just like how Miquella discarded his love and turned into St. Trina, Radahn was forced to discard his beloved steed, which then contorted into the Putrescent Knight.
I really appreciate this perspective. We're not running through the lands between and the lands of shadow wantonly slaughtering. (Well, we the player are. But the CHARACTER isn't.) We're literally putting the souls of the damned to rest.
We become the hero of the Lands Between. A Lord of men, not gods, for even Kindly Miquella is saved by such a Lord.
Is that even possible in the game. Every ending requires some sort of god ruling or enforcing an order. I know it’s Anasbach’s quote, but I think it’s just factually wrong.
@@HeraldingHistorian the perfect order ending creates a world not dictated by gods with the Elden Ring being solely in our hands. Ranni's ending creates a world not dictated by gods nor kings
Mohg is actually the only demigod that doesn't leave something behind after their defeat. I never noticed it, but him just poofing so completely after defeat makes a lot of sense.
I just had thought! When Miquela comes back, he has a golden aspect and clings to the back of Consort Radahn/Mohg... At the elden throne, Serosh has a golden aspect and is clinging to the back of (Consort?) Godfry/Hoarah Loux. Now ask yourself where the beastmen came from
Wtf are you cooking man I know it's not what I think it is
Wait what are you cooking pls explain i love new schizo theories
Wait...
Godfrey screwed a furry and made a bunch of semi furry folk 😳 .lore_theory
It would be insane if there was a 3rd phase where Radahn got freed from Miquella's charm and then broke Miquella's neck like Godfrey did to Serosh. Radahn would be like, "I now fight, not as a Consort, but for what I am: the Conqueror of the Stars, Radahn!"
Not sure why this didn’t show up on my subscriptions page. How DARE CZcams try to keep this from me!
The radahn in DLC is not prime radahn, its beyond him. Moghs body + radahns soul + miquella buffing him.
Yeah, I was never big on the idea that we, and any and every attempt at righting the world by fixing it, are always doomed to fail/are always evil because you have to kill a few people to roll the credits/etc.
It would be nice if we had an explicit path for pacifism, but, unfortunately (or not), ER isn’t Undertale. There’s very little room for “holier than thou” in this setting when it comes to any ideology. The closest thing we have to that, Miquella’s Age, is something we don’t have the option to bring about, even if we want it.
If “one death is one too many in the name of peace”, then not even Miquella would satisfy you. Categorically, his age as is has a minimum cost of one soul-Mohg’s, forsaken, without implication of being restored.
Mogh deserves it for what Varre did to your character maiden and all other things he did
Not for nothing but he's also the reason Caelid was nuked
@@RavenGamingOverLord Well varre did act out of his own violition, Mogh never responded to him and that makes me wonder.
Wait, worldwide brainwashing and the threat of omnipotent overwhelming violence (Radahn) is the LEAST destructive age?
Why do you think Miquella is riding Radahn's shoulders? Because he wants the Avatar of War to invite people to tea parties?
There's genocides just over the horizon for anyone who disagrees with the Age of Compassion... which means that the Age of Compassion is just an impossible, incoherent paradox.
That's why Miquella is a perpetual child. Because only a child would fail to see the catch-22 in that logic, and Miquella wants to base an Age on it.
@@rclaws3230 Well he needs strong lord to kill those that would want to overthrow him with force to establish their own over majority.
Or enemies worse than his age of compassion that would invade his people and having lord like Radahann would definitely be scary to those who dare to take on by force.
No age is safe from those who want to impose their own ideas with force.
Your Philosophical videos are 1000x better, pure gold
Igon is 100% without a doubt my favorite character in any FromSoft game.
He caught my attention with his moaning about pain on the way to Jagged Peak, but I thought his second introduction was perfect.
Most people would see those two drakes in combat and stop to fight them not even realizing that Igon is there at all. I certainly didn’t notice him at all until after slaying the two of them and hearing his hearty laugh ring out.
His conviction and desperation for me to summon him in the fight made me break my “no summons” rule. I do a general “anything goes as long as I’m having fun” play through of FromSoft games before doing RP or challenge runs.
In this instance, my general run character was tied up waiting for my wife to have some free time so I started the DLC again with my role playing character who was a cold as ice assassin who refused to use any form of help- mainly because she didn’t want to be known or noticed.
When I play an RP character, I really try to feel like I’m that person. Cold as ice. Uncaring. But Igon’s bravado made me second guess that persona. For one, he was missing limbs and dying. He would live long enough to tell anybody where or who I was (role playing remember). I felt no need to slay him for witnessing me, but I also felt like my character would have understood him. His heart to heart and his straightforward discussion of summoning him to fight Bayle were perfect that I think even the coldest of assassins would have felt a bit of common ground with him. Slaying their target.
So I summoned him to his fight vowing to help him succeed and my god his voice lines in combat. I just was like, “YES! This is a true warrior. This is the first NPC I haven’t felt like was this useless waste of space. Let’s go!”
10/10 will always summon him to fight Bayle no matter what.
Regarding Midra, the spine of the frenzy torch could very well be from a previous amd failed project of Nanaya. As for Midra’s soul resting in peace, keep in mind frenzy flame has the power to permanently burn away souls even in the world bereft of death, hence why Torrent doesn’t dare to appear in the abyssal woods. I doubt Midra got to rest in peace as much as I doubt he had a child with Nanaya and as much as I doubt Nanaya actually loving Midra rather than grooming him as a lord of frenzy
'We are the bad guys and we only kill people, or do we? Lets list the lives we save.'
Life 1. Guy we save by killing him
Life 2. Guy we save by killing him
Life 3. Guy we save by killing him
Life 4. Guy we save by killing him
Life 5. Guy we save by killing him
Life 6. Guy we save by killing him
Truth be told, I absolutely don't mind being the "bad guy" in a world populated and ruled by murderous assholes.
This was so good. I love how you did show how much Miquella sacrificed. I made a voting poll after the dlc on who was more wrong Mohg or Miquella and it was 85%+ positive on Mohg. You really put into the fact even though Miquella end goal wouldn’t be organic and true he still tried all of this out of genuine compassion. Beautiful video.
0:36 “Are we the baddies?🤔😂
Thank you for being the first lore channel I’ve watched to interpret Midra and Nanaya correctly! The absolute whiffing on what madness is and how this family unit encounters it by others has been driving me to…madness 😂
In the Lands Between, things have room to get worse. In the Land of Shadow, things are as bad as they can possibly get. There's no way to go but up.
This video was just an excuse to play "CURSE YOU BAYYLLEEE"
Man Igons voice lines after killing bayle brings a tear to my eye
I appreciate the Fire Emblem music.
It should also be said that St. Trina is stated to be the embodiment of Miqualla's love. Thats why he has to be stopped in the end, as compassion without love is simply gentle tyrany.
Literally, all of these people died
dont think blud knows what "Saving a life" means
"Only one attack"
Actually, Consort Radahn has at least one other attack from Mohg - Blood Tax, where he thrusts his sword forward while it is wreathed in bloodflame.
That's a lot of lives being saved by killing people lol
"70% accurate, as usual, Morty."
Anyone who kills Boggart is evil, Crab and Prawn Bro did nothing wrong. Well...nothing too wrong. He did steal Rya's necklace but that's easy enough to forgive for a friend and infinite supplies of Physical Defense enhancing crab and prawn. He's also such a bro that he squares up with a Magma Wyrm for you if summon him with nothing but some torn rags, a metal mask, and some big old metal ball punching gloves.
I think Midra and Nanaya's child, due to the size of the spine, was born and was a couple years old. So my theory is that the hornsent killed their child. I also think the frenzy within it is naturally born.
I use the ancestral horn. I made a hat from one of their worshipers too.
Whatever they paid the VA for Igon... it wasn't enough, and I think we should petition to get it doubled after the fact. XD
I hadn’t realized until you said the Putrescent Knight was a horse, but could it also be the horse Miquella is seen riding in that one image I wonder?
"did you really need to kill..." Me: but i wanted the cool sword im never gonna use because it needs 85 int and 30 dex and im using a str/faith build
Igon and timmys dad would get along amazingly
I disagree with your initial assessment. Almost every single enemy / boss is out for the player's blood upon first contact. Dragonlord Placidusax chooses to descend and attack us, the Ancestor Spirit does as well. Even Rennala helps her students during their assault on the Tarnished. So while yes it might be evil to kill the defenseless undead, or random characters, the demise of almost every boss / enemy is brought on by themselves.
9:52 Aye yo Lyon's theme from Fire Emblem played?
This is the comment I was looking for. I knew it sounded familiar but I couldn't put my finger on what it was. Thank you
@@sanddin7218 I gotchu homie 🫡
No, I'm the lord of frenzy
is it truly prime radahn if he fights without leonard?
"The Flame of Frenzy burns even spirits." In my read, Midra dies when he becomes Lord of Frenzied Flame, and so does his soul, charred to nothing. The boss fight is against his corpse. There's no peace for him. There is nothing.
The same is probably true of us in the frenzy ending.
This dlc gives us main character syndrome.
Resident evil 6 theme gave me whiplash 😂
CURSE YOU BAAAAYLE!
>list of times you save life
>they die
???
6:26 Edge, O Edge
Behold, lore!
Man, saving people sure does frequently involve them dying.
I'm not sure killing someone counts as saving their life.
What a positive outlook on a Fromsoft game. I like the change of view :]
Thanks for the video! Much enjoyed! Well... we may end up as the hero of the lands between, but what is their fate while the Erdtree endlessly burns? there are some open questions to be remain...
Maryrity is realizing we are 100% the villain in Elden Ring. We're just some dude that woke up in a strange land, got told the throne was empty, so we killed everything in our path, and ruined almost every life we interacted with
We rise
CONJURE YOUR PAST! WHEN FEAR WAS STILL FOREIGN TO YE!
Me helping a few dudes before becoming the lord of frenzied flame:
You're right about redahn and needing that last fight
miquellas order is absolutely not what redahn wants so
There seems like there would be no war in miquellas gentler world
It's very ironic that Miquella wants to compel and force his way to a kinder world through power?!???
wtf ❤
Great video man
Let me know what you think about my theory on godwyn
You can tell me privately or or a comment
Igon is best waifu, change my mind.
Great video Hawk 👍
Just got back from the back of shadow keep. I had no eathly buissness being back there, but i wound up k**ling two crippled people and stole a pair of pants. I wound up finding 5 scadu tree fragments that i found next to a cool cup, so that's a score.
im not a hero.
im just here to devour gods. as wise ryckard wanted. togethaa with his sword.
I disagree with your Radahn analysis. Prime Radahn would have his horse, and his own body. Nowhere in the game does it say this is Prime Radahn. It says Consort Radahn. His will is completely under Miquella's control.
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_me looking up form power smashing white mask Varre with a rusty anchor_
we can also save nepheli after she gets depressed upon learning about the albinauric genocide and being cast out by her shitass adopted father. boc and roderika as well thrive and find new meaning on life after meeting us
I'm so sorry, Mogh💔
It's unfortunate than the worst ending where you destroy the world is the only one where you save Meli Meli.
if you complete Millicent’s quest by beating her sisters you get the unalloyed gold needle which after the melania fight you can interact with her “bloom” in the arena you get miquila’s needle which when used in placidusaxes arena quells the frenzy allowing you to have a regular ending without sacrificing melina
I'm not going to pretend that Miquella is a saint, he did commit several atrocities and is essentially planning to lobotomize the world into being nice, but despite all the evil things he’s done his end goal is still a way lesser evil than all the other horrible things that have been going on in the Lands Between and the Land of Shadows.
Is that the resident evil 6 menu theme I hear?
good stuff!
Question about Thollier and Ansbach, when they die at the end, do they die for good? I also noticed Ansbach had something glowing near him, and wondered if it's remnants of his soul..
I’m pretty sure that’s just his seal, for casting his incantations
Alternatively if you want to be on some hopium maybe it’s a warming stone and he’s alive, but unconscious
@@arcion5038 T_T I'll take the latter all day, everyday. My sleeping knight just needed to rest.
I love your videos man, thanks so much for the great content! But I'm not so sure we're the heroes. Have you seen the video "Miquella is the HERO of Elden Ring" by Scum Mage Infra? In the real world I agree free will is precious, but in the world of ER....
>Radahn cope
Look, Malenia won
I really love your conted, but i dont agree to almost all things in this video.
Its still very enjoyable to watch, the Dialoge of the characters are very well implemented and - as always - you get the intended feelings across very well.
But... Im... really devestated, that even Hawkshaw thinks, killing Miquella is the right thing to do.
In my opinion, there was never s character like Miquella in any souls game. He sacrificed everything, did everything he could, showed nothing but compassion, to build a new age. And we kill him, as if any ending we can create at the end of the game could be equal to an "age of compassion".
Ansbach is one of the coolest characters ever, and St. Trinas Quest very engaging. But those two made the community hate on Miquella.
Somehow war loving, kind hearted, mightiest of the demigods Radahn is seen as nothing but a victim. If he was simply charmed, why was there a pact in the first place? Why would Freya not call Miquella out, instead of defending him?Radahn is literally living his dream: becoming like his idols.
Mogh is pittied, even though he build up a blood cult. Ansbach is amazing, but to become a member of Moghgywn, you got to soak cloth in a maidens blood. These guys are mad. And of course Mogh was used - there was no other way into the shadowlands and to revive Radahn. Should Miquella wait around for someone to sacrafice himself willingly? Arguably Mogh could have even consented to this, as blood offerings to Miquella seemed to be practised under his rule. So its simply his time to sacrifice himself.
All the characters Miquella charmed, still like him, after the charm is broken. Even Ansbach calls out to him, when you kill him with Leda, saying he failed him. Hornsents Dialoge is also very telling, after the charm.
In my opinion, this shows, that Miquella doesnt abuse his power.
Poor Miquella endured the pain of stripping his flesh, his possesive (deadly, envious) love, his power... everything. Still, infront of the gate, he had to strip his fear, as he knew, what cruel fate awaited him.
He did it anyway... for his sister, the people of the lands between, for us.
And as we face him, he offers us companionship. "Heat stolen" being written in a similar color to the victory screen.
At the end of the dlc, we are no hero. We are a conqueror. Killing our "competition". Because Miquella dared to choose a nicer lord, than us.
This is a totally valid interpretation, but I'm baffled by your framing of it as if it's the only one in a story as vague as this. It's just as valid (moreso in my opinion) to see Miqualla as something more sinister. How do you think he's going to make the world gentler and kinder? It seems likely the plan is to charm the world, to remove people's free will. He's even shed his own sense of love for others so that he can do it more easily because he knows it's wrong. He plans to violate people in the most intimate way imaginable, and has already done so to his family.
EDIT I think the clearest example is the detail that Radahn is inhabiting Moghs corpse. This detail exists to signpost that Miqualla does not respect autonomy. To avoid physical violence, he will violate your soul.
You are of course right - its probably more a matter of interpretation, than fact.
My framing of course tried to strengthen my point. ^^'
The interpretation to see Miquella in a more brighter light is not so popular, so i tried to get my point across.
Never the less - the whole thing - especially the thing with Moghs corpse - is messed up. I agree :D
@@dozencatfish1667 Yeah.. if Gold is order then Unalloyed Gold is pure order, aka determinism, aka no free will. Fascism is an order that is the closest parallel to unalloyed gold.
An understandable concern.
I think "pure order" as you describe it could be archievee by the goldmask ending.
The reason i dont think, that Miquells will use his abilities to take the free will of everyone is... that, in my opinion, there are not that many good examples for it.
Lets say he charmed someone, to the point that s/he would be nothing but a slave to his will.
Radahn, Mogh could be examples for that, as Hawkshaw nicely shown.
But ... we dont know for sure.
Mogh could be into sacrificing himself for the cause (blood offerings were a theme in his cult), and Radahn could have consented.
In Ansbach case, we can be sure. He wanted to kill Miquella, but was instead charmed and put into servitude.
Ansbach was of course afraid of Miquella, but he didnt seek revenge or something like that. He only helps in the endfight, if you give him the scroll and he is honourbound to free Moghs corpse.
But i think its very telling that, he himself... seems to keep doing, what he already did under the charm. Seemingly distancing himself from bloodshed, and embarcing the path of the wise.
Hornsent as well, seems to still seek revenge under the charm, but was able to see the "greys" in the world and ally himself to us.
It seems to me, that it is entirely possible, that Miquellas charm, simply dims ones dark urges.
And makes it harder to attack Miquella or his allies.
Of course, we all know the use of the bewitching branch. That stsnds opposed to this interpretation of mine. ^^'
I'm trying to figure out how valid this interpretation is.
And which course of action would be best for our tarnished.
What annoys me is the lack of information given if we get our heart stolen. Especially the fact that the fight just gets reset is kind of irritating.
There are also some things that don't really make sense to me.
Radahn agreeing to be consort conflicts with the war part of malenias and radahns confrontation. (the duel itself could well have been part of the vow)
Why would miquella allow his followers to sacrifice themselves against us? The worst thing about that is that we would not even be allowed audience with him. He straight up sacrifices his followers for nothing. I guess we could blame this on Leda.
It also bothers me that the first thing that happens to us, as we enter the arena, is getting attacked by Radahn. No intention of handling the conflict peacefully shown. That's why miquellas embrace feels much more like a mind control thing and not an actual peace offer.
To me it feels like miquella chose a fight where he could get a stalemate at best.
What makes all this more difficult is the ambiguity of the endings (specifically age of order and age of stars).
Even who grants us grace and thus makes us undefeatable isn't fully clear. I'm currently assuming it's the Greater Will because grace can revive one killed by destined death and/or frenzied flame. Grace also guides us to ranni and by extension her ending, implying whoever is behind grace is fine with the age of stars.
That would imply the GW has pretty much decided it wants us on the throne and miquella is destined to fail.
From that logic all endings would be GW approved except miquellas age of compassion. This either paints the GW or miquella as quite evil and/or ignorant.
Nah. I've been sent to put the old world to rest. Imma do it right.
Love this video honestly
But it's not really true that we are anymore a hero then in the base game
We are still pawns of then greater will
I fate that no ones escapes
You're right about redahn this is the only way to save redahn
But Igon , his fate is sealed with bayle
He is completely insane and obsessed w bayle
There is no life for him outside of bayle
He is the games captain ahab
And bayle is his mobey dick 😮 so no salvation for poor igon
Also, there is no good end for Leonard
As the putrefacted knight is redahns old decaying body
That without redahns soul continues to defend and protect what is good bc this is what redahn would want to defend about Miquella
The living side
He is defending at Trina
Like godwyns body
Godwyns living life and who he was
Was some that would try to fix things in the world
His body is carrying out what godwyn would do
The world desperately needed death back
So godwyns body is becoming death to fix the world
Godwyns body only grew with Godwyns so it would only have the imprint of the life Godwyn lead
Ending the war by becoming friends
Finally yes fulfilling the kindness at Trina asks for is a kindness to Miquella
As being a god like for Marika would become a prison
We are the villain
Manaan outro ❤
I have no sympathy for killing any boss in this game cuz they're like three times my size and attack me first
you break into their house. renalla is catatonic with depression
This is a really good video, and I know this is a nitpick, but it’s a pet peeve of mine so whatever. It’s really annoying how every other character using their abilities is “fair”, Radahn can use gravity magic, Renalla is all magic, Morgott uses his weird omen blood thing, etc. But as soon as Melania uses her rot magic, she’s “cheating”, it’s not honourable, etc. Idk just rubs me the wrong way
i agree on everything except radahn. he’s a blood hungry monster who lives to kill, not exactly a hero.
Yeah nah only truly compassionate ending is the tranquility of frenzy flame
MAY CHAOS RULE THE WORLD