Reviewing Dragon Ball Super's Best & Worst Animated Episode

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  • In the last edition of this series, we looked over Dragon Ball Z's best and worst animated episode. However today, let's look over its sequel, Dragon Ball Super, and go over the names of the talented animators behind it such as Ken Otsuka, Naotoshi Shida, Futoshi Higashide, and many more!
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Komentáře • 589

  • @forgottenrelics1197
    @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 měsíci +16

    Update - 5:13 - 5:35 has just been confirmed to be the work of Toshiyuki Kanno by the director Nakamura himself
    6:43 is someone else
    Tweet - twitter.com/ryotanakamura0/status/1773849854172860477

  • @j04370859
    @j04370859 Před 2 lety +1846

    Fun fact, the worst looking episode of Z, GT, and Super, all have Frieza in it. 😆

    • @daykuohtwo8422
      @daykuohtwo8422 Před 2 lety +414

      I guess Frieza's the director of those episodes lol

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 Před 2 lety +79

      Agreed freeza saga always had some bad animated episodes.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +54

      @@Waqas_Khan02 Only the one's, done by Yukio Ebisawa.

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 Před 2 lety +25

      @@j04370859 and masayuki uchiyama

    • @El_Mince
      @El_Mince Před rokem +7

      @@Waqas_Khan02 Uchiyama episodes had some good animation from Shida and Ohara at least

  • @Rockden
    @Rockden Před 2 lety +2343

    Thank you, it's so refreshing to see someone who knows what he's talking about instead of a generic "dbs bad, dbz good"

    • @Kitsune986
      @Kitsune986 Před 2 lety +258

      Something I genuinely struggle to understand is how people refuse to give credit where it's due. There's this """""review""""" of DBS: Broly on YT and the best thing he had to say about its animation was "It looks pretty good...but only sometimes."
      Then he proceeded to cherry pick screenshots from the fusion dance scene and showed zero actual animation from there or anywhere else IIRC. He did say he liked how the animation was more fluid than most of the anime, but you could tell he was essentially saying "It looks good by DBS standards."
      Then you get people to this day who are like "Not even the animators actually cared about the animation or tried to make it look good, lol!" I think that pisses me off more than anything because one, I feel like it should be common knowledge that DBS had a horrible schedule and they 100% did their absolute best and two, it's just insulting to any and all animators in general

    • @Rockden
      @Rockden Před 2 lety +87

      @@Kitsune986 Unfortunately it seems not many people know about Super's schedule, they just look at the first arcs' animation and go "yeah, everything about Super is garbage, even tho I haven't actually seen it myself or done any research into it"
      Also, I have seen a lot of people around that for some reason, as you said, just wanna see pretty drawings, ignoring everything about animation; the same people that praise the anime adaptation of Record of Ragnarok, probably.
      I'm not trying to be rude to these people, you like what you like and everything is subjective, but PLEASE, don't talk about "bad animation" just because an anime has unique or streamlined art (I've seen this A LOT with Tate's fusion scene in Broly and Naruto vs. Pain in Shippuden)!

    • @Rockden
      @Rockden Před 2 lety +26

      @@Ruldolphmaker Yes! He's awesome :) He's the reason I like anime animation so much! Everytime a new Super episode dropped I was hyped to watch his new breakdown lol

    • @TheeOneTheeOnli
      @TheeOneTheeOnli Před 2 lety +5

      When ever me and my friend talk about dragon ball my friend is like “ dbs animation is worse than dbza popo”

    • @SUNGJINWOOTHESHADOWMONARCH0
      @SUNGJINWOOTHESHADOWMONARCH0 Před 2 lety +2

      Dragon ball in whole is the worst shonen

  • @Cbas619
    @Cbas619 Před 2 lety +1049

    I hope DBS comes back with a healthy production schedule. I wouldn't expect "sakuga" every episode but at least have the damn characters on model!!!

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Před 2 lety +119

      Yeah people who complained about the animation were right about it being poor but some of them have went as far as saying they should be fired for it. They don't understand or don't care that dbs was incredibly rushed in the beginning.

    • @Prodigy396
      @Prodigy396 Před 2 lety +6

      Why not expect that? It brings in billion+ a year.

    • @salvadorvega3805
      @salvadorvega3805 Před 2 lety +8

      I'm hoping that they reel in One Piece and give it a small break/hiatus and then DBS comes in with the same animation style as Wano.

    • @bootybandit9245
      @bootybandit9245 Před 2 lety +1

      @@IamJay02 Lex???? Is that you??

    • @mnam5822
      @mnam5822 Před 2 lety +1

      @Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha so u mean u want to see dragon with a darker theme ? that might be hard due to dragon ball story is now just trying to stay alive lol

  • @nobafan7515
    @nobafan7515 Před 2 lety +665

    I'm glad you addressed why ep 5 wouldn't be worst animated. Off model isn't the same as a lack of clear motion.

    • @over6124
      @over6124 Před rokem +27

      Yeah i hate when people think bad animation is the same as off model,and sometimes u need off model for an animation to look smooth,this guy knows what he is talking about

    • @nobafan7515
      @nobafan7515 Před rokem +1

      @@over6124 not to mention that the circumstances were to blame, not the lack of effort in the case of ep 5.

    • @kbk489
      @kbk489 Před rokem +4

      they don't understand that random pictures of bad art doesn't make the animation bad

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 Před 2 lety +901

    Dragon Ball Super managed to go from having some of the most poorly animated episodes in the beginning to having some of the best in the end of it's run is something to be respected.

    • @AngryMax
      @AngryMax Před 2 lety +28

      @@burst2_ jesus. chill tf out lmao

    • @Xeno574
      @Xeno574 Před 2 lety +46

      @@burst2_ Typical Internet children complaining about the smallest of things

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 Před 2 lety +23

      @@Xeno574 Yeah, all I said that it's something to be respected given what the staff went through at the beginning.

    • @heitorzincleiton5071
      @heitorzincleiton5071 Před 2 lety +13

      @@mechajay3358 what he said?

    • @CrossfireTheory
      @CrossfireTheory Před 2 lety +5

      Goku UI vs Kefla 🔥

  • @jasonone8726
    @jasonone8726 Před rokem +31

    2:58 I really wish they had kept the fire arena during the battle. It would've been a unique visual evironment.

    • @AChimp196
      @AChimp196 Před rokem +6

      True. It looks like they're in Hell.

  • @Milkra
    @Milkra Před rokem +35

    It’s so refreshing to see someone who actually knows something about animation talk about animation

  • @meherali2942
    @meherali2942 Před 2 lety +195

    Ebisawa always mad me mad when I was a kid as I didn't understand why the art style changes so much after an episode and my parents used to ask why am I sad or angry and I usually said you wont get it despite my father being an artist.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +74

      Yeah haha I'll never forget when I was first watching Z and I came to Ebisawas section in ep 51 of when Vegeta was talking to the Namekians, I was so confused as to why the art style completely changed, now I know... Although he could draw some goofy expressions which always give me a laugh so I appreciate him for that lol.

    • @meherali2942
      @meherali2942 Před 2 lety +14

      @@forgottenrelics1197 Same, now as a teen

  • @DeanAmx
    @DeanAmx Před 2 lety +124

    Whats weird is why they didnt just use keyframes from the movie. Boruto did that for the movie retelling in the series.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +50

      Very odd indeed

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 Před 2 lety +30

      Demon Slayer also did with their recent tv series by using the animation from the movie. It would've made more sense the use it in Super given their poor scheduling.

    • @nicograms
      @nicograms Před 2 lety +32

      @@mechajay3358 Demon Slayer is a different case. They simply played the movie divided into 6 episodes with a few new cuts and music.

    • @derock4art608
      @derock4art608 Před 2 lety +13

      It would have fixed the production schedule at least a little bit. Strange eh!

    • @Yuricorru
      @Yuricorru Před 2 lety +4

      @@nicograms not really there was a lot of redrawn frames and animations along with the new prequel episode. It just looked pretty similar to the movies’ animation which kinda says how great the animators are

  • @bananavinegar6699
    @bananavinegar6699 Před 2 lety +13

    You know the animators slept when the animation is good

  • @JuanFlores-gs7uu
    @JuanFlores-gs7uu Před 2 lety +19

    Episode 130 literally gives me chills. One of my favorite episodes in dragon ball as a whole

  • @Esperanto2
    @Esperanto2 Před 2 lety +76

    13:45 Ain’t no way it was so bad freeza just slides in the air.

    • @masterkent1
      @masterkent1 Před rokem +6

      LMFAOOO I CANT UNSEE

    • @cyberdemon6517
      @cyberdemon6517 Před 3 měsíci

      actually hes not sliding hes standing on an invisible treadmill

  • @xaviermartinez4872
    @xaviermartinez4872 Před 2 lety +44

    Remember kids.
    The worst part about super is actually just how bad the aura can be at times.
    STOP IT WITH ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS
    also that weird blur fuzzy effect they give some other things.
    Anyone remember how they blurred Shida's cut on Battle of Gods? Sad.

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 Před 2 lety +15

      I gotta agree, even though Goku vs Jiren fight was a amazing, they overdid it with the Aura.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +1

      Agree about Super, but I don't remember it being a problem, in BOG.

    • @TonyTonyRedgrave
      @TonyTonyRedgrave Před 10 měsíci

      The auras look horrible. Just about ruins even the best animated parts for me.

  • @MissNorington
    @MissNorington Před 2 lety +3

    Wonderful work again! This is the best DB channel for me to date!

  • @hophoppington-hoppenhiemer2016

    Good video, mad respect for including uncredited artists, supporting the unfortunately harassed staff of those early arcs and overall good flow and editing for the video.

  • @The-Determined-Ninja
    @The-Determined-Ninja Před 2 lety +18

    Genuinely the breakdown providing the _proper_ understanding everyone needed, awesome job. ✨

  • @yadatada5556
    @yadatada5556 Před 2 lety +8

    17:54 wow didn't know vegeta was from the same planet as Megamind.

  • @You-ev7kl
    @You-ev7kl Před 2 lety +28

    Before Super was made, I thought in my head that when it began, I expect to see nothing but near movie level production for this legendary series, because if any series deserves that, it's Super. I got bruh momented.

    • @aaryayt7747
      @aaryayt7747 Před 2 lety +1

      The latest movies look sick!

    • @derek2288
      @derek2288 Před 2 lety +14

      Sadly Toei is a bad studio, atleast the executives. Greedy asf

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Před rokem +8

      Sorry but that's a stupid thing to say. Super is a weekly series, you can't expect it to have movie level quality animation .Super will definitely have a more healthy production and look better than before, when it returns. But if you're expecting movie level quality, sorry but the disappointment is on you.

    • @sylasexd
      @sylasexd Před rokem +7

      Imagine expecting movie quality from a weekly anime☠️

    • @xdrastig_4207
      @xdrastig_4207 Před rokem +2

      ​​​@@sylasexd Still isn't an excuse to turn 90% of its animation into shit and kill/change the artstyle of the series completely.
      If they already knew 90% of episodes will be subpar because of it being a weekly anime, just don't turn it into a weekly anime, simple as that, problem solved, only reason super got any streams is because it's dragonball related, unlike Z, if it was a stand-alone series it wouldn't live for long.
      Movies animation is what this series deserves since it's from arguably the most influential anime ever created, and, unlike Z, super didn't influence much

  • @paintbrush3554
    @paintbrush3554 Před 2 lety +3

    Great video as always

  • @Vespyr_
    @Vespyr_ Před 3 měsíci +4

    16:14 It's actually amazing how much better DBS looks without the highlighting making everyone look like they're made of plastic. It's soooo much better just for this small scene. I'd have taken the whole show like this.

  • @nazarenomilohanich4883
    @nazarenomilohanich4883 Před 2 lety +285

    18:30 Damm, didn't knew Vegeta owned a whole ass bakery lmao. Jokes aside tho, I appreciate the bit at the beginning where you poke fun at those dumbasses who think is cool to go online and be an asshole to people who already have to deal with an incredibly exploitative and abusive industry. It's embarrasing people like this geniunely still exist, especially after all these years where the ugly side of the industry has been thoroughly documented and began to become more mainstream knowledge...

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Před 2 lety +20

      Oh my god finally someone who understands!!! I come across nothing but idiots who talk shit about the animators all the time. I feel horrible for them they're overworked and underpaid. It's saddening and gross.

    • @antoniosmith2610
      @antoniosmith2610 Před 2 lety +28

      Finally someone who gets and understands Vegeta’s bakery

    • @Carnomus
      @Carnomus Před 2 lety +9

      Vegeta does have a whole ass bakery

    • @politedonut2637
      @politedonut2637 Před 7 měsíci +1

      He owns 2

  • @zombathinlostleghackercat5233
    @zombathinlostleghackercat5233 Před 3 měsíci +4

    My favorite UI TOP moments are when Goku flies towards Jiren face to face in a bird pose, and when Goku backflips to dodge Jiren and he's hit with a barrage of high speed attacks even though Goku's not moving.

  • @dargossss
    @dargossss Před 2 lety +20

    Thanks for the review, I skipped most of what the TV anime did with the plot of the movies, so I didn't catch any of this mess lol.
    I also have to mention the improvement on your videos, and maybe your english? In your early work I had trouble understanding, but now, I can follow everything. Keep up the good work!

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +11

      You're a lucky man then haha and thanks! Over time I've tried to focus on pronouncing everything with less of an accent to be clearer, I've got used to recording that way now :)

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 Před 8 měsíci +7

    I don't think there's ever been a moment in history when the term "lazy animation" could be applied. Terrible animation can be blamed on a lot of things, and can be called a lot of things, but show me an animator who puts out bad work because they had SO MUCH time on their hands that they just lazily doodled something at a snail's pace and then just gave up because they couldn't be arsed anymore and handed it in. There's nothing lazy about being an animator :/

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Před 6 měsíci

      Reused animation is lazy.

    • @cpilfold420
      @cpilfold420 Před měsícem

      Laziness exists in everything
      Doesn't seem you understand the meaning of the word and how universally applicable it is to any discipline.

  • @vegettoblack7852
    @vegettoblack7852 Před 2 lety +1

    Oh wow right after I posted my comment you reference the studio cockpit animation! Just found your channel but I love your commentary. 10/10

  • @Blevin1080
    @Blevin1080 Před 2 lety +2

    Dude, you make great videos.

  • @slifer875
    @slifer875 Před 2 lety +119

    How about a Dragon ball GT best and worst animated episode in the future?

    • @ItsOver9000Productions
      @ItsOver9000Productions Před 2 lety +43

      there was animation in GT?

    • @slifer875
      @slifer875 Před 2 lety +31

      @@ItsOver9000Productions mostly better than the first three arcs of DBS, hell the direction in GT in some of the episodes its some of the best in the entire franchise.
      As for Animation look up the fights against baby, super 17 and some of the early episodes, especially the awakening of baby.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +77

      GT was much less animated to both Z and Super so it makes it a little difficult. That doesn't mean it is absent of any well-animated scenes, but more so it's sporadic throughout an episode rather than anything consistent like episode 279 in Z or 130 in Super.
      The only action episode in GT that somewhat did was episode 24, although that's more so in the 2nd half. Episode 1 had some nice animation as well.

    • @geo-305
      @geo-305 Před 2 lety +3

      So no one is gonna mention the fight with baby vegeta is was pretty cool

    • @falconboi9126
      @falconboi9126 Před 2 lety +1

      @@forgottenrelics1197 there's always the option of doing a "best and worst animated scene in GT" or "most visually pleasing episode" though maybe with a slightly different name, just talking about direction and whatnot

  • @Gaming_Hub_UK
    @Gaming_Hub_UK Před 2 lety +7

    Great video and I really enjoy these animation break downs as for an artist like me it helps me understand more about the importance of shading and movements in characters when drawing.
    Also I really found this part hilarious when u said path the power from 1906 😂😂 12:53

  • @vegettoblack7852
    @vegettoblack7852 Před 2 lety +3

    Great analysis. Spot on. 130 is also my favorite animation in dbs. It's like when that fight with cell and goku was done by studio cockpit (I think it was them) and you could really see the drastic difference in quality.
    Not gonna lie though, as a kid it felt like that was the quality of animation for the entire series from that point on (but hey, I was a kid so give my nostalgia a break!)

  • @jaded9436
    @jaded9436 Před 2 lety +1

    No way, I was just looking through your videos a couple of days ago hoping to find this exact video

  • @SkyZer0
    @SkyZer0 Před 2 lety +8

    who needs Anime Ajay when we have this guy?

  • @LowResCatExplosion
    @LowResCatExplosion Před rokem +5

    11:04 Beerus looks like Scooby Doo wtf

  • @3einEye
    @3einEye Před 2 lety +74

    I really feel like the auras do a disservice to the great artwork in episode 130, I would've preferred if they tone them down a bit.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +39

      Yeah and the blur at times, still an improvement though from some of the earlier episodes.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +23

      That was really an issue with that, when Vegeta new Blue form was shown, that hurt my eyes lol

    • @TazGaming141
      @TazGaming141 Před 2 lety +2

      @@j04370859 ikr😅I have to dim my phone just to look at the form good

    • @m0002856
      @m0002856 Před 2 lety +12

      Was gonna comment this same thing.
      The auras and whatever they use to make the characters look so damn shiny make things look so much worse.

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 what ive seen of the broly movie hurt my eyes because theres so many cuts a d flips spins shaking it honestly annoyed me a bit

  • @BlueDINK7
    @BlueDINK7 Před rokem +4

    People have zero empathy with art and artists, and lets not talk about animators... they are treated arguably like common definition of a slave most of the time in Japan, and even like that people still death threat them on twitter... while most of them dont even have a damn stable job and no need to have one someitmes even... no wonder why they have that much time to post shit on twitter.

  • @goncalobaia1574
    @goncalobaia1574 Před 10 měsíci +1

    For me it was episode 122. I found myself pausing every half second just to look at the individual frames for being so good. More than the animation was the drawing itself, I only watched the whole show now and I was blown away, they actually got that rough perfection that seemed to be lost in the 90s.
    I also have to admire the "remake" of red SSG, even though it's the same, the fact that it looks serious as hell (the face and eyes) makes it feel really dope

  • @SuperArystoteles
    @SuperArystoteles Před rokem +2

    Do not forget about first reveal of kaioken + ssj blue.
    That animation was sick!

  • @faustovii1085
    @faustovii1085 Před rokem +3

    most of DB Super episodes until Black Goku Arc felt like a final project of a secondary school

  • @Kenpai_TDG
    @Kenpai_TDG Před 2 lety

    Yoo nice video dude! mind doing something like that in specific one piece arcs or whatever anime ? ^^

  • @endlord_1.185
    @endlord_1.185 Před rokem +19

    11:03
    Beerus looks more like a dog with pointy ears than a cat in this shot lmao

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Před rokem +3

      So many of us were pointing that out at the time and said he looked like Scooby Doo. 😂

    • @shiny8454
      @shiny8454 Před měsícem

      "Whis! I require a Scooby Snack!"

  • @theultimateawesome5516
    @theultimateawesome5516 Před 2 lety +11

    Even episode 5 broadcast version I don’t know how people can compare the two. Ep 5 is better than episodes 24 and most of the ROF arc

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +5

      Same haha, I feel like part of the reason is that a decent amount of fans had stopped watching by then since it was another retelling or maybe skipped it altogether.

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 Před 2 lety +6

      Yeah at least with 5 there was actual animation, 24 barely had any of that.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety

      Episode 5, is when the production went downhill, so people remember that one the most, many were making videos on it, plus still to this day, I see still images from that Goku vs Beerus fight, on Instagram lol

    • @diddlenfiddle7311
      @diddlenfiddle7311 Před 2 lety

      Internet rumour spread like wildfire. I bet alot of people to say ep5 is bad havn't even seen it.

  • @EDZEN94
    @EDZEN94 Před rokem +4

    11:03 Ah yes, Lord Scooby Doo

  • @turnerburger
    @turnerburger Před 2 lety +49

    Guess Frieza just attracts poor animation lol

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +13

      seems so rip

    • @BigLittleShark
      @BigLittleShark Před 2 lety

      I can’t remember what episode it is but 17 and Frieza vs Jiren has some absolutely amazing shots and animation too, so I don’t think this is entirely true.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety

      @@BigLittleShark I don't think he was saying, every episode he's in, looks bad, of course, there were a number or great looking one's from Z, but Frieza does happen to be in the worst looking episode, from Z, GT and Super lol

    • @BigLittleShark
      @BigLittleShark Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 true he's probably cursed

  • @AlphaWasSpotted
    @AlphaWasSpotted Před 2 lety +7

    you would think animators would get great pay and treated better, bizzare how such an essential part of the process is so little compensated

  • @arian6565
    @arian6565 Před 2 měsíci

    You make the best Anime videos ever, what the heck

  • @AnExstravagancy
    @AnExstravagancy Před 2 lety +4

    Im very glad that dbs animation and style gradually got better as the episodes went on, and even better when the broly movie came out, comes to show you what they are capable of with enough time and budget

  • @BIGFLEXX19
    @BIGFLEXX19 Před 3 měsíci

    i really like sharp and triangular look the of dragon ball super that naotoshi shida did it makes the characters feel like there trying and i love that every thing feel more serious and aggressive with that style of drawing it's just tooo good

  • @TheHaremReviewer
    @TheHaremReviewer Před 2 lety +5

    Would like to see you cover some animation from the original Z films

  • @sharperwhisper9752
    @sharperwhisper9752 Před 2 lety +4

    0:32 is the best part of the vid it was so funny XD

  • @specialnewb9821
    @specialnewb9821 Před 2 lety +6

    Heh, at this point the production notes probably say "Shida draws something awesome."
    Great break down of both episodes! Really love your analysis

  • @Milos15GameplaysYT
    @Milos15GameplaysYT Před 2 lety +4

    The thick lines do somewhat remind me of Seizo Toma. But I doubt he even worked on the episode uncredited as his next episode, after 4, was 33.

    • @daykuohtwo8422
      @daykuohtwo8422 Před 2 lety +1

      It reminded me of his work too, but from what I remember his faces were quite narrow and characters had pointy ears

  • @forresthoulgrave1541
    @forresthoulgrave1541 Před rokem +1

    Dude THANK YOU for choosing ep 24 for this conversation, the internet meme'd ep 5 to death but I always thought 24 was the lowest point for the series visually. Just so many bad keyframes with the stiffest animation in between

  • @TheGame4eva
    @TheGame4eva Před rokem +4

    Super has, by the end, one of the best animations i ever seen, on par with the best animations i've seen on One Piece. A new anime with near flawless animation is Jujutsu Kaisen, almost everything about it is amazing

  • @Yuricorru
    @Yuricorru Před 2 lety

    I love this thank you a fellow understander that just like Z, Super has it’s low downs and mountain ups

  • @sonkun4157
    @sonkun4157 Před 2 lety +17

    Im confused on how you only have over 25k subs. I think i can objectively say you are the best dragon ball youtuber.
    The quality and effort you put into your videos are unmatched. You also never cut corners by posting clickbait videos or forcing videos about new content dragon ball just for views. You are a true warrior at heart.
    All that is not even to mention the fact that you shoutout small artists in your videos.
    Keep doing your thing, you are doing what you do in the most honest true passionate way possible, like a real man.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +10

      I get a lot of supportive messages but this one really hit home. Even so, I personally don't see myself as the best, there is still a lot I would like to improve on, regardless if there are even a couple of people out there who feel that way about the channel, it makes me truly happy. Thank you for the encouragement.

    • @diddlenfiddle7311
      @diddlenfiddle7311 Před 2 lety +3

      I think talking about in show stuff is more popular than out of show, which is a shame because now I find the process of how the show's made to be soo fascinating.
      So yea I don't think that number reflects lack of quality at all. Every one of these videos all seem really well made.

    • @sonkun4157
      @sonkun4157 Před 2 lety +6

      @@forgottenrelics1197 Thank you for the content, im excited to keep watching in the future. Im not surprised you look at it that way because thats the right mindset to have.
      No doubt with the quality and depth you put into your videos, on top of your humbleness (which reminds me and other viewers of dragon ball in some ways) youll keep pushing and go way further than you already have, which is already very impressive.

  • @supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688

    Could you perhaps make a video on Tu Yong-Ce as I feel like not that many people Take about him besides from his work on One Piece

  • @kanyekubrick5391
    @kanyekubrick5391 Před 2 lety +34

    The one episode where Goku loses his powers due to overtraining, there’s a sequence where Goten lays on his lap. The animation was so bad that I almost quit watching the show.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +4

      Art was bad, but that's my favourite filler episode of Super lol

    • @supermegadong7597
      @supermegadong7597 Před rokem

      Almost every scene with goten they ruin. Epsidoe 1 or 2 he falls off a cliff and it’s some how hyped to be scarred. BRO HE IS A SUPER SAYIAN

    • @Sydney-wi1ym
      @Sydney-wi1ym Před 6 měsíci

      Well you want a cookie for that?

    • @kanyekubrick5391
      @kanyekubrick5391 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Sydney-wi1ym sure, that sounds great. I’d love one

  • @blackatem1174
    @blackatem1174 Před 2 lety +3

    The problem with protecting Super is. Super is 30 years after Z. DragonBall is presently one of the largest anime franchise effort.
    The budget should not have been this low. The release schedule should not have been rushed.
    You would think the world's most popular anime ever would look better than this especially the Godfather of action. Anime.
    Super got good in tournament of power. It's a billion dollar franchise. How did they release trash for almost 100 episodes

    • @derek2288
      @derek2288 Před 2 lety +2

      We really should start blaming toei not the animators. Fucking greedy people

    • @darling..............
      @darling.............. Před rokem

      Even the top arc was trash,all of the tension literally becomes nonexistant when 17 just wishes them all back and the main "antagonist" is as compelling as a brick wall,and the way both piccolo and krillin get wasted is extremely sad when both had their own arc and moments before the top arc,and the only good episodes being when either goku and vegeta work togethor or when goku goes UI agaisnt jiren

    • @Sydney-wi1ym
      @Sydney-wi1ym Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@darling..............by that logic the cell, namek and buu saga have non-existent tension.

  • @catherinejaddii828
    @catherinejaddii828 Před 2 lety +22

    I love it when people who claim to be "progressive" and "socialists" harass animators on Twitter who get paid slave wages. Like come on.

  • @SuperMasterJefe
    @SuperMasterJefe Před 2 lety +3

    Tate and his team are my favorite animators. It kinda feels like the "more is less" thing toriyama follows. Less detail led to more dynamic action setting his team apart from the rest

  • @SuperSamPam
    @SuperSamPam Před 2 lety +5

    R u gonna do animation analysis on the new DBSSH trailer?

  • @AsagiriGennn
    @AsagiriGennn Před 2 lety +1

    16:22 The scene with the thick lines might be Seizo Toma. He likes to use super thick lines.

  • @AkatsukiClash
    @AkatsukiClash Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you!

  • @Galacticbluedesu
    @Galacticbluedesu Před 2 lety

    i would like naotoshi animate a sequence if there is at some point, of vegeta evading blast while holding bulma, that would look so sick

  • @pranshusrivastava8353
    @pranshusrivastava8353 Před 2 lety +4

    I'm just a bit sad you didn't choose the episode of Goku against K&C (Episode 114 as well as the one where vegeta vs jiren happened) as the best because Takahashi as the key animator was so on point in that one. The characters looked just brilliant.

    • @TruxySSJ
      @TruxySSJ Před rokem

      Bruh
      That would be the best LOOKING chapter and not the best ANIMATED chapter
      Drawings ≠ Animation

  • @MinhLe19303
    @MinhLe19303 Před 2 lety +8

    It's insulting to to called that episode "Ebisawa-equivilent," because even his episode has more effort that shit. It's maddening why people still believe Ep.5 is worse.

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Před rokem

      Super was more watched in the very beginning, episode 5 was the start of the bad animation, that got a lot of attention and memes. By the time we got to that Frieza episode, I think a lot of people dropped the show, due to the animation, another movie retelling, plus how much worse the anime made ROF, with their changes. So it got far less hate than episode 5, despite looking much worse.

  • @seankkg
    @seankkg Před rokem +2

    I'd love to learn more about FMA animators.

  • @BakenReel
    @BakenReel Před 2 lety +2

    Vegeta, The Prince of McDonalds' 17:53

  • @KAKAR0110
    @KAKAR0110 Před 2 lety

    I wish that I go back in time to learn the db style in the 90’s

  • @COOLSKALLYWAG
    @COOLSKALLYWAG Před rokem

    can you do movies next or did you already do that ?

  • @Cloudx0x
    @Cloudx0x Před 2 lety

    Hey. It's me. The Ryo Onishi guy again. Tell me something, do you think super(when it comes back) will have a lot of Sakuga like One Piece does now? I think it will. I can't wait for this to happen.

  • @devonmorris7052
    @devonmorris7052 Před 2 lety +2

    You should do the original dragon balls best and worst animated episodes

  • @isaacnewtb
    @isaacnewtb Před 2 lety +26

    What did you think of the animation quality in the new super hero trailer? I think it has shown some nice improvements and I'm definitely more excited for the fights in there despite the cg

    • @jangofett7593
      @jangofett7593 Před 2 lety +6

      I think they are trying to do something new with the cgi that they hope people who watch Dragon Ball would like better, I still prefer the old animations but their intention was surely good

    • @kytsunee6324
      @kytsunee6324 Před 2 lety +3

      @@jangofett7593
      It’s mostly a passion project where Toriyama wanted to do something unique and that’s nice, but I doubt it’s going to be the series’ style going forward. Hopefully, they will choose Shintano instead of Yamamuro as the animation director and character designer for the next cour of Dragon Ball Super. I feel like his style can definitely serve the series well, if paired with what we could at least consider a decent production schedule, of course.

    • @jangofett7593
      @jangofett7593 Před 2 lety

      @@kytsunee6324 Yeah the CGI is probably only for this movie. I like Yamamuro's animation style a bit more than Shintani's personally, but it doesn't really matter aslong as it's one of them I am fine with it, both of them showed us how good they are when executed well.

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 Před 2 lety

      its definitely better then most cgi anime in my opinion but at times it also looks kinda bad. some of it look really good but i definitely prefer hand drawn

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 Před 2 lety

      not that i know anything about animation tbh

  • @Action-Punk
    @Action-Punk Před 2 lety

    The thick line work for Goku vs Frieza correct me if I’m wrong but that could be Seizo Toma with the way the lines are drawn but if it isn’t, someone get the info to clear it up if you can, thanks for the video they did what they could with this crazy schedule, it’s a great insight.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah I was wondering if it was Toma as well although I'm unsure if the rest of the features match up to his work. Would be great to find out who did it one day!

  • @treyvonishere4375
    @treyvonishere4375 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I just wanna know why Toei wanted to start a new anime 3-4 months immediately after a movie and roughly a year and a half after the previous movie. Super coming out in 2016 would’ve saved a bit more in the quality assuming they still wanted all that merch money. Also making it’s two first arcs recaps and drawn out versions of movies we had just gotten is really odd to me but at this point it’s not uncommon for the franchise.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Part of the reason was to keep Dragon Ball Kai's timeslot which finished up the week before Supers first episode aired. So releasing in 2016 would've taken that away.
      There's also the marketing/promotion tie in of dropping a new movie around the same time a new DB series has started. But personally like any other fan I would've much preferred for it to have released at a later date.

  • @dulguunshallot1018
    @dulguunshallot1018 Před 2 lety +3

    How can they not give enough time bugdet to the sequel of 1 of the most popular anime

  • @wont0repeat446
    @wont0repeat446 Před 2 lety +4

    Wow man you know shit..gotta hit a like.
    And yeah. I’m tired of people saying dbs is trash and a embrassemnt to z

  • @Apsolon
    @Apsolon Před rokem +2

    Harassing peoples on twitter. Truly an America moments.

  • @aagamer43
    @aagamer43 Před 2 lety +5

    Ngl the dream db show is shida animation with Takahashi Character designs

    • @TheSoulExplorer
      @TheSoulExplorer Před 2 lety +3

      I love Takahashi but I prefer the Shintani style to be honest. Takahashi is a throwback to the good Yamamuro days and I think that Dragon Ball needs something new. Not to mention that Shida's level of animation is easier to pull of with simplistic designs.

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +3

      @TheSoulExplorer I mean, the Yamamuro era in Z, was probably the peak of DB art, also the most iconic, his style is always replicated, when fans draw DB, it's hard not to want that back, for the series as a whole, but I can appreciate change.

    • @TheSoulExplorer
      @TheSoulExplorer Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 That's the thing, it is overdone. A new style would be a much needed change.

    • @goldman77700
      @goldman77700 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheSoulExplorer I prefer Yamamuro design vastly but yeah Shintani is the best "redesign" I've seen in anime ever. I hope it stays.

  • @jumpfold
    @jumpfold Před rokem +10

    Appreciate the animators they deserve respect.

  • @clifton8566
    @clifton8566 Před rokem

    the epsiode where vegeta and goku fought jiren in blue was also really good too. the episode where vegeta fired a final flash at jiren

  • @ultraplayer4594
    @ultraplayer4594 Před rokem +1

    Bro 130 was so hype

  • @UnwantedGhost1
    @UnwantedGhost1 Před 2 lety +3

    When (or more likely if) the Dragonball anime return later on, the animation directors better not repeat Frieza one arm spinning Goku. I just can't bare another one. 😱

  • @pillow1557
    @pillow1557 Před 2 lety +3

    Animating is very hard,I tried to Animate 7-8 seconds animation,it took me 4 hours..and I feel them
    Also sometimes it makes me sad that some nature background is only shown for some seconds like they spend lots of time on that background just to be shown for some seconds..

  • @Unethical.Dodgson
    @Unethical.Dodgson Před 2 lety +1

    "Hai-deki Heero Sheemah"
    I've forgiven a lot of pronunciation mistakes thus far but this one was unforgivable.

  • @1Soltis
    @1Soltis Před 2 měsíci +1

    Nice but why would you have this purple background and not the video full screen…? Watching on my phone btw

  • @CatOcatastrophe
    @CatOcatastrophe Před 2 lety +1

    Imagine if the animators time traveled back to the start of the series. Just how much more cooler it would look when it caught up to the last season, hehe.
    Edit, gotta say, the Majin Buu animation style of Goku n Vegeta has to be my top fav.

  • @jnascimento7023
    @jnascimento7023 Před 2 lety +3

    one thing that i always critique about dbs in its first episodes was how they made 3 shades in the hair
    especially goku
    maybe its just me but this use of 3 grade shading is just unappealing and over the necessary amount
    although they did remove that on the newer material ( with the exception of heroes-the game promo anime) and its honestly far better than the yamamuro current plastic pallete color style

    • @Waqas_Khan02
      @Waqas_Khan02 Před 2 lety +3

      agreed I personally perfer no shade or 1 shade when the character has black hair.
      2 or 3 shade look good in different hair colour.

  • @Texshy
    @Texshy Před 2 lety +11

    I skipped the first 2 arcs to get to the stuff that wasn't retelling the movies. So I missed a lot of the terrible animation.

    • @forgottenrelics1197
      @forgottenrelics1197  Před 2 lety +9

      Yeah I think a lot of people did lol

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety +3

      The first 3 episodes looked nice though and don't skip the one with Vegeta spending a vacation with his family.

    • @waspywasp451
      @waspywasp451 Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 I think Battle of God's anime retelling had a decent argument to not be skipped, but, bar one episode on Beerus' planet, Frieza's arc is entirely skippable tbh

  • @redheadmonke
    @redheadmonke Před 2 lety

    I liked the T.O.P/Universe Survival Saga in DBS. It looked nice visuals wise.

  • @boyanraynov5960
    @boyanraynov5960 Před 2 lety

    You should do a movie review of dbz

  • @IIIISai
    @IIIISai Před 2 lety +1

    6:18 Ikr the slim Mui looks sick, it's sad though besides these few scenes most people look at the bulky mui in the other scenes and say it looks trash 🤧, Slim Mui in the anime, and in the manga Heat

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety

      Who says that? Most people, prefer the bulk.

    • @IIIISai
      @IIIISai Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 No most people prefer the slim, How do u never see the hate anime Mui gets, it's alot, the reason is because of the bulk

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety

      @@IIIISai I haven't seen anyone say that, wherever you're reading that from, it's just a minority. One of the critiques about DBS, is how slim the characters look now, everyone misses when the characters, looked more bulky, I don't know why anyone would complain about this.

    • @IIIISai
      @IIIISai Před 2 lety

      @@j04370859 I get what you're saying and it's true, but believe me when i talk about mui, If you ask anyone they trash on anime mui, but love manga, reason is literally because he's not slim

    • @j04370859
      @j04370859 Před 2 lety

      @@IIIISai But he is slim, in the manga, much slimmer than the anime.

  • @enricotucci
    @enricotucci Před 2 lety +3

    I just feel like super's animation has a few things that bother me, especially the ki blasts and the terrain, i mean i know they can't make each episode like the broly movie, but i guess i prefer the dbz old style

    • @jasonone8726
      @jasonone8726 Před rokem

      Well you watched the video, Super had a lousy production schedule, it's not because you prefer how Z looked.

  • @AkatsukiClash
    @AkatsukiClash Před 2 lety +1

    Dude, I cant even tell if youre trying to be funny, but youre FUNNY! 🤣

  • @sidecharacter3193
    @sidecharacter3193 Před 2 lety

    can you also do this for original dragonball

  • @SkittlesTheAnimator
    @SkittlesTheAnimator Před 2 lety +2

    Ngl ep 5 was pretty good, the drawings at some parts eh... but the animation or whatever was nice, and the ssj 3 transformation as very nice.

  • @jaychris4192
    @jaychris4192 Před 2 lety +1

    I'd say ep 129 was supers best animated episode but that's just me. Great video like usual, always enjoy your content.

    • @skealla5372
      @skealla5372 Před 2 lety +8

      129? Isn't it the episode with a lot of reused animation lol

    • @jaychris4192
      @jaychris4192 Před 2 lety +1

      @@skealla5372 I mean yeah there was good bit of reused animation but it looked good every time and Karasawa's section was extremely well done. I also enjoyed the storyboarding.

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Před 2 lety +6

      @@jaychris4192 130 was full of intense action and incredible movement and animation. Especially shidas section in the end of the episode.

    • @jaychris4192
      @jaychris4192 Před 2 lety

      @@IamJay02 it's just my opinion I prefer 129 over 130. Probably because I prefer ui omen over mui

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Před 2 lety

      @@jaychris4192 I mean yeah that's fair he looks really cool lol I'm just annoyed they had to reuse so many scenes in that episode

  • @PomadaGaming
    @PomadaGaming Před rokem +1

    0:05 mhm

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Před rokem +1

      0:23 ha yeah 130
      1:27 mhm
      1:40 bruh yea…
      1:54 bro this looks like looney tunes
      2:21 oh yea let’s go
      3:20 hm
      5:50 hm,indeed
      7:03 welp
      8:34 oh this…
      The insane-est part
      9:56 hyea
      10:36 oh no i’m already cringing
      11:08 oh my god
      11:44 understood

  • @SirL_56
    @SirL_56 Před rokem +1

    goku vs cell and goku vs jiren were imo the best animated fights so far

  • @mbappiani5809
    @mbappiani5809 Před 2 lety +2

    It would be cool if you do this with Naruto