Dragon Ball Super: One Year Later
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2019
- here we go again boys and girls.
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As a reminder, Piccolo lost the Tournament of Power because he didn’t hear his opponent. I repeat, Piccolo lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent. PICCOLO, the Namekian, the guy that can literally hear a conversation from ACROSS the EARTH lost because he didn’t HEAR his opponent.
Super Saiyan Legend I find the way he lost ANNOYING AS FUCK, because he literally heard a CLEAR conversation from trunks and goku way fucking far away that the other z fighters can’t hear, yet he can’t hear a little ass bug close to him smhhhhh
It's fucking stupid indeed. What's more triggering is how always Piccolo was depicted as that wise tactician and he didn't even try to use any ki attacks. He could just pummel the ground or do that omnidirectional explosion or anything... Super hasn; done dirty anyone as much as Piccolo
Maybe piccolo didn't clean his ears that day? :3
@@Reality-Distortion Tien gets done worse bro
@@wherearemypowers I'm not sure about that. Humans were fodder since the beggining of Z pretty much. Piccolo in middle of Cell saga was top tier and in Super he trained Gohan in preparations for ToP. So people expect way more from him.
Also the way Piccolo lost wasn't JUST dirty, it didn't make any sense.
There's only one good thing I can point out about the Future Trunks arc & it came from the dub.
"Hold your fire. This man isn't black!"
omg lmao
Goku Black and Zamasu was cool...but Trunks voice actor sucked that arc
Omg this might be the funniest line in all of dragon ball history😂😂😂
wow i didn't notice LMAO
Goku also says "make me black" when describing Zamasu's plan
Imagine if the og goku freeza fight was constantly interrupted by piccolo and krillin describing what's happening to us smh
I would've dropped dbz right than and there.
Facts
Whoa, great point.
I would've stopped watching right there
'Omg piccolo can you believe it?!?! Frieza is strong but Goku is becoming stronger'
I love how he just skipped over the Vegeta copy arc 😂😂😂😂
...
Well it was filler
@@chaseg4098 i am sueing you for that C profile picture
Because they turned Vegeta into frickin' Koenma.
It was filler. Not an arc
*_dont let this distract you from the fact that Broly got the biggest Zenkai boost in the whole franchise_*
Cell: *Crying in a corner*
jesus fuck ur right
Him going from pre Super Saiyan power, to matching a Fused, Super Saiyan Blue Warrior with now decades of experience and absurd level of power, was fucking absurd.
R B he did NOT match Gogeta lmao
R B Goku and Vegeta? yes
Swag I wanna say congrats because in your “I do not like dragon ball super” video you said girlfriend and in this one you said fiancé so good for you man
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Narita Lo yesssss!
nice catch haha
Wait, he was taking about the same person?
@ALPHA whoaaa dude. Too far.
"This arc would have benefited significantly had resurrection F not happened" Thank god for the manga am I right?
Anime > manga
@@mufasaescanor6404 Go away you uncultured fuck
@@ghettokage6104 most of the anime is better then the manga lol Roshi fights jiren and doesn’t get ripped to shreds instantly
@@ZodiacBandit manga>anime, idgaf what you say lollll
@@ghettokage6104 how can’t be the artwork cuz its all cramped in tiny boxes can’t be fights cuz its no moving images can’t be the writing cuz that sucks in the manga god not selling me here boi
Does anyone remember when Frieza said 'how dare you make me put effort into a fight' to broly
Yes, and it was very cathartic to know he still got the crap beaten out of him for over sn hour while Goku and Vegeta were perfecting the fusion dance.
@@brookerickettson4950 to be fair he lasted longer against broly than goku and vegeta did together tho lol.
And at the end he was like completely fine just really fucking annoyed.
@@MindAndMyth he put almost all his stats in durability
Goku: I've trained my whole life and now I have god Ki.
Frieza: give me four months.
Goku: I've now achieved ultra instinct.
Frieza: give me another four more months.
Goku: I've now achieved power higher than anyone in the multiverse, and I've trained so that even Zeno can't erase me.
Frieza: give me another four months
@@patrickho6540 broly but stronger
Frieza was born as strong as super saiyan goku, and he never trained in his life. Frieza has broly lvl potential, imagine if he trained seriously
@@RobT302 almost as strong as a ss1 because frieza was defeated by a ss1,frieza trained four months and now he's as strong as ssb goku? It's bs, dragonball super it's stupid.
@@RobT302 broly is a legendary ss atleast i can accept his ridiculous power level.
You can't really compare Frieza to his brother. He's just... Cooler
Daniel Dizon shut your mouth
@@NoName-hw5gy Lol. But than again he didn't even talk to begin with.
Dbs frieza*
corny
Cooler than freezer?
On another note, congrats to Taidomodachi on making Zamasu a sympathetic antagonist in his series, and that's ACTUAL fanfiction.
21:02 As for the fanfiction part, its actually very easy to tell who's idea this was, it was Toyotaro. You see, back in the late 2000s around the pre-BoG days, Toyotaro was writing his own DBZ spinoff manga called DBAF featuring super saiyan 5, I'm sure even new DB fans remember it, and on a side note its actually a really amazing fan manga contrary to the crap Toyotaro now produces in Super, but aside from that, in the DBAF mangas there's an evil Goku arc, a Goku from some alternate dimension or universe where he's evil, he has his own evil super saiyan forms and everything, and even wears the same dark clothing as Goku Black, along with a signature move called the Dark Kamehameha, if this all sounds familiar then it should because Toyotaro literally just put all of this in DBS, except in a far worse way than those fan mangas. Also that whole Supreme Kai going rogue schtick, that's also from DBAF, its literally from the first Xicor arc where Goku's DNA is stolen by the West Supreme Kai and she uses it to create her and Goku's child Xicor and decides to commit mass genocide. Point is, these concepts are really amazing and were executed very well in fan mangas but, as always, when DBS tried it, it came as the worst possible iteration of it. Having read the DBAF mangas I was so excited to see an official evil Goku/Supreme Kai are but I was majorly disappointed.
Face palm. Lmfao. Db af was a fan made pic. None of this is true. There is no af. Its fm, fan made.
Also the idea of switching forms even when it makes no narrative sense to is also something he did. He tried to make it seem like ssj3, trunks bulky grade 3, and ssj4 were all better at something even though it makes no sense and Vegeta could switch between them at will.
@@you_tube6733 are you stupid, can't read, brain dead, or all of that?
After seeing some of the art of dbaf I just want to know who let bro into the kitchen to cook this atrocity💀💀
When they didn’t allow Vegeta to just kill Frieza...
The most disrespectful moment to Vegeta’s character.
Seriously Goku flying in like a party member in an RPG that jumps in and steals your kill and exp last second was insulting
DBLoCK_ThE_KeyBlade Master Frickin’ exactly!
Seriously vegeta should have killed frieza.
I know right literally can you imagine if you have to work with your murderer? to know this guy not only killed your father but your entire race of people and left you with a dumbass that doesn't even see how dangerous that is letting them on the team this is the same guy that aimed a kill beam at his wife. but Goku is like "Nah it's okay I'll keep an eye on him!" like a f****** retard that he is.
Honestly they just spoiling Goku like a Gary Sue in fanfic.
It really showed Tori's disposition toward Vegeta, and that he intends for Goku to always be the warrior dangling over him. Sad.
Anyone remember when super saiyan was special?
YES. This is one of the reasons why the Android Arc was my favorite of the series. Super Saiyan was limited at that time to 3 or 4 people only (if you count Gohan later), and it was a feat that only could be achieved through incredible pain. As Vegeta said later, it's become a Super Saiyan bargain sale, lol. I truly wish SSjin 3 and beyond were never invented and that the series focused more on plot and techniques than tourneys and raw power displays. It would've been better for it.
Seth Rios really?? Sjj 3?? Bro that’s gotta be one of the coolest forms in dbz
@@sjj3lemon267 I guess it's a matter of opinion, but... yeah it's kinda cool. It was never very practical though.
@@EnnuiPilgrim well to be fair, the form was the reason Goku could keep up with Fat Buu and ONE OF the reasons why anyone even survived the Buu arc. But yeah, as a form alone, it's not that great in practicality unless mastered. Still cool though.
It wasn't that long.
The thing that always bothered me about the Goku Black arc is that they have time travel so they could stay in the normal timeline and train for years and just go back to exactly when Trunks left and be way more powerful
I think because black and zamasu have time rings it equals out and they are on parallel time somehow
Uh... A wizard did it?
They explained in the manga that the world that they want to save is still moving along. As in if a day has passed, they can't use the time machine to go to that timeline but one day earlier cause it won't be the same timeline
Frieza legit said in dbz "I haven't had to dust myself off like that since I was a child training with my father" So frieza did train
yet in super he magically forgets it exists
He never says he "trained" with his father. The manga has an extremely ambiguous dialogue with Freezer implying he has, somewhat, fougth his father (maybe not even a figth, maybe Cold just beat yhe shit out of him). Nothing about training AT. ALL.
Cavemen: *hit each other"
Zamasu: ok let's wipe out humanity
lol
He could've just wished for all mortals to be good.
Kyle Lottering or he could have just wished for all mortals to disappear I mean he had two chances to use the super dragon balls
If he attacked irl we would be so fucked still
caveman: confused unga bunga
"He sees one rock man hit another rock man and he decides this is it." 😂😂
THAT'S IT! NO MORE MORTALS!!
Zamasu - sees rock man hit another rock man.
Zamasu - "Cowabunga it is"
On gawd 😂😂😂😂
For a minute I thought it was a megaman reference
That was literally the funniest way he couldve put it
With the freeza arc, I think a good way to fix the power scaling is to have freeze train for a longer period of time and allow goku and vegeta to do the same. It could lead the fight to having goku needing to go all the way to super saiyen 3 just to gain an upper hand and still have the situation where goku gets shot, but this time leave vegetas win intact. That could be used as a lead into goku attempting to up his awareness during fighting, seeing as he could have died from that shot. That allows a good set up for the training for UI
That frieza Arc ,... I would have preferred Goku dying along with earth . And then Vegeta killing Frieza using whis's time reversal thing . For fuck sake , He needed to avenge for what Frieza did to his race , family and planet . I mean he is the ULTIMATE SAIYAN PRINCE . Not an wildman earthling who later realises he is a saiyan .
So, about Freeza training...
@@mamabriel7701 😂 man predicted time
@@neerazsharma6 agreed
well now it's even shitier
I freaking love swagkage, The most insightful anime fan I've ever known
Jiren isn't flying he's sitting on the invisible dude
😂
Oh you really made me think about that *guy*
You mean the small bug guy?
Meleoron type beat
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super.
All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super.
(Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
Dragon ball: Toriyama’s homage to old martial arts movies.
Dragon ball z: a homage to science fiction Toriyama was inspired by.
Dragon ball GT: a homage to Toriyama’s work.
Dragon ball super: Toriyama cashing in
Toriyama gotta pay those bills somehow 😂
He don't need money he was millionare before he even made Dragonball
@@dabidflores7505 yeah you're right, also toriyama made the BOG movie just to respark the dbz community again but after that toei pressured him into making a new series to make more money, hence the fuck up that is dbs.
@Cegesh yes they're both bad bro but GT was more dragon ball than dbs. I still like both series regardless
Heroes: SELL TOYS
"Its return is right around the corner" oh boi how wrong we were
Roshi's powerlevel is below 200...what the heck is he even doing there
Thats how horrible super is, total garbage.
Rosho never stopped his training, why would he have below 200 (which isn't even near the canonical power level he had the last saga where power units were used, saiyan saga)
These nostalfanZ really inventing fake "facts" to try making a point, that's how desperate they are lmao
He at 1 million
In Dragonball/Z characters would bleed when wounded.
In Dragonball Super when character becomes wounded he becomes dirty and topless. Any thoughts?
wink wink
Justinas Gabulas
Ya gotta think about the chirren. Save the CHIRREN
DB SuperShit....
@@anonymousperson1706 but we seen the blood in dbz when we where chirren
@@godspeedcrow4395 yeah but parent of today...
Remember when piccolo had more attacks than the special beam cannon? Man, those were some good times...
I still love the Hellzone Grenade.
Francesco Lombardi hopefully they’ll start up the super anime again and we’ll get to see piccolo actually do something besides charging the special bean cannon.
@@chrisburns9898 or shielding Gohan
Turning into a Giant
Eye beams
Mouth beams
Telepathy
Regeneration
Stretchy arms
Along with anything else
And he only used the fucking Light Grenade ONCE.
Also, if Gowasu dies, wouldn’t his life also be linked to the god of destruction of that universe?
Thus, Zamasu starts his rain on the Gods.
Man this is the best break down by far. Your extensive knowledge of DB and your logic is on point. You clarified a lot of things for me. And I agree wholeheartedly with your take. Thank you sir 🙌🏾🙏🏾
The fact he didn’t know how the pilaf gang became kids tells me both your takes are wrong
@@chriscoefield9331lmaooo can't wait to get to that point
@chriscoefield9331 I know I'm late to this (6 months late) but didn't he say that the pilaf gang used the dragon balls to become kids in the present? Which they did didn't they?
@@Jay_the_outer_god yes exactly. Active listening and paying attention seems to be difficult for some while delivering criticism comes easy to them
Freezer: Trains one day
goku super saiyan: loses
Imagine if frieza trained 15 seconds before fighting SSJ goku... Steamroll in Super's logic.
The Quattro one push-up and gokus toast.
@Frederick Bo Weesgaard Jønsson 8B Tårs undervisningssted no he's saying if during the namek saga,if frieza train just for ONE DAY,he can probably beat ssj goku
@Frederick Bo Weesgaard Jønsson 8B Tårs undervisningssted nevermind wrong comment lmao sorry
@@carlosyeet29 I mean honestly if freeza trained for like 7 minutes before fighting goku he would probably steamroll ssj Goku if we use super's logic.
Two dudes fight in a cave
Zamasu:-this world shall know pain
Please don't even compare that soyboy to Pain. I get what you're saying though.
Facts
@@naamari why ?
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I thought my response said it. Because Pain was actually an interesting and kinda relatable villain, whereas Zamasu is not.
@@naamari no zamasu had more of a human mindset despite being a god. That's basically what his character is all about.
With Trunks' spirit bomb, all it would've taken was one line of Goku saying "Everyone give me your energy so I can send it to Trunks!". That would've been enough! Or even better have someone from the main timeline somehow communicate (establish a way to do it first, like a time tunnel or something) and send energy from loads of universes for the attack.
I agree, the problems w/ super are so glaring bc a lot of them have simple solutions but the writers usually don't bother
U underestimate toriyama's and toytaro's level of stupidity
With the Freeza power boost, I was so sure that in the TV adaptation Champa would show up and train Freeza and that's how he'd catch up. Anything would've made more sense than what we got.
You know Goku black arc is shit when xenoverse 2 developers changed the ending so Trunks would get the power from all timelines so it would make atleast a little sense. Actually that is my favourite thing
Only problem is how does he know the Spirit Bomb? In fact they have ripoff/copy and paste/more pointless fanservice from the Saiyan Arc with Goku making the Spirit Bomb.
@@OneYuDBZSlayers Thats not the only problem, thats like the least problem what happened there lol
@@xlrrockmusic no equal
Lmfao
Insania the arc itself was kinda good and entertaining but the ending was the dumbest thing ever and that kinda ruined it but I think that would have been better too lmao
I didn’t like how Super made Goku so more oblivious then Z.
Its called Flanderization man. Sadly, happens to lots of shows and media, not only anime.
TFS Goku really popular huh guy's
It didn't. you are used to the 90's funimation dub completely rewriting Goku's character
Lion of the Blue Vale that version is better in my opinion
Lion of the Blue Vale I've read the DB manga and he was much less retarded in it than in Super, by far
Honestly dude, you did a good job with this video, I love super to death but i was still able to agree with most of the points presented in the video, great job my dude!!
While I enjoyed the concept of Evil Goku and I also enjoyed the fights but overall I think to summarize my feelings on the Future Trunks arc is “oh god I hate time travel”.
I liked 17 in Super, I really did. But dear god did they ass pull his power. He stops poachers for a few years and that just suddenly makes him as strong as SSJB and able to take down Jiren a few times.
That’s the power of being a park ranger
And people out there saying that base goku can destroy universes
@@gito7604 A17 was suspended for 30 days for violating toei Anti drug policy
@@treemane0 Anime wise yes because he absorbed ssjg but am not so sure about the manga
Darius in the manga Goku only took him on as a SSJ3
Honestly it kinda was:
1.) never felt tension
2.) Goku became the clown vegeta always accused him of being
3.) Piccolo became a running Joke
4.) Gohans demeanor was one of a major “try-hard”. Would’ve been better if he was more returning for his love of fighting than a necessity
5.) No Faulconer music
6.) extreme power scaling
7.) SS3 becoming a more useless transformation than ever before
People like to call Buu Saga a shit show but it was at least a serious one
#5 is huge
Buu Saga was amazing.
Upnorth Society I liked it
Explain to me what is wrong with the power scaling. I’ll wait.
@@dillpickle7400 an example being how in the beginning of the series. It's said God ki trumps all other ki and 1 arc later frieza with no God ki comes in an whoops goku but this is brushed aside due to "training" and "potential" and in the u6 a base cabba without ssj or God ki has equal power to a vegeta who has god ki and trained with whis for nearly over a year.
There's more but that's just a few
You also forgot how unfair the writers really are against the non-main characters in the TOP. They're all getting weaker by the minute while Goku, especially Goku, just gets stronger by the power of friendship.
Yeah thats also a reason why this show felt lame compared to dbz they basically went standard lame shounen type of anime it reminds me alot of fairy tail
T.o.P. has literally been the peak of non-main characters. If you want to talk about writers being unfair with Z warriors you have the wprst saga ever produced in DB, the saiyan saga, where we are just supposed to watch our 5 secondary characthers that we saw training and improving for years through DB (which adds up to more than 100 episodes) just so they fucking die in the most pathetics of ways (Yamcha became a meme of how pathetic someone can be, even used to describe lame idiots outside DB. Chaoz had the most souless and forgetable of sacrifices in the franchise), and this mfs couldn't even get Nappa tired
Really? 5 minor characters that Toriyama took an entire series to build and they can't even take on a minor villain? Christ
40:49 i know im 2 years late, but that a "way out" soundtrack SLAPSSS, great taste man
Wish they made the show more serious.
@@ongfrfr249 I don't think super is even close to being better than z. Most of my reasons relate to swag's because of the fact that super is just inconsistent. One he didn't mention example is how the hakai got retcon into being just an exclusive ki blast for g.o.ds, You just have to be strong enough to resist it now. the show is more comedic or just kid friendly. Plus you know Z just might be better when super has to try and actually reuse the same scenes from Z, examples being: father-son ki wave, vegeta's final flash scene, and vegeta's explosion (sacarfice in Z) scene. Now I don't know about you, but every one of those scenes were done much better in Z. Also you don't have to like power scaling to find frieza's training stupid. Also again, two beings that are definitely weaker than buu saga goku and vegeta, potara fused, should not be pressing ssjb goku.
@@ongfrfr249 I respect your opinion to, but I can't agree that dragonball is kid friendly, DB had the most nudity and a bunch of lewd scenes.
@@ongfrfr249 oh ok.
XpertGamer 90 I wanted to respect ur opinion but ur opinion is fkn stupid🤦🏼♂️
Need that saiyan and frieza arc storytelling back
Piccolo was done so dirty in Super. That scene where he was about to show Goku the evil containment technique but Goku dismissed him and then Bulma said ‘you can still show us’ was one of the most funniest scenes🤣🤣 but I felt so bad for him 😭😭.
Piccolo? Hb Gohan? The guy was stronger than an ssj3 at the end of dbz, then when the whole Freiza thing happened, he turned out to be weaker than his 6-year-old self on Namek.
That was definitely a so sad it’s funny moment. I swear you can see his ears droop like a sad puppy.
Kind of sums up his writting in Super; building up to meaningful contributing, then completely shafted for another character.
Nice to see Bulma cares.
@@mr.person1219 gohan was not ruined in super. He always wanted to be a family man and a scholar and never wanted to fight unless he had to. That was always his character and if you never knew that then you were never really a gohan fan.
@@tylee2358 ye but it would make sense for him to train so he can protect that family and he definetly doesnt need to put too much time into it. since he knows that if goku and vegeta arent around stuff can get really bad
@@tylee2358 You're just being a fuckin' gatekeeper. Just because that's HIS CHARACTER doesn't mean situations won't arise that demand he get involved. That's the hallmark of a true reluctant hero. And it's something Toriyama _should_ have done since it seems he was so desperate to retire Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. He's the writer, he invents these situations. He has the authority to do that, and he chose not to. And as fans, the creator should not be above criticism as he presides over making this thing we love. You need criticism as quality control or else you have an echo chamber, as we see in some parts of Hollywood now.
4 years later
This is still my favourite Swagkage video
I dont even like dragon ball alot but I love watching and listening to Swag talking abt it
"So I guess he's a SUPER DUPER PRODIGY"
I swear you always make me laugh!
He is a BIT wrong about freeza tho, or at least it seems like he is. He seems to believe that mecha freeza is on the same level as namek freeza, which is not true, mecha freeza is stronger, which is why freeza thought it was ok not to train to fight goku, he'd already gotten stronger just through mechanical enhancement, so I'll give freeza a bit of leeway here as swag makes it sound like freeza is just retardedly going back in at the same power level thinking that would be ok, other than that I really didn't have any problems with the vid and this was just a small nitpick
It's almost a super prodigy 2 eh? :^)
Kenan Ford Still doesn't disregard that Frieza is the most ignorant character in DB (up until that point at least).
@@kenan-b Yea he got stronger though they didn't take their time remaking him while Dr Gero did with 18 and 17 they kinda rush him freeza and clearly didn't have the technology that Dr Gero had.
@@supaseru9736 The difference between Mecha Frieza and 17 and 18 is that the androids were made on a cellular level and have little mechanical enhancements. They are strong because they are no longer human. Dont need to eat, sleep and have unlimited energy. They also grow stronger faster also. (Look at 17)
Swagkage: look at coolers final form its awesome its not just some gold spray paint
Dragon ball heroes: GOLDEN COOLERRRRRRRRR
Loool noooo
IKR!
real dragonball fans hate dragonball super.
All followers (Fake fans) who didn't watch Dragonball in their childhood, they like Dragonball Super.
(Sry my english isnt flawless, im from germany)
@@yugimuto4746 Did you ever watch the japanese version of Z? Funimation butchered it by turning it into a saturday morning cartoon show.
Yeah but heros has nothing to do with main story other then dragon ball,dragon ball z & dragon ball super & manga currently where super is continuing atm has anything to do with story & characters forms......heros is dope but its all show for fight scenes it's just follows the exnoverse game story has nothing to do with anything for story of dragon ball kinda like towa & mira created for games heros is just what dragon ball would be if they ran with the exnoverse game story & put it into the anime
angry swagkage is one of my favorite things ever
Idk why, but I've watched this video like 5 times this month
Bringing Frieza back - an enemy weaker than an unmastered regular Super Saiyan - as an enemy stronger than a Super Saiyan God with the excuse that he was a lazy bastard who never trained was lame and set the whole tone of the series for me.
clearspira *gohan has entered the lobby*
Hi all my powers where handed to me on silver platter
Bruh I thought I was the only one thinking this. To add to it, where is the justice?? Frieza oppresses then kills all the Saiyans, except a few, and gets to come back as the main character?
& serves as fodder for Goku. Again. Even though Goku got taken out already. By a FUCKING Ray Gun. Like gotdam, can Vegeta beat SOMEBODY???
YogiYetiz_ Simple Is Vegeta or Buu any better? Coz they both kill alot of people and currently ARE one of the main characters
@@XtevenGan No, don't try that. Vegeta and Buu have both had their redemption moments where they eventually fought for something other than theirself. Frieza is still very much evil.
I literally got a headache watching this. I knew Super wasn't perfect, but it's straight up mind-numbing in retrospect.
Moro arc is meh
@@Ade-rg2oc Yeah a villian who is evil for the sake of being evil and someone who wants dragon balls and destruction of everything is new to you?
the fights are good cause of nostalgia and all but ya the writting's pretty terrible. the last 2 bosses zamasu and jiren were beaten by plot devices, a button to summon the omni-king and some op powerup that goku magically happened to get right before he would've otherwise died.
most of the stuff in dragonball z at least had some buildup to it, Vegeta ranting about the legendary super saiyan, Gohan's potential both of those weren't suddenly shoved into the moment with the freeza/cell fights. Most of the stuff in super's just plot device invented within the same episode.
@The Notorious Punk Objectively it sucks, does that make you feel better.
@The Notorious Punk I don't lose sleep over trivial matters such as that. But maybe you do.
Frieza never training until Resurection 'F' I think can be pretty well explained with how he really didn't want to risk being sent to Hell again. Also his power boost after a short time isn't just that he's a prodigy, it's that he is a very mutated member of his race. And Roshi being on the team isn't so crazy if we consider he must've restarted his own training at some point so he could help his students instead of just staying in the background. This training would probably have had to have started around the Saiyan Saga, and by the time of Frieza's resurrection he had surpassed Yamcha and Chiaotzu.
Goku and Vegeta had 16 years of training yet 4 months was enough to get beaten by Frieza
Yeah that was dumb.
Goku and Vegeta had 7 years of training yet 24 hours was enough to get EASILY surpassed by Mystic Gohan, and to this day nostalfanZ cal, it "peak Gohan's character" lmao
you have to keep in mind that a few minutes before, a kamehameha from goku blue was able to damage zamasu at a cellular level and break his "immortality", yet a final kamehameha from vegitto blue couldnt even scratch zamasu...that makes vegittos return even more dissapointing
Yes that why manga is better because vegito was destroying zamasu and merged zamasu didn't even scarth vegito in manga
@Noah Dickerson super in a nutshell
@Noah Dickerson "goku was raging idiot meaning he was super strong" are you gonna tell me this isnt every fight in super?
@Noah Dickerson So because he was mad, hes stronger than vegito?
@@DeactivatedAccountButpls-pe8wl by super's logic? Yes absolutely
Swag changed my view of the Goku Black arc.
Trunks was trying to Talk no Jutsu Zamasu.
Thought the same thing. Maybe Trunks was tired of always loosing to Black, started watching Naruto when recovering and thought it will solve the problem. But he doesn't understand how to perform it well so even guy that became genocidal fucktard after watching some caveman MMA for 5 seconds won't change his ways.
Trunks forgot which anime he was in and it shows...
DieGorn1000 damn you made my day lmao
That arc is still overrated
There is no logical explanation in the story as of why he does that. The only reason is because the writers couldn't come up with a way to communicate Trunks' sufferings and how mortals aren't just weak to the audience, other than making him scream it all the time.
Trunks rlly tried to argue with a homeless mental guy like son it ant even worth it
My boi Swagkage spitting the facts here.
LMAO I love hearing Swag rip on DBS.
Datruth Lol
He’s biased he bash on tournaments of power because of to much talking acting like Naruto don’t do that on the regular
@@3rday600 difference is DBS characters talk about useless stuff like "oh he is fast he has surpassed his limit". in naruto they might talk a lot but they mostly talk about interesting things like explaining how a jutsu works or revealing new information like in the sasuke vs itachi fight when they were talking about madara.
Did u rainbow the 2 new units ?
Is that the WHALE?
DBS lacks tension...
I mean, literally everything bad that is happening in DBS can be fixed by Whis and/or destroyed by Beerus so there's literally nothing to worry about :/
Edit: tournament of power is an exceptation
*Looks at Jiren and the ToP*
Beerus can’t beat that.
Aqua Pr The ToP had the most “predictable ending” of all time, BUT. It was extremely well executed given the circumstances, let’s give credit where credit is due- Frieza and Goku taking Jiren off and 17 being the winner literally wasn’t predicted by anyone on youtube, so that was neat.
Also, the Goku Black arc kinda had a way around the whole Beerus and Whis problem with that “gods aren’t allowed to time travel” or some shit
Grosspizzaontheground Okay? My point was that Beerus can’t defeat every enemy in DBS.
Not really, because Beerus and Whis are neutral, and will only help when something that threatens the universe happens. They can't just be called to fix every little problem.
The REAL reason why DBS lacks tension, is sheer bad writing... and power levels, though power levels as they are used today are a result of bad writing.
There's little reason to worry about anything when the characters can reach universal levels with no effort whatsoever, but their opponents are shown to be barely at buu level, and at times the writing is so predictable that you already know what's gonna happen anyways.
Not goku black lol
I have so many memories from dbz, i literally wouldn’t want to rewatch any dbs
Super is overHATED Z is l OVERRATED second Og Dragonball is criminally underrated. Fixed
When goku says "times 10" that means he is using kaio ken 10 times at once.
You guys remember when Hakai used to be really cool?
It was a technique that the Gods of Destruction can do in order to literally DESTROY their enemies! Or at least was, until they turned it into another bland energy attack.
god damn it toppo
@@Th3St4rD0lph1n I think it was him along with one of the Universe 9 assassins who used some energy of their G.O.D. against True Golden Frieza that one time.
In fairness, that was still a cool scene with Freeza overpowering it
@@liyifenn Yeah, it was badass. 👍
At least it has SOME visual distinction to it. Instead of blowing up the rocks in a massive dust explosion, they were disintegrated into purplish-pink dust. That's like, the bare minimum difference, but at least it's something?
“Jiren black would’ve been a problem” wow straight facts
Pretty sure thats Whis Levels of power at that point
Damn
@@mr.preston1632 no
@@mr.preston1632 probably not Whis level but definitely approaching Angel tier in power
@@mr.preston1632 no
Intro 0:00
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Part 5 20:28
Part 6 37:54
*The next part of super is just around the corner"
Video uploaded : 2 years ago
This upload caught me off guard 😂
Ikr😂
Ya cause he fucking fell off and never fucking uploads like he use to he must have forgot how to upload shit
Any of you guys know how Boruto is doing? I honestly stopped caring after ep 64 for a while.
@@tensho7336 its geting better more consistent and deep if you want to know more go check out anime balls deep chanelle but the newist ep was pretty bad he nameds his new vid i might quit boruto but i think you should give it a try
@@litreviews308 Sweet, thank you.
Swagkage: The synopsis makes it sound like Fanfiction.
Me: That's just about sums it up.
I've decided not to finish the anime after watching this.
@@tebogomahlomotja3305 the UI moment is almost worth watching for the chills
@@andresond2 the omen one was pretty cool, mastered not so much
@@teemuk1225 omen so much better visually mastered looks like silver ssj god lmao
@@teemuk1225
I know right, its bleached Goku.
For power scaling, I find it best to think of the numbers in terms of “potential”, but not consistency (like how an amplifier may peak at 1400W but works consistently at 350W). I think the transformations are like certain battle styles, but they come with caveats (like energy consumption). Kinda like how in a real fight you might see the underpowered guy come out on top because he outmatched his opponent in a different way.
Also, they’ve been pretty adamant about how they’re not fighting at 100% for the entirety of any battle, so I think that helps reinforce the idea that power levels are to be taken with a grain of salt.
That doesn’t really work since they always need a new transformation to amp their power level to new heights if they displayed more that the strongest fighter doesn’t always in it would work but they always make the strongest power level win which cheapens the plot because you’ll always know who will come out on top
DBS and GT just feel like fan fics written by a teenager
GT was better though
@@bucascameron super was way better
Super sucks dragon balls
swag: Gives valid critique with strong support and evidence of his claims
fans: I see what you doing... you hating
@ Yeah, I miss back when their lives actually mattered, and not everything led to a massive fight on a universal scale. Not even that, but I miss when Son Goku's *original friends* are just side characters to the kids now. It just makes me sad lol
Look man...I love me some dragonball but I will admit Super has many things that I don’t like.....like the U6 saiyans pulling transformations out of their asses...
You don't need to watch the show with an analytical* eye to see that they absolutely ruined everything about the show that made it enjoyable when you and I were children. Even if you don't care about power scaling, like Swagkage said all throughout the video, it's impossible to get invested into a story where the writers literally didn't care what they were putting out, and where they just made Goku go a different color every time there was any kind of adversity that they couldn't bullshit their way through
I see where you got that from
Well the vast majority of his critisms were the same or didn't make sense, that's why. All he mostly did was complain about powerscaling, pacing, misunderstand the show, or nitpick at small details. He could've made more valid criticisms if he talked about the poor animation, character representation, or other things, but he instead chose to focus on the small parts of the show that no one watches Dragon Ball for anyways. Like, I don't think anyone has expected Dragon Ball Powerscaling to make sense since the Cell Saga, yet he still spends a large amount of time talking about it as if he is making some mind blowing revelations. This doesn't feel like an objective review of Dragon Ball Super like he tried to make it seem in the beginning and from the title. It is just the same as his past videos, where he rants about things based on his misunderstanding of the show, and powerscaling. What I mean by this is that he downplays the cool or important moments of the arc, but magnifies the tinniest nitpicks. He should stick to making Naruto videos, because anytime he strives away from it his videos are just bad.
Video should be retitled to "why dragon ball super doesnt make any sense"
@GoDlyguy-dragonball its now ob cartoon network 😥😫
@@mapalochiwele1734 Wasn't the original DBZ on cartoon netweork too? Anyways, DBS is on Adult Swim, not Cartoon Network.
Swagkage: was it really that bad?
...yes
It’s very evident Swagkage does not understand DB to the extent he understands Naruto.
Frieza was a cool character but now it's hard to be afraid of a bad guy that has lost so many times.
Hard to be afraid of a guy that both Goku Vegeta and arguably Gohan and 17 could all handle pretty easily.
Welll having a bad guy on your team in general makes his value in most stories lower. Once they’ve done that it’s hard to keep him seriously unless he has something up his sleeve.
@@spreadwuvokay Gohan can't handle him, and 17 can't handle him in the manga. in the manga, andriod 17 is only SSJ3 level which makes a lot more sense than him being SSB level.
@@jantheking7028 I don't like Gohan's power scaling but he was swapping hands with Dyspo who Frieza was having trouble with, and Gohan claimed he'd take Frieza out himself. It's very debatable is what I'm saying. In the anime 17 is just as debatable. When I said pretty easily I meant Goku and Vegeta, I should have established that better. I don't know enough about the manga to make a case though so I'll take your word for it. Point is it's a bit hard to be afraid of Frieza. Especially now that mui and fusion is a thing.
yeah but the thing is frieza is slippery and can backstab the heroes at any given moment, especially how he nearly did it almost four times in the TOP
he also caused DBS broly to happen
Dragonball Super lacks one major thing that Dragonball, Dragonball Z, and Dragonball GT had. Tension.
There is no reason to be concerned for any of these characters in Super. Whis has the temporal do-over thing so when Goku and Vegeta make a mistake he just reverses said mistake, Zeno is on speed dial so even if the heroes lose Goku can just call on Zeno and have him delete the enemy, and the final antagonist of the show is nothing more than a walking power level and not actually evil.
We had villains like Mercenary Tao, King Piccolo and his son (who eventually turned good), Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Zarbon, The Ginyu Force, Frieza, The Androids (Including Cell), Majin Buu, and yes even the Shadow Dragons with their leader Omega Shenron that gave us some sort of tension. You don't feel any worry in Super, and if there is some worry it's just completely manufactured. Like with the Universal Survival Arc, it was made completely useless when 17 wished back every single universe that Zeno destroyed....so what was the fucking point of the tournament anyway? To have two little fucking psychopathic god kids just erase universes for fun?
I also completely disagree with you when it comes to Jiren. You compared him to a brick wall, and that's the problem. He's merely an object that's powerful. His backstory is awful and we have had characters who were incredibly strong but were also fleshed out. People shit on Syn/Omega Shenron for being a terrible character, but at least even with the bad writing of GT Omega Shenron still had a reason for "being". Jiren really doesn't in the grand scheme. He has no character to him.
don't forget, it happens before ubb and goku fly off, no reason to feel like they would lose, at all.
Simpleton Apollo dragon ball didn’t have tension either every time someone died they got revived from the dragon balls
Dragon ball/Z/GT was a aimed at teens/adults Super is aimed at kids with a hint of nostalgia for OG viewers who don't care enough to see this shit show as it is.
In the begging I thought the grand priest would end up being an enemy and that would have been cool but I guess not dbz isnt for story tho its the same thing as watching one piece at this point
Because they got stronger, like it was scary knowing if universe 7 would win because they made jiren so op seeing goku use his blue form with koyoken x20 wasn't good enough had me worried
I just wanna say, frieza doesn't lose his power level, because he's a special race i assume he did train a little bit but other than that he cant lose his own power level.
One thing i could never forgive in super is that they finally let Vegeta get his revenge for Frieza for once, But then there's an asspull where Frieza just punches the ground and suddenly the earth explodes out of the blue and in the end Goku stole Vegeta's Kill like wtf all those things was completely unnecessary to begin with, They could've just removed that and it would've stayed the same and fans would've loved it more
Am I the only one who noticed him say fiancé not girlfriend? Well anyway!! Congratulations swagkage!!!
EDIT: didn’t expect to get this many likes!! Once again congrats swagkage!
Yeah, found it annoying. Like how TF is his Fiancee related to any of this?
Jealous
whales312 no btw Congrats swagkage from us fans
Damn bruh lonely much?
@@thewarrior4724 What kind of weird ass mindset must you have to think THAT when mentioned how he watched an anime with his fiance?
You missed one very important point...How the hell did Vegeta not know that Goku had trained to get kaioken blue when he literally spent 3 years straight with him in the time chamber?!!! That was just prior to them going to the tournament too!
I guess that since it had 1/10 of chance to even survive turning it on, he didn't literally train Kaioken. He probably just was doing normal training and hoped that his body is strong enough.
@@Reality-Distortion still stupid
DieGorn1000 How would he know that it was a 1/10 chance to survive if he never used it? If he never used it how would he know he could even do it in the first place? If he did use it and stopped it still doesn’t explain how the hell he found out it was 1/10. If he would have just said it just puts a lot of strain on my body I would be cool, but he doesn’t. I haven’t watched super fully so if this was explained my bad.
@@dylanparrott8164 this isnt explained in super its explained in z when goku fights pikkon he uses super kaioken which he said almost killed him and if he tried it with a stronger transformation he would die
@@dylanparrott8164 I mean, I guess that's how training any kamikadze technique works. Look at 8 gates from Naruto. How do they know they can perform it if they can do it once per life and die?
Although I have no idea how would he calculate 1/10. Notice that few episodes earlier we've seen how Goku sucks at math soooo... yeah xD It's nothing but fake tension, something what DBS throws all over the place.
I’ve always wondered why they wouldn’t of just done the god transformation on all the saiyans, put Trunks and Goten in the time chamber for 48 hours and used them instead of Krillin and Tien in the tournament of power
Goku already said that they couldn't use the boys because they weren't experienced enough fighters. There's a lot of strategy and intelligence that goes into the ToP. Not just brute strength
"The idea of a person who thinks hes righteous but is a monster" *cough cough light yagami
That's basically humans
But his better written than Zamasu
@@PanPickle095 BRUH ZAMASU WAS WRITTEN PERFECTLY LIGHT SUCKS DEATH NOTE IS SO BAD DBS IS THE BEST THING EVER AFTER DRAGON BALL HEROES FUCK YOU ALLL
@@tm8089 How old are you?
@@PanPickle095 probably 10
Edit: thanks for 100+ likes fellow swaggers
Unpopular opinion:
Gohan black would have been a better choice villain instead of goku black. Everyone always likes to throw the word "potential" around, how he has the most (despite never living up to it outside Z) but with that said if zuno told zamasu to change bodies with gohan, he actually grinded and got his body into a peak apex state he could've been a much more dangerous enemy. Trunks would have had to fight a dark evil version of his former mentor and best friend, and goku would have had to fight a dark twisted version of his son
That's... honestly a pretty sweet idea. Now I've got a new fanfiction concept to work with. :)
Gohan over a SSB?
Nah, wouldn't make sense.
But, yeah, it sounds more interesting regardless of power logic.
@@michaelford8017 Gohan has the potential to surpass both Goku and Vegeta if he focused. Vegeta said so himself before the Tournament of Power, and everyone even said that Gohan can definitely get stronger than Goku on a number of occassions if he trained. So, yeah, I think he could surpass SSB easily.
@@TheWriteFiction im abt 2 report ur comment plz delete that b.s
@@spddr4 Because I'm right? Or because I'm making a comment about an idea? Don't be like that, man.
that android 17 vs goku fight was garbage.. there is no way 17 should be able to go toe to toe with ssb goku 🤦🏽♂️
U know that he can train and get stronger...
ok but who did he train with? the animals 😂🤔 and last time I checked goku training was way more intense than 17
Jay 7 he don’t be mean to not FBI.
Just because your anonymous doesn’t mean that you have to act like your word is the gospel everyone agrees with you and if they don’t everyone thinks there dumb.
Forgive English
@@Jay-go2in then how he became stronger then he was on cell sega?
@@Jay-go2in did it came form the air
I honestly have soured on Super since it ended and I've had time to think about the series. The only things it really did right were the movies, the concept of Goku/Vegeta being somewhat comparable in power instead of an unclosable gap between them (SSJ3 vs SSJ2), and the *idea* behind Goku Black/Evil Supreme Kai (not the execution).
i just realized something: Zamazsu wanted to wipe out all mortals but he partnered himself with a mortal.
Vegito brings this up and then zamasu says some shit about how he always planned that and vegito sighs and is like "well you have an answer for everything dont you..."
@@MindAndMythI mean if you want to answer with the I don’t know how to read what is actually canonical.
Both of you are stupid. Op for not realizing that he teamed up with a mortal.
Second dude for not actually know what happened between gomasu and vegito
I can answer all your questions with one phrase “plot armor”
Ultra Plot Armor
This is a answer to almost every battle shounen series ever made.
@@animatedmvs8818 fr
@@PanPickle095 Nah ITS ULTRA PLOTINSTINCT ARMOR.
I was just on a swagkage marathon then swag drops a 40min video. Let’s go!!
Edit: Also swag, perhaps I’m late to the party, but I noticed you referred to your SO as fiancée and not girlfriend like in your past videos. Congrats my guy!
A Swagathon
glad im not the only one that noticed that he said "fiance" and not "girlfriend", congrats bruh
He said it in video debunking screenrant's list about 20 characters who can beat Sasuke. It was said when he was reading Sakura's section (nr 4).
Congratulations swag
karatevaldi swagthon sounds better to me
Theres always small things that grind my gears with dragonball but I still love it.
“So I guess he’s a Super-Duper prodigy”
“If he’s a Super-Duper prodigy, I’ll have to find a way to become a Super DEE Duper prodigy”
You forgot to mention that had the fusion not been retconned, that scene where Kibito and Shin defused by wishing for it a few episodes prior would've been excellent foreshadowing. They could've fused, beat Zamasu, then wondered "what now" and everyone's like "guess they'll have to get used to living together..." And then Shin could've exclaimed "WAIT! You can just use the dragon balls to defuse, like me and Kibito!" Would've been a far better solution to the arc.
Duh. That's why people hate that retcon.
@@buster3041 theres more reasons to hate the retcon than just that but yeah
@@kendukin9725 I know there's more but when you boil everything together this is the key point.
@@kendukin9725
Like the fact we could've had a mini-arc starring Vegeth and the goodies, in which they search a db set to defuse the former, and it could be a wacky adventure for wathever reason....
It wasn't retconned though. It was never explained as to why Vegito separated inside of buu. And this excuse fit. Only Kias can use the potaras permanently.
Anime 101: a background character explains what you see...but you can already see it.
Shounen 101 to be honest, in my opinion Fate is one of the only shounen where this doesn't get out of hand. It's either having characters explain the most obvious shit, going 'this isn't even my full power, watch THIS!' or 'Oh you blocked my *whatever I just did*, in this case I'm gonna counter with THIS!'. ALWAYS in almost EVERY shounen type anime...
@Darth Shady But they did and it was a problem...
The problem of adapting a manga where that is sometimes necessary, to an anime where you can see it happening so description isn't needed as much. (Even though Super's anime and manga go at completely different paces?)
this is called "writing on the nose"
speedwagon 101
Goku i have achieved ultra instinct (after the arc): can’t even use it
I NEEDED a fightbetween 'this guy' you mentioned at the end of the vid and Gohan. The saiyaman outfit didn't need to come out but some poser shit and respect between the 2 would have been epic
Just gonna throw this out there...
Episode 18 is lowkey the the most fun Dragon Ball Super episode. Don't @ me
i can agree with this
Episode 70 wants to talk with you
Ep 18 was a waste of time lmao what a moron
@@sikisikiamimis just like stating your opinion because you don't like their opinion and then insulting them on what they liked just like a scatter brain.
Yup and ep70
You cannot compare dragonball super to dragonball z. Be serious. Super is just a cash grab for kids .
Like boruto
Kinda, that's why I rather read the manga instead of the anime
db z was also bad in my opinion.
@@RaptureHead1993 agree
@@milanbucan6469 dbz wasnt bad it was ok but it got bad towards the end but at least we have the Og dragon ball which is good
We watch dragon ball, dragon ball z and GT and no time they mentioned Bulma have a sister then Dragon ball super came and boom Bulma have a sister 😂😂😂
This has to be a different timeline
In attempted defense of trunks being so powerful and having super saiyan rage
I was always under the impression that there was more training with Vegeta than what was originally shown, I always assumed that they had much more rigorous training where Vegeta must have been going all out in blue and trunks must have been struggling to catch up
That's why I always thought super Saiyan rage was potentially when a half saiyan has God ki
But that's just my wild theory and it's never been confirmed nor denied and if they really wanted to go with something like that they should have actually explained it
the whole concept of training with someone strong to become as strong as them doesn’t make sense anyway. no offence tho
Piccolo beated 2nd form freeza and fought 17 on equal terms yet after 10 years of training he lost to a guy who had a powerlevel close to zarbon...
My Drowld how do you know his power was close to Zarbon lol he looked like him but we never got to see them actually fight lol
@@salt4024 His attack got him what else is there to say.....
My Drowld who’s attack that Zarbon Guy and Piccolo didn’t even fight
+Salt: they were talking abt Shisami in the Res F movie and Tagoma in the anime. In both versions, Sorbet says they are as strong as Dodoria and Zarbon were and in both versions Piccolo gets owned by them. Tagoma makes SLIGHTLY more sense bc he trained with Frieza but even then SSJ Gohan was able to defeat him easily sooo
@@tiablue9106"Trained" with frieza
Nobody:
Zamasu: n i n g e n
Omg 😂
I could listen to Swag talk about stuff I don't know anything about for days
Despite the huge amount of problems it had… I really liked the goku black arc. It was tournament of power when all the power scaling issues finally broke me and I dropped the series
Bro what??? For power scaling lol u gotta be crazy the fights were awesome the characters were cool and new form like u are one weirdo bro anime is a cartoon you guys are so nerdy like nit picking every shit the show is literally new enemy i get new form or stronger i win so its not that deep its just fun idk why u dropped it lol the manga was way better than the anime u should read it
nostalfanZ really be like
"I hate how power scale worked in T.o.P. because watching weak characters handle weak opponents while strong characters handle strong opponets is just stupid"
and then say
"no yeah, Tien obliterating Semi-Perfect Cell out of existance (something not even Full power Piccoro could canonically do to his first form) was peak DB. We need more moments like that"