Why Phrozen 8K 3D Printers Are Amazing For Wargaming Minatures! - Phrozen 8k Mighty
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Thank you for your review, I have a Phrozon 8k Mighty coming soon and it’s my first 3d printer. Thanks to your Phrozon reviews is why I decided to go with Phrozon 8k Mighty as my first ever printer, can’t wait to print with it
I love my Phrozen printers. I hear their Customer Service may be a nightmare to deal with but the printers themselves are workhorses. I also like that Phrozen doesn't just build 3d printers for hobbyists but for actual industry uses as well.
I e-mailed customer service with a question last Friday and got an answer back Monday. Haven't had to return the printer (still waiting till September for it) but I hope it's that easy.
Nice video. Will definitely have to keep an eye on this brand. Would love to see those minis painted up after the printed out so great. Keep up the good work.
Been using Elegoo for all my 3D printing hobby time, but the Phrozen do look fantastic. Great video 😁
I felt comfortable pre-ordering the 8k Mighty after seeing your video about the 8k mini last year. Now with this video I am so happy with my purchase, thanks for these reviews
thank you Luke, your total right I am enjoying my 8k mini so much :)
You are very right, my first 3D machine was the PHROZEN 8K MINI, and now I use it to print my miniatures every day too！Now I feel like I don't need to buy the model anymore, I can just print it myself, thank you for sharing
Really great video as always Luke 😊 Will be looking at 3D printers really soon so great to hear your opinions
There may be no bias, but I do get concerned about perspective. Saying a $900 printer that costs $280 to ship is a great deal, sorry that is way too expensive for an improvement in quality I will never notice on the gaming table or even on display. The Elegoo Mars 2 Pro (newer than my printer) is $250 with free shipping on Amazon and, other than being smaller, it works great. When you pay for this stuff yourself, you have a completely different perspective on these printers. I just see no reason to spend over $1200 (once tax is included) for a level of detail I will likely never notice, a level of reliability I already get and a speed of print I really, as a person doing this for a side hobby, don't need. And I have been printing with that little printer for over 2 1/2 years now and it is still going strong.
I'd also like to add the resin costs twice as much so you spend a lot more as you print.
thank you ,i think the youtubers are missing this whole point ,they have forgot where the came from ...............its only $899 the price of 4 tanks of gas
I think it depends what you’re after. The detail you get on these printers is insane. If you’re just after stuff that looks good at over arms length away on the table, then this isn’t what you’re after. If you’re wanting to print detailed stuff for painting display type stuff, then you want the best quality printer you can get.
@@ThePickleJar it’s the cost that is insane! Maybe if your business is reliant on high spec printing then £800+ is a justifiable cost that you can write off against business expenses but for the average hobbyist (or even the most anally challenged nerd) it just doesn’t stack up. Luke should remember that his original CZcams was Luke’s Affordable Painting - the 4K printers are just about becoming affordable - but the 8Ks are not
@@stevieandthebarbies yeah I get you. Just trying to add that perspective if you get what I mean
nice review .. i remember when you first got your first resin printer
you have fitted them into your channel nice now lol
Another great video Mr Luke, cheers 😍
The picture error and print time error seem to be Lychee related from what I read, and they are aware and working on it. Chitubox seems to be unaffected but I don't have my Mighty 8k's yet so I can't comment on it for sure, just what I read :) Thanks for the video.
i choose the Mars 3 Pro, its insane how good it prints. Love we have so many good printers, i used to play with resins but standard grey just works for me, just stick with what works for you and from hearing bad things from phrozon im happy to hear your having great results!
I just got the printer you reviewed and I'm also a big Seraphon fan so this is an awesome video for me.
The elegoo Saturn S straight out of the box and using the standard grey resin (cheap) has been a game changer for me, I’ve got the mini 4k too but that’s now gathering dust.
Great review Luke
Thanks lad, nice to have a no bs review that we can make a good decision on :D
These 8K big printers are the way to go if you can afford them. I have mini 4K, print quality is exceptional, but I miss bigger plate size... Might sell it to get Mighty 8K or Saturn 2...
I ordered mine a week or so ago, September delivery. Pretty excited, but it's 4k printing till then.
Their shipping prices are absolutely insane! I’d like to get one, but $250+ for shipping is too much :(
Thanks for the review, I have just received my Mighty 8K and cant wait to get printing, as its my first resin printer I was intrigued with your post printing washing method that you were using to remove the supports.
I noticed what appeared to be steam/vapour? coming off the container you were washing in.
Were you just washing the prints in hot water to remove the supports?
Appreciate any advice.
Will be definitely looking into one of these. I have an anycubic photon mono, can barely use it now. Dropped the build plate and only just found out that'll warp it and there's a slither out of the screen in one corner, still seems to work but i've had no patience to try it since getting a replacement build plate. Got a board that needs some scatter terrain though so best to give it a look. As soon as they're in Aus again i'll jump on the 8k and forget the mono exists lol
Hi, there. Unless the build plate it visibly bent, you should be able to flatten it. in this video, under preparing your build plate (at 3:53), it explains how this can be done. whambamsystems.com/fbs-for-resin-support. Hope this helps.
I really want a resin printer but with the cost of living in the UK at the moment, there's no way im getting one any time soon.
The result is that I'm having to buy a few minis here and there which makes saving for the printer even less likely.
I get way jealous when I see the minis you're putting out. Great work!
I've had 2 phrozen printers...both had severe build quality issues, and when I tried to contact their customer service they blamed me for the mechanical issues and refused to honour warranty. I purchased the two z rail upgrade kits even though I proved that my units were faulty and needed them, and one of the upgrade kits was also manufactured incorrectly - I brought this up to them and...they blamed me for not installing it correctly and refused to honour warranty. It's funny how all these issues are "caused by me" despite the fact that I have had 5 other printers and never had issues with them. But yeah, guess I don't know what I'm doing.
I had a friend who did manage to get them to honour warranty, but wanted him to pay for shipping for replacement parts.
I will never buy phrozen again. Worst customer service by far.
I’ve got the mini 4K and recently upgraded to the Saturn S which I just can’t get enough of, and replacement parts are so much cheaper too.
@@markedwards2607 i just bought a used salvage mars 3 to replace my original mars and just had to replace the fep absolutely great printer so ar plan on buying a saturn 2 when I get a chance.
Australia has very good consumer laws for this shit . Try your government equivalent
What are your printer settings/exposure times for the 8k resin at 0.03 layer height? I find the resin quite brittle but you mentioned it was quite flexible and durable so I'd be interested to find what's working for you!
Thank you so much for your review! Could you please way in, I am torn between the 8k and the M3 Photon Ultra. Since you use both, which one do you prefer? Which one would you recommend over the other? I want to print mainly Miniatures but some bigger terrain would be amazing too! Any help would be imensly appreciated!
I started with Phrozen gear because they were/are the most reasonably priced. I still use it because of the great quality of prints though. I would still recommend upgrading the fep but that's likely for all 3d printers. I too am a die hard Phrozen fan now.
Have you ever posted your chitubox/lychee settings for your Phrozen printers? That's the last remaining frustration for me. Finding "the best" settings for these things. I've even stuck with Phrozen resin to make the experiments simpler. I know you've only been asked this like a million times ....
Great video Luke... much appreciated
@@GeekGamingScenics awesome. Thanks a million man
Hi.. Do you think the 8K Mini would be sufficient for printing jewelry designs for casting production? Thank you very much!
Wish I could afford a printer! Looks like a brilliant hobby
curious if you were sent one of the Elegoo Saturn 2 8k printers... I recently pre-ordered it and wonder what your thoughts are. Keep up the great content!
Bought me one of these too. I‘m quit curious wether it is better then the Phrozon one, or not.
@@kevinschwager4327 the phrozen has more features but is also more expensive.
The prints that come off both will be nearly identical though, theres very little difference between printers mechanically speaking.
Great video. It just convinced me to get my own printer instead of buying from someone else. However. What is your current opinion?
I totally agree with you. Reliability isn't negotiable. Have you tried the saturn 2 or any other printer that you consider decent? In my country I currently have 2 options either around 1k usd for the mighty 8k and the curing and washing station VS 600-700 usd for a saturn 2.
Have you tested any other printer that you consider RELIABLE? or the mighty 8k is just a no Brainer?
Thanks in advance for the time to reply this
If you're having issues with print times, move into TSMC. It's a feature that I see not get talked about enough. You can also do the "maths," and add a compensation to the print time estimation (albeit I'm now thinking that may just be Chitu, but maybe Lychee has it)
Cheers Luke ,
~Luv~Luv~Luv~
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The Elagoo Saturn 2 has the exact same specs and costs $540 - and ships earlier.
@@GeekGamingScenics got a saturn and a mars never had a prob and the saturn was the early bird so it a ver 1 ,still working
I myself haven't had much luck with elegoo printers so I tend to steer clear of them anymore. Obviously, that's just my bad luck as many others are happy with the brand, which is fine. This printer is technically only $600, but sadly the s/h from them is extremely expensive. Hopefully they get more stock built up in the US and other countries to help alleviate that issue.
@@MrNickpeck36 pls stop the sales pitch my god its just sad "technically"..... in fact its $899........................
@@warshak11 I got both of mine for $600 ($829 w/ an added bundle items and discount code), looks like the last promo is over, so yes, it is now $899. Not including the ridiculous s/h cost from them though, so expect another $2-400 sadly. I have had good luck with Anycubic printers though, they have been pretty solid, though I just sold off my x2 6k monos and x2 M3 Plus printers to pay for other stuff recently. Wash n Cure XL is a great setup as well imo.
I have had good luck with my Elagoo Mars and my Anycubic 6K so far. Hope to see people do comparison videos between the Might 8K and the Saturn 2
Thanks for the video Luke - Its been very informative and help me out in starting my journey with Resin printing. Im having issues with trying to get it to print at 0.03 and would be interested to see what your setting are and whats working for you.. Could you share Pretty Please. Pulling my hair out here as a newbie. haha
The fact that you like Phrozen must be because you get them for FREE. Phrozen is one of the most expensive and over-priced printer companies "a little more expensive" - Almost as bad as Prusa (but they are just crazy expensive). Personally I use and love a bunch of Anycubic printers mostly as they are a ton cheaper and since they are going to need part replacements those are even cheaper than most, and they are all amazing as far as print quality. Don't really need 8k in my honest opinion unless you are doing contest pieces or maybe for high-end selling, but most prints I sell are 4K not 8K. Also, the build plate for the Phrozen series has a terrible adhesion issue, and I have actually seen a few reviews that have shown how to sand the build plates down to make them work. These are over-priced and there are better and just as good machines for less. $1,000 for the mighty, or $700 for the mini vs $500 - $600 for an equivalent printer. I mean I get it, you get them for free so of course they are great, but for those of us that have to go out and buy them Phrozen needs to come down on price a bit. Plus from what I hear customer support is horrible.
I agree. Its easier to talk good about a printer when you don't have to pay 800$ for it. If he had to pay the full price for the printer maybe then the reviews would account for the price vs what you get
What are peoples personal experience with the Anycubic Photon Mono X 6k?
I've purchased one but haven't been able to use it just yet due to trying to sort out the hobby/PC area.
Do you have any recommendations for the best resin to use etc?
I have that printer, and I can tell you, do upgrade your Firmware. I've bought it to use with the eco resin they made. Its cheap and good
How did you figure out your resin setting? I’m using siraya tech fast navy grey
I’m so ready to take the plunge into an 8k
What are you using to clean your minis again after your print them?
How do you get 3d models map to print 3d models? Are they copyrighted? Or you taking a 3d picture of the model to get the ability to print it? Do you have the CZcams video on how to get 3d model maps for popular games ie Warhammer 40k.
If you can put it in blender then you can 3D print it
Lately your channel is reminding me of an infomercial.
What software do you guys use to create your designs?
I'd love one but just don't know where I'd put it/set it up xD
Been watching a few reviews of these, I would like to see how well the resin is on durability. I have been considering one, but I got the Phrozen Transform and it was a nightmare getting that to work, had to replace the motherboard and the power system with well under 50 hours printed, and only a few successful prints, even with Phrozen's resin at the time. It was documented but it still took me almost 9 months to get replacement parts. So leery on it.
Resin is not durable to the point where its rubbery like reaper bones. Its a hard plastic, and most brands are a little brittle. However you can offset this with different options like Siraya tech tenacious. Mixing it 1:10 ratio. My personal results come from using the tenacious with fast navy grey. -- Note that adding tenacious to any mix is well tenacious. It makes support removal slightly more difficult.
Pass on the phrozon 8k mighty if you're just printing miniatures and you're not working against the deadline. Go with the elegoo saturn 2 if you want something much more affordable, with an even bigger build volume than the phrozone mighty. + its half the price.
@@gremilllion started messing with Tenacious recently, it really helps to keep models from just snapping while working on them. Really glad I tried it out as durability was my biggest concern with resin models.
@@demon1103 I find that any more than 10% in volume makes removing supports too difficult especially with spindly bits.
@@gremilllion yeah, about 10% is what I'm doing. removing supports is a "little" more effort than before, but not a lot. Then again a soak in hot water is just magic for support removal.
What are u doing with the water you used to get rid of the Supports? Can u just Drain it down the sink ? Or What are u doing with it ? Got my printer yesterday but dont now What to Do with the water.
Greets and thank u !
@@GeekGamingScenics Dosnt evaporating just work with isopropanol?
Water must take weeks in such an amount or am i wrong ? :)
@@leeerbro5460 The way I do it is pretty simple, I dump my ultrasonic wash water in a big bucket and let it sit in the sun for a few days. At this point you can just sift / pick out the resin plastic and toss it in the trash since it's cured, as for the water, it's safe to dump it as it's just "dirty water" at this point. But don't be lazy and do it correctly as you can mess up plumbing and add nasty stuff to the local waste / water treatment plant :)
@@leeerbro5460 I think letting a decent amount of alcohol evaporate into the air is not exactly better than pouring resin down the sink.
@@oliverp3545 Care to back that statement up with some science?
@@archdeluxe290 ethanol evaporated into the environment produces nitrous oxides, which creates ozone.
I believe you might be confusing pixel size with layer height. layer hight depends on the motor resolution and I believe most of the printer say they can achieve 0.01 mm if I´m not mistaked. however 0.02 or 0.03 mm layer height have very good detail. layer height gives you the detail on the Z axis, but the detail on the XY plane is given by the pixel size. so screen size do matter. the smaller the pixel the more detail and less lines you might see on the figure. People normally think its all about resolution, but pixel size is the key. and printer companies normally don´t mention this T_T
This right here is the stuff its best to look at pixel size I think thats why dlp printers can get such high resolution you take a 2k projector and project that onto a 4"x3" area and you can get extreme amounts of pixels per inch.
It's often said that 3D printing is a separate but complimentary hobby, there's a lot to learn and it's not just plug and play. By the tone of the review it sounds like these are getting close to that plug and play reality, how accurate is that impression? I'd always rather be painting than dicking about with printer settings, but I still dream of printing myself up a Mordheim or a Marienburg some time. I just know that if I hit an inch of resistance there's a good chance the printer stays downstairs gathering dust forevermore.
the new slicing software along with the tech upgrades have made it easy to just hit auto support and just slice and plug and play. It's really alot easier than two years ago I can tell you that and lychee slicer has a lot of community profiles for different resins to get started with you spend a good 3 or 4 hours watching youtube vids and read a bit and you can learn all you need to get started.
It isn't a separate hobby at all, resin printers are super easy to use. My Mars 3 was great right out of the box. Dudes will call 3D printing another hobby then turn around and switch on their compressor and extractor fan just so they can save some time basecoating with an airbrush.
It's also worth noting that Phrozen printers come from Taiwan, not China, if that sort of thing matters to you.
Shipping to my country costs the same as the printer. Also I got original Phrozen Sonic mini 4k, it wasnt working properly (led array and screen were not conntected to the board properly). After correcting that I discovered really wobbly Z axis. Overall wouldnt recommend their products based on my experience, however I'm cautious that they are improving with each printer.
I have Mini 4K, that Z axis was a problem, but as far as I know, they started shipping it with upgraded Z axis some time ago (original is just two alu-plate connected at 90°, new one is milled from one piece and rail is upgraded to mgn15h). I just lowered lifting speed to 40 and didn't have problem so far, no matter how tall model is
@@GeekGamingScenics no problem, glad I could help. One more thing with these high resolution printers, maybe try to do comparison between 0.05, 0.03 and 0.02 mm layer because, at least to me (4k resin), it doesn't look like much of a difference, but time savings are massive (tried it for myself and didn't see much of a difference between 0.05 and 0.02 if object has organic geometry),
Look at elegoo's saturn 2 its 8k and much cheaper.
Thank you for this thoughtful review - often you see other reviews just show the raw resin print, which is not so useful for miniature painters. Great to see the detail hold up after you primed the figures.
I bought a Saturn S recently but haven't had a chance to try it yet, partly because I've been busy but also partly because Elegoo didn't have one of the resins I ordered in stock so they decided to just not send me any resins (even the one that I ordered that was in stock), and they made no contact with me to let me know about the problem. I only found out after about 2 weeks of waiting because I emailed them to see what was happening, after me giving them a few choice words they eventually apologised and got my resins out to me along with a free 1kg water washable resin in way of an apologie for the inconvienience/hassle, but the thing is as much as I appreciate the free bottle of resin, like you say reliability is the key thing, whether it's the machines or the service I wanna know that I'm not setting myself up for a headache later. fingers crossed mine doesn't go the same way your Elegoos have gone.
siraya tech is nice i just didnt care for the elegoo brand
I've never had a problem with my elegoo printers.
@@samellowery i m sorry if my other comment came off as p*ssy i had be awake about 30 sec with sleep still in my eye and so use to getting jump on in the comments i went straight for defence
Yo killer!!! What settings do you use for 8k printer resin and 32mm minis
@@GeekGamingScenics thanks Luke. Appreciate it
Can I start the print and leave for work or do I need to be present the whole printing process?
Yes, but I would make sure you know what you're doing before just starting a print and leaving it. I usually start a print after work or before bed and shut the machine off in the morning.
Been thinking on trying another printer , I bought one from Anycubic ( Photon 4k ) as a first printer but haven't been able to get it to work at all and have been fighting it for over a couple or so weeks . I regret even looking at the thing and want to throw it in the trash . I have seen a couple Vids saying Phrozen has been easier to use and I still would like to get a printer but now i'm a bit gun shy about the whole thing . All I wanted was something to build model parts and nothing big that my daughter and I can work on over the winters . But again I dont want to go through the mess Im dealing with over this first printer I picked up and don't know what to really get
Just my 2 cents here but if you're having issues with your mono 4k, that you can't seem to fix and printing has been a terrible experience for you. I Suggest you spend more time watching tutorials on how to fix your mono 4k issues and get that to print right in the first place. Buying a phrozen isn't going to magically fix stuff when stuff needs fixing. You need to know how to troubleshoot issues in this hobby or have someone close by that can offer assistance. A Phrozen machine isn't guaranteed to work flawlessly 24/7. I have a mono 4k too, and im buying a mighty 8K because Im realy hooked on printing and want better resolution and a bigger build volume.
@@SCABRFB So after 3 weeks they finally sent me an update , now the printer is finally up and running . In the meantime I bought the Mars Pro and that worked right out of the box like clockwork . And I was studying these way before I ever bought any of them Watched every Tutorial Till I Was Blue In The Face from watching everything that looked reasonable lol . I didn't jump in with calibration test I went full bore and used SirayaTech Clear resin and full plates multiple times and they all turned out perfect from the first . But it was a toss up between all the printers to buy and jumped into the 4k Photon just to try it out due to the price being less than 200. . But now as it is the 4k Is packed away as a backup . I still hate it with a passion cause from a company I would have expected something to work right out of the box for someone to learn and get started . I couldn't even get the thing to read anything off the USB . Put it in the PWMA file but nothing . So disappointing , and frustrating . I still would like to try the Phrozen , is was a tough choice . Then I seen they had a Creality HALOT-ONE Plus also that was 4k . But I have what I have and the final decision was in the Mars 3 Pro the sales add said will work with Lychee . And even before owning a printer I again had already downloaded Chitubox and Lychee to learn before I buy . I found Lychee so much easier for me . But one thing is for sure I was ready to throw in the towel after weeks and just give up on this hobby before I gave it one last try . Now I am trying to figure out what are the resins , what do each type do . What is the best or mixed , what is something a person can get cheaper that will do the same job . And lots of stuff to learn . Now I have my Autistic daughter learning with me . That was the whole reason I even got into the printer so I could get her engaged as she is getting older . Then this way we can build models and craft together as winter sets in .Anyways thanks for the two cents worth . Every bit can help , I live in an area where nobody messes around with this stuff and to find anyone best case is 60 miles away .
I am a 3D printing novice, but I am really impressed by the Phrozen Mini (not even 4K, just the basic one).
i just bought a SM8K it should be here tomorrow. i cant use it until my screen saver gets here in a week though:(
When you said "Ogre model" I was expecting a cybertank the size of a building. Wrong Ogre.
WRT the lychee problem! I thought I saw that "3D Printer Pro" say that the Chinese company that produce the vast majority of the motherboards for 3D Printers have something to do with Chitubox and have therefore locked out Lychee/locked in Chitubox in their software...
I am would like to buy a Phrozen mighty 8k but I am looking for %off the price… Perhaps on next black Friday 🤔 Thanks you for sharing your expérience 👍
New elegoo Saturn 2...would be nice a comparison
No wifi :(
Side note, Luke, you look like your loosing weight. Good on you, your health is important in keeping you online brother, especially with diabetes. I know, I have it also. As always, great video...I'm considering this as my first printer. Thanks for everything you do!!!
Can you edit out the inhales ? After every sentence there's a *shuuuup* 😂
Good video other than that. Thank you
Nice to see you without the hat!
But it’s not really affordable, is it? Great for you getting one for free but for the ‘man in the street’ £800+ is probably not feasible
The one Phrozen printer costs less then the two useless mono x printers collecting dust in my basement.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial well you can send them to me if its just collecting dust
@@warshak11 why would you want 2 broken printers that don’t work properly? Parts to fix cost almost as much as a new printer.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial one mans trash is another mans treasure ,and i like to tinker on stuff
@@warshak11 so you’d rather pay shipping prices on a broken machine, and buy parts that in total would cost more than just buying a good new printer? Good logic.
#Jelly, ordered an 8k mini Oct last year(21), was recently informed it's shipping was being pushed again by another month (Aug22) and opted for a refund instead. #sad....
Buyer beware! these might have brittle LCD's. Mine chipped on the first failed print and phrozen is refusing to file a warrantee claim for it.
Airbrush or 3d Printer?
Both
If you're in the same situation as me: start with an airbrush ;-) then buy a 3d printer... the airbrush will help you deal with that huge pile of shame whereas the 3d printer will add new minis to paint... so start with the airbrush
@@jonathanj.1955 That is a fantastic point I've got far to many projects left to do so a 3D printer is a silly idea lol
@@jonathanj.1955 yes this, I'm guilty of doing it the other way around, I've made hundreds of minis and barley chipped at them until I got an airbrush, now I'm tackling a "Seraphon" army that is just OPR plus dino toys, it's 80 models made much easier to chip the processes down due to an airbrush.
I'd use something if I got it for free too
ive heard bad things about every printer out there, no matter the brand. its as safe as a stab in the dark
Isnt that the truth!
All these printers use the same parts. Theres almost no difference between a phrozen / elegoo / anycubic printer of the same screen size and resolution.
I don't really care in miniature 3d printing. I am way more interested in terrain printing. I am looking forward resin printing for those as I can't stand the printing lines.
I wonder if it can be done with this machine.
@@GeekGamingScenics Sweet ! Can't wait to see that !
"I've never been paid, I just get sent everything for free and have no bias." Um, dude, that is NOT how bias works :/ At all.
When ALL the companies you compare are giving you the stuff for free it levels the playing field and makes “free” stuff irrelevant.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Because people are blind and quick to hate on something they are jealous of.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial just not true lets open the books and see who is giving what then we can talk about a level playing field and besides if you are promoting the best stuff they will keep sending YOU the best stuff , why promo the cheaper stuff cause you know if you do the top dogs will not support you , Its like the GW channels they know if they say one bad thing they get cut off ................boy you guys are circling the wagons on this one
@@warshak11 wow. You have the critical thinking skills of a peanut.
@@warshak11 VOG had that problem with some of the reviews he did on printers where he didn't give great reviews and wasn't asked to review other machines.
Phrozen 8k build plate size is weird. I wonder why they made it so narrow.
Probably a repurposed screen from something else.
Too bad you don't have to disclose this as #advertisement by a law, even if you received the printer for free.
Well it's for review purposes
Thanks for the review, Luke. I'm sorry, but I don't have any bad faith arguments to offer as to why you might be a shill for Big Printer, so I'll just compliment you on your excellent cinematography, quality sound and informative script.
For the money they want for a Phrozen 8k printer, you can buy a whole lot of GW mini's. And still afford a Mars 4k printer. Just sayin. If you don't get it free because you're a youtuber, it's a heck of an investment just to print minis.
''I don't get paid, i just get Free stuff for 1000th of pounds all the time''
no offense, I like your channel and all. But CZcamsrs trying to explain me how great a product for 900 $ is, which they get sent for free, is not content that I enjoy.
I'm sure this is a mighty fine printer, but I'm also sure your 181k sub channel and your business can afford a 900 $ business expense to create a real testimonial to answer the question: is it worth to get it for 900 $.
@@GeekGamingScenics sorry, didn't want to come off as a di**. It is just...a lot of content creators do exactly this, talking about experiences with their free stuff and calling it un-biased opinion/experience. No. it is biased when receiving a product for free. i) one is thankful (even when running a successful business and only 900$) and ii) if influencers would s**t on the received products the companies would immediately stop. My point is, psychologically speaking, even when one thinks they tell an honest and un-biased opinion, it can't be when they receive the products this way.
@@NightfallTH except Luke has “s**t” on multiple printers he’s received for free.
@@archdeluxe290 and that disproves any kind of bias, or what?
@@archdeluxe290 i see im not the only one putting you in your place lol ,you guys would fair much better if you stopped trying to disprove the bias with the line we got a bunch for free or he has s**t on other printers and to make it worse its the same group of youtubers circling the wagons on this how i should be done is how (project farm) no sponsers buys all the stuff 2.44 mil subs
@@warshak11 if you took all the time you’ve spent having tantrums in this comments section and used it to do something productive you might be able to afford $900.
Maybe ask your mom.
If i'm honest. The biggest reason i always stayed away from Phrozen was their truly horrendous reputation with customer service.
If i'd throw in another reason. Going with local currency i can get a Phrozen Sonic Mighty 8k for 790 euro (next store is 900euro's).
But i can get a Elegoo Saturn 2 for 550 euro's. With the 240 euro's left over i could get a Mercury X Bundle for 160 and spend 80 on resin......
Idk but keeping in mind the almost perfect customer service from Elegoo compared to Phrozen and the extreme price difference for basically the same specs.... I'd skip Phrozen.
I've dealt with Anycubic, Elegoo and Phrozen customer service and the worst was Anycubic, that's only because they sent the wrong part so they had to resend the right part. Elegoo was probably the fastest to deal with but Phrozen was a close second. I got the printers direct from each company so it might be different if I got from a reseller.
i use phrozen for one simple reason: its not made in china. its made in taiwan, a seperate country which china continuously threatens to invade. its slightly more expensive but im not supporting the ccp (who brought you such other hits as uyghur genocide and covid) with my money. feel free to make whatever decisions you like though.
it also works really really well. nice piece of kit and im happy with mine.
That's why I buy Made in America or Made in the UK. They've never unjustly invaded anybo...I mean, they've never...they...
Sorry, I was interrupting your baseless moral superiority, do continue
Fun fact, Taiwan belongs to China and always has. Despite what the media claims, it's never been a sovereign country. In reality, it's an occupied country (by the US) that China tolerates being occupied.
hate to burst your bubble but their printers are NOT workhorses, ive had 6 and ALL have had issues out of box so much so that i only have 2 left and those are currently ( yet again) waiting on fing parts ( out of pocket) to fix. now the elegoos i got as replacements for the phrozens have been rock solid stable and worked out of the box. my sonic mighty 8k's were down 2 weeks of the of the first 3 i owned them, the elegoo saturn 8k have been down ZERO in the same amount of time. then there is the aqua resin it is complete trash and required 16.5 sec exposure just to get a cones of calibration print to pass but nothing else would print correctly.
buy elegoo phrozen is complete trash
Sorry dude, been watching you for years and what happened to finding cheap, affordable ways to make terrain? For a while now you have been plugging a lot of products from various companies. Buy this, buy that. Easy to say when you get all your machines, etc., for free. You used to be reliable, now you're just commercialized like everyone else, it seems to me. Don't get me wrong, I love the vids and learn a lot from you, just not anymore except to purchase things instead of finding and making them. Disappointing dude, sry but ya
Nothing will save you more money in the hobby than a 3D printer.
Unless $800-$1000 is too much . . .
The problem is this printer is 1k US.
Hang on, you’re using printers as door stops? Let me grab my wallet and get in the car….
$1000... Fuck...
All this BS about Luke trying to "sell" or "advertise" something expensive.. You clearly haven't watched the guy from the early days, he ain't the type of guy to advertise anything, totally down to earth, says it like it is, no BS. Plus he's a yorkshire man, and they are always looking for a way to do something on the cheap lol
People are just rage jealous.
Not to be rude and I like his vids they are great but he absolutely sells stuff he owns a business of selling terrain building supplies and that's fine gotta make money somehow but he does sell things .
@@samellowery obviously, i wasn't talking about his own business. I did also clearly mention the word "expensive". Nowt Luke sells is £800.
I use to like youtube but all it is now is one "influencer" after another trying to sell some high priced mess $900 printer ,$200 paint shaker , some light you got to have. The world economy is in melt down, record high gas prices , food cost at a all time high. Still "influencer" trying to sell something
Oh boo f’n hoo. Not every viewer is a broke bum.
@@GeekGamingScenics getting sent the printer for free is basically a form of payment and likely adds some bias to the review. The problem I have with these kinds of reviews is the content creater is incentivezed to give positive reviews to ensure that they remain on good terms with the company so that more free stuff gets sent in the future.
@@anab0lic Except that he gets free stuff from all the printer companies. This levels the playing field. He has no issue being negative about products he receives for free.
@@GeekGamingScenics they GIVE you printer of course your trying to sell printer through influencing...........so they will keep giving you free stuff , and dont trust anyone that is showing off stuff they got for free and are "taken care of"
@@warshak11 what about the free printers he received that he says you shouldn’t buy?