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OCC: Ohno Continuos Cast Copper & other audiophile conductors
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2021
- There are various conductors out there in our audio cables but only a few are truly audiophile, in particular those made out of Ohno Continuous Cast (OCC) copper and silver. Discover the rest with us!
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OCC is AWESOME! Thanks ever so much for the heads up on this remarkable technology. Your show ROCKS! 👍
Like all things hi fi, trust your ears and what's comfortable for your budget. When you'll find the right cable, it could sound as if the musicians are in your room.
Thank you for this very interesting video. Based on your prior videos, I had purchased Oyaide orange RCA cables and remain highly impressed and satisfied with the purchase.
So full and usable review, thank you!
You are the best. Thank you so much for explaining the quality of copper.. I do believe now.thanks
Great video.....waiting for my SKW power cable for my SET tube amp.....and thinking of buying there speaker cable that you review....and I think it's going to bring me to the next level of music at the atmoust....can't wait...back in the 90s it was too expensive and not it's affordable....bravo my friend....thank you...love OCC copper.....I have been using only OFC....but OCC is at another level....all the best from New York....🎵🎶🌉🗽👏
great explanation my dear friend .love your videos .when i moved back to the uk a couple of years ago i left my rca cables for my 2 power amps .i bought relativity inexpensive cables till i got my original from canada .my audio system sounded dull and lifless .no bass .when i eventually got my wireworld cables back nite and day .smashing explanation 😎😎😎
Cool!
Thanks for explaining all that jargon which is bantered about. It becomes SO confusing as a beginner. Grazie tanto. 👍
Great explanation
Great 👍🏻 thks for the video
Surprise!! You’re from Italy!! Your English is perfecto 👌🏼
Great video! I Do agree that I like to use only copper, I like to have only copper binding posts/spades/bananas instead of gold plated or silver plated. I feel that having to transition through other metal types some how impedes the potential sound quality. I also just tried some cables I made from Belden 9497 cable and the results were impressive! sounded better then my audioquest cables by far. I'm in the process of making some custom JBL speakers and after my results with the Belden 9497 I'm going to use that same wire to internally wire the speakers as well.
Nice!
Yep, I'm all about OCC for years now....single strand, never stranded, never plated. Only in teflon... I do really like occ silver too. Also, much of the lower quality copper (tpc/oxy free) is made from used/recycled copper..
YES ! ...............share your experience .................also connectors must be good ....I avoid as much as possible the connector used on audio gear.......and replace them or solder the wires direct to the circuit on some output/inputs with quality solder.
@@frankgeeraerts6243 def agree about connectors, generally not good and I much prefer direct soldering. I have a couple pairs of silver rca component connex, and use pure silver Klei rca plugs... but when I am more settled in my life I'll remove them for a direct connect. I like audio Note solder and a Japan brand called 'Sparkle' I believe its who makes the AN solder!! (The flux smell is very distinct) And very much cheaper too.
Thank you, great work. I'm using Kimber silver streak, (yeah I know) from my oppo deck to preamp and kimber hero preamp to amp. Speaker cable, kimber 4tc. I'm in love. I kept the final stage all copper. Best Wishes.
Nice!
By the way, my preamp is an old Jvc. My amp. is a parasound halo 23 and speakers are tannoy pbm 6.5 (old playback monitors) Once again thank you and be well.
Copper is the only road to travel on 100%. That’s just me
I agree, no need for other metals
Cooper head rooooooad.
🤗 EXCELLENTE EXPLANATIONS 😎😍😍😍
I've found that implementation and design effect the sound more than the actual kind of copper used (unless it's really crappy copper). Even TPC can sound amazing.
Try OCC silver...you will burn all the rest.
I wonder if that's why my 1970,s Kenwood KD 2000 turntable has a lot of distortion once in a while on the left channel. One time no sound was coming out of the left channel, so I wiggle the RC cable that goes to the receiver. When I play my two reel to reel decks I hear no distortion at all. I do the maintenance myself on my 2 reel to reels, I was thinking about replacing the RC cable myself, they do look old
Just wanted to say: I’m a skeptical person. And I called BS. I’m new to hifi and to the uninitiated this sounds like some new age FOOEY. Everything you said sounds like you’re justifying spending more money on “continuous crystals” “harmonics” “homogenous flow” “lots of oxygen”… FOOEY. That being said… I listened to my first Goodwill system with a friend’s high end speaker wires. Then the power cable. Blind listen test and 100% HOLY COW. I’m not kidding when I picked the “good” wires every single time. Then he hooked up the power cable. WAT. I was floored. I have more money in wires than speakers now but at least when I upgrade (and I’ve been bit by the audiophile bug) I will hear their unadulterated clarity thanks to Ohno, your videos, and this very dedicated community.
Thanks for sharing that!
Great work again, my friend. It would Be interesting to consider gold produced by one of these methods. Also, would I be correct in saying that flat cables increase the surface area and consequently the skin effect where much of the conductivity happens? In all events, delightful English and thank you for another wonderful presentation!
If you use multiple and small conductors like litz based cables the skin effect is greatly reduced regardless the shape even though that takes place at extremely high frequencies
@Chris Carson Quite right. Memory lapse on my part.
@@anadialog Thanks!
Any difference in audio can be measured so how can you measure the difference between various conductors.
Good question, wondering the same
Everything the signal passes through changes the sound
Good video! I have a question... I use currently Techlink Wires XS double braired shielding silver plated Pure OFC Copper stereo RCA cables. What you think... should I buy OCC cables? Are those how much better?
I watch your another video where you said, that SKW cables best are cables, but is Ebay only place where you can buy those?☺
In your opinion, if a single component (eg: tonearm wire) utilises a particular grade of copper (eg: OFC), would reconfiguring the rest of the components past the lower grade copper be beneficial? Or would that first grade of copper ultimately be the reference grade for other components to better match consistency?
Each passage is a whole new story, unfortunately, an upgrade is always beneficial. Some a lot, some just a hint. Clearly having the whole chains similar is better!
can you recommend several headphone and IEM cables?
How does capacitance factor into the cables? Does it have more to do with the copper or the shielding?
Both, it is actually generated by the proximity of these...
What is your recommendation for Yarbo sp=6802tc speaker cable ?
I live Yarbo and also this model uses occ copper and teflon insulation. The best!
i love occ. however, i've since switched out all my oyaide cables for duelund tinner copper.
I believe you did that to prevent oxidization, but the conductor lost some conductivity and as I have explained different metals are never a good idea. If it is only for inner components, silver is an excellent choice because it's oxide is conductive unlike copper!
@@anadialog there's a fad that started in japan where they started using tinned copper made by western electric and belden. duelund made their own interpretation so did mundorf and some other companies. they sound more natural/organic than any cable i've used. it's not very logical to fans of OCC which I am one of. but it works. try it out.
Interesting!
@@etm3398 hey I found your comment very interesting as someone who both believes in OCC but also read a lot about the duelund/western electric tinned copper and how natural it sounds. Over the years as my taste and listening preferences have changed, I have grown to dislike a bright sound and prefer a darker kind of natural sound with deep black backgrounds where the sound comes out of a complete pitch blackness. I started using belden tinned copper for speaker cables and found myself preferring it to my expensive occ speaker cables. Fun experiment. OCC is still great but I think like you I prefer the tinned copper sound. I'm starting to wonder if OCC might be too bright in some applications, with how extremely instantaneously conductive it is. I find especially the silver plated OCC cables are a bit bright sounding in my system now.
@@andyboxish4436 I've had Terzo RCAs and they are super detailed and clean. I also have some Oyaide digital coax and powercords and they are much warmer sounding to the point of muffling the highs. These are the carbon shielded ones forgot the model names. Still, I prefer Duelund's liquid like sound. Tried WE and it has lots of the same qualities but is brighter slightly metallic. Never tried Belden. Thanks for your reply. Oh I never had good luck with silver plated but soft annealed silver like Clear Day and Bogdan are good IME.
Is OCC cable directional? I ordered a pair from C3 audio for around 900.00 dollars but I don't see any directional arrow indicating which direction the signal path should go. Thanks!
Cables are directional only when one side is grounded (cold pole connected to the shield). When both ore none are grounded there is no direction.
According to Oyaide website, S class now uses the same conductors of A class, 102 SSC, I understand it is technically OFC. So no OCC on that series. Besides Ricable Primus, can you please recommend another relatively affordable cable that uses OCC conductors?
Apparently only Neotech is truly using OCC copper and OCC silver: czcams.com/video/rHMFP6IKqvY/video.htmlsi=Ef1e3W6ce8ewstT2 For copper the Zavfino seems also to use it but no certification: zavfinousa.com/products/arcadia-pc-occ-interconnect-cable
I was surprised by sound improvements just by switching to OFC wires.
well if you think ofc is really good you should try OCC which is way better.
Great, but where can I buy it in bulk???? Trying to follow the links Neotech/distributor/dealer at least 3 levels of add-on profits and at the end only prefabricated/terminated cables. Good to know, less than helpful in practice.
I get them all at audiophonics (in France) or ebay
do you have knowledge about litz coated cables and do they really make a difference? Example: Is the below statement true or snake oil?
"The 2k copper cable has over 500 strands of ultra thin copper per conductor for a total of 2044 individually litz coated strands. We've found this ultra thin litz wire to be the most resolving and natural sounding headphone cable we've ever tried, as well as one of the most beautiful. You can also get your cable with wood jacks or eidolic plugs if desired."
They said "The wire is 18 AWG, and the overall size of the wire is 1.75mm per conductor."
Some, but I have experience more than knowledge. Litz is an excellent solution, especially for headphone cables, because it's soft and very easy to wrap. Many think that skin effect is dramatically reduced, which is true, but it's debated if this truly has an effect on playback due to the very high frequencies where it operates. Solid core wires are considered among the best types. Obviously you can't use that for a portable device so no problem with that. I think the material (occ copper or occ silver) and insulation (teflon is best) are more influential on the final result.
Since copper telephone lines are now being replaced with fiber optic cable (at least here in the US), I wonder how copper stands up to fiber optic transmission lines? Indeed, if copper were the choice for quality signal transmission, you would think the telephone companies would simply replace current lines with better copper. With fiber optic, you would need an analog/digital converter on each end, but the length of the line would no longer be of any importance.
Fiberoptics can transmit analog signal without conversion, but that doesn't solve the amplifier-speakers connection. How do you connect amplifier with speakers without electric conductors? Those are the most important cables in an audio setup.
Well, that is for fast data transmission, digital is a whole different world...
@@themeantuber Thanks. Yes, you have made the point - is there a way to transmit the signal which adds/detracts absolutely nothing to it? This is essentiallly impossible. My comment stemmed from my wondering if fiber optic would alter the signal less than copper. Personally, I do not go to extremes as my hearing is simply not that good and is not worth paying (IMO) ridiculous prices for an isolated component when there are so many others which affect the sound significantly (or at least more significantly than speaker cables).
@@AriKona Gold is the best conductor, but for obvious reasons it's impractical
@@themeantuber With the ever increasing price of specialized copper, that may change. 🤣
hi you will get a lot of not nice feed back about this i have tryed this in the past if you are using something that need a heavy cable to hook something up yes
you are right home using no you can't hear it at all copper in the home is a mind thing xlr against rca phone what is better it's the came thing again
there are pro reel to reels with rca phono on the back tascam made them
love to watch your video's to hear your point of view on this i love pro tascam units as parts are easy to get ex germany reel to reel; are hard to get parts why
i sold any germany decks
What about coax cables?
I make my own DIY and Use Belden 1505A all copper cables , RG-59, 20 AWG which is more flexible than RG6
So silver cables + copper inside of our equipment = RF interference?
No, why? I prefer to avoid cables with multiple type of metals because the have different electrical properties
What is OCC? Answered @ 13:13
Actually the answer is in the title! ;-)
Can you speak to "MARC Pure Copper 7N 99.99999" which is what Ricable lists as their power wire? Is this OCC or something else?
It's something else. They once told me by email it is better, but it isn't. It is very good, much better than OFC but besides purity we must look at grain size and number. OCC is a monocrystal copper with almost zero impurities inside a standard audio cable.
Thank you
any empirical data I can test at home ?
Yeah, by an OCC speaker cable or power cable and compare it with a normal one. If you don't want to spend an arm and a leg I reviewed these: czcams.com/video/2rjOdEuFe88/video.html
I recommend Nordost. Expensive but their "cheap" cables like Purple Heaven is fantastic also.
Nordost is my weak (official cable) spot!
Кажете ми моля, как да се справя с високата скорост на моя ОСС кабел. Наистина подобрява резолюцията, но високата скорост дразни.
13:09
Great to see that you are really fighting the non-believers!
Hi! Who is certifying that as a client, after buying process, I receive OCC quality conductors instead of OFC? Also, who is certifying the purity of the copper? Is it somehow possible to determine by a simple electrical measurement? 98% of us, do not have high-performance microscopes or other sophisticated tools, and this remains a major doubt.
that's why it's better to buy from reputable manufacturers that are buying their raw materials from companies like Neotech and the other company in Japan those are the only two that I know of that make OCC single crystal wire, neotech makes wires for many companies, harmonic technology, acoustic zen, zenwave, analysis plus, audioquest, Atlas cables and many others.
I agree with the point of concern about certifications. But you also bring up a point I belive gets way too overlooked but should be a major focus point in talking about any component or cables. Measurements, and more specifically the parts of sound reproduction that we do not know how to measure yet we hear them. A few that comes to mind is 3d imagining, Soundstage, resonances in timbers that linger beyond the key stroke and initial sound. I think it's interesting how so many of us make our points by what we can measure and prove and there are so many other non measurable factors to consider. Btw this is not a counter to your point about being able to measure the cables I think that's a good suggestion, you just made me think about why we don't talk more about what we know is there but can't prove.
Why can't Audiophiles simply say that the impurities introduce additional resistance and this will color the sound by distorting the signals? The fewer the impurities the better the signal?
At some point there is going to be a diminishing return.
Yes, but it’s the crystals the true enemy. That is why OCC is so much better, it has less than one in average
You are Italian?! I always thought you are American who is live in Italy :)
Si, sono italiano! My mother is American so I guess I am 50%
Better if other ways around for the food. Ha. Just kidding.
I can only confirm that quality copper does matter in signal cables. I was pretty skeptical about that, but after I made signal cables from Neotech OCC to replace OFC copper cables - I heard the difference. Clarity and bass response has improved significantly… probably it was due to MUCH better shielding in Neotech OCC cables, but sound quality improved a lot. And I am really happy that I found that ANADIALOG’s video about signal cables few years ago. Neotech has really good cables and if you will DIY it will not cost a lot - 10-15€ for 1m - come on! They are almost free!
And what about the plugs? Do you go for neotech occ as well for those? They have quite high price, does it worth it?
@@karolyfreyler5716 no, I stay with good quality gold plated brass plugs - Neutrik are pretty good and absolutely affordable. In my opinion, plugs does not change connection quality as much (if you don’t have shitty ones), and as you’ve mentioned, they are extremely costly... doesn’t worth to buy them, in my opinion. But if their price is not a problem - why not😉
@@mykolamisyura8107 thanks for the reply, i am in the hunt for decent, but racional cables. Neotech as both of you mentioned sounds to be a good option.
Yes I did get them and no, I agree too expensive. You can get excellent stuff for a third of their price, of course if money is not a problem Neotech is the way to go, and also Oyaide for power plugs...VERY expensive, but probably the beat out there.
@@anadialog thanks, I also discovered zavfino / 1877phono cables, where they claim the plug is occ as well, and it is relatively acceptable price (160 eur for a full occ rca cable) i think you mentioned the brand as well in an earlier video, they are from Canada. If i can not get it, I will go with the conventional plugs :)
Who is selling NeoTech as their website doesn’t
kinda late....venhaus audio sells
yes I watched your video and if you think that the Chinese can make OCC single Crystal that cheaply I got some land in the Florida Everglades for you LOL they don't make single Crystal anything but if you think so
then I'm laughing at you and I'll put my single Crystal Harmonic technology cables up against your crap Chinese stuff. if you knew how much the machinery cost to make OCC single Crystal you would know right away that the Chinese stuff is not.
Actually China can make anything! In any case, there are OCC copper Chinese certifications. It's not my idea or belief it's a fact. BTW continuous casting isn't rocket science or syntetic diamonds, it is quite easy to make in the end.
@@anadialog and you believe Chinese certifications they lie about everything LOL and it's a very slow process they can only make one meter every 1 to 2 minutes, you know what you should do you should make a direct comparison with the OCC stuff you have compared to the OCC stuff that neotech makes
@@anadialog it's quite easy to make is it so you're an expert on making wire and the drawing process? I highly doubt it, you're making yourself look very foolish cuz you have no idea of what you're talking about.
I think.ovrrall engineering
Of cables has as much
To do with the Sonic results
Of a cable and its not just
The grade of copper used
Indeed. As I always say the main ingredients for a top quality cable are 3 in order: conductor, insulation and geometry
How many of those occ wires are legit as fakes just keep slapping in 5n 6n 7n single crystal designations. Either fake or f ing overpriced with hifi brands. Besides Mps of taiwan (iso compliance and licensed occ participant) is med priced I don't see any legit affordable cables.
Dude! Timbre is pronounced Tamber, not Timeber. Just saying...
Yup, I learned eventually...I am Italian after all!
a blood test everything only you wil nog kno about thinks you not ask in the papar bud the wil see it enny way
Wtf mate cut to the chase, Im board already.
actually oyadi does not make their own OCC sorry bad information on your part only two companies out there make OCC one in Japan one in Taiwan the one in Taiwan is Wan lung which owns Neotech .
Dear Chris, no bad information on my part. If you watch the video carefully you will notice that I made a correction at 19:32 about this. I just wonder why you guys can't wait to point your finger, without even considering the rest of the work and, as in this case, you don't even know what you are talking about. Cheers! ;-)
@@anadialog actually I do know what I'm talking about only two companies make OCC single Crystal one in Japan one in Taiwan nothing in China that's for sure and I'm glad you made the correction but if you bought cable made in China that's OCC you got scammed
Good Video but not cheap. I make my own and Use Belden 1505A *All Copper* 75 Ohm SDI Coax, RG-59, 20 AWG Solid BC, Foil + 95% TC Braid , This cable has a smaller dia and more flexible than RG6 w RCA Locking connectors search E-bay "8pcs Gold Plated Hi-Fi RCA Plug Screw Lockable A/V Connector Audio Cable Adapte" - about $15.00 for 8 Black Locking Audiocrast w locking set screws which I just Solder.
This is way better than RCA Cables. This the next level up and IMO the best way to do it. Not has good has OCC But Very Good
actually other companies are not doing the same they're they're not making their own OCC copper they're getting it from neotech.
Nope! Se my other reply.
well you do have your information right about OCC the only thing you do have wrong is China doesn't have OCC cuz I spoken to the principles at neotech and they refuse to sell any OCC wire to any Chinese companies and there's only one other company that I think they're out there still that makes OCC wire in Japan and I don't think they're selling to China either so you should ask them to prove to you that they have OCC wire and there's only one way to do that by the machine set up and I know what that looks like so even if they showed you some machinery you wouldn't know if it was making single Crystal or not.
After Furukawa closed things changed. Now anybody can do monocrystall copper, just don't call it OCC but it's the same type of copper and in the end it isn't that hard to produce
your ears are sure that it's OCC copper that's pretty funny and just for your information there's something even better now than round OCC wire and that's rectangular OCC wire you can lower the resistance way lower than round OCC wire it is far superior won't get that in China either, neotech is the only one that has that.
I have been using square cables before opening this channel my man, trust me I know one or two things on cables ;-) and BTW, good but not incredible. You should try OCC silver for maximum performance
@@anadialog yes but not everybody likes the sound of silver and the rectangular o c c wire is even better which you don't even know about yet and the only one making that is Neotech.
and nobody that I know makes Square cables rectangular is not Square LOL