Canadian family sues after Catholic hospital prolongs their daughter's suffering (Livestream)
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- Samantha O’Neill died of cervical cancer last year at the age of 34.
Despite chemotherapy and radiation, her disease was terminal, and the pain quickly became overwhelming. She wanted to end life on her own terms.
But in Canada, where that procedure is legal, the taxpayer-funded Catholic hospital she was at still wouldn't allow it.
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I'm Canadian, and the news was harrowing. No one else has the right to demand you suffer for their morals. If a Catholic hospital cannot provide the medical services required by Canadian law, it should not be running a hospital. British Columbia should assume the stewardship of that hospital immediately.
Happened to my grandmother at a regular public hospital here in Canada. also, the same one killed my niece on my birthday and covered it up with a falsified autopsy and threatened to sue my mother to stop any court cases cause they would've went to jail.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver what were they threatening to sue her with? What charge were they going to slap her with to put her in jail? Why didn't they have another person do another autopsy?
@@danielstadden1149 Well, it would probably be a civil suit, not a criminal charge, so she wouldn't be threatened with jail, just a lot of legal bills and a potential verdict for the hospital... though that's unlikely.
@@AChapstickOrange I was kinda being sarcastic, the whole story sounded like 💩 I didn't believe a word of it. Was interested how they would reply.
I agree, nip that sh*t in the bud immediately before billionaire evangelical extremists start targeting your country next. Don’t let it happen!
My mother in the US had a neighbor who was diagnosed with cancer and had to engage in a fight for the right to die.
He was tied up in court and suffered in agony until he died.
I'm sick of Christians telling us that WE have to suffer because of what THEY claim to believe.
And it also not that we suffer to get to heaven. I assume most of us would go to hell anyway. They want us to suffer so THEY have a change of going heaven. While from there view this makes sense, from my view this is just sick and insane.
I dislike all religions.
I am from the Netherlands. My sister died last year from cancer. She was tranferred from a hospital to a Christian hospice. The family had time to say their goodbyes.While her children were there she got the medication to help her to step out of this life and the world of pain.
@@hansw5067 Europe usually is more sensible and human these days. At least since the 1950s.
I love that this family is working to solve the ridiculous issue of MAID and the Catholic Church. I went through this with my Mom. Her death was a horrific scene that I struggle with to this day 20 years later. No more Church run health care! This practice of allowing religiously run hospitals to be run according to their dogma has to be phased out and the legal system must deal with it or these hospitals must be closed.
10:59 No church-run hospital should *EVER* be exempt from state or federal laws(in Canada's case, provincial or federal laws). But then, churches should be *BANNED* from running hospitals or schools!
do you know why there are catholic schools in the USA? By the middle of the 19th century, Catholics in larger cities started building their own parochial school system. The main impetus was fear that indoctrination by Protestant teachers in the public schools would lead to a loss of faith.
Private Christian schools are fine, but should not get government funding
@@fredbarnesjr.1044 No they're not, they lie to the kids way too much and brainwash them. no religion should be forced on any child.
@@fredbarnesjr.1044 Private christian schools are *NOT* okay. Children attend school to be *EDUCATED,* not have their heads cluttered with stupid mumbo-jumbo.
@@neilforbes416 those tend to have more abuse, too...
The Catholic church claiming religious freedom to deny medical services is a huge problem. Aggravated by the large number of catholic hospitals.
The Catholic church owns a disturbing percentage of hospital system in the US.
The other big issue I know of, is all aspects of birth control.
Giving religious freedom exemptions at the expense of other people's rights, needs to stop. Especially in the realm of health care needs.
Trying to find a place to get a vasectomy near me is crazy. All the hospitals seem to be religious.
@@wrathofainz WAIT! Is this the men's version of "My Body My Choice"?
as a Canadian... I am pretty much over organized religion in every form. Religion WAS useful in filling the hole at the center of The Human Condition... Community.
We need to start treating churches like corporations.
Yeah... but that would involve DC _actually closing_ a _harmful_ loophole, so...
@@derricktalbot8846yup
@@derricktalbot8846no they are worse
The fact this is something up for debate is disturbing. It's all back to bodily autonomy. You get the final say on your body. This is why religious hospitals should not be allowed to function, period.
i didn’t ask to be born and really can’t say i’ve ever experienced bodily autonomy, except believing in the Son of God, for promising eternal life and dying for the sins of the world. religious hospitals will become obsolete.
@@drinkwater5762religion is shit
@@drinkwater5762 hopefully
@@drinkwater5762You are currently practicing bodily autonomy. You hopefully ate, drank, took a dump, maybe even flogged your dolphin all at your own discretion.
@@drinkwater5762don’t you experience bodily autonomy everyday you live your life, you choose what you want to eat, decide when to sleep, decide where you go, decide if u want to live/die, decide to decline medical assistance etc.
Even if you break the law and go in prison, the state can’t take your kidney to pay for your crime against society. Only the psychotic or worst of the worst truly lose the right to their own bodies (ie. death penalty)
Where I live I have the choice of a Catholic hospital, or a Catholic hospital. Sue the CRAP out of them!
I am catholic and refuse to use any catholic business or religious right business.
@@brin3m if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning
them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're
at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something
that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the
least he can do is hint as to
how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle
started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.
Where I live, it's not something I'd have to worry about but this makes me want to double check my hospital isn't run by crazies.
All that wealth the catholic church hoards could so much good around the world. But no, it prefers to keep it from being used for the betterment of mankind,.
If this church-run hospital is "taking the public penny" in order to operate, then it is *BOUND TO OBEY THE VERY LETTER OF THE LAW* regarding euthanasia provisions, and the church should have *NO SAY WHATSOEVER!* The family is *A THOUSAND TIMES RIGHT* to sue this hospital and I hope the judgement comes down in favour of the family and the monetary damages thus awarded *SEND THIS HOSPITAL BANKRUPT!!!!!!*
I would expect that the hospital’s liability insurance would cover most of any judgement brought against St Paul’s.
I’m not sure any good would come of bankrupting it. St Paul’s is a very large hospital which provides services for patients across the Province.
Unless Coastal Health completely took over the hospital and all of its staff, it would leave a very big hole in medical services for the Province.
@@cgcosh3967 Well, the complete takeover by *Coastal Health* should be a condition of the settlement, and the catholic church should have *no right of appeal* against the decision.
I have never understood why A religion that believes in Life after death refuses to assist people passing into that "life". Yet, those who believe in oblivion are the ones who support assisted death.
To quote my dear departed brother, "I'll be dead, I won't care."
"We should let people suffer because God" ftfy
The idea of suicide being a sin that sends you straight to hell is a stop-gap solution to keep people from wanting to rush to heaven faster. I think most death cults have it.
Great comment. I’ll be saying that non stop now. Thank you 🍀🍀🍀
I can only think those religious people are either scared they are wrong about an afterlife or deep down know there is no afterlife.
Though why they are worried about it, well, still makes no sense.
I mean, given the number of times people were murdered by their community in "the name of the Lord", they aren't concerned about God having an issue with them killing someone.
In my province of Saskatchewan, we had a small rural Catholic hospital that all of a sudden announced that no procedures would be done that go against Catholic doctrine. Immediately all of the doctors resigned and the health region announced that they were going to disaffiliate with the Catholic church and take control of the hospital. The church responding by saying that they were going to stop providing spiritual services to catholic patients, proving to everyone that they didn't care about the patients, they only cared about control.
Yes......using the people's faith against them would surely make people stay in your religion.....lol
That is one pig headed sect. No wonder people have had enough of religion
The Catholic Church is the single most evil organization in the history of humanity. None of this should be surprising.
Stop providing catholic spiritual services? Oh, good!
Lot of these pro life people think you have a duty to suffer.
They don’t even value life! They are pro death penalty and love to make others, even babies and children, suffer...
Any god who would require you to suffer isn’t worth worshipping or even following. That’s just sick.
That was dreamed up by lords and kings to get people used to that boot on their throats.
As a former Catholic, this is 100% true. They tell people that every bit of injustice and pain you experience is some kind of test from god. Especially for women, they LITERALLY think that some woman at the beginning of time disobeyed a dumb rule about fruit eating and therefore women are supposed to live painful lives.
Including the fetuses they want to be carried to term.
Both of our local hospitals have become worthless. One was bought out by a corporation, and the second was bought by a Catholic organization. Neither is capable of taking care of the local residents now.
> ... corporation ... Catholic organization.
And the difference is?
@@stainlesssteellemming3885 In addition to being subpar, the latter imposes its religious rules on you.
@@stainlesssteellemming3885one is a heartless, soulless institution that thrives on pain and suffering, the other is a business
@@HarryDirtay Doesn't really clear it up :)
@@stainlesssteellemming3885Literally. Both statements can apply to both options 😂
Mother Teresa would have been soooooooooo proud!!
She told the people she "cared for" that pain puts you closer to god. But when it was HER turn to suffer, she did not.
Yes she would. She hurt thousands of poor, ill people & caused untold suffering to so many.
Truly evil
@@reefnreeferabsolutely right. She was a sadistic monster
"Saint" Theresa. I think that's worth emphasising, as a reminder that the church as a whole endorses and celebrates her cruelty.
Mother Teresa was evil.
This equates to religious extremists holding a dying woman hostage. Unbelievable.
Christianity wouldn’t exist without a thoroughly beaten down population willing to accept that pain and suffering is part of gods plan. Do you think the rich and powerful who dreamed up this stuff to keep the long suffering poor weren’t laughing their heads off?
They are enjoying this. Christianity IS OPPRESSION
Yes, here in Vancouver this case is notorious and we hope the family sues the hell out of it.
They’re going to accelerate secularism
@rongravelle603 honestly, I _might unironically_ be closer to okay with it if there was a chance they were _actually trying_ to.
If you're a Catholic hospital, you have to decide if you want to be a church or a hospital and not try to be both simultaneously.
If the Church is so concerned about the "sanctity" of life, why does it not take a stand against capital punishment and war?
They don’t take stand against even abuse, not even sexual towards children...
Edit: typo.
Or guns, or why don’t they support more public and social services to raise families out of poverty? Cause it’s about control, not service
Tbf the catholic church has long spoken out against capital punishment and war. Not defending , just clarifying.
The Church has been the cause of war and gleefully burned its heretics for centuries
@@Nun195Good clarification. A Catholic priest convinced to me oppose the death penalty as a Missourian in the high school debate club during the Reagan era. While I want to end suffering, euthanasia in Europe has had some deeply troubling outcomes, including allowing mental illness as a reason to end life. Catholic Church has many failings but at least it is consistent about the sanctity of life. Peace be with you.
My mother had cervical cancer that was discovered many years ago. She is a strong Catholic and wanted to have her care at the Catholic hospital where she had had all her care before. She had to have a hysterectomy to save her life and they refused to do it so she had to go to another local hospital. They literally wouldn't do a life saving procedure because it was removing her reproductive organs. As if her whole value was her reproductive capabilities and not as a person.
Why is it, when a dog is in a lot of pain and there’s no immediate cure, our first thought is “gotta put ’em down”? But we never apply this to human beings? This is a legitimate concern for me
Especially as the human being can usually voice their will to die, unlike the dog or cat or other pet.
Because a significant number of people believe that humans are somehow special and different than animals and that ending an animal life is fine, but ending a human life is the worst thing you can do.
@@NazgulGnomethen that’s cruelty on another level, I lost both my dog and mother to cancer. The terminal phase is extremely painful for the patient. My mother who never contemplated suicide, loved life, begged to be put to death. Anyone against this is as cruel as Satan (personally I don’t think Satan exists)…… himself.
There's a billboard in my area opposion MAiD, and have always thought that another one saying basically this would be appropriate.
When My mother in law was dying we all asked the nurse and doctors at the Catholic hospital about hospice care, they didn't even reply. They just stood there with awkward looks on their faces and said nothing. It was bizarre and gave us the impression that they weren't allowed to even acknowledge questions concerning end of life care, and that we were being judged for having a healthy attitude towards life and death. Catholic hospitals shouldn't exist. They are in business to restrict care options for patients and make ungodly sums of money.
*unglodly* sums of money is the right word for those charlatans.
So it was OK to make her unconscious until the end of her life, but not to allow her to become permanently unconscious at the time of her choice.
It's really simple, if you want government funding, you should be required to provide the services the government guarantees. I don't understand why that is difficult.
because they see themselves as above the law
@Windchanter420 ...when they're not taking credit for that law's _existence..._
This is so catholic. Mother Theresa was like this, glorifying pain and suffering.
Denying medical comfort to people, but accessing it for herself. She was an awful person.
She was a nasty cruel person who got off on the suffering of others
Religion has to make a horror show, instead of caring for people
Thou shall not kill. You can't expect them to ignore that.
@@matthorrocks6517 that’s your judgement based on the writings of ancient goat herders
@@rongravelle603 I sure hope you don't feel murder is alright based on modern political views. We could get some sui ... Cide booths like they have in Switzerland.
The original Hebrew text is thou shall not commit murder.
@@matthorrocks6517 They don't have "suicide booths" in Switzerland. Maybe you're confusing Switzerland with Futurama? An easy way to tell the difference is that one has chocolate and cuckoo clocks, the other has a foul-mouthed cigar-smoking robot.
I assume you are actually referring to the Sarco Pod. Philip Nitschke, the Australian inventor of the Sarco, said in 2019 that he was looking into getting approval for its use and that Switzerland was a likely option. Since then, most states and territories in Australia have legalised voluntary assisted dying, so Nitschke's work here is pretty much done. I found out all of this information with a quick google search.
Yes,yes yes, we need everyone to call this out, especially the religious people, our bodies are not toys for others to have control over, let us die in peace,let us be free of the pain. Dont understand how they're allowed to do this when they get public funds.
How about if this Catholic hospital doesn’t wish to follow the laws of this country maybe they shouldn’t get any tax money from the country I mean why pay this hospital for not treating the people it’s supposed to treat
Agreed. With accepting tax payer funding comes rules every participating hospital should follow and if they don’t want to then they should become private/ donor funded.
Not only did this Catholic hospital violate the Hippocratic Oath, but the very principles of their Christ as well.
The Hippocratic Oath said, "If any should ask of me a drug to produce death I will not give it. Nor will I suggest such a counsel. In like manner I will not give a woman a destructive pessary." However, doctors have been doing both for thousands of years. They just did not speak of it in public, and most adults understood what they were doing. Modern zealots want everything to be out in the open.
No-one should be above the law. Sue them.
The POTUS is!
You think the legal system is doing the right thing? It's not.
@@nsbd90nowThe hospital in this video is in Canada.
@@matthorrocks6517 You've read too much into my comment.
We have a Catholic hospital in Winnipeg. They are given special status in our local health authority and is tax funded (of course). I am trans and wouldn't go there even as a last resort.
Was it Misericordia by any chance? It was run by Catholics when I was born there in 1968, don't know if it's still Catholic-run today. The irony in their name is that the misericord was a slim dagger used to euthanise warriors on the battlefield if they had wounds that were untreatable. If they refuse to allow patients to get MAiD, then they are going against their very name in not giving mercy to those that need it.
@@DrachenGothik666 not sure if they are still a hospital? They were downgraded to an urgent care which might be upgraded to an ER so I'm not sure on that religious affiliation. NDP wants an ER again so they will need beds there.
St Boniface has special status and Catholic affiliations (Grey Nuns) but they are still heavily funded by the province but don't have the same rules like all other WRHA facilities when it comes to job mobility in the WRHA. Caveat i haven't been discriminated there but I'm sure they would not give MAID palliative treatment.
Yep, here in ohio my aunt was slowly dying, and was catholic in a catholic nursing home. She was in her 90’s. No chance of survival or any quality of life. She realized then that the church was wrong and she was too about end of life and suffering. No religious entity should be allowed to own any hospital. and i do need to note that at one time if a person committed suicide they couldn't be buried in a catholic cemetery or even have the ground blessed by a priest. My sister committed suicide back in the 80's and i was shocked when my priest told me that rule had changed! I was so relieved because we wanted her buried by our parents. non of us felt she was a sinner for doing it. we knew her mental illness was too hard to live with and she had tried to live it for so long. so again NO religious entity should be allowed to own or run a medical facility.
The Catholic church has put a lot of money into fighting compassionate dying in the U.S.
They put a lot of money into covering up child abuse too.
They're a cult that worships suffering.
Hell, you coulda stopped at "The Catholic church has put a lot of money into fighting compassion-". Either way I agree!
I hope they win the lawsuit. And they wonder why the Catholic Church in Canada has a high decline of parishioner’s. No humanity.
Build the other hospital and give 100% of the government funding to it and direct all public emergency ambulances there.
There is no HATE like Christian LOVE
no more taxpayer funding for this hospital
Religious hospitals often refuse to provide many types of cate and procedures, particularly obstetrical and gynecological procedures, including abortion care, IVF and sterilization.
If an entity gets government funding they need to follow the law. End of story.
Being at the mercy of a religious government or organization means suffering the consequences of someone else’s moral values.
No one is denying them endless suffering without relief. They can suffer as long as they want, and more. But it isn’t up to them to make others suffer endlessly.
Moral values that they don't even hold themselves accountable to. (See the countless scandals of sexual abuse towards minors in the catholic church)
When you have an ideology that revolves around and is obsessed with suffering, why is it any surprise that they would want people to suffer as much as possible?
The cruelty has become the reason.
It was always the reason. When you learn about the inquisition, the baby selling, the indulgence selling, Magdalena laundry. It was always about the cruelty and getting rich at the expense of the people.
@@rongravelle603 at the mother and baby home in Tuam, Ireland hundreds of little bodies were found buried in the grounds. The babies and toddlers died from neglect by the nuns.
Parents should have had her discharged to hospice or another hospital. When my aunt died in Sloan Kettering hospital from incurable cancer, the hospital allowed her to die by putting her into a coma, removing her from life support, and giving her morphine for the pain. She died less than 24 hrs later. Very humane and my aunt was a very strict Catholic but she realized there was no hope and she was in incredible pain.
It's mentioned in the video. She was in so much pain that it wasn't so simple, and when it did happen, she was medicated to unconsciousness so she could be transferred.
I remember being SO offended when some dude screamed "religion SUCKS!". Group of us arguing about something or other after class in college. Now, all these years later when I'm out of the cult mind and can actually think clearly, my dude you were absolutely right. Even the best most virtuous christian is still utterly mindfkd.
The basis of Christianity is to love thy neighbor. If you think that's wrong that's up to you. Trusting your government to be your moral compass is a slippery slope.
@@matthorrocks6517 You just proved his point and mine with a kneejerk defense of christianity followed by a weird ad hominem strawman based on I guess multiple apologetcs tropes.
Btw, that isn't the basis of christianity, it's just one of many tenets christians like the clowns at that hospital ignore.
@@matthorrocks6517 Christianity is not the only religion on the planet, why do people like you always make that arrogant assumption. Eastern religions like Buddhism and Taoism are far kinder without all that judgement. They also don't have an eternal hell nor do they require members to bully other people with their beliefs.
@@outermarker5801 it's strange that people go to extremes to say that nothing matters and their is no God. They mostly only say that as a rebellion against their own Christian parents. So you were raised Christian? Why did you walk away?
@@matthorrocks6517 It's sickening that religious nuts go to such extremes to defend their beliefs in A MAN MADE INVENTION...
RELIGION was invented by MEN to CONTROL the populations of the people in the regions where it was first dreamt up - AND control women.
THERE IS NOT ONE SCRAP OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A BELIEF IN A MAN MADE IDOL.
And it's a perversion of the sensibilities.
ALL #RELIGIONISPROPAGANDA
Deepest sympathy!
Apparently, Religion doesn't know what "rights" mean
I'm Canadian, this story is sad. It's why I try avoiding religious businesses when I can!
I live in the US and I’m applying for a passport and researching sane countries to emigrate to. Ik, that’s a bummer move. (I feel guilty like we should all stay and fight but I’m 60 and rly, rly tired of it, and maybe I’ve earned living in a saner place after my own fight.) After saving for years, I’m just about ready to. Idk how much more I can take.
This story makes me think of “Saint” Teresa and the way she left the patients in her “clinics” to suffer horribly as they died so they could be “closer to jesus”. And the catholic church made her a saint! Disgusting
If that hospital actually wants to help people, and is recieving funding or dupport from the government, their religious beliefs are irrelevant.
But if they just want to force people to live the way they choose to, it makes sense.
Inhumane
God is not human, it's a Monster.
@@izmark671 It's not even real.
Don't expect anything resembling sympathy, empathy, or Humanity from Christianity.
Many years ago I worked in a nursing home run by the catholic church. The nuns who were nurses often withheld pain medication for patients in extreme pain because they believed their pain brought the patients closer to christ. It was gross negligence and absolutely deplorable.
I'm from BC (British Columbia) where the government in the day commissioned the Catholic Church to operate residential schools for indigenous children. The Church committed horrendous acts on these innocent children, their wards, for over 75 years. Today, we still have the Catholic Church committing horrendous acts but this time on a young woman in one of their hospitals. The hospital in question serves 380,000 patients per year and in just this year 19 other patients have been transferred out of the hospital for LEGAL medically assisted death. I ask "When is enough, enough?" I suggest: 1) No Fed or Provincial tax money be used to support any religious based operation. 2) The tax exempt status for religions not apply to religious business operations such as Hospitals, Schools, Day Cares, etc.
The Catholic church had a settlement for 25 million dollars for the families of the children. They got themselves some fancy lawyers and got it down to 3 million. They cried they were too poor to settle. However they raised 300 million dollars to build a new cathedral in Winnipeg. I'm not sure it they even paid the 3 million. Disgusting!
In BC there were residential schools operated by Anglican, Presbyterian United, and Methodist United churches as well as the Catholic ones.
I'm sure the Catholic workers at the Catholic hospital felt they were doing their god's will, taking a stand of faith. The only person qualified to take such a stand of faith would be the dying person, if THEY held that faith. If they don't, then this is only an act of inhuman, heartless meanness toward the dying person and their family, saddling them with horrible memories of suffering and denying them better memories of a fond farewell, still heartbreaking, but without the mean imposition of needless suffering and denial of a proper goodbye. The Catholic church needs to just stop this horrible crap!
The Catholic Church, like most religions, is inherently wrong in so many ways that the only effective reform is abolishment. We must free our minds of superstition and embrace reason.
The most heartless people I have ever met are “principled Christians”
This hospital should be re-named the Mother Theresa House of Horrors.
You always do a good job with these stories mr Mehta. Keep up the good work.
Christianity all sumed up. "Suffer because I said so."
Godful Grifters need get out of the Health Business.
'Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves'
They are merciful to only themselves
Close all religious hospitals.
Yes. End of story
Close no
Put under new management yes
Many of these locations are needed and it would be worse if they never existed
St Paul's hospital is old and is scheduled to be replaced in a couple years but I don't know if these people will be running the new hospital! I hope not!
Churches shouldn't run a cake sale, not to mention a hospital, a day care, a school etc. ...
Here in San Francisco UCSF has taken over two Catholic Hospitals and are in the middle of converting them
It’s happening all over the US. They’re pushing their disgusting religious ideas down people’s throats.
As a Canadian, I say it's time Canada free itself of the grip of the Catholic Church. No public funding for any services attached to them, no school, no hospital, no hospice, none. And, no tax exemption for any religious organization!
Wait till you find out that in Ontario, Canada we have publicly funded catholic schools. It’s infuriating.
All across Canada private religious schools get public money - but Ontario is particularly bizarre with parallel school boards
They’re talking about getting rid of it. Pressure is mounting to get rid of the public funding
What's even worse, they only hire Catholic teachers, unless they have no other choice. Try denying a Catholic teacher a job in a public school.
@@rongravelle603 I’m honestly shocked it hasn’t been a lawsuit long ago.
Uhmmmmm....people...publicly funded just means that taxes are distributed to both Public schools and Catholic schools....you do realize parents whose children attend Catholic schools pay taxes as well....taxes are allocated to both boards....the Catholic schools don’t receive anymore than public schools....you people sound incredibly ignorant and narrow minded. Btw...there is no plans to get rid of Catholic School Boards...quit spouting your obvious bias narrative....
It's not just abortion and assisted dying that the Roman Catholic Church opposes. They also oppose contraception (both medical and surgical) and disapprove of surgery such as hysterectomy that has that effect. Yet they used to accept the castration of young boys for church choirs, and their mother and baby homes were notorious for their cruelty to unmarried mothers and the neglect of their illegitimate babies, who died there in droves.
This drives me nuts , the government who funds health care should come done hard on religious organizations. Or give them a choice , get taxed or do what's in the best interest of the patient not your bible
What kind of monster of a god do they worship? What monster would rather people suffer and if they end their suffering, he will send them to hell? As humans, we will end the suffering of our beloved pets because we know that is what is best for them. Humans should be afforded the same opportunities.
A god that told a man to murder his son as a prank.
They're following the example of St. Teresa of Calcutta and maximizing suffering
I took a Bioethics class in high school in 1986. The teacher went into detail about the dangers of religious, specifically Catholic, hospitals. The one I remember was how Catholic hospitals deal with ectopic fallopian pregnancies. Instead of using medication to end the pregnancy or laparoscopic surgery to remove it and keep the tube intact, in Catholic hospitals THE TUBE IS REMOVED so the fetus can die. It destroys 50% of the woman's fertility. I decided NEVER to go to a Catholic hospital. Thank you, Mr. M.
Ectopic pregnancies usually manifest when the situation has degraded to the point of a serious emergency and the tubes involved start to rupture, so yes the MEDICAL procedure is to remove the tube, not a Catholic misogynistic policy.
Medication or laparoscopic surgery are useless in these situations.
@@ianchandley
Unless pregnant people are routinely screened and examined for ectopic pregnancies before the situation deteriorates to that point. That’s why early screenings for complications like ectopic pregnancies are important.
@@melissawickersham9912 my wife survived an ectopic pregnancy that ruptured when she was on the operating table. She had visited her OBGYN (a HIGHLY SKILLED fertility specialist) the week prior and was told it was a routine pregnancy and all was well. A cousin’s co-worker, an MD at a major Miami hospital collapsed in the hospital from a ruptured fallopian tube caused by an ectopic pregnancy - she never even KNEW she was pregnant!
Screening is part of good healthcare but how many women have this “luxury”?
Im not the most touchy-feely person, but I had to wipe a damn tear that showed up unwelcome as I worked at my computer and listened to this... partly of sadness, and partly of fury. Im tired of this religious supremacy and the fear of governments to address religion.
The catholic church has form on this, what with their cheerleading of that harridan of torture, Mother Theresa
There's a major problem with certain Christian values -- for example, Mother Theresa notoriously believed that suffering makes you closer to God, and thus, suffering is a good thing. Mother Theresa should not be a role model for anyone because she glorified suffering. After her death, sanitary conditions actually IMPROVED among people that she was supposedly helping.
If you want to be in suffering, I'd question your sanity. I'd recommend therapy. No one deserves to suffer. It's terrible for your mental health, and it's terrible for the mental health of your loved ones. But no one should make that decision FOR you. Thus, to allow someone ELSE to needlessly suffer for YOUR Christian values is just evil.
Or, put another way, by making people suffer Mother Teresa and the Catholic Hospital are sadistic torturers.
She never suffered herself though, did she. When she was ill she went abroad and received the best healthcare that her donors’ money could buy.
Canadian Catholic here. I can safely say that not all catholic branches in Canada subscribes to that ideology. My family has always supported quality of life over quantity of life. One of my uncles was brain dead after going through mysterious medical problems (they did find out what was going on, but by that time it was too late to save him) and we decided to "pull the plug" on him so that he wouldn't suffer any longer as we knew he would want. In a way, that is a type of medically-assisted suicide. About five years later, one of his sister-in-laws actually went through with MAID and we were all supportive of her choice and accepted it. It was a very beautiful death and her suffering finally ended.
Also, the process is that the requester needs to meet very specific criterias before then undergoing three separate interviews with three different doctors (one is a trauma doctor, one is a psychiatrist, and the last is one who specializes in the patient's specific medical condition) and all three must give their consent for it to happen. Once that's done, the patient then has the freedom to choose when they will end their life and the hospital will assist them. After getting the ok from the doctors, my aunt wanted to wait a month before going through with it, but then she received the news that her kidneys were shutting down and she said "no, i'm done suffering, i'm not going through anything more" so the timeline was brought up to a little under a week instead, the day after Valentine's day. Everybody said their goodbyes to her before hand, and Valentine's Day was spent with her husband, and as per her request, only him and their children were present when she passed the next day.
This is how MAID should be. What that poor woman went through is unconscionable and should never have had happen. It doesn't matter if the hospital was catholic-based or not, they must follow the laws before their religious dogma. Or at least, their interpretation of it. I fully support this family going after the hospital and suing them for malpractice. What they did is unforgivable and robbed both that family and their daughter's from the last few hours of her life and the chance to say goodbye and end it all peacefully and with dignity. There was nothing peaceful or dignified about this.
Did your uncle die in a Catholic hospital?
Since brain dead patients are already medically dead, life support is considered to be essentially futile in these cases unless the person is an organ donor. That’s why the plug is usually pulled after the patient’s family is informed about the situation. The patient’s family is allowed to say their goodbyes and give their consent to life support withdrawal.
@@ashamed2Byt No. He died in the largest hospital in the region, which is a public hospital, but the local hospital he was originally admitted to was one before they had to transfer him to the regional one as they didn't have the necessary equipment and tools to help him. Regardless, if the local Catholic hospital has a patient who needs medical treatment that goes against religious dogma and they have the tools and equipment necessary, they will do it.
I don’t understand why there are religious hospitals at all. Patients in secular hospitals can readily receive religious services, so I don’t understand why there is any need to try to combine healthcare with religion.
Because those religions want control. And who is easier to control than a captive patient? That's really it.
The same thing applies to other services the church doesn't approve of. A zillion years ago I wanted to get a vasectomy after we had two children. The local Catholic hospital of course refused to perform the procedure. Luckily there was another hospital nearby but what would it be like for folks that didn't have that option.
St Paul’s also doesn’t provide abortions. It’s a big problem.
sue them into TAXATION.
Very sad that the same people who are always on about the afterlife are the ones that won't let anybody go there when they want to.
"The only killing not condoned in the bible is the one made out of mercy"
-Aron Ra
I was thinking that exact same quote.
Yet there are any number of Catholic hospitals named Misericord or some variation of it. I was born in one. So typical of Catholics: name something after an instrument of merciful death (the misericord was a dagger used to give euthanasia on the battlefield to give mercy to the dying), then don't allow the merciful death they were named after.
Thanks for posting this. I am a Canadian and I was not aware of this story. It is a very sad story. I am ashamed of the behaviour of these Catholics.
Didn't mother theresa do something like this all the time? *edit yes she did not provide pain medication at her hospices (end of life care facilities) they love suffering
Yet received the best medical care abroad when she needed it, paid for by her donors.
@@kellydalstok8900 Wow I did not know that!
This is the exact reason I don't usually tell ppl I am religious, because of organizations like this. But, then again, I belong to a religion that believes assisted death is a right, not a sin. A religion that believes abortion and gender affirming care are rights, not sins. That the gods care nothing for human bigotry and kindness and compassion come above anything else, even if that compassion comes in the form of helping someone (from fetus to the elderly) to rejoin the gods before nature does it.
It is truly a sad world we live in when Fido is granted more compassion than Grandma. We won't let cats, dogs or mice suffer, but our family has to, not because of their religious convictions, but the religions of what amounts to total strangers.
Leaving this world on our terms is NOT a sin and I don't care if its suicide or assisted death due to terminal illness and/or pain. Death is a right as much as life is and if we choose to meet Him on our terms rather than nature's, then it should be a choice that as protected.
Its our lives, it should also be that it is our deaths too.
Just another example of the problems you can run into when dealing with people that claim they have an invisible friend that lives in sky.
So they forgot about the *do no harm* part? Disgusting.
My Baba just died of cancer.. she was eastern orthodox catholic and lived in Edmonton. she stuck it out to the end and died in her own home... she suffered so so much. I wanted to bring up MAID but I knew she already would have known what it was and being Catholic it was an option that would deny her a proper burrial and send her to hell. I love her and didnt want her to suffer but knew the mental anguish she was already going through along with the constant extreme pain she described as unique and like no other pain was more than she could handle already. Would I go that route? i dont know... i live in the states so i might not have a choice. I would probably go back to Canada to die in my home town if i had the choice and funds. I think getting to face death with open eyes instead of a blur of pain and medications would be preferable... getting to ask everyone to come and hug and cry and then die... one last final choice that is my own would be nice. instead of fading into an agony haze...
the dark side of MAID being talked about by disability activists is it is being offered to ppl who don't ask for it but are disabled and "difficult" for the system. being disabled and impoverished apparently qualifies. You're supposed to bring it up on your own and be evaluated by multiple specialists ie mental health, social worker, relevant doctor (no coercion or cure present).. I think there was a woman in BC last year who accepted MAID but didnt want it. she just had a chronic condition and poverty the government wasn't helping her with...
I feel like we continually get the worst of all worlds with a lot of things, MAID very much included.
While I was cheering that MAiD was finally allowed in my home country, I was disheartened to hear about it being pushed onto the poor & disabled, & onto veterans with incurable conditions. That's not how this should work. Everyone is worth the moon, rich or poor, & we shouldn't be pushing euthanasia onto people who actually want to live.
It's not that they don't want you to seek peace on your own terms. These kinds of people don't want you to be able to do ANYTHING in your own terms, only THEIR terms. It's not about love, or protecting life, it's about control!
God can kill himself for your sins, but can't forgive the sin of killing yourself for excessive pain and poor quality of life.
This etire story makes me sick. The parents better win that lawsuit
I never want to be admitted to any religious affiliated hospital. Pregnant women should definitely avoid them.
In my state in Australia we now have access to voluntary assisted dieing but because the state leader is a Catholic and doesn't like it so put multiple roadblocks to make it harder to have access. Keep religion out of our laws.
Ten States and D.C. in the U.S. have approved medical assistance in dying ("MAID") as of July 2024. Several other States are on the cusp of approving it. The MAID laws in every State, as in Canada, allow for individuals and even entire religious healthcare institutions to consciously object to this practice. And they are not even required to provide a reference to healthcare systems and individual doctors who do MAID.
It is advisable that anyone who has even just begun to consider asking for MAID to ensure, at that initial moment, that they are in a healthcare system and have individual doctors who will work with their choice.
I’m a Canadian. I live in Edmonton. The covenant foundation here is catholic. They run a lot of hospitals. They take taxpayer money and don’t provide reproductive healthcare to women who require it. They also certainly deny medically assisted dying. This must be that Christian love I hear about all the time. I support her lawsuit!
I'm a Providence patient in Oregon, and my dad was told the same thing when he was in hospice with COPD.
Reminds me of the time that young woman with terminal brain cancer - Brittany Maynard - decided to end her life at a time and place of her choosing. One letter she received from a Catholic clergyman begged her to stay alive SO SHE COULD REMAIN AN INSPIRATION TO OTHERS. He wanted her to continue to suffer so others could draw inspiration from her suffering.
These people are SICK.
Religion shouldn't be making medical decisions that restrict the choices of the patients.
My nephew withheld pain medication from my dying mother because he didn't want her addicted. Like that's not going to be an issue since she's not going to get better but at least his grandmother isn't addicted to pain meds. Just stupid
I knew it was providence before you even named them. They're horrible.
I'm Canadian and though there is free health care, things are not done in a timely manner at all. It makes me question if she could have been operated on if treated properly earlier. So note to self, stay away from that hospital.
Time to truly adhere to separation of state and church! Too late for that poor woman
I used to work in labor and delivery at the closest hospital to a major Catholic Medical Center and at least once a month would see patients that were turned away because of religious judgments made by medical staff at the hospital. Most frequently it would be women who reported to the ER with abdominal pain and would be given a pregnancy test, which is standard procedure, but when that pregnancy test was positive their pain was dismissed, they were treated like they were attempting to get an abortion and were sent home without further investigation. In less than a year I saw a half a dozen women who needed to have their ectopic pregnancy’s surgically removed leading to them potentially never being able to have children. Most of those women probably didn’t need surgery if the Catholic hospital had bothered to look for one of the most common causes of abdominal pain in a first trimester pregnant woman. These pregnancies will not result in live births and can kill pregnant women if not treated, if caught early most ectopic pregnancies can be treated with medication’s that don’t result in major surgery and the loss of part of the woman’s reproductive organs. It’s medical malpractice at best but the way these women all talked about how as soon as they stopped being a sympathetic patient to being morally degenerate in the eyes of medical staff they felt so stigmatized and helpless.
I mostly heard stories from pregnant women or people who would been suspected of using drugs but anyone who came in and was judged to be morally inferior wouldn’t be treated and often wouldn’t be evaluated. My own dad was refused treatment when he presented with profuse vomiting and confusion. The doctor saw him, told my mother he was drunk and to take him home and let him sleep it off. No amount of my mother saying that my dad hadn’t been drinking could convince them otherwise, it didn’t matter that neither he nor his vomit smelled like alcohol, they just sent him home. The next ER realized he had food poisoning and after two IV bags of fluids and several anti-nausea medication’s he started being able to answer doctor’s questions coherently for the first time in two days.
Religion has no place in medicine it is an active hindrance to health and safety of any patient. If you ever have the opportunity to vote for a law or a candidate that will give public funds to places that at their core can’t, and have already said that they won’t, provide the best care possible but only to certain people, please vote no. Even if you agree with them when they tell you certain kinds of people or conditions that they don’t wanna treat, just know that they don’t stop their discrimination only those people. As soon as you allow them to pick and choose what they want to do it will just encourage them to withhold treatment from even more people for even more petty reasons and they will feel morally superior doing it.
Thank you. I live in Canada.. and it seems to me the idea of respecting other people’s situation and trying to understand their feelings and subsequent decisions they make. We can all see the horror happening in the US right now… it is atrocious., and if it isn’t stopped I see we are in for a potnetial new Dark Ages… for the sake of cowards afraid of what they are told they should be fearful of, according to the beliefs of a religion…when religion decides they will run things people lose rights.. and end up living their lives for the purposes of someone else’s beliefs. Not exactly what a democracy should stand for.
oh and one thing to point out here, when ever i go to a new doc or hospital, if they ask what religion i am i put none. the hospital doctor doesn't need to know unless i decide to offer the information myself. also i suggest from now on when you see a doc or nurse ask if their religious beliefs would prevent them from serving your specific medical needs.
Bodily Autonomy should be in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.