I find this to be very consistent of EIE , I have an uncle and brother in law due to the age gap (there are nuances) but they are basically the same and as you describe . Good job Abba Jack.
@@witheringintheclouds take your own advice the comment was 9 months ago im not the only one to comment so this must be personal for you to have sought me out so you're the one with no life feces 4 brains
I agree it aligns with MBTI to a degree with not CPT as Ti isn't seen as an aspirational function but rather an integral aspect of the conscious psyche; for this reason I believe I'd be typed differently in socionics and probably the equivalent of a Ti dom.
How do you feel subtypes of a 3 play in this . I’m looking at especially the sx 3. About do you have any advice on how to stop thinking everyone is evil ? Haha
I think a great example of an EIE was Anna Politkovskaya a Russian journalist who was shot dead for her reporting in Chechnya & human rights abuses in Russia more broadly. I'm new to socionics as I ascribe to CPT & have been typed by them as a divergent TiNi ENFJ; I think the role of TiNi is greatly downplayed in MBTI as FeSe acts at the behest of a TiNi agenda in CPT. I'm looking forward to deep diving into your content further as this site was recommended by a fellow CPT enthusiast. I do think ENFJs are only as good as their Ti & ability to convey that via FeSe. As you say ENFJs do look for global impact of their theorisation. A very misunderstood & often mistyped into type in MBTI I believe. We're actually one of the most scientifically versatile of the types owing to our TiNi abstract holisticism. Ps do you offer a socionics typing service? I'm interested to see what I'd be typed as as Ti-Se is not something aspirational for me at all indeed quite the converse; articulating the key principles is indeed a strength - in CPT the notion of the inferior function unlike MBTI does not exist it's rather denoted as the oppositional whereby Fe & Ti exist on an inextricable axis and Ti can be fully integrated in the ENFJs psyche, of which I am one. As a divergent subtype actually Ti takes precedence within the psyche as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda. For this reason I believe I'd receive a different type code in socionics. As a divergent subtype my TiNi is rendered convergent and thus is constantly in the process of reformulation thus I perceive that the truth is multifaceted and only ever an approximation. Plus I'm adamantly against employing any kind of ideology; I'd prefer to formulate and decipher for myself. My Fi is also rated as weak by CPT; actually FiSi convergence were rated as my lowest in conscious magnitude. Apologies for the tangents but I'd love to get your perspective on this through being typed. I do think that socionics has a degree of behaviourism attached to it unlike the purely cognitive connotations of CPT.
A key concept to Socionics, and I would say, Jungian typology in general, is asymmetry. So if someone is an ENFJ, I wouldn't expect them to be showing much Ti at all. A need for Ti from others, yes, but the idea that an ENFJ is only as good as their Ti seems to me to be missing the point. The ENFJ should promote Fe, supported by Ni right off the bat, and over time, work to develop their Se. Ti should remain a need to be fulfilled. The ENFJ succeeds in the outer world, becomes famous, gains influence and respect, despite their lack of Ti but will lack coherence, ideological foundation and a clear sense of self. They are fulfilled and brought into balance when someone else provides Ti in the right way. I do offer a typing service. Please email me at worldsocionics@hotmail.com and we can sort that out. It seems to me that it's unlikely that you will get ENFJ as a result, so I think this will be quite interesting.
Hello, does Fe-base cares to be loved? Or that is Fe mobilizing thing? I see someone saying that is Fe mob, but most of these famous EIE cares to be a cultural reference and be praised
It depends on the EIEs vision and message they want to spread I guess. Hitler has spread a message of Hatred and Prejudice. Jesus preached the opposite, and so does Kendrick Llamar (who is a fucking inspiration and a half for EIEs all around the world). I choose the latter lol.
@@Apple_Teck Yes. In many cases, understanding how problems in mental health surface in a person is an important way to assessing personality type. Any type can have anxiety or depression, but it is crucial to know how that interacts with type in the person. Furthermore, some personality disorders can be seen as extremities of certain types, like Avoidant Personality being an extremity of the INTJ type, while Schizoid Personality more likely an extremity of the INTP. Histrionic Personality is much more often found in ENFJs.
@@WorldSocionics Currently, I am skeptical of your hypothesis, that certain personalities have exclusivity towards certain personality disorders; however, it is good to know that you have made the connection with personality typology and some forms of mental disorders. Out of curiosity, have you conducted your own empirical studies, or is your hypothesis based on your own experience?
I'm getting to the point in studying typology with seeing all these various discrepencies in typing. That maybe to a degree this is all BS. I swear the more and more I study type and come across various typists. The more difficulty I am having. FKn elon musk for example trend in typing him was 5 then to 1 then to 7 in enneagram system. Others saying he is intj 100% to intp to entp to entj. Then the teachers themselves pop up mistyped with other large foundations completely disagreeing with their type. Which then destroys the entire foundation for that teacher's theories in typing...idk I am almost at fuck all of this mess.Socionics, MBTI, and Enneagram. Some truth but not enough.
Duality is a real thing, my best friends for life were all EIEs.
I find this to be very consistent of EIE , I have an uncle and brother in law due to the age gap (there are nuances) but they are basically the same and as you describe .
Good job Abba Jack.
nice profile couldn't be absolutely cringe in every way
get a life
@@witheringintheclouds take your own advice the comment was 9 months ago im not the only one to comment so this must be personal for you to have sought me out so you're the one with no life feces 4 brains
Great information on Socionics for this type. I found your channel through the CZcams algorithm today. Thanks for sharing! 🌟🌟🌟
Good work, Jack. Congratulations on your newborn!
great explanation, i believe i am EIE
Great explanations
The icon I'll take that lol great video Handsome
U were able to touch things that not discussed in other channel
This sounds exactly like the ENFJ in mbti.
I think mistyping best explains how one self identifies with being ENFJ in only one system.
I agree it aligns with MBTI to a degree with not CPT as Ti isn't seen as an aspirational function but rather an integral aspect of the conscious psyche; for this reason I believe I'd be typed differently in socionics and probably the equivalent of a Ti dom.
How do you feel subtypes of a 3 play in this . I’m looking at especially the sx 3. About do you have any advice on how to stop thinking everyone is evil ? Haha
Thank you
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I think a great example of an EIE was Anna Politkovskaya a Russian journalist who was shot dead for her reporting in Chechnya & human rights abuses in Russia more broadly. I'm new to socionics as I ascribe to CPT & have been typed by them as a divergent TiNi ENFJ; I think the role of TiNi is greatly downplayed in MBTI as FeSe acts at the behest of a TiNi agenda in CPT. I'm looking forward to deep diving into your content further as this site was recommended by a fellow CPT enthusiast. I do think ENFJs are only as good as their Ti & ability to convey that via FeSe. As you say ENFJs do look for global impact of their theorisation. A very misunderstood & often mistyped into type in MBTI I believe. We're actually one of the most scientifically versatile of the types owing to our TiNi abstract holisticism. Ps do you offer a socionics typing service? I'm interested to see what I'd be typed as as Ti-Se is not something aspirational for me at all indeed quite the converse; articulating the key principles is indeed a strength - in CPT the notion of the inferior function unlike MBTI does not exist it's rather denoted as the oppositional whereby Fe & Ti exist on an inextricable axis and Ti can be fully integrated in the ENFJs psyche, of which I am one. As a divergent subtype actually Ti takes precedence within the psyche as Fe acts at the behest of a Ti agenda. For this reason I believe I'd receive a different type code in socionics. As a divergent subtype my TiNi is rendered convergent and thus is constantly in the process of reformulation thus I perceive that the truth is multifaceted and only ever an approximation. Plus I'm adamantly against employing any kind of ideology; I'd prefer to formulate and decipher for myself. My Fi is also rated as weak by CPT; actually FiSi convergence were rated as my lowest in conscious magnitude. Apologies for the tangents but I'd love to get your perspective on this through being typed. I do think that socionics has a degree of behaviourism attached to it unlike the purely cognitive connotations of CPT.
A key concept to Socionics, and I would say, Jungian typology in general, is asymmetry. So if someone is an ENFJ, I wouldn't expect them to be showing much Ti at all. A need for Ti from others, yes, but the idea that an ENFJ is only as good as their Ti seems to me to be missing the point. The ENFJ should promote Fe, supported by Ni right off the bat, and over time, work to develop their Se. Ti should remain a need to be fulfilled. The ENFJ succeeds in the outer world, becomes famous, gains influence and respect, despite their lack of Ti but will lack coherence, ideological foundation and a clear sense of self. They are fulfilled and brought into balance when someone else provides Ti in the right way.
I do offer a typing service. Please email me at worldsocionics@hotmail.com and we can sort that out. It seems to me that it's unlikely that you will get ENFJ as a result, so I think this will be quite interesting.
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Steve jobs? Can do a video or write up on the blog about him being eie
Hi eie here
Hello, does Fe-base cares to be loved? Or that is Fe mobilizing thing? I see someone saying that is Fe mob, but most of these famous EIE cares to be a cultural reference and be praised
I can't speak for all EIEs but I can speak for myself, I do indeed desire to be loved just as I love everyone unconditionally lol
It depends on the EIEs vision and message they want to spread I guess. Hitler has spread a message of Hatred and Prejudice. Jesus preached the opposite, and so does Kendrick Llamar (who is a fucking inspiration and a half for EIEs all around the world). I choose the latter lol.
Would you say chase from CSJ is an ENFJ?
Chase typed Freddy Mercury and Hitler as ENTPs.
Yes
Chase looks like Freddie Mercury now days
CSJ is definitely not an ENFJ yes he might be more directive in his Fe but I'd posit he's an ESTJ (they do dip into Fe in CPT)
Short question, how much does a diagnostic type interview cost?
£100 to book an interview, email worldsocionics@hotmail.com
Hey Jack, can we get LIE done right? Thanks buddy.
When my newborn baby allows, yes
@World Socionics Society oh damn! Congratulations! Good luck on that Sir.
how can i not "die early"
What are the common enneagrams for EIEs?
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@@radiatormike would So3 be possible? Descriptions make them come across as emotionally repressive which would be contradictory to Fe base no?
SO2 is probably the most common
Most likely 3
@@WorldSocionics but which variant? So3 is described as being emotionally suppressive. Does this not oppose the nature of Fe base?
No man... 4/8?
Kanye West? Freddie Mercury?
David Bowie?
Hilarious.
Don’t tell me you also have Steve Jobs and Hitler as ENFj’s?
😂
Yes, to understand that Kanye West is ENFJ is to understand the ENFJ.
Question, in your typing, is the subjects mental health ever taken into consideration?
@@Apple_Teck Yes. In many cases, understanding how problems in mental health surface in a person is an important way to assessing personality type. Any type can have anxiety or depression, but it is crucial to know how that interacts with type in the person. Furthermore, some personality disorders can be seen as extremities of certain types, like Avoidant Personality being an extremity of the INTJ type, while Schizoid Personality more likely an extremity of the INTP. Histrionic Personality is much more often found in ENFJs.
@@WorldSocionics Currently, I am skeptical of your hypothesis, that certain personalities have exclusivity towards certain personality disorders; however, it is good to know that you have made the connection with personality typology and some forms of mental disorders.
Out of curiosity, have you conducted your own empirical studies, or is your hypothesis based on your own experience?
I'm getting to the point in studying typology with seeing all these various discrepencies in typing. That maybe to a degree this is all BS. I swear the more and more I study type and come across various typists. The more difficulty I am having. FKn elon musk for example trend in typing him was 5 then to 1 then to 7 in enneagram system. Others saying he is intj 100% to intp to entp to entj. Then the teachers themselves pop up mistyped with other large foundations completely disagreeing with their type. Which then destroys the entire foundation for that teacher's theories in typing...idk I am almost at fuck all of this mess.Socionics, MBTI, and Enneagram. Some truth but not enough.
Thank u . Any tips im ISFP & my wife is ENFJ .