I got to spend time with my esi sister today who was in town and because of the way you framed it , I actually had a good time with her . I got to see her thru this lens fully and not my projections and everything went smoothly thank you man
You wrote "Hence [the ignoring function] is 3D in potential. But only valued 1D." Could you please write in in other words, rephrase it in another way? Also, what do you exactly mean by the inferior is 3D in potential? I'm simply asking because I never heard about this yet, but it seems interesting, so i wpuld be interested to learn some more about it from someone (You :)) who seems to know more about that specific topic. Thank you for your help!
Hey Jared ,I have seen your comment about introverted sensing types being the same in both mbti and socionics as opposed to the popular notion of J and P switch.I observed the same as I am typed Isfp in mbti and I relate more to SEI in socionics.Most folks are saying that I would be an ESI in socionics because of the order of functions.But I can't relate to the type description of ESI.I did quandra test and it came to be in alpha quadra.Im a noob in socionics so I'm curious to hear your take on this.
I rather got a kick out of this. I have a friend at work who I think is also Gamma, and she has told me that other people have come up to her and asked her about me. Apparently, I come off as intimidating? She just told them that I am actually quite nice and that they should go talk to me. XD
ESI doesn’t seem very nurturing while isfj does. Even though esi is supposedly a feeling type, it seems like a rational type based on the descriptions. “Least emotionally warm” - i can see this as being true for esi, but not for isfj.
I just watched an episode of OP Personality Trainer where an ISFP/ISFJ was literally typed backwards as ENTJ, which had "maskulin double activated FI"... Sure.
Jinx from Arcane is ESI sx6. Honestly, every combination is possible and some are just more probable. I've seen though that ESI has 6 in the tritype almost every time (and even thinking about ESI behavior makes sense with a 6).
Esi is responsible and productive, ili is imaginative and lazy. I’m like both of them, because i’m responsible/productive and imaginative. Socionics doesn’t have a type that is both imaginative and responsible/productive. A flaw of the system imo.
My mother was an ISFJ in mbti and Socionics. Which is an ESI Guardian. As FiSe in Socionics = Inner Fi value judgements enforced in the Se world. Will Jack highlight this Socionics cognitive grammar differences with mbti in this video? Since he is choosing to use the mbti letters, here is hoping. If not most people watching this will erroneously think you got to do a J and P switch because they are introverts. But alas as Jack is not using the small j and p they won't have a clue as to what type he is talking about. To avoid confusion Jack should make a small j and p for the introverted intuitives, and that is it.
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso where did peacekeeper come from, that’s not what guardian means in this context unless I missed something? And E9s are very Si-oriented
@@euph1na thats what 9s are called peacemakers they are gut types, for a fi-se that's pretty sensible , then there is also tritype So since there is no school or official way to look at things aside from the source material and whatever echo chambers are out there what would be the issue of a esi type 9 the word guardian and peacekeeper are related esi has 4d si
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso yeah but it’s unvalued, they’d rather use Se. And guardian refers to ESI’s way of strongly defending what is dear to them. Peacemaker isn’t related to guardian in this way because 9s would rather merge with their environment to keep internal peace/not look into themselves, however I’m using my understanding of E9 to know what “peacemaker” means in this context. For another definition of E9 “peacemaker” could be more related to ESI. (So I put later what definition I’m using). How is gut related to FiSe? Gut is vague, more specifically for E9 they deal with anger, and their way of doing this is “forgetting” it. I’d say a RHETI 9 works with ESI though. I just don’t think Naranjo’s 9 works. And I don’t think tritype influences it all that much to the point that the core type isn’t really core anymore.
it should be obvious what hes doing. hes explaining his nomenclature at 1:25 and everyone should be able to understand which type it is. And when it comes the general J P switch he has a whole video about why theres no 1:1 translation anyway from MBTI to socionics wether you switch or not.
@@chrisd.2831 I disagree with him. I hold there is a 1 to 1 correlation for 12 of the properly typed types. Just not the 4 introverted sensors. Most of the noncorrelations are due to mistyping on both sides.
Damn this is so accurate, every word was on point. I'm an male ESI.
Everything in this video is very accurate. I also mistyped an ISFj as ESTj once 😮
Very interesting personality.
Are you ESI
I got to spend time with my esi sister today who was in town and because of the way you framed it , I actually had a good time with her .
I got to see her thru this lens fully and not my projections and everything went smoothly thank you man
The ignoring function is strong in information. Weak in energy. Hence it is 3D in potential. But only valued 1D.
You wrote "Hence [the ignoring function] is 3D in potential. But only valued 1D."
Could you please write in in other words, rephrase it in another way?
Also, what do you exactly mean by the inferior is 3D in potential?
I'm simply asking because I never heard about this yet, but it seems interesting, so i wpuld be interested to learn some more about it from someone (You :)) who seems to know more about that specific topic.
Thank you for your help!
EII-Fi can be similar and not be so naive as you described them in the EII video.
My ISFJ mother is no doormat.
Is ESI in socionics ISFP in MBTI ? Because 'The guardian' in MBTI is an ISFJ not the ISFP 'adventurer'.
Mine neither, very critical, demanding, hardworking, anxious and sometimes paranoid
@@nikitimmermans yes. ESI (ISFj) would equate to ISFP in MBTI. the poster just prefers to refer to ESI as ISFJ rather than ISFj for some reason
ESIs use 4D Si more in their jobs.
But they value their 3D Se more than Si in their close relationships.
Hey Jared ,I have seen your comment about introverted sensing types being the same in both mbti and socionics as opposed to the popular notion of J and P switch.I observed the same as I am typed Isfp in mbti and I relate more to SEI in socionics.Most folks are saying that I would be an ESI in socionics because of the order of functions.But I can't relate to the type description of ESI.I did quandra test and it came to be in alpha quadra.Im a noob in socionics so I'm curious to hear your take on this.
I rather got a kick out of this. I have a friend at work who I think is also Gamma, and she has told me that other people have come up to her and asked her about me. Apparently, I come off as intimidating? She just told them that I am actually quite nice and that they should go talk to me. XD
Always soooo spot on.
My ISFj sister has a fierce Fi while a close friend of mine of the same type has a trauma-infected Fi.
If you don't consider it private matter, would please tell how you see the differences between their Fi (Fi vs "traumatized Fi")?
Thank you
ESI doesn’t seem very nurturing while isfj does. Even though esi is supposedly a feeling type, it seems like a rational type based on the descriptions. “Least emotionally warm” - i can see this as being true for esi, but not for isfj.
ESI nurtures, just more like a mother bear or wolf. Protective.
I just watched an episode of OP Personality Trainer where an ISFP/ISFJ was literally typed backwards as ENTJ, which had "maskulin double activated FI"... Sure.
Good video as always!
Regarding enneagram subtypes, do you think ESI can be a type 6 sexual?
Jinx from Arcane is ESI sx6. Honestly, every combination is possible and some are just more probable. I've seen though that ESI has 6 in the tritype almost every time (and even thinking about ESI behavior makes sense with a 6).
Possible, but I think most ESIs will be type 1.
@winggoddess Sorry but i've typed 5/6 ESI close to me until now and the types more likely in tritype are 2,4,6,8,9. 1 is usually LIE instead.
ESTJ please!
next upload will be
Can someone please explain the difference of ESI to ILI? They sound really similar…
Esi is responsible and productive, ili is imaginative and lazy. I’m like both of them, because i’m responsible/productive and imaginative. Socionics doesn’t have a type that is both imaginative and responsible/productive. A flaw of the system imo.
They are similar, but also different. The biggest differences lie in one being an SF, the other an NT.
ISFJs are too intense. They own INTP.
What exactly do you mean by that?
Or could you please rephrase it in another way?
Thank you
scary type on god
What's scary about us?
I agree, we ESI can be scary for dishonest people 😂.
It's "ISFj" not "ISFJ". Correct title: "ISFj - "The Guardian" - ESI - Not what you think it is"
Dude, are u married to a SEI?
How much u value duality in general?
Very much and the kind of complementary diversity offered by duality is backed up in empirical research into teamwork.
My mother was an ISFJ in mbti and Socionics. Which is an ESI Guardian. As FiSe in Socionics = Inner Fi value judgements enforced in the Se world.
Will Jack highlight this Socionics cognitive grammar differences with mbti in this video?
Since he is choosing to use the mbti letters, here is hoping.
If not most people watching this will erroneously think you got to do a J and P switch because they are introverts.
But alas as Jack is not using the small j and p they won't have a clue as to what type he is talking about.
To avoid confusion Jack should make a small j and p for the introverted intuitives, and that is it.
Can ESI's be type 9?
Probably no.
@@vitonzo-lo9865 why not ? guardian /peacemakers
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso where did peacekeeper come from, that’s not what guardian means in this context unless I missed something?
And E9s are very Si-oriented
@@euph1na thats what 9s are called peacemakers they are gut types, for a fi-se that's pretty sensible , then there is also tritype
So since there is no school or official way to look at things aside from the source material and whatever echo chambers are out there what would be the issue of a esi type 9 the word guardian and peacekeeper are related
esi has 4d si
@@Heyokasireniei468sxso yeah but it’s unvalued, they’d rather use Se. And guardian refers to ESI’s way of strongly defending what is dear to them. Peacemaker isn’t related to guardian in this way because 9s would rather merge with their environment to keep internal peace/not look into themselves, however I’m using my understanding of E9 to know what “peacemaker” means in this context. For another definition of E9 “peacemaker” could be more related to ESI. (So I put later what definition I’m using).
How is gut related to FiSe? Gut is vague, more specifically for E9 they deal with anger, and their way of doing this is “forgetting” it.
I’d say a RHETI 9 works with ESI though. I just don’t think Naranjo’s 9 works. And I don’t think tritype influences it all that much to the point that the core type isn’t really core anymore.
Weak and INERT intuition = Keirsey's Guardians
You did not make it clear there is no J and P switch when correlating the closest match to mbti.
That rule only applies to introverted intuitives.
it should be obvious what hes doing. hes explaining his nomenclature at 1:25 and everyone should be able to understand which type it is. And when it comes the general J P switch he has a whole video about why theres no 1:1 translation anyway from MBTI to socionics wether you switch or not.
@@chrisd.2831 I disagree with him. I hold there is a 1 to 1 correlation for 12 of the properly typed types. Just not the 4 introverted sensors.
Most of the noncorrelations are due to mistyping on both sides.
@@jaredvaughan1665 I know that you disagree. And I agree. Whatever.
Well this was both offensive and accurate 💀