Will This One Change Put KTM Back On Top?
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This Week in MXA episode 157, presented by O'Neal, features the new 2024-1/2 KTM Factory Edition models, where Josh Mosiman talks about the updates that have been made to the new KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas 250/450 bikes. And, Josh talks briefly about the new Ducati 450. We also just released our new MXA Fantasy App, which is available to download for free on the App store for iPhones and Google Play store for Androids, and we talk about it here. Plus, we hear from Nique Thury and Kris Palm at the Yamaha Supercross test track as well.
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Give it a year or 2.. KTM is going to come out with solenoid controllable valving, so they will be able to map the track (just like on the ECU) and be able to adjust the valving in the suspension based on acceleration, front/rear bias, braking pressures, wheel speed, RPM, gear ...... literally everything they can do with that ECU, they will be able to use to adjust valving and suspension on the fly. Now THAT will be a game changer..
Hey do not leak new features.. 😂
There is full mapping for a lot more things other things are still a safety issue..
You really don’t wanna see it the street bikes with it are already limited on adjustablity n full of issues
@@justinmachado6957 Yeah the street bikes have a thing called homolugation which is dependent on the engine settings and also vehicle dynamics as one has to be certified. So that you can change even a little thing is crazy effort and is cost wise probably not worth it. There was a time where that didn’t fall into that so one could basically change everything but this time is over.
It needs for sure more time todo than a the street version simply because off-road basically is military+ standard. I guess first some sensors for measuring expansion and retraction.
@@platin2148That was convoluted.
Next those KTM's will just hit the track without a Rider....you can just sit in the truck and watch on your phone 😅
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Seems like every few years the engineers decide they need a super stiff frame then it takes everyone a year or two to soften it back up. I think really rigid frames makes sense on paper (or CAD) where it should be the suspension job to create plushness and traction, but then they cheap out on the production suspension components when even the very top of the line works stuff isn't good enough to make up the differences. Flexible steel frames was the whole thing that made KTMs good but I guess the engineers just can't help themselves.
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these days too much R & D is done on the computer by guys who really know little about racing or wrenching with the emphasis on making change for changes sake and make things look cool before anything else , too much theory and then when they hit production the guys at the sharp end have to try and dial it in
@@orange1666 Its like air forks and shocks, they techs love them because they are lightweight and are easy to adjust the spring rate, but most people either hate them are find they are good enough, nobody likes them more than springs
@no control your rite but only good for flexy flexy second gear only Holeshotacross , the Outdoors the real measure of a bike its like why have 6 gears when you can only use 3 safely with that terrible WP gear and a mushy frame. Even the Factory level the pros get spat off those bikes , just ask Webb he tells it like it is Ktm trying to kill him haha . Ive liked Marvin M for years and as soon as he pushed his bike it would frighten him and away goes the fast guys last 10 mins of the motos . Marvs wallet would be big though so whats a few Championships he may have had on a decent bike.
@@recbros7586🤡
I love these Video's. Thanks Josh and the MXA Crew ❤❤
Love KTMs ! I am proud to own one of each model ! they just keep getting better and better ! Merry Christmas !
Thanks Josh great information on KTM new bikes and over new bikes coming into Mx awesome 👍🇬🇧🇺🇲
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All KTM had to do was go back to the 21' frame, there I fixed for you!
Hi Josh and Action Mag Team. I’ve been tracking your shows for a while now, from down under in Australia. I just thought I’d flick you guys a comment to say I enjoy and appreciate the show. It’s very informative. I love that you are involved with the Christian MX camps. Oh to be a kid again.
Wishing you and team a great Christmas time with family celebrating the greatest Gift ever. 🎉❤. Take care till next year. Paul. 😊
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Thanks for watching and the kind words Paul! We appreciate it!
@@recbros7586 True that. Keep close.
Is there any way I can find out which pros, if any big names are racing SX/Moto/MXGP with the shorter Husky chassis???
Tomac get first dibs on the fresh track? Straight beast mode
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If the guys that buy the Ducati MX bike are the same as the road bike owners, they'll be 50 year olds With All the Gear and No Idea. Ha ha.
Glad I bought a 24 ktm cause I wouldn’t change a thing about that bike. It’s been nothing but confidence inspiring and honestly I’ve never enjoyed riding my dirtbike so much. I have an xc model with the spring forks though and they’re a huge improvement over the previous gen I had with the air forks which felt so harsh. Just my thoughts on them
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Totally! I think this talk of the frame being too stiff is way overblown.
Your statement proves that the bikes are all so good and so close that the brand doesn’t make a difference. Look at Kenny, kicking ass on the Suzuki and everyone flames the rmz. The only reason a team wins is because of the riders.
@@dustin9035 kenny’s team has rotated in parts from other suzuki models, and he has great mechanic-suspension people. they have used two different brands of suspension, both tuned in to what he likes. it’s both the rider and the team. all the bikes are a pretty good platform , true
Good to see the sport and industry growing!!!!
Don't forget the prices
The only reasons KTM is not wearing the #1 plate is Jett Lawrence, and Eli Tomac. Jett could win on 95 cr250. lol. All the bikes are absolutely fantastic.
The YZ450F is a superior bike at this point. For the record, I love KTMs but they missed the mark on the most recent Chassis changes. You also have to spend thousands of dollars on cone valve conversions on the KTMs to get a fork that is almost as good as a stock KYB.
@@American_Enigma i could not disagree more. We have a 2023 yz250f and 2023 ktm250sxf both with a bit over 20 hours. I like the ktm 7 days a week. It’s motor is better, it shifts better, and has better brakes and fits me better. Maybe your a pro, and there something the Yamaha does for you that the ktm does not. But for me, an average 48 year old vet rider, I love the KTM. They are all fantastic bikes.
@@joelballard4955 It's okay to disagree boss man. No reason to get so defensive. I'm not a pro but I can throw a bike around pretty well. The only thing I'll say about your rebuttal is it doesn't actually relate to my response. We were talking about the 450...not the 250s. And I'm absolutely thrilled you like your KTM better...in fact maybe you should just sell the Yamaha and get another KTM. I've actually owned several Yamaha and KTMs through the years. While a lot of this stuff really just comes down to preference, there is a reason most reviews and riders prefer the Yamaha over the KTM these days. It actually makes me a sad, as the previous Chassis was much better. But since you are talking about 250s, Yamaha has absolutely dominated the 250 class for the last decade. I only bring this up because your original argument was relating to the #1 plate.
No not all the bikes are fantastic , euro bikes are terrible facts , yes they do have a bizzillion dollar marketing budget to fool the sheeple but there are better bikes period , pro novice A grade you name it far better bikes. Industry loves the ktmhuskabergs heaps of money to be made out of the euro bikes. Suspension guys get to look like masters of there domain fixing that WP shite and make good money , mechanics well business has never never been so good so who is going to complain about that. Defiantly not Brought To You bt KTMHUskaGas MXA. Owned for the propaganda of Pierre and the Chinese manufacturers.
@@American_Enigma so true , they have been off the mark for a long time , they need to buy all the top riders again like the Dunge days because that helps a poor bike when the competition is owned by the brand except the Real Champ legend Tomac who deified the odds of the say 9 top riders on different colored ktm times of the past ripping that Kawi.. Remarkable if you research it , Tomac even Roczen on the satellite team Rch Suzuki dusted up the fancy bikes in the Outdoors.
Merry Christmas MXA!
this is so cool! instead of doing that pain in the ass maintenance on your bike , and physical training on yourself, you can spend more time on your phone pretending you are an engineer!
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This data is going to be a big one up for Ktm teams. Just being able to see so much info from the bikes and use that to chip away lap times could possibly be a huge deal.
This tech is what bikes should have come with at least 10 years ago in my opinion , good to have it now.
There is such a thing as TOO MUCH technology. What happened to just riding your motorcycle?
Is it possible to change settings for mapping based on where you are in the race track? Like F1 does. Different settings for whoops for example?
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Safety concerns. So if you want that it has to be asked and punched into feedback to the dealers and ktm itself.
Smart phones got us by the ba!%s 🤣
Awesome video. Great content!
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Sounds like dynamic mapping is next. For now, can your crew alter your map while you are racing?
Nice on the stache and are we getting some 5 o clock shadow?
I've already said from 2019 that KTM went backwards with the stiff frames....hopefully this new frame will do the job!
They should have never went away from the old frame. I still have my 21.5 rockstar edition. I’ve gone two stroke though so it’s gettin sold however, Seems the realization hasn’t hit the entire community yet about the updated ktm frame yet. People are buying the 23/24’s up like hotcakes and you can’t convince someone the older chassis was better and the new one was out in left field. Lol. One look at their results the last 2 seasons and the fiasco with cooper is all you need to know about that hahah. That and how quickly they made a big chassis change.
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Guess I’ll be buying a ‘25 😂
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Hi Josh…did you just say Schmart Phone at 5:45! 😜🤣🤣🤣
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Triumph drug it out so long it's not even interesting anymore.
Yeah, and its still all hype!
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I have a 2021 250sxf and the shock is one of the worst shocks I’ve ever been on. It’s erratic, it’s crazy harsh, I get kicked side to side more than any bike I’ve ever ridden. I’m going to try and put some aftermarket linkage on it, see if that helps settle that rear end down. I would have bought another Austrian bike already, but because this bike is so poorly suspended, I’m going to wait until I can afford some good KYB stuff I can bolt onto the new bike when I buy it
Weird my 22 450sxf is by far the best bike I've ever ridden. Absolutely love it.
Ho una Husqvarna modello 2023,e dopo quarantacinque anni di motocross posso dire che è una
moto che va benissimo, rispetto al modello 2022 non ha paragoni,e poi non C'è nessuna sospensione che non si può migliorare,ma con il telaio del modello 2023 la moto secondo me' è perfetta,ho cambiato solo l'olio della forcella a quindi ore
A quindici ore
@FalseHope61 How much do you weigh? I had this problem on a bike before and going stiffer fixed it. It was hitting the bump stop and kicking. I went from a 5.5 spring to 6.0, and have the LS comp clicker all the way closed. 10 times better bike now.
@@andrewdynes5300 145 pounds before gear. I’ve got a 3.9 spring on there right now. It’s gotten to the point where my skill level is far above what the bike can handle. We did a comparison video between me riding my father’s Yamaha 250F. With a 5.2 spring on it, and my KTM, with the 3.9, and you can CLEARLY see there is an issue with the rear of my bike. It’s far too bouncy. It doesn’t absorb bumps, it bounces off of them. I’ve tried everything with the clickers. Nothing seems to help it. I can’t accelerate in a straight line without the rear dancing on me. It has new linkage bearings and all that good stuff. So it’s not a mechanical issue. It’s a suspension issue. I’m going to throw a super soft spring on it, see if that helps it track the ground better.
lol it’s all getting a bit OTT!!!! The average rider just likes to ride on any Sunday 😂
Good thing the factory bikes aren’t meant for average riders
Merry Christmas
Will Redd of the island boys switch to KTM and win the up coming supercross season
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@recbros7586 enough dude.
Wow. Frame too stiff. I guess all those buyers will be buying again
Are you going to review the 2024 FC 350?
As long as it's been since I rode......the heart monitor would call 911 on me once a lap.lol
Change a frame after a year ..smh..I love my 2022🎉
Two years. 2023-2024
@@ShiftGearsMoto 1.5 😂
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I've herd the pro's use valve cones in there suspension How about putting these in from the factory . I'm sure if there mass produce they cost 20 cents . There not made of gold . So what is stock valveing .
What does it say about Suzuki that they cant spend money to update their MX bikes while Triumph and Ducati are building brand new bikes?
Great Video best resource on youtube for dirtbikes, but..Subscription based services for your dirt bike... with the cost of the bikes, it should come with it IMO. 10-12K for 2024 bikes. Not posting for drama, but I hope everyone voices their opinion on this type of stuff, it's happening everywhere, PC software, Iphone apps, toyota, ford trying to add fees to have remote start and to use their driver assist features like blue cruise, it's a LAME money grab from billionaires. .. But again, great video !
The issue is severs and that hardware being not as capable todo that stuff locally. I mean you can obviously not set anything..
And it’s not worth it to basically enable these things for 99% of the users and only 1% not wanting it.
So if you want that it’s a important thing to get people talk to KTM about it, will cost in some way though.
Have you ask to ride the Triumph?
Keep in mind the Engine stuff isn’t from LitPro.
Love the videos! Do you know if the new GPS unit will be compatible to add to 23 or 24 models?
I second this question. Will there be compatibility?
@derekanderson4412 @westmetal17 From what I understand you’ll be able to put the system on an older bike to use the LitPro lap time analytics. However, I don’t think you’d be able to access mapping/traction control/gear position/rpm and the other stuff. Good question though!
So MY23 will support RPM/Gear etc. but the ECU is here limiting so no as many settings.
Idk if you know but its the rider not the bike. Sure the bike has to be comfortable but you can put Jett, Eli or Chase on any bike and they're going to win
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This is mostly true but to say the bike makes no difference isn’t right. The average Joe might not be able to tell the difference between changes in frame stiffness but it does make a difference for pros who are chasing every millisecond they can during a race. Anything that makes the bike more predictable and comfortable is a big help. Just think about how much work goes into suspension setups for pros when most people just jump on and ride. The little changes add up
All bikes are extremely close to the same nowadays except for Suzuki pick colour and ride
Pre mix ,noise ,smoke,wild bumble bees. The good old days.
They keep adding tech and dirtbikes are going to be 20k out the door
Totally agree. They should keep a "base" sort of model with just good core suspension but no gadgets and cheap so more people can afford them.
Looking forward to the new Maico 450s to come out.
Sounds pretty cool until one electrical component breaks and your bike doesn’t work.
Gotta justify raising the price
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Anybody ever wonder like supposedly KTM had bomb flex characteristics on their older models and maybe it was too flexy not sure but then they just change change change until they ruin it. Like would people really not buy a bike if it's not completely different every few years? Yamaha still has essentially 06 forks and almost 20 years later they're still the best. Thankfully they haven't done anything drastic in that department or their sales would totally tank I bet. What are your guys thoughts?
I thought we all knew that a few different manufacturers do the two steps forwards one step back approach every 2-3 years.
Honda and KTM are super guilty of this. Updates all the time to fix what they messed up.
I can’t remember who they are but there’s quite a few pros out there that said the 06-09 Crf450 had the best motor and frame combo and would take that bike over a modern one. Had more power back then too.
ya it was 06-08 i was actually thinking about that. I have a 09 crf250 and I just sold my 07 450. I would take my 09 and FI that bad boy over a newer model I think I could say that with confidence. Except the kayaba forks on the 10+ models worked much better IMO. That was a great way to put it and you're totally right. Don't fix what isn't broken!@@microsoft790
Just came to see all these comments from all these experts
Stark varg is much faster. Why bother with gas anymore?
still dont get why brands do this whole leaking bikes 1.5-2 years ahead of time. just call it the year it was produced lol
I am wondering if these new models with the new frames are still snap in half or not??? Every year they fix them and every year I see ktms frames snap all in the same place near the triple clamps,.. not for me please, I am not a rich guy to buy new chassis after some abuse. sorry ktm
This is all really sad. Back in the 70s and 80s-balls, technique and talent won races. I remember watching John Britten tune his race bike at Daytona in 1992 and knew it was just a matter of time before all motorcycle racing became a matter of cubic dollars, even on an amateur level. While the new technology is certainly impressive from a development standpoint; it's really just depressing overall.
KTM/GG/Husky are all good bikes with a huge BUT. They are the most expensive and until this year you needed to get the suspension rebuild BIG time. To pay €12500ish and after that add another €2500 is nothing more than a fraud against the users. For me its still a big ”HOW ON EARTH CAN THEY STILL SELL DIRTBIKES”? I really hope the 2024 models have taken more than one step on the ladder.
on top of what... they're always broken down
KTM....it was a mistake. Now pull the 5 lbs back off the bike, or MORE!
I'd rather they get the weight more down than add hi tech gadgets.
I'm on board for now models. Not owned by KTM.
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I would have to disagree that "everyone is tired of seeing snippets of new bikes" Couldn't be further from the truth, bring on all the new dirt bikes 🙌
He's referring to the drip, drip of details.
But they basically always show most of the stuff in italy or spain or austria.
You can have all the data you want , will make shit if the bikes not there
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Wow MXA, Total clickbait. A new bolt, slightly softer frame? How is that a game changer for KTM? I’m surprised/ disappointed in Josh.
Well its that ktm headquarters going to india
Which HQ? The software isn’t from India if you ask for that. Some bikes will be produced there but these are Street.
Nice
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@@recbros7586 Amen
Oh boy more new bikes that no one can afford..... me anyway
Yeah a bit sad 😔 But there will be something for your old one too.
Ktm
If i wanted an italian dirt bike i would get a TM
Italian?
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Its a shame Joeys sav its able to race out west
Back on top?Put Jett on it
back on top? when did they lose it?
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Sounded really cool until the subscription. 100% not doing that
Welcome to $15k bikes and pay to play subscription services.. bc the sport isn't already expensive enough..
Back on top when was KTM ever on top?
Their bikes are the best but they don’t win the most because of riders. More power, better stock, good brakes, light weight ect.
... Since 2015. Hell if Cooper was able to just make it around the track, he would have won the title last year. Quit talking out of your you know what.
Rich kids sport
Ktm dropped the ball on development to put money in moto gp , sexton is done before he starts
Each division at KTM is self-financed, there's no cross feeding.
….long story short…..tried and true 😂
F that shit- a Ktm will
Cost 16k
And it’s still made with parts from China and India lol😆.
Just what we need more electronic Crap on a bike.. why not put the kitchen sink and washing machine too..🤣🤣🤣
I guess you also said this when yamaha added there adjustments?
Would you be in it if there is only one ECU? Not that there where not already many more.
@@platin2148 when your out in the bush you need less electronic gismos to go wrong so ye don't have a 50 mile walk home.. been there and not a fan of walking home bike gets rather heavy to push after a few miles.. sand and hills would make it impossible..😂😂
@@platin2148 i get that track queens need all the help thay can get to make up for their lack of skill and natural talent .. and the simple things can end a good ride but being towed home or walking due to no phone service and remote areas sucks.. granted tech is getting better but some like a simple bike for that reason less things to go wrong..
@@rebekahfrench5747 There is no intention to require online anything. There is a lot more planned to get stuff offline as we do test it ourselves and i hate that myself if i need cell service for a feature. To be fully honest it’s probably more management that makes such decisions..
Sold my KTM last week. Not going to own a brand that is turning to Chinese production. Not going to support intellectual property thiefs. KTM will lean their lesson within 10 years.
Pretty soon there will no need for riders, just send the bike out to the track by itself. This is the same as MotoGp, they need to go back to total rider and get rid of this electronic BS.
I stopped watching MotoGP, they need to put rider against rider and drop the tech.
Another brought to you ktm sales advert , how about get the bike right before app options . Ahha you have to pay for the lap times , Two models a year across 3 fake brands and still cant get it right at a factory level. Are they new manufacturers you say , or are they made in China India and Turkey like Ktm parts are. New big marketing budgets for MXA the shills of moto media .
I dunno in which world you are but Off-road is built in MH in Austria..
if you need to know what gear by looking at it on a dirt bike you shouldnt be riding one ever in your life nor your kids or your kids kids
Blah blah blah KTM, but when will they match the Japanese in terms of reliability and maintenance costs?
Adding subscription fees to a motorcycle is a scumbag move. You paid for the hardware when you purchased the motorcycle.
No thank you. Not going to pay any additional $ for app. You paying so much for the bike and they want you to pay more. What an Europeans attitude.
Ktm... sold out to Chinese manufacturers 😢
Street 100% i guess. Off-road i didn‘t hear about anything moving.. ?
KTM is crap on wheels
Ktm a bunch of cheaters factory edition supposed to be what the factory team races not a toady different frame
It has nothing to do with the bike. It's the person that is riding it.
I was interested in Triumph until I saw how long the roll out took and how shitty of a job they did on roll out. Now I’ll NEVER buy Triumph