TECHNO-MOTHERHOOD | with Simone Collins
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Simone Collins (@SimoneandMalcolm) joins the chat with insights into entrepreneurialism, natalism, autism, and modern baby making! Find her work below:
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Great example of a 'smart person' totally missing the forest from the trees
Don’t get me wrong. The Collins are incredibly based and have some great talking points. But they are absolute freaks in the worst way, and they have the most terrifyingly cringe aesthetics. May the Lord have mercy on their souls.
And by based I do not mean I agree with them. Based in the original sense. I find their beliefs cruel and unusual, and delusional as well.
I believe most people's belief systems are cruel unusual. Long form content in order to talk about your own internal belief system it's really hard to just only judge others and then have absolutely no material about yours@@2ceBorn
@@2ceBornlike for instance would you mind if I interviewed you for about 45 minutes talking about your belief system.
I don't know, they call themselves based, but are they really? I've watched a few videos, but quickly noticed they sometimes have either some strange views, or start talking about things they know little about just for the sake of talking and producing content. There are _some_ things they are competent about, and perhaps would be better if stick to that, and not claiming to talk about everything and nothing. As for the strange views, what absolutely was a red flag for me, was the views on corporal punishment. Just, no. Maybe they'd be other strange things, but I don't follow that much.
@@joane24By based, I only mean that they have opinions that they have arrived at on their own, authentically, and they don't care what people think about their views. They are bold. Regarding corporal punishment, I have no issue with their views there. Mostly, I don't like how soullessly autistic their worldview is, and they give me transhumanist vibes.
"Not many civilisations have come from hot places..."
Roman, Greek, Byzantine, Spanish
Egyptian too, and was first.
Those are temperate, not hot.
Egypt is hot tho.
Ew! Artificial wombs are a ridiculous awful idea. Scary to think people actually think this should be pursued!!! Horrifying
while I agree, they're Atheistic ProNatalists....take the idea to the extreme you get this.
Why?
“We’re not conscious.” What does the word conscious mean to her if humans aren’t conscious? What entities would consciousness apply to?
We’re _mostly_ not conscious - most of our activity is unconscious, automatic, habitual behavior; consciousness is an exceptional state invoked to deal with unexpected situations, and we are only aware of being conscious because that’s when new memories are formed to record our response to an unexpected event.
'Consciousness is a controlled hallucination' ~Anil Seth
'Consciousness is real as an illusion, in the sense that ppl rly do have illusions' ~Dan Dennett
'Consciousness is trippy af bruh' ~Phat Buddha
Speaking to the Biological Primary Roles (the roles determined by biology, not society), a Man's primary legacy is what sort of world is he leaving behind for his children. And a Woman's primary legacy is what sort of children is she leaving behind for the world, and that arguably, is even more important.
Interesting calmvo but I come away sad for them
Wonderful people. Thank you for hosting her, Benjamin!
I’ve developed a technique that drastically increases IQ. Mine is 130 and I did that with an animal trough and 5 feet of vinyl tubing. Anyone can do it.
Shut up and take my money!
@@nickbarber2080 I’ll work with you if you want. I’m being funny but it’s true. Very easy to amplify focus and IQ with water.
Goodness, this is horrifying. I'm terrified for that poor baby being raised by people with such demonic beliefs as humans don't have souls. Lord have mercy.
Those glasses tho. I need to adjust my Apple monocle 🧐
Of course she is completely bonkers,but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Cringe takes all around, but a fun guest.
Halfway through Surface Detail just now
When Benjamin says "mechanistic," I think I'm pretty much starting to be able to fill in the denotation of "deterministic". And, if anyone can give me a convincing definition of "agentic" that doesn't match the control systems engineering definition, I'll stop being a physical determinist.
(Tbh, if the concern is basically just to preserve good feelz, imo we can still have good feelz).
Justice for the Tavistock 16
Finally, a person who has reverse SAD like me. I dread these Texas summers and go into air-conditioned hibernation until October.
[I sometimes repost my essay-comments from Stephen Hicks's channel on my other fav channels, especially Sam's in this case, as per the subject of his latest vid.]
Although modern scientists often tend to adapt parts of Nietzsche and Heidegger in their work, it seems to me that ultimately, there is no contemporary substitute for scientific empiricism via the hard sciences, specifically amounting to the most complete and defensible account of epistemological knowledge, either now or in the foreseeable future.
However (returning to philosophy) it is my contention that regarding both a broad ontological framework, and the subfield of political philosophy in particular, the relevant features of Enlightenment Liberal philosophy, and essentially its heuristic application, have been as reliably vindicated in practice, as per any series of replication studies.
My own conception of morality, is that it exists between the (above mentioned) defining political philosophy of liberal society, and the modern scientific empirical prospectus.
That is to say: is there a kind of Millian moral utility, that translates from the laws and explicit standards of a functional society, into the more 'informal' implicit guiding principals, of ostensible "moral agents?"
While it seems to me that, up to a point the answer is yes, beyond that point I perceive the application of sheer utilitarianism to entail a kind of autism, just as I perceive deontology to generally involve a kind of psychosis, and I think that every sane person ultimately tends to balance virtue ethics and consequentialism, with the latter informing most of our broader policymaking, and the former governing most of our daily interactions.
I have just been listening to Nathan Cofnas's channel, and one of his discussed examples seems apropos, to illustrate where the rubber meets the road on personal moral issues in relation to societal concerns.
I believe the question posed was: if a high IQ genius with an 'optimal' trait profile (who could be very useful to society) were drowning, and your child were drowning, which would you save if forced to choose?
(A typical philosophical framing, although one which seems especially relevant because of updated psychometrics' bearing on issues of social utility).
The answer seems fairly obvious for every non-psychopath, but why is it obvious?
A fairly conclusive and defensible answer is probably available in our current epoch from scientists, involving variables such as genetic relatedness.
However, without departing from philosophy, it is for reasons like this that I increasingly consider myself a Humean.
Does it make sense to consider morality, in the context of anything other than what might be characterized as "sentiments and impulses?"
I don't think it does. Nevertheless, I think that when organizing social systems, physiological metrics in the most robust possible sense, provide us with the inescapable arbiter for the optimal health parameters of the human organism in a particular ecosystem. On a related note, on Sam Harris's moral landscape, I would argue that prioritization of the highest peak is almost always possible, and almost always denotes relatively similar, general societal features.
But, does such parameterization of an overarching societal apparatus, sufficiently track with the so-named 'morality' that most ppl engage in their daily lives? No, and it might be said that the rules of the game, don't dictate the specifics of how every match is played.
I understand virtue ethics to entail a kind of downstream descriptive model, of the competing attitudes and impulses that more immediately drive what could be termed "human moral decision-making".
(Perhaps virtue ethics necessarily entails greater moment-to-moment self-reflection and analysis than I've represented, but if those capacities were especially manifest at any given moment, then I imagine that the resultant, multivariate longview vantage point, would essentially begin to shade into the 'modality' of consequentialism).
I’ve seen them a few times, on Paul Vanderklay’s channel, among others. Very strange people. They almost seem like actors, playing a character. Can’t quite put my finger on it, probably because I haven’t watched them enough. But odd, to say the least. It’s like they inhabit a fictional world of their own creation. I have never met anyone like them in real life. Maybe it’s their bit for CZcams. But it seems like they’re serious.
Well spotted. They're LARPING an early adoption take on the fertility crisis
Did she eat the placentæ?
I think she smoked it
Oooh! Iain Banks! One of my favorite SciFi authors - I read his books 30 years ago, when our computer technology was fairly basic. So his stories were really cool and left an impression.
The Player of Games
Use of Weapons
Consider Phlebas
...I loved them all.
If you like the idea of intelligent, conscious space ships, you might also like "Ancillary Justice" by Ann Leckie.
The Collins's are trying to mutate into cold climate Asians.
Hot countries haven't contributed a tonne to science and tech and didn't build many great things? Come on lady. Mesopotamian civilisations gave us written language and advanced mathematics, the Indian subcontinent gave us the numbering system we still use, Egypt's monuments still inspire and perplex us to this day, Greece and Rome's contribution is self evident, Mayan and Aztec civilisations built amazing structures, the Khmer built Angkor Watt ... the list goes on. The technological edge that cooler countries have enjoyed for the past 500 or so years is fairly recent. What about countries that get very hot and very cold like China, Japan, or even modern USA? Are they half as inventive as countries with more temperate climates like Norway or Denmark? I think she's just repeating some half remembered factoid she saw once in a pop economics book and is confident enough to regurgitate it as knowledge. This woman seems like someone who would be fun to talk to at a pub for an evening but not someone who I'd take seriously beyond that.
If we are not conscious, we cant have freewill
Defining an agent as a goal-directed entity (Theseus's ship is especially defined by where it's going) is essentially also what the leading biophysicists now think.
Californian Xlennials are programmed to be able to predict the future.
Sounds exciting.
I like Simone. She is on the "bit different side", but we need more of those in the world who are, but refuse to be held back by it
36:36 Huh, I've started trying to convince the internet recently, that religion is reducible to social phenotype, and Dawkins argued that's (at least partly) an extension of genotype.
Does my Northwestern Italian 1/4 (via Waldensians, I read) plus Swiss German 1/8, basically make me like 40% Calvinist, vs. 50% (Southern Italian) Catholic?
And because the former's a significant percentage, plus because our American phenotype arguably is broadly Protestant, does this make my social phenotype Calvinism? (And explain why many of my ideas and idiosyncrasies overlap with those of the Collins's, and with others in this space?)
Also yes, I was recently reminded of some basic America facts from grade school: Puritans were Calvinists.
Yayyyy A+++ the pair of you
Bugwoman
HAH my birthday is the most oppressive day of the year.
No thanks, she's fundamentally wrong on soul and consciousness.
43:05 Isn't that why the three names became a thing? I dunno, seems reasonable to me. (Lol, I imagine if I were a female human, I'd be used to my original name, plus willing to add a new one because of tradition).
I always wonder what happens with children’s names once two people with already double barrelled surnames get together. It would get out of hand within a couple of generations. I also wonder if this led to the trend of many ( especially male) children’s first names being traditional surnames as people look for stability. E.g. Carson, Mason, Jackson etc . Just musing on a Sunday morning…
@@virginiacharlotte7007 Aw yeah, I guess kids would practically have to go with father's name.
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy I personally never had an issue with changing my surname to my husband’s when I married. His was a much simpler one than my maiden name and it does not require me to incessantly spell it out when on the phone to banks and the like 😛. On a more serious note, it is a sign to the world of your union and a shifting away from my family of origin and my father’s name to my own family. There is a reason men still walk their daughters down the aisle at weddings- another symbol/sign to the world that something new is happening- that my father helped build a foundation for the life I will go on to lead. These traditions ground us and one day I hope my husband will be able to do the same for our daughter. Kind of beautiful in its continuity in my eyes.
Then again, I am one of those odd ball 90% or so of women who have never been swayed by the ‘patriarchal oppression!!!’ narratives of feminists.
Because a full _flourishment_ of a human person is achieved through _maturity,_ not staying a prepubescent child forever. Physical, emotional, and also sexual maturity is about integration of the self as an adult (however, the sexuality can also be sublimed in case of lifelong celibacy, which also requires a maturity), and end of a human maturity is being a mother or a father figure. Doesn't have to always be biological, but can also be emotional and spiritual. Maturity is also owning what you are, because only then you can yourself become a gift to others - to contribute yourself to the world. So no, saying a child's intellect is 'unstained' only before puberty, it's not correct view of the human nature.
How is a big fan of Malcolm and Simone no matter all the hate they get.
Who is How?
@@BenjaminABoyce I'm ....Auto type got me. Your show is great Benjamin 😀 big fan too. Articulable dialect others can follow. M&S get more hatred then they deserve but that's the internet for you 😜
@recongraves thanks for tuning in!
@@BenjaminABoyce no thank you for consistently posting and bringing content that is better than the television we grew up with. I hope you find tremendous success in all your endeavors.
That's also Dennett's concept of free will, and um, that's the part that lacks logical consistency, lol.
Why was Malcolm not open to taking her last name?
The idea that the couple should take the last name of the man is also a learned thing. Not that I have anything against anyone taking the other's name and I personally love My parents taking the maiden name of my father's mother as it is by far the best of those 3 choices.
Southern Indians have a high average IQ (North lower) and US Indian immigrants so far have been from Southern India, so we have the (basically correct in this population) stereotype of smart Indian Americans, doctors etc.
You, I, and the ghost of Daniel Dennett, all have similar formulations of consciousness.
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