The Dickson Experimental Sound Film
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- čas přidán 11. 02. 2008
- This short film was a test for Edison's "Kinetophone" project, the first attempt in history to record sound and moving image in synchronization. This was an experiment by William Dickson to put sound and film together either in 1894 or 1895. Unfortunately, this experiment failed because they didn't understand synchronization of sound and film. The large cone on the left hand side of the frame is the "microphone" for the wax cylinder recorder (off-camera). The Library of Congress had the film. The wax cylinder soundtrack, however, was believed lost for many years. Tantalizingly, a broken cylinder labeled "Violin by WKL Dickson with Kineto" was catalogued in the 1964 inventory at the Edison National Historic Site. In 1998, Patrick Loughney, curator of Film and Television at the Library of Congress, retrieved the cylinder and had it repaired and re-recorded at the Rodgers and Hammerstein Archive of Recorded Sound, Lincoln Center, New York. Since the Library did not possess the necessary synchronizing technology, Loughney - at the suggestion of producer Rick Schmidlin - sent multi-Oscar winner Walter Murch a videotape of the 17 seconds of film and an audiocassette of 3 minutes and 20 seconds of sound with a request to marry the two. By digitizing the media and using digital editing software, Murch was able to synchronize them and complete the failed experiment 105 years later. This 35mm film was generously made available to the Internet Archive by Walter Murch and Sean Cullen.
- Krátké a kreslené filmy
Joking aside, this also is perhaps the first motion picture of two men dancing.
haha
At the time it was common for men to dance and it didn't mean they were gay
Henry Herreman just shows how far toxic masculinity has grown since then :3
@@jyetherington9438 if saw your pussyboy face i wouldn't care about the two years in the mental hospital and i wouldn't be crying about it in a bathroom like a bitch either libtard
@@efenty6235 your proving his point
Man, I miss the days when MTV only played music.
+Fox Fine Those were glorious days that have been long forgotten.
Epic days, indeed
Have you been alive during these times?
Same
I don’t know why it’s still called mtv cause it’s called music television but it’s not even music anymore in that channel
i am watching a 124 years old Video on a 4K TV
Even their grandchildren are dead by now.
@@ricarleite Could be... if they had
And if they had Could be alive on this day
Makes you feel kind of like an alien, no?😁😁👽👽
The plot: Man plays Violin
The Subplot: The secret sexual tension between two heterosexual males.
this just made my whole night lols
@@rickuache9682 I am the Night.
In the early 20ties of XXth century, it was often dancing in same-sex couples. Yes, I agree with you: the plot is the violin playing, subplot is a dance with two-men couple. This is not gay couple at all.
@@PrDrAbbud Look buddy it was a joke I made seven years ago. It just flew right over your head.
It’s not sexuality it’s love and all the hotter for it-look how they are thigh to thigh. Studies of young adults show most dudes are bi. I’m working on the first man to man loving action film and the dudes will dance like these guys in honor of this. Can tell you the title after I register it with the Library of Congress which funnily enough is mentioned here
All early films are beautiful and mysterious and creepy to me. I get chills, sometimes tears in my eyes, I don’t know why
This scares me a lot and I don't know why, but it really does
Well, the WeeWaa13, the people in the movie are in graves now, so yes, it's sad and humbling. Life is fleeting.
If you get creeped out by stuff like this you should watch little Judy Garland’s first performance in the Big Revue. Look up “Gumm sisters big revue” and it’ll show up
Yo same
In case you people didnt know, male on male dancing was common at the time, amd no one saw anything strange in it
bob shitburger oh how far society has grown with toxic masculinity and all :3
@@jyetherington9438 what ?
@BladeCast i did educate myself blade...
@@jyetherington9438 can you like go over to the trans/gay meme videos and leave alone here, to just enjoy an old video? christ.
@@manchiststechnicolourarchi5606 no :)
You can't say "this experiment failed because they didn't understand synchronization of sound and film." They certainly understood it, and the experiment didn't "fail" as it proved the concept of sound pictures. But there was no way to do anything with it at the time. Duplicate movie prints could be easily made at the time, but wax cylinder recordings had to be made one at a time. To make a film with the image and sound recorded at the same time, a new movie would have to filmed with each wax cylinder -- which would wear out after about 12 playings. And the sound from a cylinder phonograph could be heard by a few people in a room at home, not in a theater.. It took some 30 years for the vacuum tube amplifier, microphone, loudspeaker, and photocell - where sound could be turned into light, making an optical soundtrack, which during projection the light is turned back into sound. Or the Vitaphone system by Warner Bros which used flat phonograph records which could be stamped out in duplicate, and the turntable and film projector linked to a single electric motor -- before sound films could be shown in a theatre.
Thanks...you answered my question that I asked why it took so long to perfect movies with sound or talkies.
Edison did revisit the Kinetophone project years later, around 1912: he used a softer, more sensitive wax blank, and a recording horn that was off camera. The cylinder recordings were then pressed in celluloid for durability; and a mechanical amplifying system devised by Daniel Higham was used for playback in theaters. A signaling system was set up between the projectionist and the phonograph operator, to ensure proper synchronization. Some of these films can be found here on YT:
czcams.com/video/rQEImz2P8Cg/video.html
Amazing how you can repair something that has been broken for over 100 years.
You still alive man
@baldmessi123 I'm curious too. Saw another comment that was 14 years old .
@@kencharles1136 And I’m barely watching this. I was watching Mexican films from the golden era and wondered how all this came about 🤔
Lyrics:
(Are the rest of you ready? Go ahead.)
**violin noises**
World's first music video? Awesome! 119 years ago. Just a drop in the bucket of time.
127 years ago
@@zachsingh1 128 years ago
129 years ago
I first heard this song in 1976 and they stuck in my mind, "Time keeps on ticking into the future", from 'Fly Like an Eagle' the Steve Miller Band. I can't believe its been 10 years since I made that comment.@@v5hr1ke
130 years ago
Can you believe it? We are watching some people who probably died at least 80 years ago.
And were probably born about 150 years ago.
@@davidschultz1562
And by that time, there could be probably people that were born in 1700
@@botmexicanpatriot In very late The 18th century
If they were 19 years old when this was recorded, and then lived to the 110s they would of died in the early 1980s, so at least died 30 years ago
@@nullname0 very bold estimate
Still sounds better than a kid's mic on Xbox live
The guy who sneaks on at the end didn't think anyone would see him, but 127 years later he's still being caught.
How primitive we were back then...
*Looking at comments.
And how primitive many of us still are.
We were so primitive back then we had 100 member philharmonic symphonies and empires that spanned the entire globe. Now we have Lil Pump and bomb thousands of innocents to get a tiny piece of land in the Middle East.
How primitive indeed.
@BladeCast what tech? some screens, that engulf entire peoples lives, cause huge mental health problems, suicide rates etc? the tech that powers the endless advancement of killing and war in the world? The tech that is making us focus on some distance desert planet instead of fixing our own? Grow up.
this aged perfectly
The male romance was way more edgy and daring than it was in Brokeback Mountain, simply given the period. The way that they dance, the expression in their faces, they know that their love was not meant to be.
Hahaha!
I am 13 years late to this comment, but here I go. You may be right, but it may also just be two straight guys. At the time, many people believed homosexuality wasn’t real, therefore men were not afraid of being perceived as homosexual. There are photographs of the time period of men sitting on other men’s laps, men hugging eachother from behind, etc.
@@1370802shame how men feel afraid to now
It was strictly a male world then where males dominated. Men formed male fraternities, smoked cigars together, bonded tightly together, had portraits made together.
They were not uptight about being perceived as gay as men today are.
Had there been a lady present the day they made this film she would have likely danced with a man. As it was there was not a woman present so two of Edison's assistants agreed to dance together to get the film made. It was just an 'experiment,' anyway, never intended for public release.
At 1:09 you can see one of the men laughing. It’s such a crazy thing to see, you almost never see that in such old footage.
Yes funny thing I was looking at that myself....... Hopefully they would be too old to take part in WW1
@@davids8449 they would have been, they look like they're in their 30s (although is hard to tell for sure), which means they would be in their 50s when wwi started, and the average life expectancy was about 50, and yes, I know it's skewed by infant mortality and extreme poverty, but even then, it was lower for everyone due to lack of modern medicine, so they probably would have been too old.
A cinema landmark! The first instance of a sound film, showing the concept existed at its infancy. The idea even predated Edison - he got it from Muybridge in 1888. Thank you!
127 years ago somebody's voice was caught asking if everybody was ready.
a shame the technology didnt catch on at the time. We could of had recorded sound video of historical events/famous figures from the 1890s-early 1900s
Imagine video footage from the medieval era... It would've been awesome to see.
Aw crap, we got the wax cylinder in the shot again!
The clip ended before Dick Clark asked the two dancers how they rated the song. They allegedly remarked, "It had a good beat and was easy to dance to".
Remarkable! What a lot of work went into this brief film!
And history changed for ever
Even this youtube video is very old.
A 10 year old upload is "very old"? Lol, the original video is 120+ years old, which is more than double the CZcams upload.
I didn't expect to hear "Les cloches de Corneville" by Planquette in such an old recording! Very interesting! Thank you!
The song played by the violinist is from an operetta by Robert planquette.
The first version of Brokeback Mountains !! for sure 😉
But about the competences of violonist (Mister Dickson)....🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely stunning! For being the first try I cannot believe the quality of the video or sound.
The cylinder sounds remarkably good for 1895, probably cause it wasn't played more than a few times back then, and when it was restored, it was probably played on a lighter weight electrical, or maybe even laser pickup. I like how they had the recording horn and violinist in shot, probably so they could better sychronize the start of the sound with the start of the film.
so so great! what a treasure - thanks for posting!
In my history class, this video became known as "Two Dudes, One Violin"
BRUH
Lmao
Found out about this in a game called "West of Loathing" where a guy mentions "Woah you haven't seen the new Dickson's experimental sound film yet? its amazing!"
>"Whats it about?"
"Well there's two guys dancing and a third guy plays violin into this HUGE cone.. and you can actually HEAR the violin! its great! and then eventually a fourth guy walks in."
>"And what does he do?"
"Nothing, thats where it ends"
>"Sounds pretty avant-garde"
This is Disney's idea of gay representation.
Thanks you Mister Dickson and Mister Edison for this sharing !!!
This little film demonstrates we was not so differents between our great great parents with us !!!
Do you know this first sounded film (1894) is contemporary of the debuts of Charles Chaplin, in a London music hall ??
At 5 years !!! 😉
I love the fact that it's a "sound film" yet Edison was like: Nah that's not enough. Put two dudes dancing together, holding each other tightly.
Thank you for sharing this.
beautiful
Wow! that's pretty clear for such an old film!
Gotta say, pretty impressive FPS for being so old
Same FPS as we use today, although soon after this was filmed Edison and Dickson reverted back to less FPS as they were much cheaper to produce.
@@triple7marc I thought it was that we switched cameras. This and other Edison experiments were shot with an electric powered camera in his studio dubbed "the black mariah" while Lumiere and others used more mobile, but slower, hand cranked caneras.
Thank you for sharing this.
This is ace :) Very interesting.
Grabación de audio realizada en "Fritangas Records" ("Deep Fry Records").
¡Maravilloso!
👍👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🌷🌷🌷🌻🌻🌻🌹🌹🌹💐💐💐
Love this. Cheers, belowline.
Pretty amazing stuff.
Thanks for the up, belowline.
The perfect Mtv music video
The greatest love story ever recorded.
At the time men dancing together were common and it didn't mean they were like mods
Pure cinema. No bs.
I love this stuff.
Very nice!
They must've been so happy when it worked
I love the dancing !
Art in motion.
wow amazing!
Всё они прекрасно понимали в синхронизации. Они смотрели наперёд - главное записать, а синхронизировать можно и потом.
This deserves a remix!
Thanks !!
It is ... it is ... the movie, "Ye Olde Brokebacke Mountaine"!
Men dancing were not uncommon then. But gosh, they really are bad at it.
I saw on a documentary that this was supposed to be two men dancing in a documentary that was intentionally supposed to be about homosexuality.
+dalekman tardis ??? Looks pretty good to me, given the music has a standing start and no beat - the fiddler isn't great at rhythm and the camera is hand-cranked.
Since you are an expert, can you name the dance - seems to be a 1-2-3-tap, but it's not bachata !
Symmetrical embrace might imply it's not a lead-and-follow dance ?
I'm not saying I'm an expert, it just looks like they would fall over any moment.
You idiots, it's so blatantly obvious that they are on a really small stage (probably made for the camera shot) and they're trying not to fall off it. This was an experimental film so they didn't take it as seriously. At least that's my theory on it.
@@ericd7709 This dance is a waltz, of course.
world's first GIF with sound - better quality than most I've seen lately
Love it
OH MY! READY FOR MTV!
dudes rock
Mans been playing 40 hrs everyday
that beat is kinda lit doe
vevo's first video
@fatcatbeauty You're absolutely correct; we can all handily see how it is rotating, getting all the sound down!
muito bom, histórico... mesmo aí coube uma boa ideia...
Yes, it was providential that the broken cylinder was preserved. Both motion pictures AND phonographs were in their infancy. Trying to synchronize sound & picture was a trrying process. Watch "Singing in the Rain" for a hilarious story of the business, the part on trying to film "Dueling Cavaliers"
Whoa, this comment is 12 years old 😳
actually, it would have been a variable frame rate, as cameras at the time were generally hand cranked. thereby, the speed of the operator's cranking would dictate the frame rate, slowing and speeding up.
according to wikipedia, walter murch calculated the average frame rate to be about 40 fps, yet at a running time of 17 seconds it seems to be closer to an average of 37.5 fps.
Dang it has been 130 years.
Brilliant work,especially getting rid of the clicks.
The music is "from the light opera The Chimes of Normandy by Jean Robert Planquette" apparently.
Could hear all the words, right from "What happened to......"
I wonder how they decided on what to record, both senses?
The words are legible but they didn't exactly make it easy.
I wanna see it on MTV, now XD !
Super
Woo! At least it as the recording so I can hear it.
0:58 guy says "More time"
1:02 guy says "What are you lookin for"
Would have been cool if he had recorded but just stayed quiet. He might have been able to hear the voices that always and can only come through on audio from one of the other realms..
only 10.000 views for something so insightfull. It's a shame not manny people realize how amazing film and sound are, and how far we are now.
It's at quarter of a million views now.
That violin playing sounds like the windmill from once upon a time in the west
I am extremely late, but the clicking sound was due to the cylinder (basically the microphone) being broken. You can see so in a slide midway through the video that says this.
It was fixed at 1:46 (or it at least sounds much better).
Not really that late. Your comment is 6 years old
@najl33zz421 i agree that the first sentence must be "what happened to bessie?" although the 'b' sounds distorted and therefore one can make up 'w' out of it.
but the next sentence sounds more like:
"is the rest of you IN HERE" or "is the rest of you in IT"
This is where I fish for upvotes by posting "Still a better love story than Twilight."
Male dancers were common back then and it didn't guarantee they were mods
good show
really good show
edison was s o brainy thanks to that present to him that animation toy. then eh bore the idea of recording motion.
perfect simply wondeful.
Two thumbs from me, definately better than any of the garbage Ang Lee has made.
ITS SO CREEPY SIR
. . . .😢
Who remembers this?
I agree at 100%
0:58 for the speech
...why am I reminded of "The Ring"? Do I have 7 days!?
When i showed my mom this she said why are there two men dancing together
Did these subjects have any idea that they were making profound history and that it would still be seen in the year 2018...?
Why don't you ask them?
Now its 2024
I Have Nightmares With This Song, :(
Excuse Me, My English Is Not Good, But i Speak Spañish (Im Venezuelan xD)
Thanks Of Lot For This Video, Is A Diamond Of The History
Edison tried to do "sound on set" which, with a wax cylinder would have been virtually impossible; it didn't occur to him or Dickson to just film the scene and then created the sound to the photographed picture as was done HERE in about 1914:
watch?v=a7cF0nw5S-g
Easily amplified with the Victor Auxetophone (no electronics involved) this could have been a real reality.
I believe the clicking was from the shoes
I like the format that you used for this presentation very much!. Isn't it amazing that sound motion pictures were not developed,or wanted by the public, until 40 years later? I don't believe this is a "gay movie". Straight men and women used to touch people of the same sex and that included dancing with the same sex when there wasn't anyone else of the opposite sex to dance with. People didn't have TV or internet to entertain them and singing and dancing were a common past time.
_Top Ten K-pop Dancers_
Much better then today's pop so called music
Unironically true
are they... you know??
Most certainly, Spock. You know it dudeman!
Where can one hear the full three-minute audio recording?
It is the movie, "Ye Olde Brokebacke Mountaine"!
I’m making a dude to dude Lovin action movie, they’ll do something like this as a salute to these pioneers
That's what she said :o
"Dickson"
Yes