Should Christians Support Israel?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Much of American Evangelicalism is based on shilling for Zionism and treating Jewish people like they are demigods, but how true is this of Christianity proper? In this video I explain why Christians should not support the so-called Zionist state of "Israel".
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No.
Every time I hear the word "Holocaust" I always ask "which one?" Orthodox Christians have been through several. Pontus, Armenia, Asia Minor to name a few. We have been persecuted for 2000 years, and we are still being persecuted all over the world. What makes our case different is that no one cares about persecuted Christdendom - we have no fancy terms to describe our persecution, oppression and sorrow. There are no "phobia" or "anti" suffixes or preffixes to describe those who seek to wipe us out. We suffer and endure in silence wherever we are - Asia, Africa, Europe, America.
May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and our most Glorious Lady the Theotokos bless our Orthodox sisters and brothers everywhere. Amen.
I couldnt of said it better myself. Us Orthodox Christians are persecuted the most and have been for millennia.
i agree with this.... but what is the No" to.? the title.? orrr? sorry..
@@yourneighbour3309 Obviously to the title. modern israel is very anti-Christian, and very anti gentile in general.
According to an opinion piece in Ynet News (Israeli News site) by Author Sever Plocker, "Stalin's Jews" (Dec. 21, 2006). One of the greatest mass murderers of the 20th Century was a Jew named Genrkih Yagoda who Plocker credits with the deaths of at least 10 million people (Orthodox Christians? Holodomor?). Plocker states that not one Israeli High school graduate has ever heard of him.
I bring this up to show historically not only Jews were abused, but also some were major abusers as Plocker reveals in his article. Plocker believes his fellow Jews should own up to it.
based ✋🏻☦
Absolutely not, Israel state is artificially created and has nothing to do with theology.
Only American protestant believed that Israel is needed and Jews are still chosenite.
The errors of the Western Christians keep multiplying, consider the tragic state of the Roman sect. and the many denominations as they drift farther way from the stability of historic Christianity. We need to pray for them. At 65yrs of age God opened my eyes. All things are possible.
@@leoandolino4668 it is already corrupted to the core in the west, I was born as heretical Protestant. Where they taught you literal hellfire for unbeliever, the idea that Jews are chosenite and special people, the Armageddon in Jerusalem and the third temple. I've also been to Bethel and charismatic where they speak in tongue, which never made sense to me. My cousin is even a zion jew lover who wanted to convert to Judaism.
Open up Romans 11, in the very opening sentence Paul first states:
" I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. "
Right off the bat, we get.. who are the Israelites? Descendants of Abraham.. the blood line of Jacob/Israel, are the ethnic Jewish people that God still recognizes, let's start there.
Then Paul goes on to explain the "ingrafted branches".. because of the rebellion of the Israelites, his chosen lineage from the line of Abraham, salvation has now opened up and come to the gentiles.. the native Olive Tree branches can be broken off to graft in and make room for the gentiles, but notice they're allowed into the tree but not forgotten. And this is made perfectly clear in the next paragraph..
Paul says in 11:25-28
"25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved."
And
"28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."
From this passage Paul makes clear just like the Pharaoh he's allowed the ethnic "Israel" to harden their hearts till the gentile world can all have the opportunity to be grafted in.. God's not abandoning their existence and their promise to the land was not abandoned either, for example next I'll point out Ezekiel 37.
In Ezekiel 37 under the "dry bones prophecy", after 1948 WW2 the diaspora that had been abandoned for almost 1800 years was finally allowed to reunite fulfilling this prophecy that the lineage of Abraham was not completely abandoned:
"12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel."
We, the "gentile Christian world" are grafted in as part of the "body of Christ" like Paul says in Ephesians 2-4, but the lost sheep that are these "Ben Shapiro" practicing "Jews", many that are still part of the lineage of Abraham by blood, still play a part in God's eschatological play till the end times... look at Revelations 7 with the 144,000.. comign from the Tribes of "Israel", these are the tribulation saints that converted to Christ, the mass multitude after being all the followers of Christianity. So I think you guys are 100% wrong.
@@Jaryism 1 JOHN 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son.
Ben Shapiro is European like Netanyahu. The Palestinians are most likely the actual Jews.
Thank you for this. The dispensational unilateral argument for Israel is so pervasive- this is a breath of fresh air.
All because of Americans and their money
They(and the British prots) are a sea power and sea powers sacrifice babies for profit like their forefathers in Tyre and Phoenicia
Imagine getting your theology from business minded protestants and not monastics
Like St Rafael of Optima said, "those who are successful in this world have already been abandoned by God". We should NEVER listen to prots.
Many duped Christians have blood on their hands.
Im not pro Palestine or Pro Israel. Im pro Innocent, and Pro Christian.
exactly if ur not muslim or jewish there’s no point of picking a side
@nikosantikythera2422
No, one is pagan the other is a Begotten covenant.
@nikosantikythera2422no you dont. palestine is a hagarene nation.
@nikosantikythera2422 How? they’re literally moslooms. thats just a fact. how is that stupid?
@@unkown110 it’s not really a religious issue tho. “If you’re not Jewish or muslim no point picking a side”. I disagree and I’m pretty sure Palestinian Christians would too and also the Christians who are living in Nazareth would too. This is an issue of a dangerous ideology that is leading to the death of innocent people.
I'd argue that many Jewish people are not even of Israelite descent, or at least not entirely. Many are descended from Canaanites, Europeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and many others. An example being the Samaritans, both the ancient Samaritans and their modern descendants today.
Most of their leaders are from European decent.
There are Juice from India that look Indian, Iran that look Iranian, North Africa that look North African, Ethiopia that look Ethiopian. Because after 70 AD, the few surviving ones were scattered in all four corners of the globe. And so today the juice are quite mixed in terms of genetics and race.
Samaritan worship is remarkably similar to Orthodox worship, everyone stands or prostrate, acapella chanting (no musical instruments mostly) faces the same direction, etc.
@@gregcoogan8270the samaritan are genetically close to Palestinian not the juice
The tribal bloodlines are lost and cannot be traced, many of them are khazarians. Rabbinical Judaism is an antichrist cult with no connection to second temple worship
Judaism split off from Christianity, not the other way around, basically.
No prophet of God ever preached a religion called Christianity nor Judaism they all made up scam all prophets including Jesus peace be upon him preached Islam accept it or reject it you will find out the second you lay your grave 😉
I believe Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 have something to say about the modern state of Israel.
Rev. 17 & 18. Modern Jerusalem is the great harlot.
What few know is that modern Judaism was created by a man called Yohana Ben Zakkai in 90AD (and others).
Zakkai cherry picked Scripture to try to preserve Judaism after the temple was destroyed by God in 70AD using Rome as His hammer.
What was created was manmade and therefore blasphemous - not given by God. Yohanan on his death bed was terrified to meet his Maker because of this. BUT, St. Paul had no fear at all and had full confidence that he accomplished all that God assigned to him.
Zakkai died in terror in a bed surrounded by his disciples.
St. Paul died in peace... imprisoned and decapitated.
70 AD also happened for a reason, and that punishment from God was never lifted.
@@difficultjourney3216 I mean it was already destroyed in 70 AD.
@@collectiveconsciousness5314 Its strange that protestants are completely oblivious to that part of History. Many have called me an Anti s mite when I tell them about it.
I believe “self-proclaimed” is what they are.
The amount of “cool” christian channels that are promoting the idea that Christians shall support Israel is mind bugging
Evil propaganda
Love and support for Israel and the Jewish people ❤🇮🇱
No
The ➕️ thing I didn't know and its hilarious.
Truly shows the desperation of the ir atheist nation state mentality
Ortodox Christian here, and I find the question whether Christians should support Palestinians a blasphemy.
I understand a lot of people have been deceived and/or brainwashed BUT remaining silent when we are witnessing an ethnic cleansing , a bloody genocide and massacre of innocent babies and children in a real time is everything but Christian.
Jesus Christ taught that the two greatest commandments were to: “'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbour as yourself.” Love for all people was at the very centre of Jesus Christ's' message.
We were all given a free will - choose as you like but don't be surprised when you meet your maker ... Matthew 7:23
Whoever sees in his heart a trace of hatred towards any person for any mistake, is completely alien to the love of God. Because love for God does not tolerate hatred for man.
I support plight of Palestinian people to live free on their land, so their children can grow in peace - God willing 🙏🏻❤️☦️.
@nikosantikythera2422 Free Palestine 🙏🏻❤️☦️
From Indonesia Protestant non evangelist Zionist, my heart are so broken seeing our brother and sister in Christ suffer in Gaza and West Bank as well as any Palestinian, both Muslim and Jewish in Jerusalem. Free Palestine!
i still do not support palestine, same with israel. i want peace but that's only going to be achieved when both sides put their hatred aside cause newsflash the muslims view J's and christians as scum. read what theor holy texts say, it's the same with the talmud too btw. I weep for the kids and innocent lives being lost in palestine but hamas provoked this particular attack and that's on them. This is also a war and as much as we don't like it civilian casualties will always exist especially in such a dense populated area. So no there's no genocide or ethnic cleansing going on, that's another one of these buzz words all these palestine shills like to use.
@@ltmatthewakj2466 Wait what, "protestant non evangelist zionist". What does that even mean?
@@rollingknuckleball It mean I am still sane Christian. Please stop stereotypes us like the fanatics evangelical. I'm raised from traditional mainliner Protestan church (Lutheran Calvinist) which still not influenced by heretic Zionist teaching.
1:16 makes me feel physically ill
Thank you for this. ❤ My heart is breaking for all of the bloodshed, lack of compassion and mercy.
Many duped Christians are indirectly responsible for a lot of that bloodshed.
No. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 prophesies of modern Israels controllers and calls them the Synagogue of Satan.
I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not,but are a synagogue of Satan.
I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Love and support for Israel and the Jewish people ❤️🇮🇱
Modern day Judaism is what is referred to in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9
Also, Rev 17. Jerusalem is the great harlot.
no it isnt, please just read the context of the verses
@@awesomballedomite spotted
Love and support for Israel and the Jewish people ❤🇮🇱
Great video brother 💯.
Sam Shamoun had a class on this topic, that true Israel is the church, & all kinds of Evangelical Protestants were attacking him, it even got to the point where him and Christian Prince actually had to have a conversation over it. because Christian Prince doesn't understand that true Israel are the Christians.
that was a great 3 part series
@@benjaminbutler3487 yes it was, I still have to re-watch it to take my notes. Lord bless u 📿🌹🙏🏼
I drive truck long distances for work, I listened to it back to back it was so precise. God bless you too@@onlylove556
@@onlylove556 i would like a link to this video if you would be so kind brother.
I don't like Sam
He's a nestorian and friends with people like David Wood who appears to be a Zionist and he defended the Talmud
Not good company
Those who believe in, and struggle to follow Christ in His Holy Orthodox Christian Church-- We are Israel. Always have been.
Nonsense
yesense@@Sarah-bs4qt
Shame. You are not worthy of the name Christian and in the words of one and only Jesus Christ:Matthew 7:23 And then I will declare to them publicly, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME [you are banished from My presence], YOU WHO ACT WICKEDLY [disregarding My commands]. ' May Lord have mercy on you.
Isreal was the name of prophet Jacob and his 12 sons were called Banu Isreal the children of Isreal so don't be ignorant 🤦♀️
@@mimmy2209the irony is Jesus will tell the verse you quoted to everyone who worshipped him besides God almighty so you may as well hold your horses 🐎 😂
The Holy Sepulchre is the centre of the entire cosmos
"the synagogue of total coin.cidence"
How can one be God’s chosen and not have salvation because of their rejection of the Messiah?
God’s Chosen are those brought into the family of God through adoption in Jesus Christ by faith, not through bloodlines.
16 "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Luke 10:16
@@frekigeri4317oh ok this verse clearly states whoever rejects Jesus message is basically rejected God right??🤔 so why y'all Christians reject Jesus message??😒
@@Asiyah2000 I have a feeling you have no idea what you are talking about and are glossing over the fact 30,000 different sects call themselves Christians, all of which are wrong in some regards save one.
@frekigeri4317 they all wrong if they worship human being lol large number doesn't justified to be the correct ones
@@Asiyah2000 ya, because the devil is better at creating unity than God, lol, smh.
God creates unity, currently there’s 1.2 billion Catholics, that’s unity, not division, which is the devils trademark.
Along with false accusations, like the one you posted above about worshipping a human being.
Christian Zionism was one of the key factors in me looking into Orthodoxy. I was not getting many satisfying answers in the Protestant circles and online discussion. Not until I found Bible with Brother, which opened my Faith to so many more Orthodox beliefs. Appreciate your video, it was succinct and well done.
I cannot support Palestine though.
Just dont support both
I don't. " Sodom and Egypt " and Hamas are both trash.
You don't have to if you don't want to
And? He didn't say you should. The either or false dichotomy is low IQ.
@@mreajamorgana he's not a priest. I don't think he means not to pray for peace. But supporting them in all they do absolutely not.
I believe Our Lord loves the generations of His creation all the same. His love prevails there in the land of Israel and His spirit prevails in Israel. Even as the promise is new. These political matters are of the world. Not His spirit.
Something to consider very, very, very carefully.
God has generations???😒
No.
Thanks for this much needed video David. Christians who read John Chrysostom's homilies and Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho will not be spiritually deceived.
St. Paisios has said plenty about Zionism. There's no room for argument within the Orthodox Church. WITHIN THE ORTHODOX CHURCH. Others are welcome to their own opinions.
Yes, we support The Church
So Christians will rather listen obey what a creepy old man in the church says rather than Jesus wow😒
nope
Israelites are God's people conditionally as long as they submit to God which include Jesus who is God. When the Israelites practiced idolatry or tried to kill Moses they were not God's people. The law did not come just with an unconditional blessing but with a blessing and curse like the tree of good and evil.
Israel(the secular state without a Jewish temple) is also not the same as Israel(a theocracy with a Jewish temple). This is sn inportance nuance which Hasidic Jews understand.
I agree Israel has a right to exist or defend itself but not due to any special privileges or religious reasons. Israel is just another country and yes they need to treat Orthodox Christians better and yes they have an obligation to respect human rights like any other country.
Is your god only god of specific people?? I thought God is for all human beings but your god seems racist 😒
My answer is No!
Hamas doesn't use human shields, because Hamas is underground.
For me the question who should Christians support in the Israely - HAMAS war sounds like a question: who should Christians support in the war between the Communist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany? We shouldn't support any side, they both evil.
Why should we even think about supporting one side or the other?
Yes, jews in Israel treat christians like dirt, but muslims in Pakistan or Afghanistan treat Christians even worse. As for me, Islam is more dangerous than the Talmudic judaism, at least there's no sach doctrines like Jihad or Halifat in Judaism. Jews want that piece of land on the Middle East, Muslims want the whole World.
But think about this: two sides who hate Christianity are killing each other.
That is not true. Look up Herem. Jews believe in killing Christians because they see them as idol worshippers. You have to wake up. Islam is not more dangerous.
😂😂😂 oh wow you just didn't got that very low to compared innocent Muslims being slaughtered in the name of the Bible verses which contains genacide wow to atheist soviets 😂😂
you have to ask what you mean by "support."
Love and support for Israel and the Jewish people ❤️🇮🇱
Romans 9:6-8 says many of Abraham's descendants are NOT the children of God. Galatians 3:7 says only those who have faith in Jesus Christ ARE the children of God. Galatians 3:16 says JESUS is the seed of Abraham. Galatians 3:28-29 says the followers of Jesus Christ are Abraham's seed who receive the promises made to Abraham.
If Christians actually read the Bible, they would know that non-believing jews were cut OFF from Israel and won't be grafted in unless they do.
Also isn't the area that modern state of Israel on not even where the Biblical land of Israel was? Wasn't Israel NORTH of where modern Israel is? Isn't modern Israel actually Judea?
That was after the "Divided Kingdom".
Open up Romans 11, in the very opening sentence Paul first states:
" I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. "
Right off the bat, we get.. who are the Israelites? Descendants of Abraham.. the blood line of Jacob/Israel, are the ethnic Jewish people that God still recognizes, let's start there.
Then Paul goes on to explain the "ingrafted branches".. because of the rebellion of the Israelites, his chosen lineage from the line of Abraham, salvation has now opened up and come to the gentiles.. the native Olive Tree branches can be broken off to graft in and make room for the gentiles, but notice they're allowed into the tree but not forgotten. And this is made perfectly clear in the next paragraph..
Paul says in 11:25-28
"25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved."
And
"28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."
From this passage Paul makes clear just like the Pharaoh he's allowed the ethnic "Israel" to harden their hearts till the gentile world can all have the opportunity to be grafted in.. God's not abandoning their existence and their promise to the land was not abandoned either, for example next I'll point out Ezekiel 37.
In Ezekiel 37 under the "dry bones prophecy", after 1948 WW2 the diaspora that had been abandoned for almost 1800 years was finally allowed to reunite fulfilling this prophecy that the lineage of Abraham was not completely abandoned:
"12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel."
We, the "gentile Christian world" are grafted in as part of the "body of Christ" like Paul says in Ephesians 2-4, but the lost sheep that are these "Ben Shapiro" practicing "Jews", many that are still part of the lineage of Abraham by blood, still play a part in God's eschatological play till the end times... look at Revelations 7 with the 144,000.. comign from the Tribes of "Israel", these are the tribulation saints that converted to Christ, the mass multitude after being all the followers of Christianity.
I think this video was decent overall, but I don't believe it was completely satisfactory, only because you did not at all tackle Romans 11. Zionists like using Romans 11 as a huge part of their argument for why we should support the state of Israel so you not addressing that I feel like is making this video fall a bit short
Just a little critique. Thanks David
Doesn't St Paul talk about the full inclusion of the people? How can they be fully included if the don't believe in the the messiah or the holy trinity?
im striving to learn more about the truth of eastern orthodoxy. i may need to give this a second watch, im so damn confused. i must not fully understand the story and the politics with this. i really dont know what to believe now but isnt hamas the terrorist group attacking and hurting their own people of gaza? thats what ive heard and i really dont care too much for the news but we should all bottom line pray and support for both either way. ive heard few christian people say their hatredddd towards the israeli people then i see that the news feeds say the same.
please correct me i dont know nothing and i need to give this another watch
As Christians we treat life equally, we don't favor one group over another. The state of Israel is not a spiritual entity but a earthly political state and it has nothing to do with Christianity.
You don't need to pick any side. No one is saying to support Hamas, definitely not, nor Israel. We should be calling for and praying for peace, not picking a side.
You can watch a documentary called “The Stones Cry Out” if it's not scrubbed yet.
I wouldn’t worry about it, focus on finding a local Parish if you haven’t and being a Christian. ❤
@@Cup0Coffee thank you i will! God Bless!☦️💙
Cutting off a useless part of the body?? What? It is NOT useless at all.
Love and support for Israel and the Jewish people ❤🇮🇱 Israel forever
Love your videos David. Would this be cobsidered replacement theology?
That's what a lot of modern day evangelicals call it but it's the historic position of the church. The new ideas started getting traction in 1800's via J Darby, D L Moody & the Scofield bible. Replacement theology is a pejorative expression used to denigrate the position but you can see why this was taught by the church from the beginning as per David's observations.
Amen brother. Preach the Bible
Amen brother!
But doesn’t Zionism just mean believing in the protection of the state of Israel? I thought that Israel tried to give Palestinians a state multiple times, sacrificing blood and time to try and do this and yet they’ve denied it? Since Hamas’ moto is to exterminate all Jews, don’t you think we should at least support Israel’s efforts to defend themselves even despite their anti-Christian rhetoric? I’m not an expert on this, I humble myself to question
They had him for 33 years, saw that he was the living fulfillment of the prophesies, witnessed miracles only God can accomplish...........and rejected, betrayed and delivered him to the pagan Roman dOgs to be crucified.
So NO, they are no longer his chosen people.
We Orthodox, that believe in him, and hopefully through our faith and works are worthy of him, are his chosen people.
Jesus Christ is Lord! ☦️
@raymondcannon2141
Yes TRULY he is the ONLY Lord God, now and forever and unto the ages of ages, Amen ☦️
Amen. Christians are Christ’s True People,
ïšræl¡tes have never been His true people, they rejected Him from the start. thats why they had Him crucified.
New testament is the word of man, only the torah has been archeologically and mathematically verified. Gods word cannot be abrogated. Its real time jewish prophecy, meanwhile christianity has no unique prophecy and nothing confirmed
And what did Turkiye do to hagia sophia pigs
Sultan Abdul Hamid bought it and turned into mosque since Christians go more to gay clubs than churches and there were no attendees so quit yapping pagan worshipper🤪
You don't even go to your local church and your crying about another building that Muslims bought like the thousands of churches we bought in England 🇬🇧 and America and turned into mosque 😂
This place should've been Orthodox
So what you are saying is that this war should not concern Christians any more than two arabic/ Muslims countries waring on each other.Iraq and Iran fighting each other for ten years in the 1980, s.
One million people killed in that 10 year warfare.
Iran is not Muslim because they have strayed the true Islam and they slaughter suni Muslims in Iraq and Syria so quite yapping 🤫
Gout: cured by megachurch pastor
Israel: defended
Murican flag: venerated
Yup its boomering time
NO.! (period)
Respect to you and to all your followers from a muslim
In what way you giving respect to this Satan?? Who literally said we shouldn't support Pakistans even though they are the ones who own the country and was invaded ??🤔
David make videos calling out the hypocritical modern theologians of the Orthodox Church. Such as exist in the Greek Archdiocese.
FVCK NO!
amazing video, got a straight answer in first 5sec. God bless
Hey David thanks for the vid! Could you help me out of anyone else in chat thats knowledgeable? Could you explain to me the difference between soul and spirit?
It's same
Very informative. Thank you. 1:56 agreed.
I love Israel and Palestine☦️🇮🇱🇵🇸
Why?
I love Israle not Palestine. Please tine dosent exist and a country but a territory.
Hey David, what's up? Just got some Turkish food--so good. Quick question: how is Archangels Media on CZcams? Are they cool from your perspective? I just don't have the time to screen everything man. I know the deal but I'm 41 w/ a wife & kid & a job, so I'd rather save time. Thanks brother.
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My neighbor down the street is a Palestinian Christian. He supports Israel against Hamas. I think you all had better listen to him as I'm betting he knows something you don't know.
Two wrongs don't make a right....
Kingdom of Jerusalem was right
Nice try, Rabbi
@@rollingknuckleball I'll have to wake up much earlier to trick you. You're too smart.
@@garrettleesoh many jews in new Yorke and all over the world supports Palestinian course so what is your donut ??😂
@@garrettlees btw you should have said something more believerble lol your lies is cring 😂 no Palestinian Christian supports their churches blown up by the sionist so hold your horses rabbi 😂
Of course they spit on Christians... Paul said they were blinded for OUR SAKE... we should keep trying to help them-->romans 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
St Paul talks about a full inclusion, which can't happen if the don't believe in the Lord.
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.
St Paul's speech is about trying to bring at least a few jews to the faith.
15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Here he just seems to be optimistic to me rather than saying what they should happen.
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
Israel was cut off because of unbelief, with there being no difference since both them and gentiles will be cut off on unbelief.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
He literally talks about them being cut off and grafted and in on account of their belief, so God will be connected to them based on their belief.
24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
This isn't saying they were more worthy, but if they truly believed them repenting would be a gain, not because of special status, but because a progical son returns.
Even so, he refers to them as branches and previously he talked about saving some of them, so he doesn't talk about a fully reconstructed Israel like the one of old.
@@stefanspinu434 we are getting close to this-->Romans 11:26 KJV - And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
@@davidcrane6593 Not like how you might believe.
Romans 11:30-32
For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
The disobedience they have is the same as gentiles, so just as gentiles were saved with belief individually, so would jews.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
St Paul is clear in not saying there are any priviliges between them.
Further, the earliest church fathers talk about the jews say some will repent, with these being part of the real Israel comprised of both gentiles and jews.
Not all the Jews were blind; some of them recognized Christ. But the fullness of the Gentiles comes in among those who have been called according to the plan, and there arises a truer Israel of God … the elect from both the Jews and the Gentiles.
- Augustine of Hippo on Romans 11:26
The covenant will always be there, however long it takes for them to believe. For this is the Lord Jesus, who has promised to come from heaven in order to set the human race free. Every day he forgives the sins of those who turn to God, nor does he condemn unbelievers straightaway but waits for them, knowing that they may come to a knowledge of God. Commentary on Paul’s Epistles.
- Ambrosiaster on Romans 11:27
God’s covenant will be fulfilled not when they are circumcised, nor when they do the other deeds of the law, but when they obtain forgiveness of sins. If this has been promised but has not yet happened in their case, nor have they enjoyed the forgiveness of sins in baptism, nevertheless it will certainly come to pass.
- John Chrysostom on Romans 11:27
Amen Israel's GOD is GOD.
So let me get this straight God is only the God that jacob aka Isreal worshipped?? So your God didn't exist before jacob 🤔
@@Asiyah2000 Buy a King James bible. The Holy Trinity is GOD the Farther GOD the Son GOD the Holy Spirit. They never had a beginning because they always existed. From Eturnal time Past the present Time Now . And Eturnal Future. Keep studying KJV and have a blessed Day Amen and Amen 🙏
@@Frank-st6gd give me a verse where it says 3 are one and didn't have beginning instead parrot talking
@@Frank-st6gd btw the person who wrote your Bible was freemasonry if you didn't know so your Bible is inspired by literally 👹
@@Asiyah2000 How about you study it for Yourself. If you don't think God Jesus and The Holy Spirit always existed. You need to do the studying KJV.
Are we special for the privilege of giving our lives for Christ in martyrdom? Jesus said we should consider ourselves as unprofitable servants, not a special kind of victim. You should not be comparing Christian death to Jewish death because if you die in Christ that is not to your glory but to God's glory. Be careful not to boast against the root from which your faith in Christ comes, for God has not cast them away, as Paul warns in Romans 11. Only after the times of the gentiles have been fulfilled shall _ALL Israel be saved._ (Rom 11:26)
Biblical israel isnt the same as modern israel. They literally spit on nuns and want our religion obliterated. Stop submitting
to them you protestard.
Should all be Isreal be saved?? Do you not see how disgusting this verse is 😭
Paul was influenced by Satan in case you don't know 🤷
Finally someone said it
Very good video David
That's what most of you do shamelessly, as if they're your masters
Do we need an opinion from the one who defended russian aggression against Ukraine?
"because israel bombed one chrch" comon dude, islam do that everywhere
Exactly, Israel is easily the safest country for christians in the middle east. Jordan neglects, Shias mistreat them in Lebanon, theyre bombed in Syria, persecuted in Iraq, illegal in Saudi, and etc
@@awesomball Jordan is the most free country for christians in the middle east! Long live my country 🇯🇴🇯🇴
@@awesomball you forgot Egypt.
he said we shouldn’t support Palestine either
Read Judaism Discovered by Michael A. Hoffman II
Yes, we should support Israel. After all, we are Israelites. I see no reason to not support Israel, the body of Christ.
The church is the body of Christ not an artificially made nation that has stooped to using illegal cluster bombs, white phosphorous chemical weapons, and threats of nuclear annihilation all while targeting and killing civilians and the places they go for help. Orthodox churches have been bombed and Orthodox Christians have been murdered by the "Israeli state" not even two months ago, yet you want to kiss their feet and support them in their murderous rampage? Are you an “Israeli” bot or are you just a moron?
jesus was born in palestine
Nonsense
Jesus was a jew. And your only a jew if you have a bloodline to the jews
@@Sarah-bs4qt What do you mean? This is not nonsense. Let me ask you one thing: What is Israel?
thank you david
As an Israeli i do want to point out that although lots of religous jews are hostile to christians, overall the government protrcts the rights of christians and christian sites that freely operate in Israel, there are many monastaries and churches that operate and the government has no problems at all with it. Israel also allied itself with the lebanese catholic falange during the civil war/lebanese war. Palestinian ran areas such as bethlehem are slowly becoming less christian over time as the christians are being ran out and replaced by muslims. Either way think what you want, be pro or against Isrsel for whatever reasons, but dont neglect these facts aswell.
Yeah, but you have to remember stuff like the fact that jews were literally trying to put out a law that bans talking about the Lord.
This isn't helped by the fact that the jewish constitution literally describes the state as a jewish one, along with this being the intention behind it's creation.
You add in the fact that jews comprise the majority, so their hostility is a huge thing since they comprise most of the population.
There's also the thing that arabs at least have the excuse, which just explains but not justifies their actions, as now being a minority cut off from everyone in what was their former land, so them being radicalised by them is a natural result of all this.
@@Gavriel-Did you not watch David's videos? He literally talks about this being a promise to Abraham that through him salvation, the messiah will come. The Lord talks about the vineyard, the kingdom of God, being taken from them. He couldn't have been clearer.
@@stefanspinu434 i would have to disagree wiyh some of your points. 1st of all yes it is majority jewish, but Israel was founded as a secular socialist country that was even ussr aligned in the beggining, so lots of elements were even hostile to judaism. 2nd of all the fact arabs are a minority doesnt excuse radicalism. There are lots of arabs and especially christian ones who are completely fine with Israel and support it over palestinian resistance groups. Also lots of non jewiah minorities do military service including druze, christian and even muslim arabs and they are some of the coolest people i served with. The palestinians are radicalised as they are because of islam and it is as simple as that.
@@Gavriel-cringe whenever I see this
@@Gavriel-Arguments please
redeemed zoomerdan geldim :)
As a Christian, we must defend the chosen people of our God, the Jews ✡️
The Christians are the chosen people of God, Abraham's seed.
@@voievod9260 Jesus was a Jew, as so as His parents.
@@AgustinDaulo-cs6jk And everyone who accepts God, their Messiah is a Jew. Those who don't are not real jews
Great video.
By saying we shouldn't support poor children and innocent lives that the sionist are taking?? Is this how "loving" Jesus is ???
@@Asiyah2000 You didn't watch the video did you
@@raidthefridge7837 I did in the first minutes where he said you shouldn't support even Palestinians who getting slaughtered and made my stomach sick 🤢
@@Asiyah2000 You're twisting his words. He said that 'Christians shouldn't support PALESTINE either'. He never said that 'Christians shouldn't support Palestinians who are getting slaughtered'.
You also ignore how he said that Israel is worse.
Of course Christians aren't going to support Muslim nations. Christians support Christianity not Islam.
We as Christians should not support Jewish or Muslim nations. That doesn't mean that we want the people of those nations to be slaughtered.
@raidthefridge7837 so basically if a Muslim has been wrong by anyone you will never support because he believes another religion?? #Barbarism
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Hi, very cool video but I disagree with you a bit.
I live in Israel but I'm not Israeli and after Jews spit on christians or beat them Netanyahu spoke about it on TV and said that people can't treat christians like that and those people who did it were found and suffered the consequences.
They got Tv shows mocking christians...and i can prove
@@Nunes.mp4 please tell
Pride if you hate the jews your going against Gods will.
Did he say he hate Jews?
1. he never said that, 2. they killed Jesus, the modern day form of jvúdāįsm is different from how it was back then. (Its much more satanic today.”
@@ReplyToMeIfUrRetarded Satanic how?
@@awesomball They spit on nuns, Persecute Christians, and target Christians. They dont respect us at all. Why should we respect them?
Open up Romans 11, in the very opening sentence Paul first states:
" I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. "
Right off the bat, we get.. who are the Israelites? Descendants of Abraham.. the blood line of Jacob/Israel, are the ethnic Jewish people that God still recognizes, let's start there.
Then Paul goes on to explain the "ingrafted branches".. because of the rebellion of the Israelites, his chosen lineage from the line of Abraham, salvation has now opened up and come to the gentiles.. the native Olive Tree branches can be broken off to graft in and make room for the gentiles, but notice they're allowed into the tree but not forgotten. And this is made perfectly clear in the next paragraph..
Paul says in 11:25-28
"25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved."
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"28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all."
From this passage Paul makes clear just like the Pharaoh he's allowed the ethnic "Israel" to harden their hearts till the gentile world can all have the opportunity to be grafted in.. God's not abandoning their existence and their promise to the land was not abandoned either, for example next I'll point out Ezekiel 37.
In Ezekiel 37 under the "dry bones prophecy", after 1948 WW2 the diaspora that had been abandoned for almost 1800 years was finally allowed to reunite fulfilling this prophecy that the lineage of Abraham was not completely abandoned:
"12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel."
We, the "gentile Christian world" are grafted in as part of the "body of Christ" like Paul says in Ephesians 2-4, but the lost sheep that are these "Ben Shapiro" practicing "Jews", many that are still part of the lineage of Abraham by blood, still play a part in God's eschatological play till the end times... look at Revelations 7 with the 144,000.. comign from the Tribes of "Israel", these are the tribulation saints that converted to Christ, the mass multitude after being all the followers of Christianity. So I think you guys are 100% wrong.
Christ’s people = Christians.
Also Biblical Israel ≠ modern israel.
They are cut off For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, eprovided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise fyou too will be cut off. 23 And geven they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
They gotta repent, God has a plan for them at the end but the fulfillment is Jesus, they are like the northern Kingdom of Israel and we are Judah.
As for the Prophecy of them coming back, yes, there will be a mass converts of the Jews but most of them will be Slaughtered
and they will be able to be received back in Israel.
@@internautaoriginal9951 So you agree that the ethnic Israelites, from Abrahams lineage, many who are modern day "false jews" or whatever you want to call them, play a role, and so does national Israel, in history. We're done.
@@Jaryism This has nothing to do with the modern state of Israel. God can make Israelites out of stone. Abraham was made righteous by faith. Christ fulfilled all the bloodline messanic prophecies. All I see is genetics idolatry coming from an novel idea that showed up in the 1800s among baptist churches used to justify political ends.
If you want to support Israel, you can make an argument from a political point of view or a social one. Don't make it seem like this is some faith related obligation.
@@zaccheusanton9470 Why does Paul admit he's an Israelite, and states someone from the line of Abraham then.. he was a follower of Christ, a first Christian. What you're saying is that those of Abraham decent are just erased from history now? It doesn't MATTER if you are btw, we're all part of the "Body of Christ" and are justified by our faith alone, but to just say that the line of Abraham won't have a place in history is unbiblical, like half the prophecies in old testament are around national Israel.
Hey David…All that happened was that Hamas got Goliath’ed and is being Goliath’ed…The eternal practicalities of the story of David & Goliath need to be more observed by those Orthodox who tend to excuse the antisemitism that some have experienced by their own culture…
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Long live Israel !
Absolutely yes, we should support Israel. Lol at Christians who don’t.
They literally dont allow civilians to marry a Christian and call us non-human. not to mention the amount of persecution and disrespect, a group of israelites once spat on nuns.
I would never support people who spit at Christians and mock our Lord
Heretic detected, opinion rejected.
If Abraham live now he wont accept you is his decensdent
I don't understand in Christian and jews aspects as " god only chose certain people " lol that is root of racism 😂
Don't care what you think Jew
I don’t think he’d accept those who reject the messiah, either
A better question: Should Christians support Eastern Orthodoxy? According to the logic of David Erhan, the answer is "No!".
@David Erhan: Please stay in your lane, my dude. You are comparing Apples with Oranges and HAVE IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I am a woman and yet I would give tou you a major arse whooping if you actually tried to speak on this in a live convo. Please, put your beer down and go in timeout until you are in your right mind. Thank you. Gid bless 🙏
Woman, obey the directives of St Paul and BE SILENT!
Loony toons woman here
Jesus was Jewish so i think he would support a state of their own
It's Jesus who sends them into exile when they disobey. A Jewish state is conditional on following God's covenant, which they have failed to do.
Jesus already has a state and it's the Orthodox Church
Yes Christian’s should support Israel
I completely disagree with the comments of David.
Do you have an argument for why?
@@MultiSpeedMetal sure, Oct 7
Hostages, babies killed, youth killed
What the Hell is wrong with people supporting Hamas? Not to mention Israel is the apple of Gods eye. Also at some point Jews will call upon God. Read Ezekiel .
Not even looking Biblically, just the plain horrific massacre of women, babies and children.
It’s pretty straightforward… Hamas is a demonic natzi organization.. actually more than an organization, a belief, a way of life
It makes me beyond sick that anyone that calls him or herself a Christian would not stand with Israel
I know you are wrong and your disagreement how's your lack of knowledge
An evanjelly boomer detected?
the Church is Israel, get that american jew worship outta here
NO!!!!! 😂😂😂
The attack on church may be missinfo, info in discord under #serious discussion. no shade
The Church was bombed because of IDF incompetence and they didn't even get any if the so called terrorists so what are you talking about?
Hello David! Thanks for your videos, they’re really helpful. Just wondering if it’s possible for me to call you or send you an email
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im striving to learn more about the truth of eastern orthodoxy. i may need to give this a second watch, im so damn confused. i must not fully understand the story and the politics with this. i really dont know what to believe now but isnt hamas the terrorist group attacking and hurting their own people of gaza? thats what ive heard and i really dont care too much for the news but we should all bottom line pray and support for both either way. ive heard few christian people say their hatredddd towards the israeli people then i see that the news feeds say the same.
please correct me i dont know nothing and i need to give this another watch
He said not to support Hamas either. I suppose this video addresses the common heterodox Christian politic in America of unquestioned support for Israel.
St John Chrystosom Adverus Judaeos
Hamas is created because of Israel, it is terrorist group born out of hatred from being displaced. Significant chunk of Gazans are descendant of displaced people.
@@hachibidelta4237 I'm not supporting him but even Martin Luther exposed the Jews in his "The Jews and Their Lies."
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 thank you
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