Turning the Other Cheek: What It Means and What It Doesn’t
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Many people misread Christ's commandment on turning the other cheek, a big reason why this is the case is that most religious people are influenced by a deontological ethical framework. However many difficult to understand moral verses can be more correctly understood when read in a virtue ethicist framework, which allows us to see what Christ's commandment to turn the other cheek is really about: Being humble and meek in the face of evil.
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your videos have been fundamental to my learning of Orthodox patristic witness and theology, God bless you David☦️
Western Christianity loves to misinterpret this passage.
Pagans too
Muslims too
Atheists too. Basically everyone, honestly.
Aquinas actually gave a good answer to it. Roman Catholicism is exempted in this case
yes, a lot
Great video. This is a topic that a lot of people are confused about.
So the LORD doesn't want us to be someone else's doormat. Very interesting.
Congrats on being one of the top online Ortho influencers 🙏🏼 God Bless and keep up the great work ☦️🇷🇸
It is against Orthodox doctrine to be an "Orthodox influencer". The people who are permitted to "influence" our Orthodoxy are those who are ordained by the church: priests and bishops, saints.
I had no idea it went this deep
Thanks for the vid David
This was much needed for me. Thank you
I appreciate you. This video and some of your tweets have made it much easier for me to mature in certain emotional aspects and understand the importance of a leveled inner disposition towards good and bad in the world.
Great explanation--thanks David.
Very helpful, thank you David. I've discussed this before but it's something I find hard to keep track of especially when someone attacks it rhetorically from the "usual" angles. Must level up, make it a more automatic response/understanding.
Thank you for the video, before, I had little to no understanding of what this verse meant and because of you explaining it, now I fully understand it!
apologists also have insight not just Bishops, Priests and the Deaconate.
Amen and thank you.
When I look to the example of the early Christians,
and the persecution they endured under Roman occupation.
I see a different spirit at work.
When I look to Christ and the apostles
martyred for the message of love
A love unshaken by violence.
There to I see a different spirit at work.
When I ponder at the tribulation to come against the saints
who walk among wicked in the end of days. Rev 13
I see a spirit move men, men who know that vengeance is the Lords
And that he always repays.
To stand against evil, but not use its weapons of violence to confront it.
This is a mystery the human soul can’t understand,
unless it is consumed by the spirit of Gods love.
And I admit that presently I’m battling to sincerely understand this love
Yet I know we serve the prince(principle) of peace
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
but against false principles and values
that govern us from seats of authority.
God goes to war with words and love
Man goes to war with swords and hate
Men beats the flesh, and sheds blood
God reveals the Spirit and sheds lies.
Tell that to nazis... 6 mill deaths of innocent... we saved thousands...
So your saying that 😏 we should have not stoped hitler... how many more innocent would he kill...
The church fathers were not perfect and shouldn't be gospel
Beautiful video, many thanks🙏
Very vital video
Forgive me but I still got the impression that Augustine affirmed that the virtuous disposition still results in physically enduring violence rather than fighting back. Am I wrong?
Weird question: Where is the picture from at the beginning? I swear I've seen a monk with a sword stinging in front of that wood cross with a roof. Is that a normal thing somewhere, or is that a specific place?
What should i do if there is no any Orthodox church near me that has English liturgy services?
Go to one that's not in English.
but what about the early church fathers who didnt share this interpretation at all and took it to it's literal meaning? i.e. not resisting an evil person.
most of them even condemned self-defense and viewed it as unjustified violence.
Could you name them?
@@player1playforfun literally all of them prior to Augustine. Cyprian, Tertullian, Origen, Justin Martyr, Clement, the list goes on. you can read the ante-nicene fathers if you dont believe me.
@crasnicul3371 thing is tho is that that is foolish christ in other places punished people told people to carry swords.
And when looked at through other scriptures...
It's insane to tell a father to jot kill a man breaking in to rape or kill his wife and daughter.
Augustine had the bravery to look at o.t. and go if we understand it this way it makes the law of just war and defense in o.t sin... which makes God contradictor
Not only that but it also says soldiers carry the sword for gods justice...
So then they can't believe. To say other wise doesn't parse all scripture...
The fathers were men. And believers living in there own times... this is why I will never be r.c.c. or e.o. I don't need others to tell me something means this...
Please brother ask your priest for permission before uploading anything like this. Preface your video by saying "This is only my understanding, you should always ask your priest or spiritual father for advice", not any lay person.
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Can you please make a video on infant baptism vs adult baptism?
And if not, can you please provide sources for me to learn about the orthodox view on this?
How far, according to your understanding, could this principle be “extended”? As an example, in the Scriptures you find examples like “It would be better for you to tie a weight around your neck and be tossed into the sea before you make a little one stumble”. So, can it truly be spiritually beneficial for you to be killed or to kill another? Are there actions that can never be accounted for?
Genesis 9:6 is similar:
“Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man."
I would think it still shouldn't be the product of wrath, but that there can of course be justified killing.
@@nousquest I understand that, and I agree. But more specifically, I am asking if it is or can be understood as spiritually beneficial for the man being killed or the man who is killing the the other?
@@CalebDekker When the sole intent of the lying or the killing is to prevent great evils that would be otherwise be caused by you being complicit, then it is what we are called to do. It is actually evil to not intervene, but righteous to do so. I agree that "spiritually beneficial killing" sounds questionable, but ultimately the main point is that intervening against evil is indeed spiritually beneficial for the one doing it.
@@nousquest Yeah, I mean I have to agree. It would be evil not to intervene. Surely the Orthodox would say that St. Alexander's defense of the Russian people against the Teutonic Knights was a righteously motivated battle where many were slain. So, it is certainly true there are such cases.
Then the only question left is, is it truly spiritually beneficial for the one who is killed? Because there could be implications if it were the case such as the idea that it could be truly beneficial to mutilate your eyes if it prevented you from evils in the future. If flaying your flesh, which is certainly less of an imposition than death, resulted in greater piety and less evil (even if we recognize that the flesh itself is truly not evil) then wouldn't it be better for us to adopt the practice?
@@CalebDekker It stops them from committing the sin of murder, so I'd say yes.
thk you again
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unrelated to the topic, but why were the gospels written so late?
They weren't
Unfortunately you are not a priest and should not be giving advice about such controversial topics. Only priests and bishops and deacons are entrusted with our salvation.