Burne Hogarth’s work “Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery” has been a significant book in my library and key in information in regard to apparel illustration and fit for my experience. Thank you
Ive been a student of Hogarth books literally since graduating high school and completing Army training It truly was a struggle deciphering all his teachings Its taken my entire adult life, alone Mind you i would not come to own either Figure books until much later in life
To put it in perspective, it took me around 2-3 months symmerizing each method in a video. But it took me almost a YEAR to read and re read and re re read and do lots of exercises on Hogarth's method to be able to "hopefully" summarize his method in a video. I still advise anyone to still go and read the books cause this video only scratch the surface of his method. After all that, I would say this method is not for beginner artists cause you do need some background knowledge in figure drawing and anatomy beforehand. I still don't know any students that carried out his method after him, due to how complicated his method was, but I still recommend it for dynamic anatomy and drawing comics. There is another method I'm gonna talk about later for Glenn Vilppu's which I consider an easier way to understand anatomy but looks as cool as Hogarth's. Hopefully I get to make a video about it soon.
@@SalemShanouha you're absolutely right Burne books are not how to, step by step books It's all just raw data and theories that you just have to absorb and make and use as your own But his mission did succeed in me to be able to create figures in different poses without references
@@sirlester3 That's part of why I made this series, cause I tried all of these methods and I ended up with a mix of 2-3 of them mashed together. Personally I would suggest new artists to start with the Freestyle method cause its basically angles and measurements. Intermediate artists to go with the Peanut method cause it produces good and dynamic poses. Advanced artists to just test them all and make up their own method out of all of them.
man and i thought bridgman was hard, this method is something else. I need to study way more anatomy before I think I can use this one. Great vid very informative.
I started learning anatomy with Hogarth, so when someone showed me Bridgeman, it was MUCH easier. Wasnt there a teacher student relationship between those two?
Here´s my method of figure drawing. Get hold of 4 life sized mirrors and sketch yourself in the nude or clothed depending on what your needs are. Or mount a camera on a tripod and take pictures of yourself from all angles. Print out the result and trace using a lightboard. Then practice drawing the different positions from memory. Some stuff is easy to remember how to draw. F.ex, clothing fit the body when sitting, running, walking etc. in a certain way that never deviate from that particular angle except if the person depicted is different in size. Of course there would be a problem if you want to draw a bulky barbarian, since the vast majority of artists are puny in size and don´t have the body builder look. My solution is to get a bulky marvel/DC figure and use as model. All works for me.
You can also check out these guys anatomy360.info/ Not a sponsor but If you cant afford a model, this is the closest you can get to having one and drawing it from all sides and poses
Salem... your videos are really excellent. You're very comprehensive going through a number of artists with the same goals in mind. I'm watching this Hogarth video and I think you've saved me tons of hours trying to understand his book by myself but more importantly you add additional information than he does by connecting the sections of his book and comprehensively explaining it. For me his books are short of words and more on demonstrations of what he means. I'd bee very interested if you could/would take his books on shadows and the other on folds and drapery and use your method to explain it. I'm also very interested in finishing the work or shading. I don't find as many people even on you tube that do a good job in finalizing art with shadowing. Many thanks for the time and effort you put in to these.
I've always been put off by Hogarth for the reasons you mention - but your video made him much more approachable. Great work on your videos in general - I very much appreciate your systematic and thorough treatment of the topics.. thanks for taking the time to put these together!
Thank you really appreciate it :) Glad you found it helpful. Hogarth method needs time and patience to master it. But once you do you will find it really helpful and intriguing.
I'm not much of a fan of Hogarth, since he made things overly complex and his convoluted writing style... for heck sake! He taxed even the fans of victorian literature! But the principles behind the excesively stylized drawings and obscure text are really useful, you made things clearer and easier to catch. I understand that this tutorial take longer than the other two, since studying Hogarth is much more harder than Bridgman (at least imho), but doing a superb job as has been expected. Thank you so much! And i'm really eager to watch how you explain Hamm and specially Reilly methods! Cheers!
I know what you mean by his writing style. I re read it 3 times to get to his points. He sometimes repeat the same thing 3 times in different sophisticated words. Some of it feels like showing off, it is not an easy book to follow i totally agree on that. I did wish that he made some videos for drawing the figure tho. As for hamm its gona be much more enjoyable for me, his books is so simple and fun to follow. As for Reilly's i may delay it a little bit. Im still trying to get his book, i learned his method a while ago from other artists who have the book by his student "Values for Pictures Worth a Thousand Words: A Manual for Realist / Representational Painters" which is the best book from all the ones by his students and the most accurate. I have been trying to get it myself to no veil. I may have to do a shout out to you guys in case any of you have it. The only digital copy available is on amazon kindle and sadly i cant get it in my country only in america and Europe. So i need to find a way to get the book so i can make sure the method is represented exactly as he did it.
Salem Shanouha if i can can put my hands on any of the books that has Reilly's signature style on the construction aspects, i'll be reaching you ASAP, as i know by first hand, it can be hard to find good art books on some places, speacilly those that aren't (and should be) popular. Anyway, i'm on your side, Hamm is much more fun, although he can be much more mechanic, relying on "formulaic" groundwork, but, didn't Loomis used to do something similar? it is clear, simple, easier to follow, and can yield nice results sooner than others. Anyway, thanks again for all this work you put together, you are making all this methods more aprochable than never before. Peace!
Thank you I really appreciate it. Reilly's student books are like platinum very rare to find. As for Hamm its actually have the characteristic of loomis's method that is easy to replicate. Maybe cause they both were cartoonists. But currently im delaying the Jack hamm video due to 2 videos im working on. 2 videos about painting that I think will be beneficial, Just a little break from this series, to make things a bit varied and less monotonic. Also giving more time for me to find a version of that book :)
Burne Hogarth book is very conceptual, i read it about 4 or 5 times to get the hang of it which is in this video. He does have his way of writing which can be very poetic but hard to follow. There was no homework or assignments, the book was written in 1970 which was strict to business.
I would say Loomis is beginner - intermediate level and Hogarth is an advance level. If you done Loomis and mastered his technique you are ready for Hogarth. His book is complicated and needs more then one read. I know I had to go through his words 4 or 5 times to understand what he meant. But once you get through his method and understand it, it really opens up your mind for new ideas and ways to draw the figure not only from reference but from imagination as well.
I agree, he speaks in his books to either advanced artists or even peers. But His principles are essential none the less to draw from imagination. It needs some time to sink in though.
I agree. I first picked up a Hogarth book in 2008, when he was hot s%^# and immediately disregarded it. Now Loomis is king, which I also disagree with. I think the best advice anyone can give about drawing and drawing books is that life drawing is the bedrock of experience you want. drawing books are more like a module you install to further enhance your understanding, but you have to be able to censor the bad and salvage the good.
nice videos , love to see books explanation before i start reading it it helps a lot thx can y recommend me some books to read for figure casue i only watched video tutorials to draw figure , " im good at perspective and anatomy "
There are so many.. the ones that comes to mind Andrew loomis "figure for all its worth" of course.. you can check Glenn Vilppu "The Vilppu Drawing Manual" and also Michael Hampton Figure Drawing - Design and Invention. And if you can get ur hand on George Bridgman'S Complete Guide To Drawing From Life and Burne Hogarth Dynamic Figure Drawing. These that come to mind right now.
thx, y i have them all , just lots of stuff out there and sometimes i waste time reading or watching something and turns out it was useless , will start with andrew loomis
:D they are kept a secret till unavailing, but i will tell you 3 of them, the next one in line is Jack Hamm method and after that , the Frank Reilly's method. and then somewhere in the middle will be Glenn Vlippu method.
lol i always believed Kim Jung Gi uses black magic for his drawings. But i did watch these 3 videos, he used couple of methods that im gona talk about, cubism, basic shapes and anatomical structure. Which are on the list, the videos though gave me an idea to expand on cubism and basic shapes to make them include extreme angles like he does. So i may not talk about his method (since i need to learn Korean first) but maybe explain how to draw the figure in extreme angles using basic shapes. Thanks for the videos though they definitely gona help me make mine better :)
Also these instagram.com/p/BSuvrpIDPIo/?taken-by=kimjunggius instagram.com/p/BSP4yoojdFf/?taken-by=kimjunggius instagram.com/p/BSP4D3UjFwE/?taken-by=kimjunggius
Thank for doing all the hard work by taking a complicated process and simplifying it for the rest of us.
Burne Hogarth’s work “Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery” has been a significant book in my library and key in information in regard to apparel illustration and fit for my experience. Thank you
Ive been a student of Hogarth books literally since graduating high school and completing Army training
It truly was a struggle deciphering all his teachings
Its taken my entire adult life, alone
Mind you i would not come to own either Figure books until much later in life
To put it in perspective, it took me around 2-3 months symmerizing each method in a video. But it took me almost a YEAR to read and re read and re re read and do lots of exercises on Hogarth's method to be able to "hopefully" summarize his method in a video.
I still advise anyone to still go and read the books cause this video only scratch the surface of his method. After all that, I would say this method is not for beginner artists cause you do need some background knowledge in figure drawing and anatomy beforehand.
I still don't know any students that carried out his method after him, due to how complicated his method was, but I still recommend it for dynamic anatomy and drawing comics.
There is another method I'm gonna talk about later for Glenn Vilppu's which I consider an easier way to understand anatomy but looks as cool as Hogarth's. Hopefully I get to make a video about it soon.
@@SalemShanouha you're absolutely right
Burne books are not how to, step by step books
It's all just raw data and theories that you just have to absorb and make and use as your own
But his mission did succeed in me to be able to create figures in different poses without references
@@sirlester3 That's part of why I made this series, cause I tried all of these methods and I ended up with a mix of 2-3 of them mashed together.
Personally I would suggest new artists to start with the Freestyle method cause its basically angles and measurements.
Intermediate artists to go with the Peanut method cause it produces good and dynamic poses.
Advanced artists to just test them all and make up their own method out of all of them.
man and i thought bridgman was hard, this method is something else. I need to study way more anatomy before I think I can use this one. Great vid very informative.
Yup anatomy is a must with this one. Along with time and practice as well. :)
I started learning anatomy with Hogarth, so when someone showed me Bridgeman, it was MUCH easier. Wasnt there a teacher student relationship between those two?
Please keep doing these. Why you don't have more subs?
Great Art by Great Artist, good job.
Thank you.
Here´s my method of figure drawing. Get hold of 4 life sized mirrors and sketch yourself in the nude or clothed depending on what your needs are. Or mount a camera on a tripod and take pictures of yourself from all angles. Print out the result and trace using a lightboard. Then practice drawing the different positions from memory. Some stuff is easy to remember how to draw. F.ex, clothing fit the body when sitting, running, walking etc. in a certain way that never deviate from that particular angle except if the person depicted is different in size.
Of course there would be a problem if you want to draw a bulky barbarian, since the vast majority of artists are puny in size and don´t have the body builder look. My solution is to get a bulky marvel/DC figure and use as model. All works for me.
You can also check out these guys
anatomy360.info/
Not a sponsor but If you cant afford a model, this is the closest you can get to having one and drawing it from all sides and poses
Tuff man! I don't know how much time I need to repeat this lesson...but ur video is very helpful...
Thank you :) glad it helped. It was a long one..
Salem... your videos are really excellent. You're very comprehensive going through a number of artists with the same goals in mind. I'm watching this Hogarth video and I think you've saved me tons of hours trying to understand his book by myself but more importantly you add additional information than he does by connecting the sections of his book and comprehensively explaining it. For me his books are short of words and more on demonstrations of what he means.
I'd bee very interested if you could/would take his books on shadows and the other on folds and drapery and use your method to explain it. I'm also very interested in finishing the work or shading. I don't find as many people even on you tube that do a good job in finalizing art with shadowing. Many thanks for the time and effort you put in to these.
Dude, I love your channel, it is one of my favourites, I look up to you.
Thank you :) Im really glad you liked it
I've always been put off by Hogarth for the reasons you mention - but your video made him much more approachable. Great work on your videos in general - I very much appreciate your systematic and thorough treatment of the topics.. thanks for taking the time to put these together!
Thank you really appreciate it :) Glad you found it helpful. Hogarth method needs time and patience to master it. But once you do you will find it really helpful and intriguing.
This is intense information.
I Hope you find it helpful :)
@@SalemShanouha I totally did.
Thank you so much for making this a lot easier to understand and start to draw with.
Its my pleasure thank you for watching and im glad its helpful :)
I'm not much of a fan of Hogarth, since he made things overly complex and his convoluted writing style... for heck sake! He taxed even the fans of victorian literature! But the principles behind the excesively stylized drawings and obscure text are really useful, you made things clearer and easier to catch. I understand that this tutorial take longer than the other two, since studying Hogarth is much more harder than Bridgman (at least imho), but doing a superb job as has been expected. Thank you so much! And i'm really eager to watch how you explain Hamm and specially Reilly methods! Cheers!
I know what you mean by his writing style. I re read it 3 times to get to his points. He sometimes repeat the same thing 3 times in different sophisticated words. Some of it feels like showing off, it is not an easy book to follow i totally agree on that. I did wish that he made some videos for drawing the figure tho.
As for hamm its gona be much more enjoyable for me, his books is so simple and fun to follow. As for Reilly's i may delay it a little bit. Im still trying to get his book, i learned his method a while ago from other artists who have the book by his student "Values for Pictures Worth a Thousand Words: A Manual for Realist / Representational Painters" which is the best book from all the ones by his students and the most accurate. I have been trying to get it myself to no veil. I may have to do a shout out to you guys in case any of you have it. The only digital copy available is on amazon kindle and sadly i cant get it in my country only in america and Europe. So i need to find a way to get the book so i can make sure the method is represented exactly as he did it.
Salem Shanouha if i can can put my hands on any of the books that has Reilly's signature style on the construction aspects, i'll be reaching you ASAP, as i know by first hand, it can be hard to find good art books on some places, speacilly those that aren't (and should be) popular. Anyway, i'm on your side, Hamm is much more fun, although he can be much more mechanic, relying on "formulaic" groundwork, but, didn't Loomis used to do something similar? it is clear, simple, easier to follow, and can yield nice results sooner than others. Anyway, thanks again for all this work you put together, you are making all this methods more aprochable than never before. Peace!
Thank you I really appreciate it. Reilly's student books are like platinum very rare to find. As for Hamm its actually have the characteristic of loomis's method that is easy to replicate. Maybe cause they both were cartoonists. But currently im delaying the Jack hamm video due to 2 videos im working on. 2 videos about painting that I think will be beneficial, Just a little break from this series, to make things a bit varied and less monotonic. Also giving more time for me to find a version of that book :)
This is gold!!!! Thnks so much , a lot of useful information here. ill be watchig this over and over again.
Thank you :) glad you found it helpful
I have bought this book recently, and it is great to use this video alongside it - thanks
Great book :) glad u found this helpful
does his book mention any like mini 'homework' assignments. or like mini excercises to help better or does he just say go straight to the figure??
Burne Hogarth book is very conceptual, i read it about 4 or 5 times to get the hang of it which is in this video. He does have his way of writing which can be very poetic but hard to follow. There was no homework or assignments, the book was written in 1970 which was strict to business.
Is Hogarth better than Loomis? I already have Loomis but I haven't done copying his book yet, so I'm hesitating buying Hogarth's book
I would say Loomis is beginner - intermediate level and Hogarth is an advance level. If you done Loomis and mastered his technique you are ready for Hogarth. His book is complicated and needs more then one read. I know I had to go through his words 4 or 5 times to understand what he meant. But once you get through his method and understand it, it really opens up your mind for new ideas and ways to draw the figure not only from reference but from imagination as well.
Thank you for the information.
awesome stuff
so awesome!!
^_^ Thank u
awesome video thanks
Thank you for watching :)
Hogarths stuff isnt for beginners. I know from reading his books once and seemed more towards that know anatomy or have a solid understanding of it.
I agree, he speaks in his books to either advanced artists or even peers. But His principles are essential none the less to draw from imagination. It needs some time to sink in though.
I agree. I first picked up a Hogarth book in 2008, when he was hot s%^# and immediately disregarded it. Now Loomis is king, which I also disagree with. I think the best advice anyone can give about drawing and drawing books is that life drawing is the bedrock of experience you want. drawing books are more like a module you install to further enhance your understanding, but you have to be able to censor the bad and salvage the good.
nice video thanks a lot mate
Its a pleasure. Cheers :)
THANKS
nice videos , love to see books explanation before i start reading it it helps a lot thx
can y recommend me some books to read for figure casue i only watched video tutorials to draw figure , " im good at perspective and anatomy "
There are so many.. the ones that comes to mind Andrew loomis "figure for all its worth" of course.. you can check Glenn Vilppu "The Vilppu Drawing Manual" and also Michael Hampton Figure Drawing - Design and Invention. And if you can get ur hand on George Bridgman'S Complete Guide To Drawing From Life and Burne Hogarth Dynamic Figure Drawing. These that come to mind right now.
thx, y i have them all , just lots of stuff out there and sometimes i waste time reading or watching something and turns out it was useless , will start with andrew loomis
will you do one based on Michael Hampton's method?
It isnt included in the 20 ways list, but i may included as an extra since i do have the video course of his method. So maybe :)
Hey! Do you have planned what the rest of the methods are for this course? (the upcoming 17)
Generally yes, the big title of each one and some key elements. But each one is taking a lot of time to finish.
Can you tell me what to expect? :D I'm glad I found your channel
:D they are kept a secret till unavailing, but i will tell you 3 of them, the next one in line is Jack Hamm method and after that , the Frank Reilly's method. and then somewhere in the middle will be Glenn Vlippu method.
lol i always believed Kim Jung Gi uses black magic for his drawings. But i did watch these 3 videos, he used couple of methods that im gona talk about, cubism, basic shapes and anatomical structure. Which are on the list, the videos though gave me an idea to expand on cubism and basic shapes to make them include extreme angles like he does. So i may not talk about his method (since i need to learn Korean first) but maybe explain how to draw the figure in extreme angles using basic shapes. Thanks for the videos though they definitely gona help me make mine better :)
Also these instagram.com/p/BSuvrpIDPIo/?taken-by=kimjunggius instagram.com/p/BSP4yoojdFf/?taken-by=kimjunggius
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lol really didn't like his stylized shading 😂
Nigga shut up
Hes not teaching you to shade
Why isn't there any sound on this video? FAIL & DISLIKE!!!