Is Detective Pikachu Mathematically The Worst?!
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2019
- Clickbait Title: A Short Review and Discussion of Detective Pikachu and The Broader Subject of Video Game Movies
Written and performed by Dan Olson
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Whenever's Haunter's not on the screen all the other characters should saying, "Where's Haunter?"
When are they gonna get to the PokéPuffs factory?
(intense sobbing)
"I mean, 'Venasaur!'"
Bravo
Haunter died on the way to his home planet
Look, Pikachu! It's our friend Haunter!
It took me way to long to realize that "Haunter" was not an esoteric film crit term I wasn't yet familiar with.
Not just me then
Well it should be!
It's a term we use to refer to an arbitrary measure upon which disproportionate weighting will be applied.
HAHAHHA
oh, but it is
It's not enough to just have Haunter, that's plain tokenism. You really need two Haunters to have a conversation about something other than Haunter...
*Something other than Gengar. They can talk about haunter, as long as it isn't about making ghastlies.
personally, i’m looking for Misdreavus representation
It's basically the Bechdel test for pokemon.
@@314APAR thatsthejoke.gif
This is now a god tier shitpost.
You are welcome.
"If you get the feeling of being watched in darkness when nobody is around, Haunter is there." - Pokedex entry about Haunter. Haunter might not have been in the movie itself as much as you might like, but they were there in the dark corners of the theater, watching...waiting...
COMMISERATING!!!
SAY IT AINT SO!
@@NapnCat I WILL NOT GO!
You might have just saved the movie for me
@@surfacingcom TURN THE LIGHTS OFF
Brandon Davis CARRY ME HOME!!!
My rubric for a Folding Ideas video:
Insightful criticism : /5 * 0.6
Film school jargon : /5 * 0.6
Shitpost quality : /5 * 0.8
Amy : /5 * 18
Insightful criticism: 4/5 (more examination of filmmaking techniques would have been appreciated, but I got the impression right away that this wasn't going to be that kind of video)
Film school jargon: 1/5 (basically none that I perceived)
Shitpost quality: 5/5 (an astute sendup of "objective" film criticism on CZcams, given appropriate shitpost status by the befuddling inclusion of the "haunter" category)
Amy: 2.5/5 (there was that one shot, but I really would have liked to have seen more of her)
4 * 0.6 = 2.4
1 * 0.6 = 0.6
5 * 0.8 = 4
2.5 * 18 = 45
2.4 + 0.6 + 4 + 45 = 52
52/100
An extraordinarily "meh" Folding Ideas video, all things considered.
Can I get a folding Ideas video with the highest amy score?
Guess somebody else also worked in education
@@no-man_baugh I believe it's the Assassin's Creed video he did
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Helpfulness 9/10
Sass 10/10
I love the irony that whether or not Haunter is in the movie is the only objective trait on the list
But then it has the least objective weighting lol. This channel is great
I think that's the point. Truly objective traits of stories tend to be the absolute least important ones; the ones that people talk about as "objective" tend to just be the subjective ones everything else orbits.
BUT NO GARDEVOIR AND LATIAS
@@timothymclean Yeah, people love to throw around the word "objective" in regards to plotholes, actions "making sense" and whether the characters are well-written, when none of that can be objectively measured
@@timothymclean "Least important"? Clearly you don't understand Haunter. Perhaps study the subject more to understand the true depth and scope of its greatness.
I used to like the film "My Dinner With Andre" but now that I know the objective rating scale, I can recognize that "My Dinner With Andre" features neither a Haunter, a Gastly, nor even a Gengar, mega or otherwise. Objectively, it is one of the worst films ever made.
Are you sure Wallace Shawn isn't a Haunter? I'm honestly not so certain.
@@heiro7572 if by Haunter you mean a delightful human being then yes you are on to something.
Gotta admit, My Dinner with Andre is quite good for being a video game movie.
I used to think Pan's Labyrinth was my favorite movie, but then I realized that there are no members of the Ghastly evolution line in it, so it's objectively one of the worst films ever made.
You know you've cultivated a good audience when you can play the satire this straight without the comment section devolving into confused shrieking.
How can Detective Pikachu be the worst movie you've talked about when all of the other movies don't have ANY Haunter? No Gastly or Gengar either, the whole family is GONE. Based on the 100% accurate, objective, fair scoring system Detective Pikachu should be one of the BEST movies you've reviewed.
No, you don't understand, the problem is, EVERY movie he's reviewed is among the worst movies he's ever reviewed.
I feel like 'embrace the cheese' is actually a pretty good message to people who like to review movies that are made for younger audiences.
Also starring a yellow mouse.
@@GerBessa Never thought of pikachu as a mouse. My life.
Beastly taught us to Embrace the Suck
I think that's a good message for all media as long as you like enjoying things
The idea isn't that cheese is for younger audiences. A movie can be for adults and cheesy. It's all about intent. If they wanted to make a SUPER SERIOUS movie and ended up having cheesy moments, that would be against the movie's intentions.
I appreciate that you spoiled Endgame, but not Detective Pikachu.
😅
Big subversion of expectations on the non-clickbait title being in the description.
!!!
no one had those axpectations... so no subvertion there, judt mild anger!
Ntig Dona lmao I hope you’re kidding
...I'm starting to lose track of when he is and isn't being serious. Probably a sign that these videos are getting too smart for me.
Always good to see a channel I like in the comments of the video I'm watching. Is he serious? Yes, but no, but maybe, but no, but yes.
I imagine they're saving Haunter for the 'Paranormal Investigator Farfetched' spinoff.
See... You say that like a joke... but I'd actually be super into that, whether they played it straight or as a full-on goof.
As someone who is an educator, this level of "objective criticism" trolling is fantastic.
I was going to give this video an objective mathematical score of my own but then Amy showed up and any shred of potential objectivity went right out the window. This review gets 100/100.
Using Amy in your rubrick is one of the most objective ways to rate these videos
This triggered flashbacks to my high school physics teacher who once gave me a 10/10 on "concept," 10/10 on "understanding," and 2/10 on "formatting" and that was a 45% somehow.
That said, lack of haunter is truly unacceptable. What were they even thinking.
The great scientists of old all knew, a properly formatted lab report is waaaay more important than the actual science.
Yeah. Maybe that's why Newton got credited with calculus instead of Leibniz - he just formatted his notes better. xD
@@Dorian_sapiens My mom pointed out that he probably expected everyone to do worse on concept and understanding than they would on formatting.
Or he just didn't like me, which is also probable.
@@lennydotdotdot5580 Oh, I see what your mom was saying: the teacher intended formatting to be a big chunk of easy points. That sucks that it massively backfired on you specifically.
@@Dorian_sapiens yeah lol.
If I could be real, this video makes a really good point not just about the arbitration of numerical rating in criticism, but also the way in which different aspects of films and games are often pitted against each other for the sake of a unifying “goodness” factor. A lot of really interesting and valuable parts of media are often ignored because they’re seen as unimportant if the media in question doesn’t meet some all-encompassing evaluative standard. Like, if I tried to take Dan’s analysis of No Man’s Sky and tell it to my friends, I’d probably be told “yeah well, it doesn’t matter cuz the game sux” and be shut down.
I rate this comment 32/100, mediocre.
Graphics: 1/5 they technically exist, but with very few polygons
Sound: 0/5 obviously
Controls: 1/5 there's very few buttons, and the dislike button doesn't seem to do anything, maybe broken
Gameplay: 1/5 single player gameplay was non-existent and multiplayer is dialogue focused, not enough action.
Story: 5/5 it has a cool story.
But isn't 1/5 on the Haunter scale still more than movies achieve?
I think different objective scales apply to different movies, depending on which expectations you objectively experience in the lead-up to the film.
@@Grayhome I usually go with my own personal objective scale. It takes into consideration my all the idiosyncrasies and gives the objective score that matters most to me.
True. That means no other movie can ever surpass 10/100, making Detective Pikachu the best movie of all times by a long shot.
While what you say is objectively true; i think we should take into consideration that Detective Pikachu had more opportunities than other less fortunate movies.
David Nadler There’s a Haunter in Destiny Deoxys. It’s not a major role but I’d say it’s easily a 3/5 on the Haunter scale.
According to my impeccably rational and numerical rating system:
1 x Amy going hog on a plush mouse = Certified Fresh
I like how this review sort of spoofs the coveted "objective" review that's so prevalent in online media Discourse™.
Being objective is useful for having a good basis to discuss with, but if it's about personal enjoyment of a movie that's something you have to figure out for yourself. So subjective reviews are "only" useful (i.e. figuring out if you want to watch a movie) if you know how your personal taste aligns with the reviewer.
Or just watch the review for entertainment as most people do.
Not only what Alko said, but FI is also has a primarily objective-based lens in which he reviews movies. So it'd be a self spoof I guess.
@@Alkoluegenial WTF is "being objective" in regard to movie criticism even supposed to mean? How can you quantify the quality of work of fiction, create a mathematical formula for it? "Runtime divided by number of explosions" or what
objective does not mean that someone can do the math on sumething!
lets see, in batman vs superman, superman kills zod... its a terrible scene that people justify by saying it would teach superman humanity... but how in the hell does that justification make any sense? the claim is that superman will feel bad and never want to do it again! the problem is that superman did it because he needed to... and if he ever needs to do it again, he will have to do it again... so no lesson there, huh? and thats just one of the many problems with this scene, not the least of this scene, not the least of which is the fact that the use of a young klark in the trailer probably made this even more unexpected leading to a lot of parents taking their kids to see this!
objective doesn't mean math... it means facts that can be agreed on... like superman killing zod! soeverything in the movies is objective... what it means might not be, but even for fictional movie, we can all come up with what a scene in a movie means, should mean, or is supposed to mean..
@@ntigdona7487 Is this like a copy-pasta or something? I'm pretty sure you've argued so badly here that I'm just going to agree with whatever you were arguing against.
Dan be like:
Laughs /200
Adventure /150
Feels /800
Haunter /3,600
someone who is good at reviews please help me budget this. my audience is shrinking.
Spend less on haunter
@@Bannaja no
@@Bannaja How dare you
@@bearbatter Cooperative meming
Your opinion on Haunter is good and you should feel good
Seconded. Why one would downgrade a Haunter to a Gengar is beyond me.
objectively true
@@Syurtpiutha Exactly! I never evolve my Haunters
so, I suppose this was a video about the subjectivism of "objective" reviews, and how you can tailor a score to reflect the abstract preferences you have about films by increasing the artificial value of each subject. Also, the actual score you give them can be arbitrary, he based his 5/5 laughs rating based on the audience's enjoyment, despite feeling the jokes were too juvenile to find funny, while decreasing the adventure score by 1 based on his personal disappointment with the resolution. Of course, the Haunter score was fully justified. What were they thinking, putting no Haunter in there!?
And of course, Haunter is also the most objective metric. Anyone can count the number of Haunters that appear onscreen, so any "objective" review would be incomplete without accounting for it.
I think more movies should be held to the Haunter standard, in general. It could really change movies as we've known them.
I mean, Citizen Kane is good, but what about its Haunter content? Zero. Now it's objectively garbage.
Real talk Citizen Kane actually sucks but it is about the ghosts of the past and Kane on the present. As such it's Haunter score would be 2
I might be crucified for this... but I feel Citizen Kane... might be just a wee bit... aged. I feel that quite a lot of its brilliance originally came from how groundbreaking and innovative it was technically, and that's why it feels a lot more like a modern movie than others of the same era... but it also means that I'm kinda accustomed to it and not exactly blown away by that aspect. Still a brilliant film, don't get me wrong, but, in my opinion, far from "the best movie of all time" as a lot of people say.
"not a single Gardevoir"
[cancels my ticket]
I'm guessing there's no Goodra either
but you don't event know how many lopunnies are there!
..... .... ............ [uncancels]
FINALLY, someone who PROPERLY appreciates Haunter. He looks so much cooler than Gengar.
Master Barf I am a big fan of Ghastly. But Haunter is still miles beyond Gengar.
Hey, Haunter looks better, but Gengar's got more personality and that goes a long way. Plus, he's super fun to use in Pokken. Fact
YES. Honestly gengar is my least favourite of the whole evolution line
people who love Haunter have no friends. People with friends to trade with love Gengar. Others love pretend to love Haunter while jealously hating Gengar.
Gengar is a fat sack of ghost crap.
I liked the numbers because they made it do a logic.
Just watch out for that Gibbs jump m8
Me every second til 7:00 :
YEAH YEAH YEAH, BUT HOW MUCH HAUNTER IS THERE?
I read the omission of Haunter as a deliberate nod to Derrida's concept of hauntology, Detective Pikachu being an explicit comment on how in capitalism the entertainment industry's constant recycling of past imagery does nothing more than to make us pine for "a future that never arrived". The inclusion of Gengar therefore clearly alludes to the spectre of communism.
Oh, absolutely! The symbolism is almost a little too on the nose. Personally, I've been toying with the idea that the writers, in having a subplot where a lab accident is covered up, are making a subliminal hint that 9/11 may have some questions left unanswered.
I think all movie reviews should be scored on this scientifically balanced formula.
I dunno, can't expect many non-Pokemon IPs to include Haunter. You may be right though.
What about something like Incendes? Not much in adventure.
@@arlosteiner8382 I'm sorry, but was Dan stuttering when he said it was "flawless. Bulletproof."
Are you seriously going to question science?
Some Guy Named Rob I will when it doesn't work. Can't have an adventure criteria when there isn't any
@@arlosteiner8382 That's what a "0" is for. Though few movies don't feature an adventure of some kind. A spiritual journey can be an adventure.
Again, science.
Haunter was there, he's just doing ghost type stuff and being invisible.
I think that just falls back into the Thermian argument though, "there's no Haunter on screen because he's invisible" when it really is "there's no Haunter on screen because they chose no to put any"
Why do so many people like Haunter so much?
And why are they all absolutely correct?
Cool ghost with creepy floaty hands
Because the arc where one joined Ash to screw with Sabrina was a great moment as a child
What disgusting troglodyte thought to put Gengar in this film over Haunter? I am shaking and crying right now.
people who love Haunter have no friends. People with friends to trade with love Gengar. Others love pretend to love Haunter while jealously hating Gengar.
That Gengar had to fight a Blastoise, man. That's a third-level evolution with crazy bulk and no type disadvantage. You couldn't put a Haunter up against that, it's got a base special defense of 55 and an HP stat of 45. One Hydro Pump is all it would take.
@@pennyfarting was about to say the same thing, canonically wouldn't make any sense
@@pennyfarting That's true, especially if you consider that
SPOILER WARNING
Gengar won against Blastoise. A Haunter would've lost.
@@cutecommie They said in the film Pikachu beat Charizard
I have read ton of steam reviews that reads exactly like this, with the exception that they are 100% serious.
This seems like a reasonable and fair grading system to me, sounds legit
I love that no matter how hard you stick to the shitpost format you choose for these reviews you will always just stop for anything Amy does
What do you mean shitpost? This is a Highly Objective Review ™️
This is a perfectly objective rubric. Clearly this guy knows his stuff, and is aware of the critical components necessary for a masterpiece film.
Namely Haunter.
10/10 best review.
I think I would watch Detective Pikachu for the Bulbasaur scene alone. And I would probably react exactly the same.
Saw it last night, and straight up broke down crying in the cinema. Well worth it just for that scene
While I agree Haunter is extremely important, my own personal metric is weighted very heavily towards Cubone, and thus this is the greatest movie ever made.
My rubric:
Arcanine 5/5
Perfect film, passed with flying colors
clearly objective, but you need to talk for at least 4-5 hours on each of your criteria to make it truly capital o objective, just making objective points
He completed his objectives regardless.
My criteria:
Tyranitar: 0/5
I'm hoping they put one in the sequel
Is this a parody review? Because Dan's done a few of those now and I'm a little paranoid.
It is possible to approach something seriously and have a sense of humor about it
Strange, I know
it's parody of numbers as purely objective way of measuring goodness of media I guess. But the "it's a good movie, but needs more haunter" (paraphrased) is more or less genuine. Haunter's importance probably somewhat exaggerated for comedic effect
@@Feasco Thank you, wise Internet stranger.
I think that it's a parody of 'objective' reviews. Dan sets up a mathematical formula to rate the movie by, but then he places all of the weighting on Haunter which outweighs all of the other factors. So it's 'objectively' a bad movie based on the objectives that he's subjectively determined.
Did Haunter taking up 90 ° of the rating systems give it away.
This feels like a quality accidental takedown of "objective" media critique--how ultimately, adding a rubric still doesn't make your critique devoid of personal bias, because how you value certain elements of the rubric will always skew the review to your own biases.
I was seriously impressed by them pulling a live-action pokemon movie off. The CGI and character design teams deserve a ton of credit for making it work.
The noises you made about the Bulbasaur scene sold me on this movie more than all other reviews combined.
*Objective and Mathematical Analysis Intensifies*
this is a great lesson on how ill meaning people can botch the numbers to make any opinion "mathematically true", truly it will stand alongside the comedic informative greats such as spiders georg for the rest of time.
Can't believe Haunter tanked the pokemon movie business by being invisible the whole movie
Oh God I love this metatextual take on the demands for "objective" reviews! Well played sir, well played!
MABARI
I would say that Pokemon's kind of mundane premise lends itself well to adaptation. Pokemon's premise isn't one of plot; it's one of setting. The creators don't have to try to justify some kind of weird plot about a plumber and sometimes his brother who goes off to save a princess from a turtle man. They don't have to follow some epic chosen one story where the hero is forced to go through series of pretty perfunctory environments because those levels were in the game that's being adapted.
The Pokemon world is just our world with a bunch of cool monsters in it. The cool monsters get involved with the banal tasks of everyday life and make things more interesting just by association. Vulpix is a cool pet. Squirtle is a cool firefighter. Machamp is a cool construction worker. And so on.
The anime really taps into this, where basically every episode has the characters encountering normal people doing normal things that are made interesting by the interaction with Pokemon. The setup is really there to make *any* kind of adventure you can think of, and people would be completely open to it.
THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE AND THEY SPELL DISASTER FOR DETECTIVE PIKACHU
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Yeah, Det Pikachu/Pokemon is an outlier among video games movies. It already HAS movies every 2 years of so, albeit animated, and 20+ year old animated series.
It's like saying every WW2 movies are adaptation of Battlefield2.
I laughed when you said "we're being objective here, we're dealing with numbers". It was just perfect hahaha
Kotaro Watanabe voiced Mewtwo and he did an OUTSTANDING job.
You can judge any film's quality by its lack of Haunter really
I just love that Bulbasaur scene and I was so happy when you mentioned it!
"chirp chirp bulbasaur uwu" adorable and a mood (was that enough deplorable slang for one comment, lol)
this is how i feel about most of the 'youtube critics' nowadays. when they call themselves objective and lean on their criteria to justify that it's like... But Tony, You CHOSE To Do That
They gotta save haunter for the sequel, Dan
I was actually impressed by how well they kept to Pokemon canon. I don't want to spoil too much here, but the fact that this isn't Mewtwo's origin story all over again, but rather a continuation of Mewtwo's story is incredibly impressive. Mewtwo Strikes Back and, hell, the entire TV series is canon to this Detective Pikachu. As far as I'm concerned, Ash is wandering around the same world as Tim (part of me hopes that the Japanese man dressed in red in the Ryme City video at the start of the movie was, in fact, Ash).
7:57 when you did all the homework, participated in class, and all the extra credit but u bombed the final
I rate this video
Amy/5
Film criticism is complete, good job.
Folding Ideas continues to be the most underrated channel on CZcams. Quality review
Now, I haven't seen Detective Pikachu. BUT i like posting so I'll say this anyway:
I think something that's important for the development of video game movies, and probably for Detective Pikachu, is the fact that we are now in a phase where people involved in filmmaking are also literate in video game. This is simply by virtue of the passage of time -- more and more filmmakers are now millenials who grew up with games, and games are now an undeniable staple of the media landscape. While most video game movies of the past were essentially reverse-shovelware, I think we can reasonably expect future "video game movies" to be made by people who know and give a shit about the worlds their movies will draw from. People who know the difference between how games and movies build worlds and tell stories, and have enough knowledge of both forms to bridge the gap into something good. I hope I'm right because I'm still holding out for a fucking Halo movie
Anybody else getting flashbacks to the fakeout battle in Twilight between the Cullens and Volturi at the 5 minute mark of this?
I saw this movie on a first date.
I'm moving in with him next week.
it's going well?
You sounded exactly like my fiance will during the Bulbasaur scene. I'm calling it.
Your fiance will have a look of childlike glee on their face, as did mine when we saw the movie.
@@chibiktsn3 oh he did xD
My husband and I almost cried before the 10min mark. The worldbuilding and pokemons were simply perfect!
@@cinthiagoch the world building was perfect. It felt natural, it felt like it could be real
very objective thank u
I audibly gasped at the lack of haunter.
I now wonder if it's possible to review a movie using the fibonacci sequence
Haunted by the lack of haunter
I’m going tonight as a guinea pig for my D&D group. I’m super excited either way.
I really appreciate someone rating the feels from an objective standpoint, instead of just getting emotional like all these other so-called critics
This movie realistically prepared me to realistically evaluate this film a few hours ago realistically. Thank you for this realistic film review.
They actually had a scene explaining where Haunter was, but it was cut when the new Sonic design was announced.
the way you described the bulbasaurs is exactly how i felt
At the end of the movie everyone walking out of the theatre was saying “Where’s Haunter?” Hopefully Haunter gets his own solo movie
This was an impressively succinct and powerful send-up of the concept of maths/ statistics as objective.
I'm here for the bulbasaur enthusiasm. 💚
6:44 best part of the review 10/10
It didn't even occur to me that seeing Gardevoir was a possibility until you brought it up. So, thanks for shattering my blissful ignorance.
What score would it be if you change Hunter for Bulbersure??
The score would be 666, because that's just plain sacrilegious.
It may be because I'm kinda drunk at the moment, but I love this video very much
I do enjoy watching Dan talk about a thing he enjoyed. Shame it was objectively and numerically bad; I was considering going to see it. ;P
LoL when he said he was grading on Haunter I thought that was some sort of film jargon and had to look up the definition. Had to pause the vid like 5 times every time he said a pokemon name.
i really like this spoof and ~ironic review~ formula you’ve made, pompous “objective analysis” critiques have become more and more common and its cringey
The trailer alone had Mr Mime and Mewtwo, two of my Gen 1 favourites. I can excuse Haunter omission for those...
Okay but now I'm curious - what would you have done if Haunter *was* in the movie?
So I take it there isent a scene where ash dies and we watch all the pokemon cry and bring him back
0:08 just wondering if you are excited for the movie was it because you do/did play the games, watch the anime or is that based of the marketing?
All I have to say here is Team Rocket’s blasting off again.
I was literally just watching some of your video game movie videos and about to comment "now what do you think about Detective Pikachu??" so basically, I'm exactly your target audience
For my birthday I saw detective pikachu and then played skee ball with my parents and friends for two hours at a bar that serves little pizzas. It was a great birthday. 26/100.
What other movies, that you've talked about, have gotten more than a 0 in the haunter category?
I enjoy how Haunter is worth 30x to 40x any other given parameter
11:42 - "So I forgot to record a conclusion last night..."
I just about died laughing. You are a genius!
that a few hours later music had me in fight or flight
Most movies have a zero on the haunter scale and therefore score considerately worse overall. So Detective Pikachu is, in comparison, probably still one of the best movies you've ever seen.