Underarm, Tweener & Reverse: Every Type Of Tennis Serve!
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2023
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Kyrgios and Bublik do it, and it’s a travesty in the game. Murray does it and it’s brilliant.
I think people just like to hate Kyrgios but he does make the game more interesting. Same with Bublik, but to a lesser extent.
It's a travesty no matter who does it.
Lol you made this up.
They do it to themselves. I don't mind Bublik as much though he has a history of playing with a lack of heart, but Kyrigos has the worst sportsmanship I have seen in decades. Only Bernard Tomic gives him a run for his money.
@@Mzee1084 hmmmm
the players who complain about the underarm serve are always the most annoying
Agree
It's jsut like any other drop shot. If yu are standing too deep in the court,a not are not alert, they got ya.
I can see why they complain they have every right to complain it is kind of an act of unsportsmanlike conduct because it is unfair but every player should be ready for every thing so I agree
@@BunnyBoy223 It's unfair?? With that standard, then every shot that is unreturnable is "unfair"
@@BunnyBoy223 It doesn't favour anyone except the person who's better at it, just like any other shot.
Bublik and Kyrgios is 90% of this video😂
And none of them won a Grand Slam... curious, right?
Personally, I can't understand why some people blame players trying these kinds of plays. They just have to win the game, and there is no rules which ban those. Making tricks always has been part of sports.
Of course. It's a perfect answer to the players who return form ten feet behind the baseline, which is a relatively new strategy.
you have to understand that tennis has always had this weird tradition of 'gentlemanly/ladylike conduct' that goes beyond just the rules of the game. that's why you always apologise after a net cord, or signal to the opponent that you're using new balls etc. No rule, just etiquette. that's why McEnroe was such a controversial figure; he acted exactly like pros do in other sports, shouting, yelling, having arguments with the umpire etc. You just DIDN'T do that before he came along. It was rude. Now we're seeing a shift of the same kind RE: serving. Underarm has always been legal but you just didn't do it. Now players are starting to see no problem with it
@@rosePetrichor Unterarm was actually normal back in 1890.
@@molybdaenmornell123hopp5 Yeah, right at the very beginning of the sport when it was played by lords and ladies on the lawn lol. nobody had figured out how to serve overarm then
@@rosePetrichor so historically, underarm is more gentleman/lady-like then?
At the beggining everybody was against the underarm serve. But Murray gave the right point about it. In an era where people are standing so far back behind the baseline, what would have been a foolish excentricity in past ages, it has become a powerful countertactic.
The popularization of the underarm serve is a sign of the times.
I love how the ATP bridges the times during Grand Slam tournaments due to the fact that they are not part of the tour. 😉
10:57 this Cressy serve is totally 💯 insane
When Murray did the underarm it's like people are confused because usually it's booed or whistled, but Bublik got booed for it
Im dreaming of a Kyrgios vs Bublik game. That would be wild.
They played in Miami 2019. Did not disappoint
They paired doubles in Stuttgart 2022.
6:31 Rosols thinking process it’s just nuts. “Ok, so I lost 1st set 6-0; now 2nd set I’m a break up, can confirm my serve…yeah, time for the inverted serve”.
He’s up 40-0
if he can put the threat of the inverted serve in the other guy's head, it will pay dividends. 40-0 is the best time to do it.
big facts @@joemarshall4226
The Cressy serve was the best
Yes
bublik doing that on match point is wild
Musseti also did on match point.
Here’s a tutorial video on the reverse/pancake grip serve: czcams.com/video/LoYnvXzRdEw/video.html
Very interesting! Thank you for the upload
Bublik's underarm is technically the best, hitting the ball low and with side spin. The goal is to double bounce it before the service line. Easier on clay and synth grass, hard court it's not that effective.
I legitimately think the underarm serve is a criminally unexplored space. I'd consider most of the ones in this video "sloppy".
I think it can be optimized so that with only a very minor wrist movement one could serve a ball with their choice of either heavy top or back spin. Even myself in my profound mediocrity can occasionally get one to have its second bounce land within the service box, but I think pros could do that consistently.
And because of the ability to choose top and side spin, it'd be almost impossible to know if the serve was going to drop dead from back spin or slice hard to the side.
Between the potential for optimization, variation, and the fact that opponents still expect a hard, traditional serve, I firmly believe the underarm could be developed to the point where top players could use it 20 to 25% of the time.
to be honest, the only problem with an underarm serve is when it gets *predictable*
i think for a pro player who's going to serve, the worst thing you would want to have is to immediately give the point's advantage to your opponent, and if the underarm serve isn't placed in a good spot or is too predictable, the receiver could just hit an easy winner or a tough shot for the server to get back
also, as much as i dislike the sort of stigma the underarm gets, it is sort of a nasty 'underhanded' move against opponents, especially if you're up with an advantage in points
otherwise, i think an undearm serve isn't necessarily worth perfecting, and i'm sure there are player who prolly can utilise it very well. but as a secondary weapon to your first serve as opposed to just developing a better second serve? idk
I was at the Kyrgios match when he did the tweener serve in Atlanta. Even got it on video! Couldn’t believe it as I’d never even seen this on tour before, let alone in person! (July 2021)
underarm serves are a must for tennis.
those who complain are the ones standing 20 yards behind baseline trying to give selves all the time and space to adjust and hit a soft return.
I love the reverse serve. I've tried it myself a couple of times. Very hard to hit, much less to hit it well... But, very effective...
The penultimate serve in the video by Cressy was amazing. I will go now to the court to practice it.
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We are seeing players stand a ridiculous distance away from the baseline these days to return serve. When that happens, players should threaten underhand serves OFTEN. It's a valid play and not "underhanded" at all.
You should do a video just on the reverse serve. And about using what grip etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reverse serve becomes a standard weapon for a lot of players...like the screwabll or cut fastball are in baseball for pitchers. Why not? Just the threat of it has to inhibit the returner's game....
Been using that one ocassionally, really hard to get it, even harder to give it a decent power. Actually didn't know some players were using it too, just thought of it as another potential weapon, since I like having as many options as possible. If you can add it to your bag of tricks, it's great, but maybe not worth the time commitment to get it to a functional level unless you have a really good feel with it quickly.
@@AxelSG I agree. It's tough, but it's doable. Most pitchers don't have a screwball, either. But the ones who do are often very successful because of it.
@@AxelSG The trouble is that it can really mess up your elbow if you overdo it.
Look up "pancake serve" here on CZcams
Tiafoe from 8:15 made me so happy :D
That Medvedev underarm fake was brilliant😂😂
Would have been nice to include some crazy kick serves like maybe from Opelka or Shapo, and same crazy slice, maybe from Mannarino.
For players who think the underarm serve lacks tennis etiquette, do they think drop shots do as well? They're very similar to each other.
While I do consider underarm serve as a completely fair play, I cannot say the same about the underarm fake. It deceives the opponent that you’re beginning the rally and meantime you hold it and serve normally when they’re not longer ready. Cannot believe there’s no rule about that. In badminton for example it is considered a fault, so called “double action”
Why would deceiving your opponent be somehow not fair play? That's the logic of a seven year old. "Hey you didn't do what I thought you would do, no fair!"
I agree, I see it similar to baseball (balking)
I agree but on the other hand, the returner can avoid the trap by running into the court as Edmund did. The server can't complain about the returner not being ready in that case, because he faked him into it. Eventually it ruins the server's rhythm more than anything else.
A genuine underarm definitely has its place in a world of returners like Nadal, who dodge serve bullets by standing between the linesmen and the ball kids.
I think that the underarm serve should most definitely be in tennis. When you stand as far back as Medvedev does on some returns, it makes sense to underarm serve. The only time I think it is not fair is when the fake happens on top of it.
The underarm serve is simply a way to keep people from stand so far behind the baseline when receiving serve. If I were playing against Nadal, I'd serve underarm every 2 or 3 serves to keep him honest. If anything, people should be booed for standing too far behind the baseline in the first place.
kyrgios actually flashed an interesting concept which would be mixing up timing serves with the underhand fake. fake the underhand to pull your opponent into the court, and then hit them with the roddick quick.
start the set off serving big, then once they've moved back to try and have time to react to your big serves, hit them with underhands, now once they're back, and will have to commit to running up to the underhand serve do the fake underhand-quick and you just completely destroy the ability to react to your serve so they have to commit to playing rock paper scissors
so funny, when Kyrgios did the underarm serves everyone booed him and he was hated.
when murray did it: "Brilliant form Murray!!!!"
@10:00 What does regulation overarm mean? I don't understand
Who was that commentator at 7:36
Lmao 😂
Underarm ace vs future #1 was so dirty
4:25 I’m confused, why is bublik serving ad side when it’s 8-8
And he lost the point the and he still was given the point?????? Weird lmao
I feel like there are a lot more varieties and nuances in serves than in this video. T, out wide, body serve, sweeping slice, late action slice (in baseball this is called a cutter), flat serves with high bounce/low bounce/english, kick serve out wide, kick serve over the head. That's just on the ball movement. If you are including the service motion you can also distinguish between the classic fed/novak style, roddick/kyrgios shortened style, and let's not forget the lefty slice out wide.... This can be like a 3 part series imo
Bublik and Kyr everywhere 😂❤
what is the "regulation overarm serve"?
You know, I think that's just a regular serve! :)
This compilation can be even better with Bahrami’s serve tricks:
czcams.com/video/7efzoSQoN54/video.html
(check the last serve)
Is number 5 the normal serve or I'm missing something?
I’m sure people in the early 1900s booed when a pitcher didn’t throw a straight ball. Or a hitter had the nerve to hit one over the outfield fence. The nerve. 😒
I love how they always use Kyrgios as subject for the underarm serve.
You can't make a video about unusual/trick serves and not include Mansour Bahrami (e.g., the five ball serve). And then there's also the serve aimed straight at the net player in doubles that seems to be allowed (see Ostapenko/Kudermetova vs. Cornet/Martic).
It's same situation with Flick serve in Badminton. Back then many badminton players protested because it was different from normal service and always faked the opponent. It's getting very popular when Indonesian Men Double no 1 player always uses it, and the opponent was furious.
But now everyone uses the same technique in any BWF matches
When players make absolutely no effort to return an underarm serve and just stand there and complain, they just look so childish.
Tennis needs variety and any type of serve is legal. You have to be prepared. Murray even called it, saying is legal. Forget about etiquette, which is a bull. Tennis needs also to create some more entertainment. Nastase, the bad boy was loved for variety not obviously his antiques. Bahrami brings tons of entertainment.
I hit every serve in the book ,and reverse or Hawaiian. I taught it to several students with great results. Also the underhand topspin is a must(if you have shoulder issues). Twist underhand is also v efficient how you see it, but even in doubles. I made the guy at the net to run outside the court on the ad side to allow the returner get the serve. Also I can serve , righty and lefty (getting better on twist lefty too). Kick serve , top spin slice etc. Michael Chang , won RG bc he throw an underhand serve to Lendl , that really made Lendl angry. I see tennis not only as a sport but also an art. Having creativity and learning how to use it an asset. I didn't even talk about the drop shots but I love to do the craziest spins ...game on !
I agree. Although Lendl wasn't angry at the serve. Ivan came in and made a decent approach shot on it, What annoyed Lendl is that Michael's passing shot clipped the net, so Ivan missed the volley. Michael did not apologize, but it was not standard protocol to apologize back then. I used all these serve in tournaments. If I got down 0-40, I'd walk out to the single's sideline on the ad side and serve underhanded with a lot of sidespin into the ad court, then quickly move to the middle. A lot of times, the opponent would try a cross court drop, but it would go wide, because the spin gave the ball more carry than they anticipated. Another trick was to hit a change-up serve...big wind up, but tap the ball....into the ad court, and run in behind it very quickly, looking for a volley. the returner would often mis-read the speed, but the try to over-compensate by hitting a hard angled passing shot off a ball with no pace.....not easy....they would have been better to just massage the ball right at me or down the line...but the bluff often worked. When you do these things, it messes with their heads, and they will often make an easy mistake or two on the next couple of shots.
Kyrgios is the OG. Remember how people are complaining about it initially. Now everyone is doing it.
Murray's underarm serve was so unexpected
I don't get number 5, the "regulation overarm". Are they just waiting a little longer to hit it?
they hit it like a smash, the movement is just different from a regular serve
You forgot Chang vs Lendl … the most famous one in Rolland Garros.
We need to see more of this against players who stand 10 feet behind the baseline to return serve. It only makes sense.
Needs to be used more
A sport won't grow and evolve if we frown upon the creativity of the players, especially the young ones who's less constrained by older biases. I remember years ago when the young kids coming up to the National Hockey League did these cheeky goals when they carried the puck on their stick and looped around the back of the net and whipped it in, or the between the leg wrist shot goals. There were people shouting about how it was "disrespectful" and it's "showboating". But it's that swagger and highly imaginative play that draws the crowd who's probably seen every shots from every angles possible already.
Absolute CZcams moment
So its ok to serve at over 130mph ace so his opponent cant return it yet people boo this serve for the same outcome. Well done Nick for introducing it.
3:50 kyrgios playing pickleball
Bublik's neck beard is a wonder of the world
Michael Chang employed an underhanded serve against Ivan Lendl when he was just 17 years old, but he never used it again. It's unclear why he chose not to use it in subsequent matches. Any one?
where's Bahrami forbidden technique of the first ball fake over, second under? That's the most powerful in all sports.
underarm is my 2nd serve 😅
Still waiting to see backhand serve
I'll never understand the hate of the underarm serve.
10:46 That is just absurd...
No 5 seems like a very rare type of serve. The least common one.
What I find unfair about the underarm serve is that usually players try to fool their opponents bouncing the ball and then suddenly hit the underarm serve while the reciever is expecting a longer motion.
It's not very different from disguising a drop shot during a rally.
The problem with underarm serve is players are doing it all of sudden when opponent is not ready
The receiver must play at the server's pace
Would've included some Opelka's!
always bublik bro 😭😭
10:55
why thiem being aced like anything in this video lolol
The underarm serve: if you succeed, everyone thinks you're cheating, if you fail, everyone thinks you've had a stroke
Sacanagem hahaha
I don't understand why Kyrgios hits so many underarm serves. I fully support the shot in general, but his is terrible. It isn't very short and barely has any sidespin lol.
I still dont understand reverse serve even watching here... can anyone explain how it works_
bruh its so ez , i did b4 i knew it existed u just do a slice and hit with the other side the raquet and revrse motion as the slice
in slice u swing the racquet outwards , in this at the end the head has to go towards the body plane
The "reverse" is just what we used to call "twist" serve that spin the serve in a direction opposite to a slice.
kyrgios is the best at all of them
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Nice collection. Please, avoid russian commentary in future. Thank you!
at 04:05 may be some LESS successful than others, not MORE
How incredible is Djokovic's serve?
Pretty mediocre
@@MistahhMingus he has developed his serve to be one of the best on the tour,
To prevent an underarm serve being so sudden and causing irritation, you could make a rule somewhat similar to table tennis. There you need to throw the ball into the air a certain height before serving. So let's say you need to throw the ball into the air at least above your head.. simple enough for a normal serve. But if you want to make an underhand serve.. although it's technically still possible, it wouldn't be as effective. It takes away the element of surprise.
Sinceramente no comparto la opinión de aquellos que se molestan por esta clase de tiros, hacen más entretenido de ver y cumple con las reglas
I think it's cool, livens up the game, let's normalize it.
Agree. It’s just a drop shot of a serve.
whoever laments bc of an underarm serve hasnt really understood the mechanics of tennis.
A bit dissapointed Tennis TV. Gimmicky clips are cool, but I would have loved a compilation of all the types of serves (kick, slice, flat etc. on both ad and deuce sides). I think this is a great idea, especially also in order for people who dont know the sport that well yet, to learn a bit more about Tennis. (I think there are way to little videos like that).
Underarm serves are cool, the problem lies in the lack of rules about it, you sholdn't be allowed to fake it just like you can't with a normal serve.
I disagree. Faking is fine. There's even a serve where you swing and miss on purpose, then bunt the ball over the net underhanded, just before it hits the ground.
Yeah, i think bahrami did this 👍🏼
I hate the underarm serve for 2 reasons.
First - servers don't need an additional advantage in tennis! Returners have a hard enough time returning serves to begin with.
Second - it's hit during a time when the returner is not expecting it and the returner's attention is disrupted having to continue to look for it for the rest of the match. Would you throw a punch at a guy who wasn't expecting it and be proud that you knocked him out? Seems like a total coward's play to me...
The FAKE underarm serve is even worse if they fake and then immediately follow with a regular serve. It's just trying to confuse the returner's timing and attention, no different than calling out during a point that interferes with the opponent's opportunity to hit his shot. It should be handled similar to a BALK in baseball...
"it's hit during a time when the returner is not expecting it"
That's the entire point... Do you not understand why someone would do a dropshot as well?
If a player doesn't expect underarms serves, maybe they should learn to because it's a completely normal and fair tactic to stop playing from sitting 5m behind the baseline.
First
so?
@@afifanuar749 deez nats
Someone needs to tell that dude to shave under his chin. I swear I don't think he knows how bad it looks down there. It's making me itch
It is in the rules quit moaning 😑.
8:31 the fake underarm serve, is it disrespectful to your opponent?
Why don’t they all just wear dresses and drink tea together?
These commentators are a bunch of pansies
Makes a video about different types of serve, spends half of it showing underarm serves, doesn't mention kickserve.
because a kick serve is a regular serve. not worth mentioning
Doing it on match point is a douchebag move, especially when the score isn't close, otherwise it's fine
It's never a douchebag move to use a completely legit and fair tactic to win a point. Especially in a game like tennis where the game isn't over until it's over.
The under-arm serve should be banned from the game. It has always been considered the height of poor sportsmanship!
Underarm serve should not exist for one simple reason. During a normal serve, people can throw the ball in the air and stop themselves from serving. So this means that the receiver has to be mentally prepared approximately when the ball is thrown. Underarm serve cut that. Basically the guy serves when he's just boubcing the ball. So yeah, you should punish someone standing to far from the line, but the movement to serve should always be the same : You serve with the ball over your head. And if it's not banned, at least ban the fake. This shit shows no sportsmanship at all.
Just imagine if someone like Djoko was doing it. During a normal serve he's taking almost the full 25sec to serve. During last FO, you could see Ruud looking elsewhere when Djoko was doing he's routine pre-serve. If that kind of tennisman starts serving underarm, that's an unfair advantage, when the serve itself is already an advantage enough.
"So this means that the receiver has to be mentally prepared approximately when the ball is thrown."
So what? You never actually gave a proper argument against faking an underarm serve.
"that's an unfair advantage..." Thanks for showing that you don't understand what the word "unfair" means. It's not unfair if both players can do it.