HOTD S2 - Episode 6: Is the Outrage Justified?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- A Review of House of the Dragon Season 2 episode 6: Small Folk where I dive into the most controversial scene in the show of Rhaenyra kissing Mysaria. Along with reviewing the overall writing and why the show is still pretty good.
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Daemon just tripping on shrooms in a hotel the entire season
at least the show is giving him something to do. in the books, he’s literally chilling there for a year till his battle with Aemon.
@@ideozublake8036 That's not true at all. He flies with Rhaenyra to King's Landing to take the capital once Criston and Aemond leave. He also leaves Harrenhal to siege Stone Hedge while the Bracken's were fighting at the Battle of the Burning Mill. All of this is before his battle with Aemond.
@@pobiakc4 I'm thinking he will ditch Harrenhal and fly to Kings Landing with Rhaenyra in the finale.
Simon & Alys are great additions!
AND that has NOTHING to do with screenwriters messing-up again!!! 🤣
The best moment in this episode was Larys being like “omg what an honour it would be to serve as your Hand”, and Aemond slapping him down like “no you idiot, I just want you to send a raven to my grandfather, do you think you can handle that?”
I felt bad for Larys. He didn't deserve such a burn. Not from a cuck that couldn't even laugh off getting caught in a brothel with his first ever hooker.
"You toad" 😂
For me it was Alys telling Daemon to PARK IT and then Grover was announced dead lol. Daemon learned that even dragons need help sometimes.
@@Dknight2818 lmao i laughed so hard when he said that. His delivery of the line really makes it.
Idk if Larys knew he would say that and he’s acting like a fool so he gets underestimated, or if he actually thought he could play Aemond like that…it’s hard to tell sometimes
I keep watching these episodes and being like "oh wow that was great, i love this show" and then days later finding out online everyone hates it
Fr tik tok is ruining public perception of shows like this one it’s sad
Because it’s slow and not at all worth the wait
It's really strange isn't it. There are some minor things that could have been better, but I love this series. I planned to watch the first episode sarcastically two years ago because I was completely convinced they'd f*ck it up like they did GOT but it's amazing. The acting, the cinematography, the dialogue: it's all top notch. I still think the whole Viserys throne room walk scene from Season One is the best acted and directed scene in the whole series (including GOT). Every actor in HOTD is absolutely top notch, and luckily they are getting the right dialogue to shine.
literally. this was one of my favorite episodes this season.. the GoT fanbase sucks.
I think people still have PTSD after how GOT ended, so they're extra sensitive to any less-than-stellar writing.
I feel the show is really missing Aegon’s energy, Tom Glynn-Carney was so much fun to watch..
Ya he was easily the most entertaining character for me. I would’ve forgave the writers if they deviated from the book and forwent aegon’s injuries (or at least delayed them) since the actor was so good. He was like a likeable Joffrey lmao. Still pretty evil tho
@@GamerGuy-nd4ixyou nailed it. He’s horrible but the most fun to watch. I’m watching HOD like Succession. There are no real good guys to root for, so just enjoy the dramadramadrama.
@@GamerGuy-nd4ix idk if would say he's evil, just immature. He wanted to help out common folk before Otto told him not to
@@ryankelly7070 You know, that's a good point. He is certainly not a good person, but he's also no Joffrey. His gut instinct was to just give people what they want, although his decisions revealed his ignorance of the big picture. He is very, very cruel to Aemond though.
I think season 2 is bad, but you guys just convinced me to appreciate Aegon more.
@@ryankelly7070 Raping is pretty evil.
'Not as bad as GOT S8' is a low bar.
Yes but it’s actually recognisably better not just ‘not as bad’
@@sabershikik9351HotD season 2 isn't better 🤣
We have the same plotholes here...
@@sabershikik9351 it’s actually exactly the quality of Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
That season seemed bad, compared to the first seasons of GoT, but had all the serie been built with the logic of season 8, we wouldnt have found it so terrible.
Well thats why HBO decided to take all the thing we hated in S8 and put it since the start of HoD, so we couldnt complain about how much better things were before
I personally think it kinda is. But not for the kiss scene. Tho I do think Mysaria x Rhaenyra scene is as useless as Alicole. But the real concern is how they're messing up dragon lore.
I would drop ascene in mind why this is very close to that level. When the queen Rhaenyra goes to kings landing after they assassinated the granddaughter of Alicent. (They should be on very high alert, but looks like no... ) Imagine the same in GOT .... You already feel how stupid this is, not even talking about how fast everyone travels... Rhaenyra her son, Alicent lost her granddaughter and they talk like that...?! AND if Alicent captures Rhaenyra in that moment, they probably win the war and very peacefully... That scene... Just fucked with my mind... This is not even bad, they could have talked, but the whole way they made it happen is just leaves a lot to be desired...
Showing the lannister army with the rains of castamere melody is the fanservice im watching for
That was cool, even though the song doesn't technically exist yet in universe.
A true fan isn’t serviced by a song that shouldn’t be first played for almost 200 years
@@Trashpanda887y lol right? tywin isn't even a spec of dust in the cosmos yet
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist and people wonder why the writers are being made fun of, hey let’s throw a song in that only true fans will recognize,……..but sir that song is made 187 years from now. Ehhhhhhh who cares RED WEDDING NOSTALGIA
@@Trashpanda887y They didnt sing it tho?
The pace of this season is foreshadowing the pace of the season 3 production 😭🙏
😭😭😭
We’re going to be waiting forever
They haven’t even started shooting season 3 😂😂😂
@@FlexSZN23 are you serious?
@@dr.dork7560well it’s confirmed we’re getting s3 in two years time which to me just sucks, at least we’re getting dunk and egg next year
Unless Seasmoke is restlessness because he found Laenor dead, which is why he went to find a new dragon rider.
I think that’s implied
has any dragon done that before? Look for a Rider?
@@vishwajeetpanwar3271whether it has or not, I kind of just took this as Seasmoke’s personality. Kind of like how Sunfyre is characterized to just adore Aegon, maybe Seasmoke is a more just sociable dragon and is missing his bond
Is laenor dead or just faked his death?
Laenor most likely died offscreen at some point alot of time has passed
Somehow the scene quality and depth of Greens feels way better than Blacks side.
Because they are actual characters.
They are deeper, flawed, compelling, INTERESTING. On the other side, we have Daemon (I still like his Harrenhal scenes) and the Sea Snake, but yeah definitely the "good guys" label doesn't work in their favor.
The blacks are just portrayed as good guys so they're boring and bland characters.
Whereas the Greens have flaws, it's backfired on the showrunners as the wanted everyone to hate the greens.
Probably because rhaenyras arc this season is basically as boring as daemons lol, but I still love the show, just think some aspects could be better. I don't mind slow scenes but with good dialogue, which is why I enjoy the greens more as of now. Aegon, Aemond, and Alicent specifically. Otto and Larys have been good too
I think a lot of people havnt even interpreted the Daemon visions correctly, like this last episode was the MOST growth we have ever seen from him, Daemon finally learns he should have been there for his brother when he needed him, Daemon comes out of that vision and for the first time in his life he is able to ASK for help
Yes!!! Finally someone noticed. It seems to me that as soon as people see Daemon in another hallucination scene they tune out and get annoyed instead of actually paying attention to what happens.
I haven't read the book, but I feel like Daemon underwent a hugely important development over the last episodes that will influence his behaviour going forward..
Yes! This episode was Daemon choosing family over pride & finally being able to face his biggest regrets in that conflict. All of his visions were building to facing Viserys.
fucking yes. it's like actual genuine growth is happening for the first time for the biggest characters in this series and people are too obsessed with "but where's my plot development guys why does daemon keep sitting at the fort" LIKE PAY ATTENTION PLEASE BRO
ngl, i missed this subtle growth too, until i watched a bunch of reaction vids. youtube creators are doing a great service helping us normies catch stuff.
i never disliked the daemon trips and found them very intriguing, especially when larys straight up acknowledges this was part of his plot to "drive daemon crazy". which also means that it is backfiring, since daemon is apparently growing emotionally from this, plus he's apparently getting a nice little alliance with alys.
bottom line: don't be too taken in by ADHD takes on social media!
Yes! I was like 😲😲😲 when he actually hugged Visarys. That's just so amazing in terms of character growth for Daemon. And people go like "these dreams don't do anything"... What??
@4:55 Addam sees Seasmoke in episode 2. Maybe Seasmoke was already checking him out. The failed bonding with Darklyn could've triggered him to go seek out that dude he saw on the beach. He even flies overhead first and sorta turns his head like "there you are!".
Yes! He knew where to find Addam not because of a "magical bond", but because he literally has seen him at the beach before lol
@@micaelemagalhaes9274Seasmoke is a stalker confirmed😂
@@OzanaDivine He is not the stepdad but the dad who stepped up
When I saw the first potential rider was a white man I thought "ah shit he gon' die"
@@likeabigboiii6324 lmao same
So we started the episode where kings landing was mildly upset. The idea of dragonseeds was still a theory. Daemon was stuck at harrenhall, aemond was just a stand in.
Now were at a point thwere we have a new dragon rider, kingslanding is basically in full rebellion, daemon effecivly has full control of the riverlands, with the lannister army marching on them, aemond is effectively the full king of westeros. Rhaenyras got a new full advisor
I dont really get how thats "slow" for the oldschool game of thrones
Mysaria was already Rhaenyra's advisor, otherwise correct
@@marken816he is talking about lord corlys
There is a bit more:
The hightowers seem to be missing and likely being stalled in The Reach. We learn there is a wild dragon in the Vale. We see Larys starting to plot against Aemond after pushing his luck. Alicent is fired(though her power was already almost nothing). We learn about Daeron second-hand. We get confirmation of Corlys having bastards and both get into an important position(well, seemingly). We see Aemond's despoticism. We see Daemon starting to crack
Its actually kind of ridicullous how people ONLY care about action. All this buildup is what enhances the action. If we just got action set pieces then we wouldnt care about these characters.
@@phobics9498lmao there is so much going on but because people arent fighting then people dont like it
Short answer: no, not really.
Long answer: I think the only part of the sapphic kiss scene that made me uncomfortable was the fact that it immediately followed a conversation about parental abuse, but it was more of a “I don’t know if this is 100% healthy for them in this situation” kind of discomfort. Then again, most of the characters in House of the Dragon are messed up in all sorts of ways, so the kiss scene was not super out of left field for me. It CERTAINLY doesn’t make the episode worse
Apparently the kiss wasn't scripted. It did feel a bit out of place..
When Rae went to hug miss worm it felt nice and warm then they started kissing I slammed the table and was like what? Liked the episode more than the last one overall but since it was at the end it left a sour taste and made me cancell MAX.
people are just homophobes....we live in these times right now , those stupid people ofcourse dont realize that Rhaenyra has lowkey something with Laena in the books and they already cut that out...why not mysaria then? But I guess thats " woke s*it " :D:D:D they also dont realize that ASOIAF world is full of gay characters and George is a liberal himself :D I just feel like if you dont like then you are watching the worng show and its not meant for you then probably...Im just saying that because all the critisism that I have seen has been " oooh some woke sh*it again" , " go woke go broke I stoip watching now" , " women kissing ewwww"
Yeah, but then again these are Targaryens so the threshold for "healthy sexual relationship" is a little twisted.
@@joelthomson8697 source?
Rhaenyra: *Acts like an incompetent lunatic this entire season*
Rhaenyras council: *Treats her like an incompetent lunatic*
Rhaenyra: 😮
Not like the council itself any better... They are like NPCs. I don't even know anyone names, while in GOT you kinda know them.
Rhaenyra knowing Leanor was still alive unless proper confirmation given to her he was dead and risking Ser Steffons life with seasmoke of all dragons has to be a plot hole
omg so true actually, this is what happens when you cut important stuff (make someone dead/alive), I wonder what plot holes will cutting Nettles cause
Well, making terrible decisions is on-character for Rhaenyra so I don't really see a plot hole.
I mean, would you really consider it a plot hole? I don't see why Rhaenyra would think about Seasmoke and him being stil Laenor. Laenor isn't here quite a long time, didn't ride Seasmoke, so why would you guess they still have bond? I would just think that they lost their connection at this point and that we can find another rider to bond with Seasmoke as he is useless without a rider.
Ser Steffon was also a long shot and desperate move, hoping he will have strong blood to tame a dragon for himself. I would guess that Rhaenyra could have flew herself to see Seasmoke to check if maybe it isn't just Laenor who is back as the rider is unknown. I doubt she will first thing that someone just tamed it.
@@ozyrysozi6186she is a targeryan, this is the kind of simple stuff they would know about. But the show kinda forgot about the life long lasting bound between dragon and rider, this is why changes to the source material should not be done unless the writters have a clear idea of what they are doing and not just making up things as they go
@@ikram-258 Sure there are few problems, but - I'm not sure that Targaryens understood dragonriding that much at this point and general in history, sure they knew their blood allowed them to tame dragons and some of Targaryens even knew how to hatch dragons.
Second - I mean, bond between Seasmoke and Laenor could be lifelong. Laenor could be dead before Ser Steffon tried or could died after Steffon try. In series we don't know if Laenor is still alive. That's why I point out that maybe Rhaenyra flew to most probably see Seasmoke and his rider - becouse she is surprised and want to see a rider, but also part of her might be curious if Laenor is back.
And last thing - they are aware that a dragon can reject a rider or you need skill to tame a dragon - Rhaena situation - she has strong dragorider blood (from Daemon and Laena - who was daughter of Rhaenys) and yet she was also rejected and nearly killed. Steffon was huge gambit and they were aware of it, but they can't know if that won't work as they don't understand that dragon-rider bond that much (if they knew, they would know that Steffon probably has too thin blood, which can be a lie and he was not suited for Seasmoke, Laenor could be still alive. Maybe Steffon could tame for example younger dragon and groom it).
I feel the show is really missing Aegon’s energy, Tom Glynn-Carney was so much fun to watch.
I think the scenes with the greens are always fun to watch. Anything involving the council, Alicent, Aemond, Cole, etc. is usually good.
The scenes with the blacks are where the show feels like it’s dragging, I think that’s because the only big characters on the black side now are Rhaenyra and Daemon and they aren’t really doing anything. Rhanerya’s small council feels very underdeveloped to me, none of them are very interesting.
I love him
@@donovan4222 This is why I like the greens more. Not because I support Aegon as the rightful heir, I as a viewer couldn't care less, but because they bring the drama.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 They definitely should of given us some more notable characters on rhanerya’s council, Mysaria is the only one who does anything
Him and Otto have both been missing the last two episodes and it’s really starting to show how much those two carried this show and the pacing. Never a dull moment with either of those characters around.
I think the new episode is good, definitely better than episode 5.
I just have 2 problems: Rhaenyra isn't grey in the show, she's way too honorable and pacifistic, and season 2 has only 8 episodes, so I always feel frustrated when a plotline has no development
Well in the book she's also portrayed as an absolute vilain because yknow, maesters wrote it?
Plus the point isn't so much the will to be pacifist, as to cling that one mission her father gave her, if anything she's way too much life Viserys, to a fault.
Wouldnt that make her a better character if she was a little more grey ?@@abynighteater5670
I’m betting that Mysaria will die at the end of this season, setting off Rhaenyra
she literally just sacrificed one of her people to the dragon, slapped another and cheated on her husband, so no, not honorable and pacifistic.
If Rhaenyra is the baby jesus how will Daemon's character arc conclude? If she doesnt do a certain thing how does he do that epic thing? I have a feeling that bit will suck compared to the book. Good episode though. @@abynighteater5670
That shot of Aemond crunching up Jason Lannister's letter was so cool. Also Seasmoke is the ultimate troll.
That's a meme right there.
Not the letter crushing but hissing "He dares to summen me" felt a bit anime-ish, and silly.
i despised that shot, the director really thought he was doing something there lol.
i am also struggling to take aemond so seriously, im not entirely sold on his cool swagger. but maybe thats exactly the point of his character and the actor has been told to play it so
yall are so bitter it's sad
@@nurrr2041Aemond is a one eyed teenager who has a fucking sapphire to replace the eye he lost and is mewing all the time, how is that not the description of an anime villain
Here's a fun fact to the outraged. Cersei slept with a woman as well in the books. Because she was lonely and felt like it. Because people are complicated and that's what ASOIAF is all about. Not magic and fantasy but real people in a fictional setting. This whole thing is ridiculous. Everytime there's a homosexual moment in a show a small and loud faction online starts making noise. Clearly most of them are from the USA
Exactly. I saw one dude ranting about "Hollywood is pushing the gay shit down our throats" when in fact, about 4 characters in the whole GoT universe have gay scenes when in real life about 10% of people are LGBT. So 4 out of hundreds of characters is still quite conservative
Not the same thing.
@@caedus6525ah yes of course. It's not like there would've been this kind of whining if Cersei did it in game of thrones😂
The kiss scene shouldn't be even there, but it doesn't matter. The true problem is, that it's the season of helpless people: literally nobody knows what to do and everyone just keep walking in circles: Daemon, Rhaenyra, team Aegon...
I mean, Team Green seems to pretty much advance a war, while team Black is between rock and a hard place. I have many problems with Daemon, but I see how many people would feel helpless - sure Alicent and Rhaenyra are maybe played as too good, showing their weakness. Especially as Rhaenyra is pretty much as weak as a ruler as her father - Viserys. Alicent though feels really strange for me, but I'm curious where it will go.
Exactly right. Everything feels like they're stalling for something but it seems like it's for nothing. The tension and climax beats are all bad this season. Also part of this season has way more retcons which irritates a lot of people including me.
why shouldn't it be there?
@@babyblue3717 George R.R. Martin didn't write it, showrunners didn't want that, the audience didn't asked for that, Emma D'Arcy just improvized. And they shouldn't allow it, because romantic relation building between Rhaenyra and Mysaria wasn't exactly showed through the season, thus it look forced now.
Nah, the true problem is a show that already decided to shoehorn black people into a super-white super-blond Targaryen empire is now trying to go even blacker, which is why Baela (who is WHITE in the books) is somehow 100% black despite having a half-white mom and 100% white dad (which is not how genetics work), then writing in two extremely dark-skinned bastard kids of Corlys (who is WHITE in the books), then having one of them be hunted down and bonded to a dragon that had just incinerated that stupid white guy who obviously wasn't good enough.
So now we have two black dragon riders with increasingly prominent roles, and at least two more potential/probable black dragon riders on deck. Again, in an empire that was 100% white in the books. I can already see where this is going. House Black (in more ways than one) against House Green is clearly being set up as more than just a fight for the throne.
There's just no getting away from the Woke Era at this point. It has corrupted EVERYTHING. Gotta hit that POC quota, right guys? Even shows about Vikings have black actors replacing white historical figures now.
I think that having read Fire and Blood adds considerable appreciation for the “slow” episodes because we know what’s coming and how crazy it will be. Even when it’s slow, the tension is so high.
I think it also has the opposite effect for some people as they read the book, rmember all the major battles and stuff talked about in the books, spend weeks talking about these major battles/events, get bored waiting for them, the battle happens then either it matches their understanding of the book where they complain that it was predictable or they do things different where they then complain about changing the source material
I would love the slow pace if it wasn't a season with measly 8 episodes.
@@zenmonk5403again it’s because they can’t afford any more episodes. It really sucks the episodes cost so much to produce. It would’ve been great if they had 10. Hopefully they’ll get a bigger budget for next season so we can have the big battles as well as a full 10 episodes
having read Fire and Blood takes me out of the series because of how poorly it's handled..
To me the pace isnt necessarily the problem. Its the writing and the way the characters change for no real reason. Aemond has become comically evil and Rhyneara has become saint like. Season 1 and the start of season 2 were much better in my opinion. The seasmoke dragon finding a random bastard valryon was dumb and im gonna hate when the girl in the vale rides one. And i dont hate the kiss because its a gay kiss. I could care less. I hate the kiss because it was forced, made no sense and they have no chemistry whatsoever.
Aemomd was a scene stealer in this episode
Aemond was a scene stealer in this show
The two actor were amazing
I'm all in on Aemond winning the war and being king after the frequent developments in House "Black," a name which seems to be less and less about the queen with each episode. But I'm 100% sure they won't have the Greens winning, given the demographics of both sides and the fact that this show is being made in the 2020s. I've seen this pattern before..
When isn't he?
Did people forget what Game of Thrones is like, there were sequences of episodes where nothing but talking happened, the only seasons with non stop action was the last two, and we all saw what happened
It’s how it was done. This isn’t on the level of the early episodes. I’m not big on the battle scenes I like the small council meetings in GOT. This show just feels different and boring especially the dream shit with daemon. The show feels forced also with putting in ideology of the writers n diversity for the sake of it even when it makes zero sense. Like making the velaryons black was just stupid. It instantly takes me out of the show when they r on the screen. I see actors not characters
@@TheSands83 The "Dream shit with Daemon" is what was missing in the GoT, the magical elements George kept writing over and over about dreams, prophecy and nightmares and a reason why GoT was subpar to the books. Anyone hating it clearly should just stop watching because this is what A song of Ice and Fire was meant to be from the very beginning.
@@TheSands83 boo hoo, womp womp, black people exist my guy, watch out they might show up during your grocery shopping, god you people are so pathetic, seriously your problem with the show is, "there's black people in it, me dont likey" piss off racist pos
God im so sick of this "durrrr you just forgotttt" Everybody who is watching HOTD watched GOT before it, the difference is that the dialogue in early GOT was S tier, engaging, dramatic and fun while HOTD Season 2 has endless droning, repeating scenes and meandering plot, WE CAN ENJOY SLOW SEASONS but NOT poorly written ones with mediocre dialogue and pushing a women good men bad agenda. I support the Black and I used to support Rhaeneyra as queen but she's become so milquetoast that i've wrapped around to loving Aegon Purely because he isn't a cardboard cutout.
@@christianbroadbent7489 Rose-colored glasses. Early GoT has some scenes that drag for too long. Just people seem to conveniently forget about them.
There are going to be more scenes of Theon waking up to being tortured by Ramsey, or Jon Snow looking confused in the north with a blue filter or Daenerys roaming around with a yellow tint filter than Daemon having visions but people conveniently kinda forget about those.
There is no way this season is slow, it is going too fast compared to the books. Daemon spent almost 1 whole year in Harrenhal and without the visions it would just be Daemon having supper for the 100th time waiting for the Riverlands to gather. Also not sure if we are seeing the same series because women are def bad and Rhaenyra is the worst demostrating all the reasons why she shouldn't be queen.
The greens are the best of the season
Too many people are trying to defend slow pace with “character development”. Game of thrones seasons 1-3 were mostly dialogue and yet people remember them fondly because the plot was always moving forward.
A friend complained about the episode and said nothing actually happened and honestly he’s not wrong. There was set up but the plot didn’t move forward. Everyone ended in the same position as they started the episode which wouldn’t be a problem if ep 5 was not also set up. Literally not a single main characters position has h changed from the start of ep 5 to the end of ep 6.
Thank you. People prefer to put down legitimate complaints over having to critically assess a passable show, because there's too much rubbish out there at the moment.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Aegon. He didn't want to be king in the first place but was forced to accept it by his family. He doesn't have the necessary knowledge and skills to be a ruler and he knows it all too well.
From his point of view, he is a victim. Never loved by his parents and almost killed by his brother, he has an inferiority complex that ultimately led to him making rash decisions.
The interaction between him and Larys reminded me of the conversation between Tyrion and Oberyn Martell (when Oberyn tells him that he'll fight for Tyrion). In my opinion, it's one of the best scenes in the entire series.
Except with Larys you can’t be sure if his intentions really are good
He’s basically a frat boy king
I agree.. I like Aegon more than I thought I would.
In the book he had some flaws but was not the way the show portrayed him.
Well, he did rape someone
People ignore 95% of good quality to to complain bout the 5% they find mediocre
the only good in this so far is the gorgeous stages they have produced, digital fx for dragons and locations, the music (in season 1, season 2 has been tame audibly) and costume and makeup. there are some great actors in this series, doing there best with a bang average script and school standard directing. i guess thats a lot of good, about 60%
When you go to a movie, and you come out of it do you talk about the good things or the bad things?
@@hawks7111it depends If I liked it or not
@@freyasworn2600 If you consider the script of this show average, please recommend me some TV shows of the past two years that you consider great.
@@tankmh4468na i complain that a show depicting a war has less battle and combat then season 1 GoT had
Really hate the trope of a character disclosing sexual abuse/trauma and following it up with “anyways we should kiss!”
Does not fit either of them or their relationship whatsoever
Facts
but its realistic... I mean I know I have been in a situation like this where I am opening myself more and person is basically comforting me with a kiss or a hug
@@HK-gm8pe just because you have an abnormal reaction to something does not make it realistic. A hug is understandable, but a make out session? Yeah nah
@@fataliecatalie899 yeah cause targaryens have normal sexual proclivities
@@sarven101 being a Targaryen isn’t even part of it- not to mention it was something the actresses just threw in last second
My theory is SeaSmoke felt/knew Laenor was turning his back on his whole identity and wasn't calling out for his help in any way, which is why the dragon never felt compelled to join him in exile, but was still magically bonded to his life force and knew when he passed offscreen.
Glad someone else sees it! Laenor clearly didn't WANT to be found... Addam on the other hand, BADLY wants to live the life of a royal/dragonrider/etc, and had even said as much shortly before SeaSmoke came to him. 🙂
It was just let’s have a dragon burn n refuse a white guy n escape to find a black guy😂 so stupid
That doesn't change the fact that for this to be a good narrative, this plot point should have been shown or at least alluded to onscreen.
@@hira791 a week after leaving westeros he drove seasmoke out to the woods and drove away after throwing rocks at him 😢
@@hira791 It doesn't need to be alluded to if you have a brain. They have already established that the dragons and their riders have a mental bond, so to speak. We saw it in Rhaenyra's failed birth and they spoke of it another time too but I can't recall. It makes total sense, Laenor sailed away, and Seasmoke could sense/feel that Laenor didn't want him to come. It's not really that hard to understand.
I definitely saw the Rhaenyra-Mysaria romance coming, I think it makes total sense (especially given their shared history with Daemon) and the general sexual fluidity of the Targaryen's and Westeros culture. Also given the pressure on Rhaenyra and Daemon's absence.
I really like what Daemon pointed out to Lord Strong. In almost every scene where Daemon comes out of some trance or hallucination, Lord Strong is ALWAYS there behind him to wake him. It's almost like he's spying on Daemon.
Ser Simon is not Lord Strong, Larys is.
@ayoa1173 I thought Daemon renounced Larys and appointed Simon as Lord.
Oh well.
Yeah at first I thought they Aly Rivers was a hallucination because no one seemed to acknowledge her and she just pops up, but idk what’s real and not real at that place.
@@donovan4222yeah it was weird when simon mentioned alys...i dont even trust that lol
@@donovan4222I think she's real because she went to river run to ply her healing, according to Simon.
Although maybe Simon isn't real either 🤔
The only issue with the Mysaria scene is the very unnatural “and now I will tell you my backstory” moment.
Tbh I think that was on purpose, I think she’s believing that if she stays in rhaenyra’s side, it would be more likely for her to survive, maybe even become more powerful. She knows that vulnerability fosters trust and I feel like that’s exactly what she wants from rhaenyra.
I think it made sense, Rhaenyra once asked about Mysaria’s past and she refused to answer. Now that she is comfortable with Rhaenyra she decides to be vulnerable with her and share her story.
I really like this idea and hope it’s what is actually happening, it would be great to see play out. But in the episode it came across more like the writers shoehorning in some backstory rather than a calculated move by the character.
@niallgaffney2475 In this episode:
- Aemond takes control of the green council, make Cristen go to take over Harrenhal from Daemon. Fired his mother from the council and tasked Tyland to make alliance with the Triarchy and make Larys to go get Otto and threatened Aegon about what happened
- Rhaenyra and Jace trying to find more dragonriders
- Rhaenyra and Mysaria spread rumours and sent "gifts" to the smallfolk inciting a riot
- Daemon asked Alys for help.
- Larys tried to make himself hand, failed, then pivot to Aegon's side
- Aegon pretends he doesn't remember and asked Larys for help.
- Corlys promoted his bastard son
- Rhaenyra flew off to face whoever claimed Seasmoke
Everyone is making calculated moves... I don't know why you don't see any of it.
I totally agree with all of that, I’m only saying that in this one case with Mysaria it felt like a clunky backstory moment rather than a legitimate character decision.
I don't mind when the showrunners change important plots from the book..but most of the time they make no sense..the war just started and only the sea route has a blockade..there is no way King's Landing is starving..plus they know the blacks are to blame from the blockade, but they rebel for a couple of cabbages..this isn't the siege on Storm's End..they have almost all the roads and rivers for shipping food
Maybe the absence of land food can be that the reach & riverlands are all in turmoil, and that the Westerlands & Stormlands are being slow in their support? But yeah they could have done more to explain the food shortage.
@@jacklu1611 The blockade is the same in the books, no?
Well they do have food it’s just not enough to go around. That makes sense, assuming they get half their food from the sea route or something, or even 25%, just cutting that away would cause people to go hungry very quickly.
You should mind, it is where all the problems come from.
Uhm transporting food to several 100s of thousends of people via medival roads and carriges while the riverlands and reach have imploded? Kings Landing is starving in s2 of GoT without their even being a sea blockade just from the war
can anyone explain to me why Daemon doesn't just kill Alys Rivers when it's pretty obvious that 1) he is sick and tired of these dreams, 2) she is somehow involved in it. So WHY each and every time he sees her in reality they just have a nice chat and he even asks for her help but never tries or at least threatens to kill her?
I love Matt Smith so much and Daemon as a character and it's sooo frustrating to see his "development" in this season and it seems he won't even have Nettles around
May I be free for even one hour of the constant refrain of Nettles, Nettles, Nettles?
We know she got in his head at some point so it may explain his lenient nature towards her, its not farfetched to say she's made him more docile when in her presence because lets be real NO ONE else is getting away with the shit she says to Daemon. I personally don't think Alys is even physically at Harrenhall.
I would question why he didn't planned a way to kill the sick lord. Like he was literally able to send assassins to kill the "king" brother into the red keep. How hard that is compared to kill a sick lord...?
@@AtakenSmith Didn't Daemon asked Alys for help and she told him to wait 3 days and then bam... he's gone for good
@@HouseoftheWerewolf That's not the same as actively looking for an assassin. That's literally just "wait I magically solve it for you" boring. Especially after so many episodes of doing nothing. Cause the same could have been done by him day one.
I dont think anyone wanted to see Daemon hallucinating in harrenhal this whole season. They wanted to see him raising an army for Rhaenyra, which we've only seen glimpses of.
Everything with the greens is a delight to watch, but I find the characters on the black side increasingly boring
The counsel especially testing there. In GOT every character was important in the counsel. Sooner or later. Here they feel like NPCs...
12:55 You can see on IMDB that out of the 7K people that gave the episode a 1/10, 3.5K of the votes are from people from Saudi-Arabia. The episode really got review-bombed because of that scene with Rhaenyra and Mysaria😂
good eye for statistic, thank for the info
Great point
That just leaves me wondering if Saudi Arabia watched S1 because you had two dudes kissing in multiple episodes and none of those episodes really suffered on IMDb (in fact one of them is one of the highest in the show).
@@unc54 That's an interesting point indeed. Surprisingly, S1EP5, the episode you are referring to, received an overall rating of 9.2 out of 10 in Saudi Arabia. So, I don't really understand why S2EP6 has been received so poorly there.
But in game of thrones and HOTD S1 there was no "Review bombing" even though there were gay and bisexual scenes! Their ratings were still fairly high! So the problem here is not the lesbianism but rather bad writing and forced scenes.
The writing and characters have been so entertaining for me its hard to feel disappointed so far. Great show!
Everything the Blacks do during this season has been absolutely incompetent at best. How was Rhaenyra supposed to be a ruler again?
why are people hating on the episode? i thought it was pretty solid
very few people are hating, most people would agree that it was solid
Because the anti-woke crowd get their fragile little feefees hurt when two ladies kiss.
It was kind of mid and now seeing the most recent episode they could have really cut a lot of scenes and merged the episodes. Feels like they are stalling for the big set pieces and it is getting a bit annoying. Really irritating that they keep talking about bringing peace when they killed each others heirs and not blood and fire.
Even when this show is at its weakest is still a Dothraki sea of difference between when Got was at its weakest and anyone saying this episode was bad because of the kiss at the end just grow up
tbh I think that's supercuts making it a bigger deal. I've been seeing reviews all over and no one really cares that much they just say it came out of nowhere
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist Tbh for me it just felt inappropriate after what Mysaria just talked about. If they had done it at a later scene it would have made more sense and felt more natural.
@@unc54 pretty sure it's manipulative. They had been connecting over being used by daemon and not being accepted. And personally, I think she used that story to manipulate Rhaenyra emotions. Basically like they had been through the same thing and were connected. Now let me put my tin foil hat back on lol
@@unc54 i didnt even think about that, i saw it more that mysaria was opening about traumatic stuff to the only person how has ever shown her respect and treated her like as an equal, which lead to her wanting closoure and then more. I liked the kiss and hoping that they keep that relationship alive. But yea as supercuts said, having the kiss later (maybe next episode) would have been much better, cuz then we would have gotten more scenes with Rhaenyra and mysaria being more comfortable with eachother.
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist i'm glad u said this! when u rewatch the scene, i even noticed this the first time, there's this rlly odd music playing that makes you almost feel uncomfortable, and definitely not the type of music you would hear if they wanted to play up this mysaria and rhaenyra relationship. it definitely seems to me that mysaria is manipulating rhaenyra, and i'm rlly curious to see how they will play it out in the next two episodes
My 2 major issues are:
1) Individual weird scenes such as the kiss in this episode, the dragon scene in S1 episode 9, Criston Cole murdering that guy on the council without cause or consequence, etc..
Strange writing inconsistencies that do harm to the lore, world-building and the suspension of disbelief in the viewer.
And 2) the general writing on the Black's side which seems to be relatively one-sidedly portraying them as the good guys, and intent on rounding off their edges. Rhaenys, Rhaenyra as well as Mysaria needed to be challenged much, much more as characters. Rhaenys didn't face up to her crimes in King's Landing at all. And Mysaria may be a good character in concept, but the execution is lacking. She gained Rhaenyra's favor way too quickly, and her apparent romance with Rhaenyra has not been setup in the slightest.
The entire Blacks plotline this season feels stalled and rushed at the same time. That said, it's VERY far from "atrocious" claims I see getting thrown around. The rest of the series is still largely great, and even the Greens which have the worst writing are still above average imo. Troubling signs though, to be sure.
The frustrating part is the fact that they're doing a great job with the Greens (although I'll admit I do get tired of Alicent being their punching bag) shows that they can write good storylines for the Blacks. They're just not doing it because they want to make them so clearly the good guys (aside from Daemon and while his plot isn't the best it still is much better than Rhaenyra's) that it's instead made them so boring.
There has been a consequence of Criston killing Lord Beesbury at the council, The Reach is now in revolt due to it they mentioned it last episode
Fully agree, you can add the way they dealt with Laenor not being murdered like in the books but allowed to flee just because they didn't want to make team black do anything evil, even tho it brought some inconsistencies with Seasmoke as mentioned in the video
@@Saffronzwodderthey don’t pay attention
@@Saffronzwodder That is true, I should have phrased it more clearly; it had little consequence for Criston directly.
No it's not. I will admit the last two episodes were a bit of a let-down for me after the first 4, but the show is still very good, much better than most other stuff we see in Hollywood right now.
I also love how Daemon sleeping with his mom barely was brought up as bad in the fandom, and if it was, then it was mostly as a joke, but rhaenyra kissing another woman pushes the show too far. I'm not even really a fan of the two of them being romantic, but come on, it feels like half of the people I see talking about this show online are 12 year olds whose peak fiction experience was seeing portals open in Avengers Endgame.
100000% like the level of vitriol is so telling because even if you think it was under developed the attitude towards that is so different simply because they are women. Like if nothing changed in this story but we made mysaria a man, i think people would argue it was rushed, but not the ALL DESTORYING EVIL AGENDAAAAAAAA
Seriously look up low reviews of this Ep and take a shot every time the word AGENDA is mentioned and youll end up more fucked than tyrion
1. She was bi in the books. 2. THAT was too far???? Of all the violence and kink on GOT and HOTD? Stop it!!
Im saying man. It genuinely seems like the media literacy of people today is horrible. They dont appreciate anything that isnt sword clashing.
@@donovan6206people call it woke simply because it was gay they dont even think past that. Its really frustrating.
@@TheBadasssnoopythey’re agreeing with you
Bro how fried are peoples attention spams? I thought this episode was incredibly packed with really good drama and progression.
Mysaria and Daemons scenes have ruined the season for me
The smallfolk: “we’re starving, there’s no food to eat, let’s go throw food at the queens to let them know we’re pissed off” lol
That's after they got food from Rhaenyra though.
They threw fish at her. Probably already gone foul.
They did say all they have to eat is fish because... Well, it's a coastal city. You can't really blockade fish in the bay
They threw rotten fish at her and called her “the fish queen” because all they have to eat is fish. Thats established when Baelon goes to the pub and the only meal they have is fish.
@@ASummersetproduction can’t really blockade the 3/4 of the city that isn’t facing water either, but somehow did lol
For the book readers, guy that got his hand chopped off in the thumbnail, is that going to be the shepherd?
That would be pretty cool
I legit gasped when I saw that scene.
Yes for sure, great subtle foreshadowing
That would be a really good way of introducing him earlier honestly-
The context is perfect too and he does look the part so I assume so really.
@@matejwho Would have been better if he lost his hand when Rhaenys crashed through the dragonpit. I wonder if the show will ever acknowledge that.
I feel like people who are complaining the smallfolk scenes in the show are filler have not been watching the show. The show itself has pointed out several times that the opinion of the smallfolk matter, it was even a thing GoT focused on a few times. The focus on the smallfolk is integral to the plot and its development even if it might not be as obvious at first glance.
(Also knowing what it leads to only hammers in how important it is, even though I can't and won't expect everyone to have read FIre and Blood or looked up the lore before, I still think there's enough context in the show itself so far to support the importance of the smallfolk)
“Hammers in” 🤠🤠😉
These people are the ones that saw Cercei climb to power unchallenged and accepted it 100% without questioning. Meanwhile George RR Martin has been always hinting up how the Smallfolk can turn the tide.
These people are also the ones who complaint about how the show didn't care about the smallfolk in episode 9; then complain when the show made an entire episode focused and titled "The smallfolk". 🤨😐😑
Rhaenyra is insufferable.
“I’m incompetent and have no achievements, Why doesn’t anyone fear me?🤷🏾♂️”
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Character flaws waaaah 😨😨😨😨
@@madratter7031 It's not framed as a character flaw, the writers and show are clearly depicting Rhaenyra as being in the right when she isn't. Everyone glazes her like she's the most amazing person on the planet. The show is TELLING us to like her instead of making us like her. Lazy writing.
I am trying really hard to like her, but every time we see her she says something along the lines of :“ I did not start this war” or “ my brother sits my throne”
I can’t anymore. She roasts her small council for not having experience in battle or at war yet sends away Daemon, and gets mad at everyone telling her they need Daemon.
Idk they really feel like different characters this season.
@@calnaughtonsjesus What makes it worse is the fact that she was given proper respect and was looked to as a leader in the beginning of the season by her council after finding her sons body. Instead of being the leader she needs to be she just mumbles “Aemond” and walks away like Joe Biden lol
*People are forgetting that it isnt the slow pace that's the problem, it's the lack of intriguing dialogue!*
The sesson has 8 episodes so you shouldn't be spending this much time in build up, seriously daemon has been hallucinating for 5 episodes when you could've made it in 1 or two episodes.
The build up has been filled with random moment and so many times the characters are just starting in the distance or at each other without saying much which exposed the bad writing.
Instead of daemon having a weird dream with his mom which he can't even remember they could've showed his father baelom the brave and let them have a father som talk that could've been interesting or just stick to the book and give daemon his canon events
Removing characters like maelor targaryen son of aegon which creates plot holes.
Ignoring George R.R Martin rules about dragons and having sheepstealer at the vale.
Honestly I think one of the contributing factors is that this season was hyped (honestly more so from book readers than the actual creators) as being the actual war when it increasing looks more like it'll be something that probably really gets going in the final episode and into next season. Also, I think if this season was 10 episodes people would be much more forgiving of the slower pace. It's definitely not perfect and I do think the writing in season 1 was definitely better, but I'm still really enjoying it and still think it's closer to S1 - 4 of GoT than seasons 7 & 8.
8 episodes? Wtf why
I thought there were 10 😭😭
@@allandm SAME AAAAAAAAAAAA
They probably ran out of ideas. To be fair they are already kinda stretching some of this episodes.
@@Thor12233 They`re adapting perhaps 20 pages of a fictional history book so I would cut them some slack... I don't know what exactly people expected to have them turn against the show so quickly
The season has a fixed budget. If it's 8 episodes instead of 10, they can spend more money on each episode.
Or they can just sa ve money because there are fewer episodes. Whatever the case, it's because of money, not fewer ideas, imo.
no body is asking for action btw. this comment is everywhere "did you guys forget that game of thrones wasn't all action it was all plots and talking, why do you want dragon fights every episode" im so tired of hearing this shit comment. nobody is asking for action, we are asking for actual development. interesting plotting, witty plans, not the shit we are getting rn fillers and Rhynaera doing nothing but useless things for 5 episodes and Allicent struggling with lack of power and Daemon tripping. its just boring simply that. nothing worth watching and not worth the wait. this season is simply a flop.
Maybe Seasmoke doesnt want to find Leanor. He abandoned Seasmoke and maybe he understands that
That's not how dragon lore works. Dragon and rider are supposed to bond for life. While their rider's alive, no one else may mount that dragon. Joffrey Velaryon tried to ride Syrax and was shook off mid air and killed for it.
Daemon has been at Harrenhall for way too long at this point, there's really no arguing that, and I don't care how much people want to pretend Rhaenyra and Myseria kissing was natural, it absolutely was not.
They really should have followed the blueprint that George provided. What we're getting is worse than Fire and Blood.
The main problem is Daemon and Rhaeneyra's characters have been castrated this season condemned mostly to inactivity and while the first season was a prequel and build-up to a conflict we don't really have a conflict besides Rook's rest we just have a stalemate. The writing and plot is suffering a bit are there new writers from season 1?
You guys hate when the show takes its time and scream from action and activity … just let it happen naturally and the payoff will be worth it.
was curious myself and went to check lol this one was written by eileen shim who is responsible for the lord of the tides last season. one of the standouts from s1 imo. don't recognize the names from 203 or 205 though.
I'm pretty sure they do even less in the books
@@ilostmyiphone1128there’s a difference between the show taking it’s time and the show being extremely repetitive. The harenhall and dragonstone scenes have followed the same patterns for the last 2-3 episodes now
@@ilostmyiphone1128 Bro loves to watch nothing happening
Mysaria: I have a scar, I cannot bear children
Rhaenyra: Let's fuck
The kiss was improvised. The script didn't say anything about this, the characters felt this in the moment and did it.
You simply do not screw your chief of staff. The kiss does not work. The R + M hard left turn is a mistake and will only bring unnecessary complications down the road, aside from being completely out of sync with R's character. It was obvious trauma-bonding and it passes up a way more substantive opportunity which is genuine female friendship. It also presents political problems. The power imbalance calls into question whether M is even in a real position to give consent, or withdraw it at a later time without repercussions, and bodes poorly for R's judgment of M's real motives down the road.
@@worldadventuretraveltbh you Just described why this kiss was a great decision from the writers, a Lot of complications and Drama is exactly what you want from a Show Like this
@@JMQA1 I would have prolly left it out tbh but it’s not a big deal, I don’t think it will develop into anything since the kiss was improvised. I actually like it more as a quick accident type thing that happened under stress than the start of a real relationship.
It's a big decision to improvise something like that. I don't think it was improvised. The actors and directors and editors cannot be that dumb.
I don't feel Rhaenyra kissing a girl is that odd or out of place. But why Mysaria? Why then? It seemed a little odd and I don't know what this leads to. The only way this makes sense is if Mysaria actually betrays Rhaenyra at some point, which she has very little incentive to do.
Also, Rhaenyra is not gay. She could be bisexual, a lot of people should be considering how many Homosexual people are in these stories. But, even if she were gay, I don't see why Mysaria would attract her. She can sympathize with her pain. But she's nothing like her, and isn't even in the same place mentally.
The fans and youtubers shit on Benioff and Weiss now while praising HotD, which has many of the same signs of terrible writing and stupidity that were present in S5-7 and culminated in S8 of GoT. We seem to have a hard time holding writers and showrunners accountable for their shitty decisions so long as “cool scenes” exist, until the total shitshow begins. What’s funny is HotD is deteriorating at a much faster pace than GoT from a writing standpoint but mostly gushing praise or crickets is to be heard from the fans and online reviewers. This IP deserves better…and fans don’t learn.
Like you pointed out, the greens in general seem to get the most nuance in terms of their writing. If I remember correctly the kiss between rhaenyra and Mysaria was actually improvised during the shoot. So I think the audience feeling that the scene was kind of out of left field makes more sense with that context. The writers and director should have had the back bone to say "we love improv however the breadcrumbs for this type of relationship hasn't recieved the necessary development. We'll maybe consider developing it properly next season." And just cut the scene after the hug.
Harrenhall, “You can check out any time you like but… you can’t ever leave…”
2:24 the shadow being on the side of his face with the eyepatch is just chef's kiss. really adds to your idea of the eyepatch symbolizing his colder side. this show is so beautifully shot
Funny, I didn't notice any drop in quality and yet this episode is rated far lower than the rest on Imdb. Why? What upset people?
Dunno, I actually liked this episode
It's build up and slower then ep 4.
Game of thrones did a big battle/event in ep 9 with ep 10 being aftermath and build up for the next season.
People just don't have patience anymore
This episode was on par with episodes 3 and 5. It got review bombed becase of the kiss scene.
Because of homophobics. They dont want to see gay relations but instead they want more incest. which is weird cuz I feel like it is already full of incest.
I'm not aware of the detail of the hate of season 2, but yeah, something about it, has been keeping me from enjoying this as much as season 1. I can't put my finger on it. Something along the lines of losing interest in most of the characters.
I wasn't aware of the low rating until I saw this video. Personally I loved the episode. There are so many actors that fit their role so well, and I love watching them. Like Alicent's brother. I hope we get to see more of him, but I fear he will die as soon as combat starts.
I do think rhaenyra relationship with the white worm is forced both on how much trust rhaenyra has with her and the romantic angle but I'm more mad about the the seasmoke problem that they are just refusing to address, having leanor die off screen just feels really unsatisfying and his fake death in season 1 clearly only exists to keep rhaenyras hands clean and they can whitewash her to be the good guy, either kill leanor outright to dirty rhaenyra hands a little to balance the greens and blacks or have him come back in disguise from his dad and you could have some juicy drama there, especially with how addam and seasmoke will meet their end, this also means rhaenyra knowingly sent the kingsgaurd to his death with seasmoke cuz she had no reason to think laenor is dead, other then that is a good episode overall
Exactly! My thoughts as well.
@@hira791 nice to see someone who shares my sentiment
Sea smoke bonding with somone while laneor still being alive is ridiculous
I think he died offscreen, that’s why seasmoke is upset a couple episodes back.
Let's make something clear, people are not mad because there are gay characters, people are mad because that kiss was not in the script it was emma d'arcy that suggested they should just kiss which means they have no plan for this relationship to go further so it was just a filler moment meanwhile they could've showed us addam taking his first flight on seasmoke like aemond did on vhagar in season 1, finding seasmoke a rider was one of the main plot points in the episode so why off screen the most pivotal moment and replace it with a filler moment.
People don't realize how truly lonely Rhaenyra is.
People don't realize how lonely she can truly be if she can't stop with her whining.
@@happilyevernever4289 I think you're projecting.
She literally became friends with Mysaria a week or 2 at most and makes her a closest confider of hers. Out of ALLLLLL the other people she can trust like her son or Baela she chooses a clearly untrustworthy woman that even a blind man can see can't be trusted as her closest friend. And being closer with her is just asking for heartbreak and failure, I REALLY wanna support her but she's making it so hard for me ngl 😭
@@mariebourgot4949 nope many people have that opinion and yes she is whining.
@@masonhirovanaa2281 exactly. The fact that she is confirmed to be bi is not crazy. In the books, there were rumors about her and Laena getting freaky with each other together with Daemon. It isn't unsurprising at all that they went that route. But how Rhaenyra x Mysaria unfolded is as annoying as Alicole. Mysaria is literally a stranger and can't be trusted. It all seems way too fanfic-like and makes Rhaenyra really dumb without good reason. How does it even serve the plot?
Without the pacing the showrunners are using for this season, people would complain about not getting enough character development. I had a small problem with only getting to know Harwin and Leana for one episode before their death in the same episode. Many characters will die in this story, so I would rather get to know them so that their deaths mean something, and leaves an impact on not only the story but also the viewers. Also, there are A LOT of characters, and only one hour each week for us to be reacquainted with them. I love how the showrunners are allowing space for them.
I agree, to me, there are so many political changes in this season (at least on Team Green) that the "slow" pacing is needed. They needed to set up Aegon's reign and how it differed from Viserys'. Then they needed to set up Aegon's downfall and Aemond's "rise" to ambition. I feel like people don't realize that we got 3 Hands and 2 Kings and 1 dead Heir in ONE season for TG lol. Of course, it means the Blacks being "slowed down" because well... no one is working to overthrow Rhaenyra. But I feel like the writers handled well what to do with her and Daemon. I'd say maybe Jacaerys would've deserved to spend more time at Winterfell and Rhaenys deserved more moments, but otherwise 🤷♀ at least Daemon and Rhaenyra have a storyline, whereas in the book it's just "oh well Rhaenyra is grieving Lucerys and Daemon is waiting for his army". I feel like s3 will be very much reversed in that sense, with more happening on Team Black's side, and the Greens "suffering" from it. We have 40 things happening for the Greens, and 3 for the Blacks. But at the same time, we need the 40 from the Greens, so the Blacks have to go through it.
Totally agree. theses people are the same people who whine about the time skips in season 1.
I would agree. It does feel like that sticking to the 10 episode per season format of GoT did hurt S1 in a way, if it was 11 or 12 and we had a few more episodes getting to know Laena more, and getting to see Harwin and Rhaenyra's relationship blossoming, it would have been perfect.
While I am happy with S2 so far, once it's done we'll see whether or not 8 episodes was the right choice for this one.
But there has hardly been any character development. Rhaynera is still just as clueless as when the season started. Daemon having flashbacks about shit we already know about the whole season, tells us nothing other than the best actor in the show is effectively being sidelined. The only secondary character that’s even compelling is the foot guy.
@@austinward9 Only one of Daemon's visions was a flashback and it is a twist on events thats different to how it really happened. All of the rest are showing Daemon's real psyche behind his Rogue Prince persona
Kiss did feel out of place. They opened their hearts to each other and finally felt understood and that hug was so powerful. Literally just should’ve separated it into two scenes. Also it was a great episode with some very powerful scenes and yet everyone is just talking about the kiss 🤦🏻♀️
Thats actually a great fix
If they let it settle and made them increasingly more intimate later on it would have been far less jarring
Totally agree
My theory about the Dragon Bound idea is that Seasmoke felt that Laenor wanted to run away, so he stayed behind for him
the mysaria moment is out of left field because it was not in the script. it was improvised by the actors.
If that's true, then it will probably be a one-time occurrence and not affect the rest of the narrative.
@@_Azagoth_ "they're fucking"
@@kiralawliet5612hopefully, we’ve see what happens when good series deviate too much from the books…..
It definitely came out of nowhere. How do you know it was improvised?
@@MobbJacket88 Watch the interviews. The show runner and actors talk about it.
The problem with this show is that if you read the books you know Blacks and Greens are supposed to be mirror images of each other.
Instead, the show vouched to go the brainlet sub-30 IQ route of making an obvious bad guy and a good guy, for consumer simplicity; Aegon bad, Rhaenyra good.
In the books Rhaenyra is *a decent human being who becomes a complete and total piece of shit* and Aegon is *decent human being who becomes a complete and total piece of shit.*
You're *not supposed to know who to root for. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.* In the show, Rhaenrya still has yet to do one immoral thing, and Aegon is a *serial rapist and child abuser.*
Wow. Such nuance. So very thought provoking. Bro, Aegon in the books was winning the entire war just on the optics of *how moral and good he was to the smallfolk lmfao...*
Laenor being gay was relevant to the plot.
Renly being gay was relevant to the plot.
Rhaenyra being gay adds nothing and comes out of nowhere, it also makes her less likeable since she cheated on daemon when daemon hasn't.
Sure, its not that big of a deal at the end of the day, but they are pushing an agenda at the expense of the writing
Rhaenyra is quite queer already in books even from childhood.
1:34 Aemond Targaryen as played by E1 Mitchell
caught that too
I swear so many people just have TikTok brains now. If an episode doesnt have at least 2 scenes of dragons fighting each other, they call it boring and filler. Those kinds of people should just rewatch Seasons 7 and 8 of GoT and dont watch HotD.
It's just repetitive. Rhenerya's council complains she's a woman then she does nothing, Daemon has an acid trip, and then they talk about a war without showing any of the consequences going on in the riverlands.
@@compositeur8455 No, it's not repetitive. It's hammering a point for those too slow to get it mainly the new generation and Tiktok addicts with short attention span and ADD brains.
-Rhaenyra is a BAD queen
-Daemon is experiencing the power of the Old Gods, that was missing in GoT
-WAR TAKES TIME, ARMIES NEED TO GATHER AND MOVE LONG ASS DISTANCES.
-The Riverlands will get what they deserve for joining with the Blacks
The whole Dance lasts 3 years, the war of the 5 kings lasts 3 years, Robert's rebellion lasts 2 years. Please tell me you havn't read the book without telling me you havn't read the book.
@@Amantducafe
Its hammering in NOTHING
- The Writers have an obsession with white washing Rhaenyra, the focus of dragonstone is not to show how bad she is but to show how bad the men around her are, that its not only their fault because they love war so much but also they giv eher bad advice on fighting the war, the writers clearly put the blame on the war on Alicent and the greens and the poor performance on the men on her council and Daemon. Slapping a dude for shittalking her to her face is not le evil but shown as a good carthic moment for the girlpower enjoyers.
-Daemon's story is trapped in a time bubble where nothing is happening, every scene is the same, starting with Daemon getting shittalked and ending with him and Simon Strong while Rivers looks spooky in the background. It isn't even scary anymore, the first scene of him wandering around the rotten keep was amazing but its just Daemon watching season 1 again at this point while riverlanders talk shit and get away with it because Daemon lost his balls.
-Warfare in early AGOT was non-existant, every battle was offscreen and yet it was still 10x as engaging as what's happening right now how do you explain that? because people who complain are not ADD brained or f*king Tik Tok addicts but not content to eat every last drop of slop crammed into their bowl and can tell when whats infront of them is dogwater.
@@compositeur8455 +1
Your over simplifying the matter. People have legitimate criticism of this season. It has nothing to do with the lack of action. But weak plot points and weak/average dialogue.
Another scene where someone gets it on IMEDIATELY after taking about/going through trauma
Can someone help me understand how they feel the kiss came out of nowhere?
Rhaenyera has been feeling lost and isolated, feeling like nothing she has done has been good enough and surrounded by people constantly doubting her, except mysaria. She has essentially been the one actually believing in her and helped her carry out a plan to win the heart of the people. Rhaenyera was in a vulnerable state and in an emotional moment shared a kiss.
Other characters have gotten intimate with each other for less
There's been gay characters in the show, but it served the plot
This sounds like a paid review, really. The show at times fails at creating gripping scenes. The conversations and characters don’t invoke intrigue like they did in GoT. In that show, the dialogue writing was impeccable. And the contrast between the characters was captivating. The characters in this show are just whining all the time.
The intellect, humour, sarcasm, pride. These actors are not able to land those elements or let’s say, the show writing is not able to bring it out.
The show is fine but the kiss was entirely unnecessary. At least with laenor, it played a role in the development of various relationships and by extension, the story. This is just there cause the actress is queer
update: nvm. laenor being gay doesn't make sense either as were supposed to be his illegitamate children. the targaryen blood is necessarsy for . now it doesnt make any sense
food doesn't just come from the sea, westeros is big enough to feed king's landing and it's unrealistic that all food comes from sea. I really don't think king's landing imports all it's food from essos. This plot point is really contrived.
I disagree, if you know how supply chains work, if Kings landing gets 50% or even 25% of their food from the sea, then that would cause huge shortages pretty quickly if you cut that away. There is also the possibility that tools needed to process food come from Essos.
Well, the royals (and their dragons) are taking the majority share of the food and livestock on the shipments that come from pro green places like the Reach, Westerlands or the Storm lands, and the nobles and people of means in KL have been said this episode to have bought out the rest, leaving scraps for the small folk in a city of a million. Secondly, winter is coming, they have been saying this since Cregan and Jace were at the wall in episode 1. And winter in Westeros affects everyone heavily, not just the North. So shipments are scaled down in order to build up their stores for the coming winter.
Kings Landing is starving in s2 of GoT to
@@donovan4222 Margaery fed KL on her own when she wanted, bigger population at that time.
I think it's pretty realistic, Aemond doesn't give a sh*t about smallfolk, so he let's them starve.
I very definitely got the impression in season 1 that there was an unacknowledged attraction between Allicent and Rhaenyra, which fed into the souring of the relationship: not only did Rhaenyra lie to Allicent, but it was the end of any possibility of romance between them (if Allicent marrying Viscerys hadn’t already done that). So, while the kissing in this episode was a bit sudden, it wasn’t shocking. Also, let’s not forget that Misarya is a skilled manipulator, and has mentioned using sex as a tool before; things might not be as they seem.
Why can't two people care and respect each other without being sexual.
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It's sick
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Not to mention Rhynera is bi in the books, she is said to be "very close" to Laena and daemon
I have a lot of issues with season 2, but almost all of them are with the Rhaenyra/Dragonstone storyline. The other two storylines (Harrenhal and the Greens) are great.
But with the blacks, it feels like the characters we know aren't doing very interesting stuff, they don't develop for several episodes.
Rhaenyra has been indecisive and complaining about her council for the entire season now. Mysaria is boring , all she does is tell her backstory and tell the audience what an awesome person Rhaenyra is, she feels like a self-insert for the writers. Corlys barely seems to still be a character at this point. Rhaenys was smug and off-putting in all her episodes. Only Jace has been a moderately interesting character.
The Rhaenyra/Mysaria relationship feels poorly written entirely, I really don't understand why these characters are suddenly so worshipful of each other. What has convinced Mysaria that Rhaenyra is a wise and gentle queen? What has convinced Rhaenyra that Mysaria is a good person who has her best interests at heart? It just is unearned in every respect. The kiss isn't even that jarring, it's the mere fact that they're so close in the first place. It's not the first time this happened, as Rhaenyra and Rhaenys were also besties all of a sudden at the beginning of the season, even though Rhaenys supposedly blamed Rhaenyra for what happened to Laenor. The writers seem to just have forgotten that completely and figured that since both characters were women, and they liked both characters, therefore the characters should be best friends. But they did nothing to develop any friendship, it's just there.
The difference in quality is biggest when comparing the council scenes. The green council scenes are fantastic, because they consist of well-developed, interesting and complex characters squaring off against each other. Every time the dynamics are different, and you can never predict what happens.
The black council scenes on the other hand feel all the same. The main characters (Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, Corlys, Jace and Baela) almost always agree with each other and the rare times they don't, it usually takes less than ten seconds for them to get on the same page.
So there's no tension there, all the discussion that exists is between this collection of main characters, and a bunch of generic "lords" who all seem to have the same personality and the same motivation: "I like war and don't like women." And they always end the same, with the lords in the council looking down in abashed silence after a main character defeats them in debate with a snappy oneliner (even though objectively speaking, the lords make very valid points, they're just depicted as arrogant and unsympathetic to push the viewer into siding with Rhaenyra and the other main characters). It's really boring right now, the writing for the blacks is sub-par.
I agree 100%. I think the Team Black bias the show runners clearly have (i.e. in showing how the Green council debate and disagree, while the they key Blacks in their Council just agree with one another instantly and rehashing sexism) ends up making the Blacks stale. I literally end up skipping the Blacks scenes to the Greens' cuz shit is actually progressing on their end. I love their complexity and the tension and underlying dynamics between Aegon, Aemond and the Green Councillors against each other. Rhaenyra whines about sexism and the councillors not respecting her when she doesn't realise she has not really done anything to earn their respect. She disappears to meet Alicent for weeks, thus hurting her standing before her allies, and offers no tangible martial solutions. Well obviously they won't listen to you, and she complains but does nothing about it, so how am I supposed to be excited about her character?
Also, Mysaria's actress' delivery of her lines this season is so...wooden. I legit cringed because I thought this is so bad.
@@hmm_1228 It feels like nobody on the council of the blacks is allowed to be an actual character, because if they are characters, they will be flawed and they will call out each others' flaws. And Rhaenyra, Rhaenys and Mysaria won't be morally perfect girlbosses anymore.
@@frankvandorp2059 I don't understand making them girlbosses with no flaws. Because GoT had Cersei, Olenna, Margaery and Daenerys. They all had their motivations and did awful things to further their cause, and we all loved them because they had layers. Rhaenyra, Rhaenys, Mysaria? Zilch. Just cardboard.
@@hmm_1228 "I don't understand making them girlbosses with no flaws." I guess because Game of Thrones started in the before time, and more than half of the show had already been written by George over a decade earlier.
Previously a lot the criticism on social media imo have been overblown in that so many don’t engage honestly with the show and are either stuck in the "choose a side" mentality that the marketing drove up or thinks that everything that’s not exactly like the book is bad writing.
This time around it’s just straight up homophobes denying something that has been building the last few episodes. Not to mention Martin has very clearly made it a Targaryen trait to be "broad" in sexual preferences
It's not homophobic when the subtext is so subtle half the general audience missed it. It was out of left field. Completely and utterly random. I'm bisexual and I think the scene was off putting.
@@targaryen_timelord You could see that kiss coming a mile away, I'm surprised so many people didn't catch the hints in the previous scenes with these two actresses this episode. Then again the show does move a bit slow and I guess it's not that hard to lose focus. To be honest I did feel like that hints I'm talking about felt a bit abrupt this episode and could have been paced better throughout the season.
While this season does have minor flaws, majority of this season is still superior than most of Disney's recent shows. So I can't complain much tbh. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
The problem is that Rhaenyra and Mysaria is that the actors came out and said they did it because they felt like it. They improved it. It came out of left field
i dont get it, game of thrones was to fast at the end for most people but this is to slow. its just right, actions have impact and need time to develop no one has a jetpack in this show. Game of thrones had a lot of actions at the end but was it good?
One gripe is that there seems to be plenty of time for Daemon-spooky-castle but they had to cut the Nettles character, who had a sizable impact on the story
Honestly, the fact that the kiss is between two women is not relevant, it's that damn forced romance trope they have to stick everywhere... it just feels out of place, it doesn't feel like Martin.
With the food situation in Kings Landing is like saying why Rome needed the Egyptian grain suplies through ships transports when it they had acess to land routes of Italia, and I might add Rome had as well a population of one million and without the ses lines, it was imposible for the city to not starve, there are even acounts when Rome was blocaded and its leaders sprung into action, so yes, Kings Landing being starved is 100% a legit problem and makes total sense
I mean… Why can’t people enjoy the build up?
This season has been nothing short of awesome. The dialogue, the editing, the intrigue… It is so dope.
Rhaenyra kissing Mysaria really doesn’t do anything but establish how desperate Rhaenyra is for finding a female presence & relationship she can trust. She had Allicent until she married her father & just lost Rhaenys. She is letting her guard down & let’s see what that does.
Overall, this season is dope & I am so over people hating everything that shows diversity aka anything with minorities in positions of power/intrigue or LGBTQ.
Its episode 6 in an 8 episode season
The problem with this series is it starts to go towards disney-level politics with GOOD Rhenyra and BAD Aemond (also: GOOD women, BAD men).
ASOIAF was and never will be about good vs bad. I feel like they are missing the main point more and more with each episode. Characters should be grey from both sides.
Aemond is the villain in the book too. They have no0t shown Rhaenyra to be good, she has been shown to make so many great mistakes. They have shown Alicent in a terrible light too. What good women are you crying about, incel?
lol the fact that you think this has anything to do with “politics” or Disney is mind boggling.
@@LauraGS564 Aemond is not a villain in the book. No more than other characters that commit horrible acts. Aemond is just one of them. Aemond has many good character traits - for example he is loyal to his brother. Opposite of what we can see on TV screen.
In the same time Rhenyra is often petty in the books. Which is never shown on TV.
@@donovan4222 What exactly is mind boggling? Didn't you notice that House of the Dragon is mainly about politics in a feudal fantasy society? 80% of action is at the court. And I mentioned Disney cause it's typical for Disney fairy tales to divide world into good/bad dynamic.
@@bloodwynn There is not a “good/bad dynamic” in this story…what are the “Disney driven politics”?
Oh just wait til the finale.
8:44 - 8:52 I’m pretty sure that it was confirmed that the writers didn’t plan on the kiss. It was supposed to just be a hug in the original script, but Emma D’arcy suggested kissing Mysaria’s actor and the director and the actress were both okay with it
I’m pretty sure Emma D’Arcy said that it was mentioned in the script that Mysaria and Rhaenyra “shared breath”, which does imply a kiss down the road, so I think the writers planned for a relationship between mysaria and rhaenyra
Sara Hess in a recent podcast said the kiss was scripted but the hug wasn't. And Sonoya was told by Ryan even before season one shooting that there gon be a romance between Rhaenyra and Mysaria
Absolutely not. Modern TV shows have professional intimacy coordinators (Miriam Lucia in case of HotD) who make sure nothing like this happens, that even the scenes that might have a hint of intimacy are made perfectly according to the script and that all the actors are in on what's going to happen.
@@Karasuno86Yeah, you might be right about that. The article I read said that Mysaria’s actress told the interviewer that it was the kiss but I looked at another article and it said that the hug was unscripted. It’s kind of hard to tell which is true since people are giving conflicting answers on it
I loved Larys' scenes in this episode. From him realizing Aemond can't be controlled, to him still trying and spectacularly failing (like the toad he is), to him coming to Aegon and showing some actual fucking emotions and humanity. He feels sorry for Aegon, as he is about to go through a life like Larys had to endure since birth. But Larys knows also that Aegon's life is in danger, and will try and help him sharpen his mind and stay alive, both out of feeling sorry for him, and out of wanting a more controllable monarch
I don't care about Mysaria and Rhaenyra's sexuality, rather the poor lead up was just...wtf? There was no emotional connection between them prior, and the real dynamic that is present is one where Mysaria should be feeling sexually used. The power difference between them is massive, and GoT never fails to remind you of that when that kind of thing happens between a man of power (king literally), and someone who isn't. Here, they're all like "oh look, they really love each other!" Oh do they? This is the first manifestation of it?
As for the rest of the review: I thought the dragon scene with knight-whoever was silly AF. The show often has characters forgetting who they are when convenient and this is what happened. Somehow we the viewer could see that for a moment Sea Smoke was OK with him, but he hesistated and was a little wheeny for way too long, changed his mind and burned him, but the knight himself couldn't observe the same? We, silly ass viewers can see this but a knight (who I presume has seen at least some amount of aggression and battles)
Again, my issue with this show is it's constant need to show us that the two ladies lead the show, and the men are peons and idiots who don't drive the plot. It's literally a "this is a woman's world, then men just occupy space in it" but it's a ridiculous contradiction to the supposed reality of the patriarchy being on steroid that same world. If that is the state of the world, then that doesn't mean every character under that oppression is even woke about it, most wouldn't be. And those who are on the oppressor side (men) would NOT forget if a woman actually had no power or standing to be where they were or do what they are doing. Alicent would not at all be this character if GRRM had actually written the books in detail. She was clearly written as a younger teenages to be the kind of lady who does what a lady is supposed to do. Not necessarily as doey eyed and fantasy stricken as Sansa Stark, but dutiful in the role of women of that world for sure. Yet somehow she was fit to "rule" while Viserys was sick? The small council was like "oh, your husband is sick so we'll trust you to tell us what he wants?" Get out of here. That's what the Hand of the King would have done wholly, and without the queen's help, never mind that she was his daughter. Hand of the King can speak to the king if he can speak. The queen remains a symbol. When did Alicent suddenly learn how to run things just because her husband was sick and earn a seat at the small council? The show expects us to believe that because Cersei did it later in GoT? But if you recall carefully, as soon as she did there was clear and immediate protest because she had no actual position to be there -- from one of her own family members to, Kevan Lannister. If the show wants me to believe Alicent (even Rhaenyra) at capable as rulers in title or actual, where in their rearing did they ever learn? It was a direct plot element that Visery's denied this from Rhaenyra, which..."bad Viserys for being sexist" but once that reality is true, it remains true that Rhaenyra lacks a lot of knowledge. She can't be "wise" when she's so damn ignorant about a lot of things she was kept from. Unfair it is, but it still remains true so the plot has to be consistent with it.