Warframe - Ranking EVERY Energy Generation Method in the Game!
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Do you remember we got flawed mod of equilibrium during vor prize quest? Now with flawed mod removal we get equilibrium straight up from the quest. No need for lephantis.
Also where is Energizing Shot mod?
Also zenurik give you more effectiveness on orb and free ability cast sometime.
@@ababil24081 free cast per minute, bonus orb energy over time, it’s pretty nice. My one complaint is that it doesn’t work on Necramechs or archwings
@@ababil2408 the free cast is once every 60 seconds
@@FrancisYorkMorganFBIregardless, its a nice addon
@@FrancisYorkMorganFBIregardless, its a nice addon
I respectfully disagree with amber shards being F-tier - they're a hands-off energy generation boost that doesn't take up a mod slot, a helminth ability, your focus school, or an arcane slot, and they synergise well with any and every orb-generation method of energy management.
I agree with All your Points *EXCEPT* the part about the Arcane Slot... Simply Because there aren't Any Arcanes you would feel like you Have To Run other than Arcane Energize.🤔
@@lookalike4805 my Mesa uses Arcane Velocity(Fire Rate) and Arcane Avenger(Crit Chance), i'd be worse off with energize then replaceing some mod with Equilibrium(especially considering that i already want Wyrm prime for Reinforced Bond)
@@lookalike4805I run healing and either armor or duration as my arcanes. Don't really think energize suits my builds that much tbh.
@Nicolas_GE
Naturally there are going to be Exceptions....
I can even name them for you.... All Self Sufficient Frames, Mesa and Titania.
The Other 40 Warframe's will Have No Reason not to Arcane Energize.
@radiofloyd2359
Clearly you didn't Understand my Argument. 😐
@@lookalike4805 then that's just your issue only because i don't crutch and rely heavily on energize. i put 3 tau amber on to my harrow with three of them using energy orbs effectiveness so i can use his third ability as subsume slots, and im still doing good in energy economy even without any other energy source like equilibrium, zenurik wellspring or nourish, just using energy orb as my source of energy and keep in mind that harrow is a casting spamming warframe and i have 45% efficiency on him.
Energy Nexus below Dreamers Bond and Energy Syphon, only because you get it late in story progression?
ALL subsume options are pretty late game and need a huge ton of grind and resources.
Arcane Energize 1500 plat or a huge amount of grind and is also needs decent gear (unless someone carries you)
You can buy Energy Nexus for 10-15 plat, right from the start of the game.
It should be top C tier at least, maybe low B tier.
Those are permanent, conditionless 3 EPS.
It's a solid choice on higher efficiency builds.
Fr. He's not being consistent 😂
@@hado9053 Nah he is. Pretty much every thing above it has better eps for minimal effort. The mod is pretty garbage in comparison to every thing else.
@@tonysmith9905 I think honestly it really depends on your energy needs, I run Energy nexus on a few warframes and I never run out of energy, Even on more energy costly frames, These frames also do not have nourish. It's also great to just have some passive regeneration for times you are spending a few seconds trying to find an enemy.
There's also no consideration for stacking some of these low-effort, low cost items much like the equilibrium + synth mod in S+
Energy nexus + primary exhilarate (on a primary with guaranteed impact procs) is a consistent 6.6 energy/s that requires no kills and works even on low enemy density situations. It's insanely comfortable, always giving you a steady energy rate in those builds where you wanna run a companion focused on giving crit damage + fire rate buffs instead of health orbs. Stack an extra energy gen option like energize on top if you need some extra buffer, and it's even lazier.
I've swapped to this setup over equilibrium + synth on my endurance run shield gating builds, because of how consistent and ridiculously comfortable it is. No more cursing out your sentinel for suddenly not marking enemies in levelcap lol
@@tonysmith9905 man says a essentially 6x effectiveness buff AND being a less prominent opportunity cost yet being a lower tier is "consistent"?????
Personal notes:
- would personally put Arcane Energize a tier lower just for how hard/expensive it is to get. It's great yeah, but man do I loathe how inaccessible it is for most people. And no internet! You don't NEED this bloody thing!
- Arcane Steadfast is really good imo for Themal Sunder spam. I've only got a 8% chance version right now, but it always surprises me just how many more Thermal Sunder blasts I can squeeze out my Gauss using it. Wouldn't put it higher than A tier, but it's underrated for sure.
- Amber/Violet archon shards are too low. 2 Tau Ambers is enough to replace Arcane Energize (doesn't cost 1500+ plat too ^_^) in my experience as its effect is weaker with 2 shards, yes, but it's consistent coz Energize's RNG and cooldown can screw you over.
Violet Shards is the same, 2 Tauforged Violets is enough in most cases to replace Equilibrium (companions now have multiple ways of helping you with energy after all. Equilibrium doesn't have to do all the heavy lifting by itself anymore) as the mods 110% conversion rate is overkill with a good build.
For the rest I agree with these placements.
just keep equilibrium and use your shards for strength/dur, you'll still have a better end result while keeping azure shards
Depends on your build, my Khora is a bit of an energy... er... yeah. So she NEEDS Arcane Energize, even with Nourish, and Equilibrium. In exchange for selling every ounce of energy I have I get easy millions to tens of millions with "only" 3 Crimson Shards, when my final build will call for 5 Violet Archon shards.
Energize used to be 5000-7000 for an r3 , it’s relatively cheap now
@@otherhorizon8193 I have found dispensary and equilibrium on khora leave me with no energy issues, so you can run arcane fury + either avenger if you want the combat discipline aura build for flat added final crit all the time or a defensive/utility arcane. For example I use arcane efficiency for some extra strangledome and dispensary duration. But aegis and plenty of others would work
@@RathVantas I wouldn't be surprised if that works better than my build. I've got Equilibrium as well, but my subsume is Nourish, which in theory would allow me to have better mobility, the only issue is my Strength isn't high enough to get a ton of energy from it. Also yes I'm running negative efficiency
Hard disagree with D for Energy Nexus. It’s more than enough by itself on the builds that do make use of it.
For example Gauss with nothing else contributing will generate nearly double the energy than his 2 and 4 cost with Energy Nexus alone in the time that it takes for the duration to run out. He’s not the only example but he’s an obvious high duration builder.
Sure.... But the Whole Point of a Tier List is to Evaluate something's Performance Against Everything... Not just the Exceptions....
In All Honesty... Energy Nexus going BELOW Energy Siphon makes Perfect Sense... To me atleast. 👀
@@lookalike4805 How does Energy Nexus make sense below Energy Siphon?
I do think though Energy nexus is underrated, I use it on quite a few warframes and never run out of energy. It's great unconditional energy regen
Gauss generates infinite energy with just his 2 🤨
@@lookalike4805it doesn't make sense really. Not only is energy siphon effect lower then energy nexus but also there are better aura mods to use and if you have nourish subsumed and you have energy nexus. You basically get free energy for doing absolutely nothing and with zenruik it's even better.
@@0Rosanna you clearly haven't reached the point in the game to Realise how Precious Normal Mod Slots are compared to the Aura Slot. 👀
Dispensary with equilibrium is amazing.
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Great video, i must say i completely agree with your rankings and it's a wonderful way of showing new players just how many energy generation methods there are.
I personally use Nourish + Energy Nexus on my 175% Efficiency Wukong build and i have completely forgotten about energy issues it's just amazing.
As far as Energy Pads i believe even with the crafting costs they are incredibly powerful and definitely deserve a place in your tierlist (personally i would put them in either B or C tier )
Energy pizzas will forever be A tier for me. I only use them as a last resort though so I rarely use them. :p
i use the same combo on my kullervo, even with only 455 efficiency energy just never runs out haha. i have 360 strength, can reach 400 with madurai chained sling
The amber archon shard (and likely the purple one) is actually really powerful with any ability that can increase loot rates, such as pilfroid or dome Khorra. I also want to note that the opportunity cost there is basically 0, given that most frames don't really substantially need archon shards to be more than good enough.
Archon Shards are worth around 70% of a mod slot, in some cases more. There is opportunity cost
@@SuluXuluS kinda.
Thing is the shards don't really do much that is specially uniquely powerful. A modded frame is already sufficient, usually, to survive great, deal great damage and crowd control
Considering your criteria this tier list is very inconsistent. If you are gonna put equilibrium + synth together, than all the others energy sources can be put in higher tier by using proper synergy. And the bad take "nourish helm dead", people use nourish for 2 things, energy and spreading viral procs to increase dps, pablo said the nerf would not make bad to use as a helm subsume. It would be better if the video was about your favorite energy source than making a incosistent tier list. Its important to be unbiased in tier list so you dont spread missinformation. But that a good try.
Fantastic video overall on the video! Though I'd like to argue that Nourish is an S or maybe even an S+ tier option for energy generation, mainly because of its strength scaling.
Sure, if you're assuming that nourish only doubles energy received does make it an A tier for energy generation, but most of the time, this isn't really the case because nourish scales with strength. With the right build, nourish can straight up quadruple your energy rate in strength-focused builds. Assuming you're running Nourish with Zenurik, a warframe with 300% strength will essentially be giving you 15 energy/second from zenurik alone and will make every energy orb worth 100 energy per orb, and that's not counting the energy received from all other sources such as Zenurik's own Energy Pulse. Nourish was super powerful as an energy generation ability not just because of its multiplicative increase to energy, but its scalability with higher strength warframes as well.
Running Nourish on a 200% strength Mirage or Mesa basically makes all energy orbs generate 75 energy each, making it equivalent to a rank 4 arcane energize but without the exorbitant platinum cost, plus it works with *ANY* energy source and not just energy orbs. Running Nourish on anything higher than 200% makes it surpass arcane energize in most cases. Nourish definitely deserved its nerf because of this power scaling. Sure, you can argue that it doesn't work on low-strength warframe builds, but most low-strength warframe builds oftentimes don't need that much extra energy as they aren't running Blind Rage, thus making their energy requirement not that high to begin with. Most warframes that need energy oftentimes need it because they're running blind rage, and because nourish has insane strength scaling, this makes it perfect for most warframes that needed the energy.
So yeah, it definitely needed to be toned down a bit, hopefully not too much though because I definitely already have it on a ton of frames...
I think its S but the fact it's getting nerfed soon makes me hesitant to recommend
Putting emergence dissipate in A tier is really strange when you have to jump through hoops to get the energy
Especially considering that you put amber shards in D tier, despite being passive
Dissipate isn't that hard to use and it asks you to do things you already want to be doing (grouping large amounts of enemies) in the game.
Really, the cost of dissipate is more to be considered as dedicating an operator arcane slot for it (which is a generally fairly low cost) and having to pause battle for a second to gain energy (this is a more considerable cost if you need to be replenishing often).
i love your videos keep going bro you deserve to be one of the biggest warframe content creators!
I will say something i think that is underrated about Archon Flow is that if you put it on your exalted weapons it counts as ability kills, and you'd be surprised on certain characters, giving Mesa a 10% chance to drop an energy orb on kill actually really helps just keep her topped up
Energy pads are an A teir source in SP cause of the cool down
S+ choice in starchart, because you can spam it
I will say, the more important thing about energy sources is if it is enough and has the least opportunity cost. A lot of people end up generating way more energy than they need and are better off with a different source that takes up a less valuable slot.
In terms of the opportunity cost point, here's an example. For a rhino, primary exhilarate probably sucks since you're probably using rhino to buff your gun damage and it takes up a valuable slot for damage (primary arcane slot). If you're running gyre, you're probably trying to kill with abilities so shooting your gun every now and again to get more energy is much more convenient since the slot is a lot less valuable than the usual energize people run. Gyre really likes molt augmented for pillage full strip and so you only really have 1 arcane slot to use. This makes it harder to justify using energize if you have another arcane you want to use.
This is why I personally do not agree with the exodia brave placement among a couple others. For me, melee weapons usually sit there doing nothing (other than shattering impact for acolyte/demolisher if I need it) so exodia brave just gives me free energy with close to no downside (unlike energize limiting you to 1 arcane slot, or equilibrium taking up a precious mod slot). Obviously, certain frames want certain things more than others so its really hard to tier list all sources since certain frames/builds like certain sources more than others. For example, loki could do well with energy nexus if you get the right efficiency duration values to have permanent uptime on invis regardless of enemy density, headshot kills, or any other unreliability. Loki doesn't really value mod slots too highly since he really just wants duration and maybe efficiency. Gauss however can never go energy nexus imo since he wants range, duration, strength, archon vitality and some efficiency so he values mod slots much higher.
I totally agree with opportunity cost being the most important part of an energy generation method, which is why I ranked subsumes and especially subsumes + augments so low, relatively speaking - I see where you're coming from with Exodia Brave, and I think this might be a difference in play style and experience, because I personally value my melee weapon greatly, and taking advantage of Exodia Brave generally requires actively killing with the heavy attacks of a subpar Zaw (since you can't use other better Zaw arcanes to patch up the loss in damage). If Exodia Brave only required dealing damage with heavy attacks, I could justify bumping up a tier or two to B, but it doesn't seem to work with DoT kills from forced slash procs on heavies either, which really drags down the potential the arcane could have.
I'd roughly value opportunity cost to be something like:
Augment + Subsume > Subsume > Specific Weapon/Companion Requirement > Arcane > Mod Slot > Aura Slot > Companion Mod Slot
In terms of most to least cost, although this probably depends a lot depending on player experience.
If you rank all Source exclusively By Opportunity Cost then nothing Comes close to *Arcane Energize* .
@@lookalike4805 Nah, archon shards are lower opportunity cost imo since most frames don't need them (unless you need x shard to reach y strength for a breakpoint) and so if archon shards are good enough for your energy economy then it can be the best option.
The frame also has to value the warframe arcane slot heavily though (usually a situation like needing molt augmented and wanting arcane reaper or smth for survivability).
@@Kiocifer Yeah, it is hard to generalise opportunity costs because like you just pointed out, players play differently and value things differently as well as the frames themselves needing different amount of energy regens and value slots differently too.
@fasihzubair481
I disagree... Simply because the Archon Shards are Competitively Balanced.... If you use One Shard for Energy then you're giving up something Equally Valuable in Other Desirable Areas... Whether your Frame Needs them or Not.
The Same Can't be Said for Arcanes.... Arcane Energize sits so far Above it's Competitors that sometimes I don't even know what to put in the Second Slot.... In the Case of *Limbo/Loki* I just have Nothing there because why Bother....
I can't say the Same About Shards.... Even though I don't need More Duration or Strength or Casting Speed... Those Things are Very Nice to Have and that's what The Energy Shards are Competing With 👀
Very good an informative video!
Fun facts:
If you have archon stretch on a frame that has no electric abilities but there is a Wisp in the party, her motes can trigger archon stretch on you. (That's why I have it on my Kullervo with the combination of energy nexus and nourish)
Frost can kill with his 4th ability, but it's a strange interaction with coil, Gyre's subsume. If you throw away the ball, and use his ultimate (with 3 regular yellow cast speed shards) when they get the first damage tick from coil, they might get killed by ice damage. But it's not really reliable.
You forgot the Khra canticle. It gives a 12% chance for enemies to drop a universal orb when killed by the tome. You won’t normally be killing things with the tome, but it will sometimes kill enemies with it’s alt fire. I find it to be worth it to run along side xata invocation as a minor bonus. On its own it’s pretty bad though.
Been quite a while since I've seen any Warframe on my feed.
Anyway, there is one energy generation option you missed. No surprise as it's old, obscure, and niche. The Sahasa Kubrow's signature mod Dig will find you what you need every 15 seconds with a 5 second animation. What you need includes 2-3 energy orbs, for a whopping 3.3 energy/second under optimal conditions, but at least can scale with or trigger any effect that needs orbs.
What you need goes quite a ways, health, energy, ammo, and most niche of all _extra life support_ in survival missions. I used to main Ivara, and greatly enjoyed never having to drop out of prowl because I always had energy orbs spawning right on my knees. Good pupper, much recommend for extremely long missions. For raw energy generation, not so much. C tier, for versatility if nothing else.
LMAO did you really put the Maple Story BGM around the 4:52 mark I had to pause and rewind this, but very good video :)
Equilibrium is a nutty mod on Nezha. Because you're encouraged to spam his 2 constantly, especially late game, it's a very easy way to get tons of energy, and save an arcane slot.
Easy mod to place too I find Nezha doesn't really need anything except an unranked adaptation to comfortably do endgame so you can slap equilibrium in no sweat.
its really funny how up until recently the energy options used have been c teir and d teir. altho i did notice how great equilibrium felt when i used it so glad im not the only one who liked it
Seeing you do those energy crafts made me wanna cry a bit... at least grab the x100 blueprint aaaaa
Couple of things
Ive gotten great yse out of both amber and violet shards, with ambers being a permanent mini energize (im not sure how you dont see the usefulness of amber shards when energize just does the same thing but 150 energy every 15 seconds at BEST, when just one tau amber shard can get you almost 50 energy on EVERY orb, which for some frames can be enough and not require an entire arcane) and violets are also useful in other areas, especially with citrine in addition to voruna. Fractured blast with equilibrium would be massive overkill, so just having the violet makes more than enough energy to sustain it. Basically anything with access to alot of health orbs will probably benefit from violets allowing to free a mod slot instead of using equilibrium
Exodia brave ive gotten use out of on kullervo the most, but it can definitely be useful otherwise if you youre willing to use a zaw, with the only real downside being that you cant use contagion, so its more of an opportunity cost for the zaw SPECIFICALLY rather than energy generation itself
Primary exhilirate is also a pretty free energy generation method if youre using the cedo as a primer, which i do occasionally as its hands off and i can just shoot the glaive whenever, then that 3eps is basically free since im not using it for damage anyways
Energy nexus definitely deserves to be higher, its just straight up decent passive energy regen and with nourish its just straight up infinite energy. Like you said it "takes up" a mod slot and a subsume, but since nourish is already basically a free slot on a lot of builds, using energy nexus doesnt hurt on ability spam builds. It may be overkill but this is actually what i use on my kullervo now instead of exodia brave, and it is very much worth the mod slot. Its better than equilibrium if you have nourish on your frame already basically
On my octavia i go though over 400 energy every 18 seconds, i use nourish, energise, zenuric, equalibrium, and energy siphon to keep myself topped up. With almost 400% ability strength.
This was a very useful video i will see about ajusting my build and seeing what i can improve.
For pseudo-exalted weapons, they do inherit the elements of the stat stick on the weapon. I tested this with Gara's kit. I actively ran Corrosive/Cold before the melee arcanes and now we can run Corrosive/Radiation/ [Cold or Toxin] with Melee Exposure to make sure that we have a favorable matchup against most enemy types. In that regard, you CAN technically kill with cold abilities and proc Archon Flow, but the frames that have Pseudo-Exalted weapons mainly don't need flow, or don't have a mod slot free to use it. I guess maybe Atlas works but even still...
Pretty sure he's also using the context of using these options in high end missions where cold doesn't actually offer much in the way of killing. Else he woulda pointed out that Frost would never run out of energy...if you're playing against lvl90s xD
interesting thought, but the cooldown and low % chance are pretty limiting factors and you’d likely be removing a better stat stick mod to fit 3 elements on, other than maybe if it’s for gara and don’t have a decent riven.
@@RathVantas While that's true, you build for Rad + Cold on the weapon and the Corrosive comes from Melee Exposure. Yes, the arcane does apply to the stat stick.
you forgot about the Khra canticle (kills have a chance to drop universal orbs), though with how effective grimoires are at killing I would probably put it at F tier
If Dante's tome is a genuinely good killing machine, I could see this go up to D or C tier
I dont get why you put purple shard so low, khora’s build is already really cramped and removing equilibrium in favor of one tau purple shard is more than enough energy and if you’re making a ton of health orbs already you probably dont need the full 110% conversion rate of equilibrium
Archon Flow counts any exalted weapons that are modded with cold as “cold damaging abilities”
So any semi exalted weapon with a stat stick melee modded with cold is now perfect for generating energy?
It can be good for excal or valkyr?
@@UmbralJack- yes. Any exalted. WuKong, Valkyr, Excal, etc
Amber shards synergize very well with frames who have huge energy bars and need a free, hands off way to fill the entire thing, I use 4 of them on Ivara (because why the hell not) and it's very good for bumping me from low to full energy in a single eximus kill
How did you rated mod that regens 3 eng per sec lower than a mod that regens only 0.3 eng per sec
I've been playing around with different energy methods, but i like Spectrosiphon on Khora and Atlas. Kind of niche because you need high enemy density, but both of those frames really only work in high density situations anyways. Both frames use it well since you're modding for range on both of them, but Khora uses it slightly better because she can force the enemies into them with strangledomes. So maybe B or C tier on them.
Duplicate bond. Not on the list. Pair it with helios and a busted deconstructor. My melee frames sp can not get enough kills over helios
Would you consider doing more of these for different categories? Like sources of power strength, grouping, armor strip, status increase/priming, etc.
Please do another Orbiter tour sometime soon every time you make a video you show something that must have inside my own Orbiter
Rage also pairs VERY well with Molt Reconstruct, causing a feedback loop similar to Renewal's. I use this combo on so many frames since I don't really have access to/don't like the other options.
Purple shard is D tier, but with dispensory, it makes it insane as the big health orbs are great. If your mod slots are full and you were running dispensory anyway its good.
so nostalgic to hear MS bgm after a long time.
OK the only question I have is how the hell are you recording ability casts inside your orbiter? I must be missing something obvious here, hu? Is it the screenshit mode thing, that I never use for anything? Except loc pins on open worlds....
The maple story music triggered so many funny memories beta testing in college
Spectrorange on Khora is absolutely insane. Also archon flow on Gauss is broken as well. I'd still keep them ranked the same thought since these lock you to one warframe
Energy nexus on octavia with nourish is quite comfortable and more mobile than equilibrium+dispensary. I find the nourish nerf a bit silly because it lessens the viral status weighting that is totally a buff but gives the middlefinger to frames that have bad economy. Maybe the prices for arcane energize will go up, that arcane has lost a lot of relevance with all the other options. still the energy multiplier nerf on nourish is quite big.
Thanks man I've been using Zenurik for the longest time and I want to branch into Unairu but I was struggling to see how I would be able to substitute out the energy gain
Edit: How did you get your orbiter to look so amazing and also what would anybody recommend as the best companion for Synth Deconstruct tagging
As stated in the video Diriga, or Hounds. they also have the benefit of proccing eletricity for Archon Stretch. For the best it would definitely be hounds simply for Manifold Bond giving an absurd amount of utility on them.
Panzer Vulpaphyla are also grear Synth companions and can give you death protection through Martyr Symbiosis
Nice video
I solved the energy issue by using equilibrium with 2 amber archon shard one for energy orb effectiveness and the other for health orb and playing without worry about energy at all
Couldn't you use the equilibrium shards instead
@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv I did test it 20% is not enough for most of my builds and I prefer the way I mentioned bc it give me all the energy I need
And sometimes I go overkill and add equilibrium sharde to the mix
Totally agree with equilibrium and synth deconstruct combo, nothing beats it, I always use it with a panzer vulpaphyla and never run into issues as long as there are just a few enemies and the warframe doesn't have the most energy hungry build. But even with the lowest efficiency it still works on spammy builds in survival missions / SP in general as there are more enemies.
Spectral was used on khora some time ago, can't say when it was but after vorunas helminth was added it's not really worth looking at.
Maybe around C tier in the past. Now it's D, does the job somewhat good but is annoying to use and you need to be at least somewhat camping, short duration (I think), short range (doesn't even cover entire Khora dome sadly), costs quite a bit so if you use too much energy it can be annoying to get back, and you loose a mod slot..
Energy Nexus is quite strong in combination with nourish, although nerfed in the new Dantes Unbound update it still works great. If you run this there is no need to ever think of energy (and no need for energize and it's hefty price tag) was S+ or S combo and is now S or A (depends on if you like to go for low efficiency or not) if you go too low you might struggle on some warframes unless you have duration.
Never seen anyone use fractured blast so would put in F or D tier. Could maybe? work on something but has to be super specific I feel like, and better and easier ways exists.
Energy Pads are S+ tier (if you feel like you can rank it) due to the fact that you don't need an ability, mod, arcane (neither warframe nor weapon), archon shard or weapon (like Tome with Xata Invocation).
If you need lots of energy and don't need warframe arcane slots, Energize and Steadfast is probably best combo without a doubt.
100 x Squad Energy Restore (Large) -- 5,000 polymer bundle, 30,000 nano spores
It's not that expensive and as you say, very effective but should maybe get an A tier for not being available when gear-wheel is disabled.
Heyo, did you know equilibrium no longer requires the synth mod to get the effect? it now lets you pick up the health orbs at full hp! (im pretty sure i tested it myself and its in the patch notes too!) (edit: you need missing mana to pick up a health orb this way)
Yeah, but deconstruct is still a 25% chance at extra orbs on ANY companion build worth its salt (specially with how many ways we now have to propagate AOE attacks on companions with the rework)
Exalted weapons w/ corrosive cold and archon flow with energize keeps the lights on
Plus, you can probably use the crit damage on violet archon shards with it
I personally like spectrosiphon on khora especially on sp as area is pretty big and i have infinite energy which rains from sky like crazy i never had problem with energy with it.
To tell you the truth, I think Spectrosiphon is actually amazing on frames that have CC or grouping abilities and want a fuckton of range.
I use it on Mag, for example, you put the bubble and then use the mirrors, mobs just run to the mirror and get stuck on her 2 like Naruto entering Haku's Ice Mirrors lmao and when that bubble explodes it's simply SO MANY ENERGY ORBS. (Same ideia for any grouping like Vauban/Nidus/Khora) I know that's not the best, but you can get a great use for it on the right frames (I'd put it on B or C cause it's niche)
im using Gara's subsume on my Xaku, with energy augment
it not only gives me a ton of energy, but also gives some survavibility due enemies shoots mirrors
I want to add tht emergence dissipate is better now since you're able to go in and out of your warframe to recast. You can cast it on the same group of enemies as fast as you can transition from operator to warframe. Imo highly overlooked
I don't have to dissipate anymore?!?
why dont you use the 100x energy pad blueprint?
spectrociphon is good on stationary khora farm, also it is one of the few cc abilities that can affect eximus units, very helpful
Kerning city music. A man of culture.
Archon flow works on all warframes with exalted weapons
Cold damage on exalteds counts as a cold ability kill
I run cold on my titania so I can constantly get energy orb drops since it lets me stay in razorwing forever as its a channeled ability.
Maplestory OST is so based
I disagree with the ranking for the voilet archon shard, primary exhilirate, and for energy nexus.
Voilet archon shards give you a fraction of what equilibrium gives, but 20% of a health orb is 10 points, and considering health orbs are almost useless for a warframe without equilibrium it's nice to fit in.
Primary exhilirate doesn't give you much energy, but if you aren't using your primary weapon for anything then it's free energy with any weapon that procs a lot of impact, like acceltra.
Energy nexus is also low energy, but has NO requirements, meaning it can be used in capture, rescue, spy, sabotage, eidolons, exploiter orb, profit taker, and mastery rank tests.
You also didn't include a styanax specter, which gives you 3 energy per sec and 40 shields per kill, but at high enaugh levels it dies instantly and it's not reliable.
There’s something very important about Energy Nexus you’re neglecting: it’s comfy! No, I’m not joking.
Okay, in more tangible terms, Nexus is energy regen that always works even if you just got yeeted off a cliff and had your buffs reset, or are sitting in operator waiting for shields to refresh, or are booking it to the objective halfway across the map; and within that paradigm, it’s pretty fantastic. Refilling your tank in between fights and capping your “ah crap, magnetic proc” downtime to a few seconds instead of betting on how well your build works without energy is a big deal.
While the most common use nowadays is with nourish, 3 energy/sec is genuinely good, to the point where it can sustain a frame like volt or kullevero without further energy support in the build itself. Sure, it won’t work for everything, but it *always* works for the builds that use it. And if you *are* running Nourish anyways, it basically replaces all energy modding short of Flow.
I don't know where I would be without Wellspring. It lasts a long time, can be cast essentially without limit and at no cost, and is good enough to at least keep you afloat in a pinch.
I use spectorage on Titania to fix Lantern. Lantern doesn't automatically draw Aggro if the enemy is focused on shooting something else, like a defense objective. Spectorage has aggro draw, so it can pull attention away from you and objectives and by proxy the Lantern.
Lantern also fixes Spectorage. Enemies that accidentally shoot the lantern will become pacified by it, even if they're outside the pacify range. They then begin attempting to walk into its pacify radius, once bewitched by it. As a result, enemies will not shatter Spectorage as often, because attempting to shoot the mirrors, which have no collision, will result in the lantern getting shot and turning off the weapons trying to shoot it.
I've successfully used this combination in Duviri Steel Path Circuit.
Notably, this combination works even with negative range because the mirror's aggro draw does not scale with range. Hilariously, neither does Lantern's AI manipulation. This turns the combination into a grouping tool due to more enemies trying to swarm into the Lantern's tiny radius, creating a fake chokepoint.
It's something that only barely works. It doesn't work as well in the simulacrum, as you'll see some enemies occasionally fail to see the lantern mirror hall, but in practice with more and more enemies, it will 'collect' most enemies for you even at longer ranges. The augment lets it pay for itself.
How do you have trouble farming polymer bundles...?
Zanuriks all I need... didn't know about synth deconstruct might farm this up
Spectrosiphon is quite strong on loki and vauban. They can guarantee that the mirrors won't break and also have there own way of luring enemies into to mirrors. But it's a very campy play style so I understand that it might not be suited for everyone.
You're also supposed to use them with zephyr's tornados to keep enemies from breaking them very easily. If all you do is throw down the mirrors of course they're going to get broken. But it's also very stationary
While energy siphon/nexus/octavia passive are weak, they can suffice, and when they do... They let you play incredibly lazily. (Well, they're an option) You can stay in one spot with Zenurik etc. (Which can be good for managing spawns in survival), but the sheer laziness of passive regen is so comfy... If you're running Nourish anyway, it's definitely worth trying. Another thing: Index/Arena, super comfy. Spectrosiphon was pretty fun with old Grendel btw., suck up 40 enemies standing in your ring, charge a faction gas staticor (RIP), let go of the charged shot exactly as 40 enemies get ejected, ALL getting hit by like 40 gas clouds. Glorious. Usually didn't actually need spectrosiphon though... They should buff Broken Scepter! I forgot it even does that.
As for energy pads... In modes where you can't use them I make sure I've got my stuff worked out, but otherwise they're really nice for when you maybe spam your 4 a bit too much farming like a zombie. I'll never use them so much that I notice a resource drain that isn't passively sustainable, though. It's kinda weird that they added these, but I like them overal, not fun to run out of energy when there's a dry spell in the orbs either, I wish they added pity timers for that and life support.
Effectiveness of health orbs from yellow archon shard affects equilibrium or the purple shard effect?
Yeah, I put one for health and energy effectiveness with a purple shard
i'd only change the place of violet archon shard since the "shard slot" its "cheaper" than a mod slot
and giving some utility at low cost
so, C tier instead of D
Energy pads past steel path and places where it’s on cooldown or disabled makes it at least D tier if not for it’s abysmal polymer bundle cost, easily F tier in contrast to just running Synth Deconstruct with Equilubrium.
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Equilibrium only works if you pick up health orbs which requires you to be hurt. This means it does not function if you're at full health. I recommend prioritizing Synth Fiber over Synth Deconstruct because it allows you to pick up health orbs at full health.
Nope equilibrium now let's you pick up Orbs even if your full in thier original category, according to the wiki.
As forest said, this is no longer accurate. You can pick up health even if your hp is full, as long as your energy isn't.
I feel like Zenurik got a bit underestimated here, Temporal Drag/Temporal shot is quite powerful.
I will give that, if you have other options for energy generation, you would then be free to explore other focus trees, but I find myself using Zenurik anyway.
You brought up broken scepter but I would include Rakta dagger and synoid gammacor (incarnon) among some of the syndicates weapons that can grant energy from affinity gain. Still range from C to F tier as some need syndicate mods for the effect but they can make a difference in early game while providing other utility effects
With how much energy gain has been power creeped, I really wish the energy gain joined the rest of club with scaling based your modded energy max.(along with making the buffs scale with your modded stats)
Disappointment aside, assuming an energy max of 140 on a base rank warframes combined with the 30 second cooldown makes it a pretty reasonable ~1.16/second, which is applied for each syndicate weapon you have in your loadout(due to each having an independent cooldown).
I'm not sure how early game viable the weapons actually are, considering they're locked to MR12, which is 422K mastery in total, and time gated by 12 days, while even the augments likely take atleast a week to get with my lazy math. Kinda depends on how efficient you are with mastery/reputation gain, and how much time you spend on warframe.
assuming every syndicate weapon in your loadout is viable, I'd probably put borderline B tier.(3-5 energy/second for basically free is a pretty good deal) If the weapons are bad, or you simply don't want to use them, I'd safely put it in D tier, because you still have up to 2 other weapon slots, your warframe, and/or your arch-gun depending on your loadout. I'd probably just slap it in C tier overall, and definitely feels fitting to be along the lines of Energizing Well, and Archon Stretch.
@@robertobear1749 the ones i suggested are mr7 and have nice utility for popping nullifier bubbles or giving overshields so they are good options for starting to invest forma at early game
Poor, forgotten Well of Life, with the pool of life augment and equilibrium
If the target dies from the buffered damage when well of life ends, they WILL spew 4 health orbs, (220 equilibrium energy) and a chance at an energy orb too
Rating zenurrik on its wellspring alone when it also has energy pulse and inner might seems... Questionable, at best. Zenurrik focus school as a whole is the easiest energy source in the game imo
Thanks to using purple archon shards, I don't have to run 40% ability strength on gauss. I still made it to over 300% duration without the extra red shards on my build as well.
Exodia brave seems really good considering Tennokai makes heavy attacks really consistent (atleast in my experience), especially with melee exposure.
I think you used Spectrosiphon wrong. Its use, while niche, is on warframes which gather and lock down enemies. You were playing Zephyr when you used it, but you didn't even airburst the enemies, which would have stopped them from breaking the ability. Generally, the popular warframe for it to be used on is Vauban, as he can almost passively gather and stun enemies, making it practically a free infinite energy source for yourself and teammates.
I would have bumped it up a tier, because it's extremely powerful when used correctly, but only viable under certain circumstances.
what nerf did zephyr recieve?
You forgot about energizing shot/mending shot, khra canticle, and mystic bond.
Good vid but a couple beefs.
If you include the synth/equilibrium combo then you should include the energy nexus/nourish combo. That is probably A tier right now and we’ll see. About the nourish nerf. Zen could be a reasonable replacement there depending on the nerf or your builds needs. It’s great for solo because it doesn’t require orbs to drop at all. It just gives you a lot of energy.
Shards are ranked a little too low imo but I guess that’s debatable.
Spectrorage is a pia. Agreed. I never liked it either.
Back when i had a 3rd of a khora build and was finishing star chart i actually used broken scepter for energy
Exodia Brave can actually be pretty good. I have a scythe zaw that can utterly murder most anything under level 400SP in a heavy attack thanks to the forced bleed proc, and it does okay getting me some energy if I need it in a pinch. Also, again, it absolutely murders things.
13:47, I would like to argue that, because Tennokai NOW exists, Exodia Brave is a little *less* painful to use/proc, yet still is a very bad arcane to slot anywhere.
11:33 khoras venari with an element mod (shock collar/frost jaw) can use archon flow/stretch to generate energy
Honestly if your frame dies fast in steel path level 200 either you're not building them right or they're not a health tank frame that is the target for rage/hunter adrenaline. Level cap sure but at sp 200? Nothing should kill you fast enough for you to not heal yourself
for me, high strength nourish and energy nexus are at the first spot. i hope the nerf will not be too hard haha
I think Exodia being so low is silly. Heavy attack scythe zaws are great, and can easily get 1 kill every 4 seconds, allowing you to sustain the 15 energy a second buff for longer. Once you get the third stack every kill refreshes the timer. The opportunity cost is using a class of melee weapons that are already good, and having to specifically kill with heavy attacks, which isn't hard especially now that tennokai is a thing. Even if you don't refresh the buff 3 kills for more than 60 energy in 5 seconds is easy and fast. It's not A or S, but it should be higher
Can you do a video like this but for survival methods, like tanking or shield gating?
does rage mod works with combat discipline?
It doesn't.
Thermal sunder Gauss would like to have a word regarding archon flow
I'd argue that amber archon shards should actually be higher, not really an A tier mind you but definitely a c tier at least and maybe even a B tier if you're pushing it. 50% might not sound like much and, yeah it's not, but 50% more energy from orbs basically makes energy orbs provide 12.5 more energy per orb (which is equivalent to a rank 0 arcane energize,) and this stacks with every single other method of generating energy orbs in the game which is what makes it good. You can stack this with literally every other energy-orb generation option and have it work decently well. The main reason why it should be at least a C tier though is that it can pretty much be used on everyone with no cost to mod slots or arcane slots, sure it's not really as good of an option as other archon shards such as red's strength or even yellow's casting speed, but an F tier for something that actually does make quite a bit of a difference is a bit harsh. Though it's NOWHERE near an A or S tier, it still does a decent job at helping you upkeep your energy without costing you a mod slot.
I love energy pads and have never had resource issues for building them. I craft 100 of them only about every couple months if I'm playing regularly
Though I have purchased the accessory packs in the past which came with resource boosters
Violet Archon Shards are mathematically underrated. If 2 Tauforged Strength or Duration shards are considered good, then mathematically the Violet Archon Shards should be considered equally as strong. Here's why:
2 Tauforged Duration Shards = 30% Duration, same as regular Continuity.
I'm making this example because it has stronger variant. Primed Continuity, a staple on most Warframes, gives 55% Duration compared to 30%. It's 183.33% more effective than the regular Continuity (30 x 1.8333 = 55).
2 Tauforged Violet Shards for the Equilibrium effect give 30+30 = 60% of conversion. Equilibrium gives 110%, which means it also is 183% more effective than 2 Tauforged Purple Shards (which have the same effectiveness of regular Continuity and regular Intensify).
In other words: 2 Tauforged Violet Archon Shards == 2 Tauforged Crimson Archon Shards.
The "you're better off doing that" argument is not necessarily true basically. However, if you need to take in account several factors with the Archon Shards (Casting Speed, Shields, Corrosive stuff, ecc) then maybe you don't want to invest your slots on those shards, expecially considering they're worth 4 Tauforged Shards in total, or 12 regular Shards.
On the other hand, if you have Archon Shards to spare/you're investing on your favorite Warframes, and you don't think you absolutely need to maximize either Strength or Duration with the Shards, then Violet Archon Shards are a sidegrade to that same concept. You potentially save a mod slot and potentially mod capacity.
Can you rank tau forged shards options?
This is a video with content in it, I watched all 15 minutes.
You should go to bed in 15 minutes
Wait enemies naturally drop health orbs?? In my 7 years of playing this game I thought that you can only "force" them to drop health orbs
a very energetic video :)
Wonder if he remembers there's an exodia that generates E?
you skipped grimoir with the cantrip for energy regen, alt fire can give up to 10/s. which is sizable for a weapon based energy source
Archon Flow works for damage ability, so exalted works too, surprisingly Excalibur can runs that