Give Me an Answer - What is the Basis for Human Value?
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- čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
- Program 0223 ................... - Human Value - Order and Design - Materialism ..............
Recorded at Texas State University - October 2022.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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Hey just wanted to say, I recently came back to Christianity and these videos are like all I watch now lol. Please keep doing what you're doing ❤️
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
@@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs And I would hope that you would come to the understanding that we are saved not by our works but through faith in Christ alone.
AMEN 🙏❤️👊
@@Theo_Skeptomai NAH he's though through those dissenting questions because they're intellectually dishonest
@@autry33 Repent of your sins Autry.
This is better than Saturday morning cartoons. God bless Cliffe and everybody involved in Give Me An Answer.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Hi …i am in Dundee in Scotland…I do street evangelism work, for the last 35 years … in a desperate town … I use your discussions to add to my script … my argumentation…my battle group …
Can you guys support me in prayer … for the lost … lost in generational addictions and low level processing…. Bless Ric
ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN SAVE …. BLESS YOUR OUTREACH…. RIC MAY
The black kid who asked about self worth seems really likeable. He has a lot of courage to ask those question that most people would not talk about in public.
There’s a gentleman who I’ve evangelized alongside downtown where we live by God’s grace. Turns out that he heard Cliffe speaking at cal poly about 35-40 years ago. I was so excited and overjoyed to hear that! Your work and commitment to Christ and truth impacts far beyond what you guys know! Praise God. I’m so thankful for you folks and love you even though I don’t know you. Such a great example of preaching the word, being ready in season and out of season
Please keep posting Cliffe! I could watch these all day! Glory to God
My problem is that I watch these videos all day? I need to get other work accomplished! :)
I wish I was there, I’d have him back peddling
kids don't know their 5 senses lol I am glad you guys are out here teaching the young ones to think for themselves
and then he acts so smart. emberrassing. what a brainlet
Good to see you're still posting new videos!
I really wish I could go to the church and meet Cliffe.. I’m a believer in Christ and he still even answers questions I haven’t really thought about or had an answer for.. very smart guy the way he answers, doesn’t get mad, and really explains things in such a great way! He’s taught me things I’ve never even thought about but makes it more clear. Glad to be able to watch and continue my understanding and devotion to God.
Pray to our Lord Jesus Christ to receive the Holy Spirit for the discernment to know what is right and wrong, for help with commitment to the will of the Heavenly Father, and to repent.
Ask for what HE KNOWS you need. -Not leaning on our own understanding as stated in Proverbs 3:5-6
love the sharp mind being performed here. Glory to GOD !!!
I’d have him back peddling
I’d have him back peddling
I’d have him back peddling
Great words, great witness. Thank you for posting this video and staying in the "battle" of witnessing to these lost souls.
It’s been a pleasure watching Stewart grow
Thankfully that young man had all the answers. Been needing him around, lol.
Man, this was like watching a hamster run in a wheel lol. This thought process is only a sure way to never find any answers to anything. The lengths some will go to live life the way they want guilt free with no fence is something.
we all have to adhere to lifes rules Lezarian, we can't all go around doing what we want.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Honestly nothing in particular he said. It's his intentions that are what seem evident to me at least. I hear a lot of great questions on some of these videos but this guy is tripping all over his own jambalaya of reasonings. It seems to result in meaninglessness.
Brotha , well said 👏, it's like knowledge will be the downfall of those who ignore facts and truth
@@kubejunkie sorry brother I was talking about one of the students he was debating in particular.
I hope I can make it to Connecticut someday soon to attend this Mans church service. He is so compelling. I wish I could speak as well as he to a crowd. I would be out proselytizing every day! Feel blessed if you found these videos. Pure digital gold all for Free.
Sir I hope u know u are VERY IMPORTANT for society …I pray long life for u …. These videos are food for our souls …Thank GOD for u … u are changing lives sir CLIFFE 🙏🏽 thank u 🙏🏽
I look forward to these episodes everyday!
You Knechtles are such a gift, another excellent video!
Love ❤️ this! He’s reaching youth for Christ with such compassion and speaking the truth in love❣️
This is better than a week at the beach. Thank you so much. GOD bless you 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
That First gentleman sure loves using the word ‘like’…he said it 28 times in his two interactions with Cliffe. Kudos to him for getting his point across 👍🏼
Thank you!
we need much much much more blessfull men like Cliff, i love him so much. greetings from germany sir
I pray for your patience to be strengthened good Sir as you attempt to turn the logic light on in this long night of brainwashed illogical "education" of the youth. College, I thought, was not to present agendas to follow without being allowed to ask any questions and ideas to memorize and regurgitate later when asked to do so for your test score....but how to THINK and use your brain to examine and critique ideas carefully to figure out if they are true, or even make logical sense. That ball was dropped hard!
Props to you for not losing your composure as rude arrogance continues to ask you questions then interrupt you b4 u can finish a sentence
What is the basis for human value.?
Cliffe Says -
We get our basis for human value from god.
My Response -
Where do we get the notion that god is the direct source, that gives us the basis, for human value.?
We don't cause god does not exist in order for us to inquire of him.
Do we get this notion from how Christianity has valued human life throughout its history.? Certainly not. The tree is known by its fruit.
We get these notions of human value from different sources.
1) Individual value of one's self comes from the individual.
2) Individual value of another person comes from the individual himself.
3) The town or city one lives in determines the value of its citizens. One town might value its citizens more then the neighboring town or city.
4) The state one lives in determines the value of its citizens. One state might value its citizens more then another state does.
5) The nation or country one lives in determines the value it holds for its citizens. One country might value its citizens more then another country.
If you want to find out what society values its citizens, more then another society, look at how that society treats its homeless population.
God is not the basis of anything, he is not in charge of anything. Man is in charge of everything while he lives in a material world. Man is the epitome of everything that is material in a material world. If we are to end hunger around the world it will be done due to man's actions.
Clifee your son has grown to be a great apologists good job 👏
God bless you Cliffe 🙏
another great one!
This guy reminds me of Todd Friel from Wretched.
On this one, I think Cliff could’ve done a better job of explaining how the 5 senses aren’t what should be used to articulate truth, but when you’re there and being confronted with students I know that it could sometimes be tough to go down the correct thought path. But over all good job you guys!
Love how so many appeal to their own "senses" even while admitting that their senses can be fooled. Hm...
when i think how i would answer these questions in a crowd.. i realize how good a job these guys do
I couldn't even imagine having to stand in front of a crowd to discuss these kinds of topics, particularly with the overall tension and outright anger and hostility that is sometimes on display... I get nervous talking to some people on CZcams when discussing these topics..
EXACTLY 💯
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf
How do you know that any experiences you have are accurate perceptions of reality? I mean, you are one of those who admits-claims to know-that his senses, upon which you rely, can be fooled, correct?
Unfortunately I am ugly and I totally feel like an outcast (hunchback of notre dame) so I do hide and wear a hoodie when I go outside because all I get is funny looks from people I’m always thinking about what others think of me and that people are staring at me and I’m rejected a lot and I just get funny stares from everyone
❤❤❤❤
Great teaching
To God be the glory.
Which one ?
@@jasonnoble7302 the one & true God that can explains reality, has the solution to humanity problems..
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌 for GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whomsoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life 🙌
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The first time I ever read that verse, verse thirteen, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, it absolutely almost crushed my face. I thought I had found a contradiction in the scriptures.
Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7 when talking to followers and believers, I repeat, he is talking to followers and believers. People that have heard him preach, teach, perform miracles etc.
In Matthew chapter 7 Jesus says verily verily I say unto you not all that saying to me Lord Lord shall be saved. In other words instead of saying for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, he is saying not all that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. When I saw this I was devastated. Then, as I read on through the chapter I realized who Jesus was talking about. Jesus says if you love me you will keep my commandments and those of you that keep not my commandments are condemned already.
I kept thinking to myself, why would Jesus say there's two followers and believers? Over and over and over again I had this thought.
Then it reads on and says for there shall Be no thieves, liars, drunkards, whores, whoremongers, fornicators, adulterers, murderers, those the defile themselves before mankind, AKA homosexuals, the effeminate, AKA transgenders, killers of the Innocent, cowards nor the fearful shall inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Again, I couldn't understand why Jesus would say this to followers and believers.
What does Paul say about the Church of Corinth in 1st Corinthians when he finds out that there is people in the church sleeping with
Mother's? He condemned them and said not even with gentiles do these things.
Then I remembered the verse if you love me you will keep my commandments and those of you that keep not my commandments shall not inherit the Kingdom of heaven.
Jesus isn't saying you have to do works to attain salvation. Jesus is saying if you have the ability to continually be a liar thief whoremonger fornicator adulterer murderer coward fearful etc you will not inherit the Kingdom of heaven because if you can continually do these things and keep not his commandments you are condemned already because you are not born again.
All of us are sinners, but a person that's born again is being sanctified and sins less and less and less as time goes by because you start to love what God loves and hate what God hates. You cannot be a sinning Christian. Well, you cannot be a Christian that purposefully and willfully commit sin all the time because the Holy Spirit Will convict your heart and if he doesn't convict your heart and bring you to anguish and give you contrition, then you are not born again.
I don't know why I felt the need to text this to you, but I just did. God bless you Larz.
I pray that the Lord lead and guide your footsteps in the way that they should go.
@@bigcountrymountainman9740 I appreciate all that you wrote. GOD uses me at his free will
Again?
Get some new material 😑😐😶🤷♂️🫣
@@jasonnoble7302 it's the message of Salvation , I like sharing it. Don't you like GODS message?
@@bigcountrymountainman9740wow my brother in Christ, this was SO WELL articulated. I believe in saved by grace, but I always wondered about that verse too. Thank you so much for your wisdom.
Cliffe was 100 percent right. When Paul in Acts went to the Greeks and spoke... its exactly the question the Greeks asked... show us this Jesus and reason with us your position. We will hear you... you will hear us and we will reason together... deeply rooted in the Greek Tradition. Platonists and the Aristotilians etc... there is a reason God allowed the Greeks and the Roman's to take power. That their development of the precursor for Reason to understand God and values etc... to lead the grounds for understanding Reveloution, Truth, deduction etc...
best channel!
That poor long-haired young man in the jeans jacket is clearly flexing with a very underdeveloped mind. I suspect he’s trying to impress someone around him. He should really stop talking so much and listen a lot more.
The amount of mental gymnastics these kids need to do to reject Jesus…
@@Theo_Skeptomai He is though just ask historians
@@Theo_Skeptomai keep doing those jumping jacks kid.
@@Theo_Skeptomai I’m sorry? Do you not know what those are?
The red-head kid was tripping but I think you guys could've been a bit more graceful in answering his questions and de-escalating because he didn't get tense until being interrupted and somewhat talked down to. This is not to take anything away, you guys do a phenomenal job to maneuver and pivot on all these questions in the middle of a crowd sometimes full of hostility, and on the spot. So great job overall, this is bread to hungry kids.
Huh? The kid was contradicting everything he was saying. Only reason why he was interrupted was because of that reason. In fact Cliffe gave him almost all the attention and answered every one of his questions.
Hai Cliff, i love what you are doing and i must say i've been learning a lot from your teachings and interactions. am really struggling sir and i need your help.
There’s no truth. Essentially that’s what the kid said.
It’s a self defeating argument. If he says he can’t touch or feel or examine it then it’s not true, it’s essentially saying that his own statement can’t be trusted. His statement was one of logical reasoning not of experiential reasoning.
21:38 Stewart I made the same face after hearing that lol
Amen!
I wish these videos didn't end in the middle of a debate. Or at least be numbered so we can find the end of the debates.
Always good stuff. I always love to think about how life would be without God. If there is no God everything is energy and matter. And nothing really matters
@@Theo_Skeptomai there's no point trying to understand somebody with a cult mentality lol
@@Theo_Skeptomai The rhetorical question you're asking is an appeal to emotion, which would be a logical fallacy. Also, saying that you cannot comprehend what Scot Jek is saying would be an argument from incredulity, which is another logical fallacy.
This also undermines Red Bones point, because while he's willing to say that he does not accept things that are not intellectual because they are "cultish", he's siding with your position which is using logical fallacies to support itself, and this undermines his position.
This would make Scot Jek's point intellectual, and all other points opposing his "rhetoric", and to use rhetoric in response would be to lower the standard of evidence, which undermines the notion that a person's position is ultimately evidence-based. It is based on bias, and therefore in its own way, is religious.
There would also be an element of immorality in the comments which oppose Scot Jek's comment, because the rhetorical question which appeals to emotion obscures the logical implication (and therefore becomes an obstruction against truth), resulting in a misleading conclusion, and rhetoric in response which lowers the standard of evidence attempts to paint a picture in the mind of observers that would be reading these comments to assume a misleading conclusion that Jek's comment is non-intellectual while the unbelieving comments are intellectual when it is the other way around. It's to influence a mindset to be dismissive without thinking the issue through, which is the direct opposite of being "evidence-based".
Thus, not only are the two comments in response factually misleading, but they seem to have an element of immorality. They are willful deceptions, and they are self-deceiving deceptions as well.
@@Bi0Dr01d Theo just said (paraphrasing) "life still has value whether God is real or not", how exactly is that rhetoric or deception?
Also, I believe God exists, what I take issue with is people like you who say "life is only meaningful if God, and anyone who says otherwise is delusional/a liar/an agent of the devil/etc" your own comment a) didn't offer any evidence either, which makes you a hypocrite b) gaslights theo by questioning their own value that they place on their reality c) itself uses the logical fallacy of appealing to authority bc you claim that anything said in opposition to your worldview is "non-evidence based rhetoric "
Also I should clarify I see bullies like Cliffe -and apparently you- who can't handle being disagreed with- as cultists. I don't see all Christians in that same light bc most Christians have enough basic cognition to understand how people can understand the world without God, which was the only point Theo appeared to be trying to make
@@redbones6046 To say that value still exists without God is a misleading conclusion, because Theo is appealing to emotion, while Scot is appealing to intellectual consistency, making Theo intellectually consistent. It is a willful ignorance that Theo is communicating. It is therefore immoral, because it is a self-deception and shifts the focus into an improper way of observing the conclusion in order to not acknowledge the conclusion.
My comment does not need to offer evidence of the value of a person being factually true through God because the video above argues this, and it is therefore up to Theo to present counter arguments, not for me to present further argumentation. The evidence that my comment offers are the arguments that point out that the conclusion Theo is making is misleading, dismissive, or willfully "ignorant" (Not stupid, but willful "overlooking").
To call this "gaslighting" is itself gaslighting. Gaslighting is to cause a person to question his own sanity, but in order for it to be truly gaslighting, the conclusion must lead a person to untruth. However, what I'm saying is trying to point him to what is most accurate. However, to reject what I'm trying to communicate by appealing to emotion and saying that I'm gas-lighting Theo is itself a comment to gaslight me.
It's not a logical of fallacy of appealing to authority, it logically follows. Just as the video says above, value is connected to purpose. Although a person can invent a purpose for his own life and doesn't need God to create his own purpose, he does need God for his purpose (and value) to be factually true, because either he's an accident, or he exists for a reason and has significance, being created in the image of God.
Also, there's a sense in which not even a person who is an unbeliever can truly claim that his purpose comes from himself, because in order for you and I, for example, to reason about these things, we're implying that depending on what is true or reasonable to believe, we will conform our lives to that truth once it presents itself in a way we can recognize and receive it. This means that our purpose is not ultimately based on whatever we subjectively decide, it's based on whatever is true, which means our purpose comes from a source external to us, hence why we are conforming our lives once truth is revealed. Since an ultimate truth exists, then it ultimate purpose exists, all of which is an alignment with the existence of God/theism.
Also, morality is connected to a person's value, because the source of crime against another person, sexism, racism, and discrimination, for example, are the cause of devaluing another person. This is why the Golden rule exists, in which "all people are (created) equal". This notion that all people are equal is anti-naturalistic. It contradicts naturalism, which is typically the worldview a given atheist or agnostic would hold who does not believe in the supernatural or God's existence.
The reason why it contradicts naturalism is because in order to value each person equally, there is no natural basis for this conclusion. For example, a person who is obese is no less valuable than an athlete. A person who is paralyzed or in a coma is no less valuable than a person who is able-bodied. A person who is considered unattractive is no less valuable than a person who's beautiful. However, if all there is to the human identity is that we are physical beings of matter and energy and there's nothing immaterial concerning the human identity, then it is precisely our physical traits and abilities that make us valuable. This would lead to the conclusion (If we are consistent) that a person should only be valued based on their usefulness or beauty, and that does not lead to morality at all, at least to immorality, because this is the basis for sexism, racism, discrimination, etc.
Therefore, in order to value people equally even though they are not equal on physical terms, a person must appeal to an immaterial aspect of the human identity to make that judgment, which is not compatible with naturalism.
Does Cliff still come to college campuses or are these prerecorded? I’d love him to come to Cornell.
He still visits campuses
Just contact them at the info given at the end of the video.
This was in October 2022 as per the description so it seems he still is.
you can send them an email
such a good video
I would love to go with you to a college in AZ Cliffe. Maybe even participate.
I like the way that you teach.
Long haired guy just wanted evidence of historical knowledge proving the reliability of the biblical text. Would of loved to hear the conversation shift to more about the archeological and 3rd party historical data and manuscripts of the gospels that backup the claims of the gospels.
Well here's topic that will have Bonnie all confused! 🤯
Are you suggesting that there's a topic that DOESN'T confuse him?
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 not confused at all Jeff, the basis for human life is a great question, and we all have differing opinions based on how we view things from our own perspective, it's far better to get along with one another and to enjoy the fruits of life, than it is to hate and fight, but humans have a propensity to disagree, therein lies the problem of humanity, but if we can engage in civil conversation that's a good thing. I would never tell anyone to stop believing in God, if it helps you in life Jeff, thats a good thing ❤
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416
As pertains to ANYTHING Cliffe talks about? ... No! But I'm sure Bonnie will show up to claim he isn't confused at all-and then go on to demonstrate otherwise. Oh snap! He already has!
@@bonnie43uk
Far better? How do you know that? You have to have some sort of objective standard by which to judge. Sadly your worldview provides no such standard. And preferences ≠ morality or better or truth, and you know it.
@@jessebryant9233 Hi jesse, well we can scientifically prove if an act is better or worse, we can do tests and compare the results to get an overview, we can even do this with moral questions. The standard I use involves asking the question "Is this more beneficial to society or not" .. eg, is it better to allow women to have fundamental rights over their own bodies, or should a select body of less than 10 people determine that they know better? I can give you lots of other moral examples Jesse.
Amen 🙏🏼
Faith and science are different finally Cliff states this
I actually can see god and feel god each and every day 🎉
I can hear him speak through my hair dryer
How do you the difference between feeling God and the a delusion of feeling God ?
@@jasonnoble7302 read the gospel’s
It all comes back to objective truth vs subjective. Christianity has the evidence. All other arguments are based on postulation.
Christianity has a lot of CLAIMS.... Not evidence
@@Jewonastick Take some time to look into the evidence. It's overwhelming and even atheist scholars agree on the existence of Jesus. Where they debate, is if HE performed the miracles, but they can't deny that even all his disciples were willingly put to death in the harshest, most extreme circumstances, after His resurrection. Would even 1 man do that for a lie? Clearly, they recognized this man was the Son of God and the fears they displayed in following Him before His death were no more. Consider how truly amazing that is.
@@dudleydooright I have looked extensively into the arguments for Christianity.
I see it as reasonably plausible for a man named Jesus to have existed.
I don't believe in any of his alleged miracles.
All we have regarding those are stories from men who never even met him and wrote about him decades after the alleged events.
Even the death of his disciples.... What do we even know about them other than what the bible says about them? Virtually nothing!
People willing to die for their beliefs doesn't mean those beliefs are true either.
History has a long list of people dying for their beliefs. I'm sure you don't believe everything they believed in.
@@Jewonastick One of the most important sources of information about the disciples outside the Bible is the works of the first-century Jewish historian Josephus. In his book "Antiquities of the Jews," Josephus mentions several of the disciples by name and provides details about their lives and teachings. For example, Josephus refers to James, the brother of Jesus, as a "just man" who was "surnamed the Just" and was known for his piety and devotion to the Jewish law. He also mentions that James was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.
Other ancient sources that mention the disciples include the writings of the second-century Greek philosopher Celsus, who criticized Christianity but acknowledged the existence of the disciples, and the works of the second-century Christian apologist Justin Martyr, who wrote about the teachings and deeds of Jesus and his followers.
In addition to these historical sources, there is also archaeological evidence that supports the existence of the disciples and their activities. For example, archaeologists have discovered several first-century tombs in Jerusalem that are believed to belong to early Christian leaders, including James, the brother of Jesus.
While the evidence for the existence of Jesus' disciples outside the Bible may be limited, it does provide important corroboration of the accounts of the New Testament and adds to our understanding of the lives and teachings of the early Christians.
@@Jewonastick One of the most important sources of information about the disciples outside the Bible is the works of the first-century Jewish historian Josephus. In his book "Antiquities of the Jews," Josephus mentions several of the disciples by name and provides details about their lives and teachings. For example, Josephus refers to James, the brother of Jesus, as a "just man" who was "surnamed the Just" and was known for his piety and devotion to the Jewish law. He also mentions that James was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.
Other ancient sources that mention the disciples include the writings of the second-century Greek philosopher Celsus, who criticized Christianity but acknowledged the existence of the disciples, and the works of the second-century Christian apologist Justin Martyr, who wrote about the teachings and deeds of Jesus and his followers.
In addition to these historical sources, there is also archaeological evidence that supports the existence of the disciples and their activities. For example, archaeologists have discovered several first-century tombs in Jerusalem that are believed to belong to early Christian leaders, including James, the brother of Jesus.
While the evidence for the existence of Jesus' disciples outside the Bible may be limited, it does provide important corroboration of the accounts of the New Testament and adds to our understanding of the lives and teachings of the early Christians.
Matthew 24:46
Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock.
Don’t forget to serve your God !!
I loose All Understanding in Jesus' name.
@@ilovegodandjesusjohn316
Pathetic
You have no reason to believe anything
@@jasonnoble7302 That was a Prayer. I believe in God and Jesus.
BELTANE - Lili
I can't repose, I've opened then
A door within my soul
And flooding through the wisdom new
Not mine, a gift for all
For wonder fills my mind all night
My body's not so strong
A vessel to convey the love
To us of Nature's might.
They call him "Demon" the one walks through
What gain has he to make?
Imparting love and joy in us
And yet they call him "snake"
He takes us to the stars and back
He bends the laws of time
We can't be hurt no fear of flame
No death for us we will not age
Life's salt, life's blood, life's wine.
He doesn't talk to us of sin
Trial or pain eternal
Of constant guilt and shame to beg
Forgiveness for being human
These things are but the things of mirth
The love for us of Mother Earth
No end of time is looming.
They teach the young that our Great Lord
Will take them to the lake
Of fire, pain and misery Awake
He loves the world, so much to learn
The little that the Faithful take
We treat their book with scorn.
Our Sabbats center round the fire
Which gives us life, we laugh and sing
And take the draught of blood, the Life
Of salt the Earth, of water, rain
And those from whom these things we take
Our Master brings into his fold
Of joy and love, the soul of Cain.
The potions there all give us strength
And lift us from the Earth
We thank our Lord with flowers, song
Dance and wine all through the night
And with the dawn we all alight
And meld into the throng.
We know, we know, what we've been told
Is pure truth, enlightenment
The Angel of the dark has gone
And when next Sabbat's slow return
We'll meet his Spirit once again.
Human life has no intrinsic meaning, value, etc. We assign our own meaning to our lives. And it is obvious to me that different people assign different opinions about life’s worth and meaning, in accordance to their preferred values and goals. Actually, we all subjectively decide certain values and worth, whether we proclaim morality is subjective or objective. Some, like myself, place a high value on the only life that we are certain we have. I also place a high value on well-being, even though I admit that well-being is not well defined.
Others empathizes their focus on some afterlife that they 'believe' exists. They claim that their moral foundation is a God. They claim that they know the nature of this God and they claim that they know what this God wants from them. Furthermore, they seem to know why they should abide by the things this God allegedly wants from them.
Those people act in accordance with those beliefs. I am saying that it is their subjective opinion that any of this is actually true. If you have a subjective opinion of something, then all the consequences that follow must logically be subjective as well.
And, even if the existence of this God were true, morality would still be subjective because it would be based on the subjective mind of this God. According to scripture, this God can change his mind and he can do as he pleases. That alone goes against the definition of objective morality.
I'd like to see the evidence supporting your first sentence.
@@drew2fast489 That’s like asking me for evidence that Pink Unicorns are not real. Do you have any evidence that human life does have intrinsic meaning?
If you really believe that, why do you show up here week after week, month after month, year after year? Nothing better to do? You're this bored? Trolling is how you get your jollies? You poor soulless critter.
@@jessebryant9233 You seem to never miss a video, Jesse. Just saying.
@@Generatorman59
Just saying what? My position provides good reasons for me caring about what people like you believe; yours doesn't. Just saying...
We as humans give the things in our lives value. We don't need a magic sky daddy to give us value
I suggest watching some of his other videos where that is covered in more detail.
Isn't make-believe fun! Tell yourself whatever you need to, bub!
Cliffe says the same thing in all his videos but I recommend listening for the arguments the students bring. Some of them are brilliant. They’re the real stars of Cliffe’s videos.
@@joecline1114 I agree Joe, the students make some excellent points. Fair play to Cliffe aswell though for allowing them to question him on any subject, it's good to watch the back and forth. I tend to agree with the students. I wish more pastors did what Cliffe does and engage with people who disagree with him, the vast majority of preachers are happy to preach to the converted in their own churches every Sunday, so Cliffe has my full admiration for doing what he does.
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Right. You can't provide one single example to support your claim... Or can you? Joe?
I understand what they were saying in the end. The gain knowledge you must use one of the 5 senses. I don’t think you were getting that but that’s okay. They wasn’t saying that knowledge or imagination was a sense, but that to gain those you just use your senses. They asked you how can we prove like a flood, well give them the examples and dumb down to the level of a college student. No disrespect or anything, i love your videos, i just understood what they was saying when i didn’t think you did. God bless!
My grandmother just recently passed and you got me worried someone might have spiked her drink.
Amen 🙏
Cliffe looks taller than 6'1. I always thought he's like 6'4.
"I Am" in Hebrew is "HA-YAH". The name Jehovah comes from a translation of YHWH which is pronounced YAH-HWAH or YAHUAH. That IS the name of God and was the first thing Adam spoke when God the Father breathed life into him.
YAH (inhale)
HWAH (exhale)
Ive heard Cliff says that if they tried to live out relativism it would soon become hypocrisy. I agree 100%. My question is, wouldn't we soon be living in hypocrisy following Jesus Christ as well? I don't know about you guys but I'm not perfect and continuously sin.
All have sinned and fall short the glory of God. The rightous fall 70 times but get back up. We all are dealing with some kind of stronghold that is not pleasing to God. The question is are you ok with living in sin and not using your faith and the blood of Jesus to overcome your sin? or are you comfortable right where you are?
This is an example where I disagree with what Cliff is saying and felt like he purposefully wasn’t listening
A non- believer often set traps to try to catch a believer in a lie, by being manipulative, by using deceptive tactics, and by plainly being dishonest. The problem with this is that a liar cannot and will not accept The Truth. So there is absolutely no reason to continue such discussion.
When can these guys come to the UK?
I'd love to have yall speak at my college but its in Canada :(
@@Theo_Skeptomai A plane trip far
9“He scatters and gives to the poor; For it is written, "His righteousness endures forever."
10 But he who gives seed to the sower and food to eat, will also give your seed and burn it and increase the harvest of your righteousness.
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A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.
Hi cliff can you do a talk on the book of revelation??
"Truth is relative. You just create truth in your head."
Is that true? Or did you just create it in your head?
There is historical evidence from a Jewish scholar called Josephus who was not a Jesus' follower in addition to the gospels in the Bible to prove the life, death and risen of Jesus. Read the writings of Josephus
3:00, 4:56 wh.. whaaa.. WHAT DUDE ARE YOU EVEN ASKING?! Da Fuq!
Graduated in 2017 and one of the people in the crowd is still there now? What?
I would have you do a very real experiment that is super simple and will help you reason logic. Blindfold the students...pic 5 different objects to waft a breeze over them. The blindfolded students should be shown and let touch smell and anything else they wish. Have them identify which is which and show them the results and attempt to show how that is absolute random chaos in action without actual ability to reason. The results will provide the insight the students will then learn how to close their eyes and think deeper and at least try harder to perceive the object being used. Try the experiment again and test the results and compare.
The kid in the baseball hat looks like a young Ben Shapiro lol.
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Well being.
I would also add, utilitarianism.
Also also, Context, Consideration and Consequence.
All of these things play into a person’s perceived “value” (either, in themselves…or their perception of another’s “value”).
But we could just boil it down to well being, if you like.
Next question?
How's my favorite atheist? It's been a while.
People feel well-being bossing others around, enslaving people, judging them as lesser and pridefully accusing them for the sake of vengeance. Relativism can’t call that wrong, it is just subjective well-being. There is no measurement for well-being, especially when people put the pristine preservation and well-being of nature above people and oppress, steal, and kill people to protect what they idolize.
Hi, how is well being connected to value?
@@Theo_Skeptomai ha! Tennethums1 is my favorite atheist on here. ( my actual favorite atheist is my cousin)
I say favorite because I like how he argues that there is no God instead of leaving us to navigate a lack of his own belief.
@@Theo_Skeptomai well, you can ask him to explain it but as for what you just said, under your chosen definitions of mythological and reality, the Christian agrees with you.
And i don't know if Tennethums1 does argue that there's no POSSIBILITY of a God (although he might). What i do know is that he approaches these threads from the position that there is no God and has arguments for why a naturalistic explanation is a better explanation ... in all cases.
Obviously, I disagree with some (but by no means all) of his arguments.
I just appreciate his willingness to admit that he's drawn a rational conclusion and argue for it.
To have eternal life with the Lord the human value and hope that we hope for to walk righteously before the Lord thy God have you turn over life have eternal life
3:18 ( identity issue and what is a person valuable)
6:36 christianity is the only religion to believe in?
9:13 ( someone in the crowd tells that is difficult to thay that this IS this and this is NOT it)
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A guy just asked my friend “How do you demonstrate any deity existing outside of time?” How would you answer?
@@twchannel7503 science is still trying to figure that question out TW, there are more things in the Universe that we don't know, than we do know. Given that we do know a lot, what does that say about the things we DONT know? How everything came into existence is beyond the scope of most people's knowledge, including mine.. there's no shame is saying "I don't know", .. Cliffe says it himself all the time, and that's a perfectly good answer.
Something can't create itself, thus for that "something" to exsist, its creation would have to been initiated OUTSIDE of, and BEYOND itself.
The fact that our reality is comprehensible points to a mind behind it's creative design
@@Theo_Skeptomai yes I have.
To be perfectly accurate, I've personally witnessed the disappearance/vanishing/cessation of something, which is the OPPOSITE of the creation of something.
So by extension, the thing that I witnessed vanishing supernaturally, also had to have been CREATED supernaturally, it just that in this particular case, I wasn't able to see that portion (i.e. time period) of it's exsistence.
For clearity sake, the "something" I'm writing about was an entity/person in the form of a human who disappeared in the blink of an eye in front of me in broad daylight.
For this event to have taken place, it would have had to occur beyond time, space and matter as we know it on this plane of exsistence. It was truly SUPERnatural.
Its a difficult question to be sure but it all returns to the fallacy of infinite regression. We can't have an infinite sequence of past events. This argues then for a first cause. Something in which all things proceeded from and by. A first cause is a "necessary" cause meaning it must and always have existed. It is not contingent on anything but itself which means it can't be bound by time.
This is especially true as we experience time in our universe. Time in our universe is directly related to the expansion of space. It is even subjective meaning it differs based on one's reference point and two people can experience time differently.
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What is the empirical evidence that empiricism is the only path to truth?
@@Theo_Skeptomai watch the video again. I don't know the students personally.
The basis for human value is human's placing a subjective value on themselves. Because they don't want to die and have empathy for how other humans feel, they not only therefore place value on their own lives, but also on that of others.
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@@robertmitchell-tv5yf does that really bother you? I mean, I could give you an answer but I can't imagine any answer will be sufficient.
People also are prideful and tear each other down, they feel chemical pleasure from judging someone as lesser than they are. If human value is subjective then empathy and value is not right or wrong and prideful judgement isn’t right or wrong, it’s relative and meaningless.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf that's not a response to my comment.
Again, does the imagined difference between God in the old and new testament REALLY bother you?
Judging by how you completely changed the subject in your "response" , I don't think it does.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf then your premise is false. There are more expressions of unconditional love in the old testament than the new and there are more harsh judgements and rebukes from Jesus in the new testament than in the old.
If the entire underpinning of your complaint is false then your actual complaint is hollow. Sorry.
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The young man asking about the flood is not even a big issue - open your eyes and believe it because it really happens and it's in history. Even those Chinese who doesn't believe in the Bible who wants not to believe cannot deny the fact that their original writing of a BOAT - when you check on their Chinese character it is written "a small boat with 8 mouths" (Meaning in a boat there are 8 people) and that writing came from their history.
@askcliffe - I'm curious... why didn't you bring up the existence of George Washington as you have done in other videos? The student phrased the question as: "why should I believe it when you can't validate it out of your own perception". I think the student was just ultimately trying to pick your brain on the historical reliability of the gospels.
Surely he doesn't want to get into how unreliable the gospels are? Finding that out turns loads of people into atheists.
@@charlesdarwin-bt6uv Actually I was thinking the opposite. In some of Cliffs's other videos he gets into details of non-Christian historical accounts of Jesus, the number of original Greek manuscripts that we have, the incredibly early dates of authenticity for the gospels, the archeological evidence, and the eye witnesses to the life of Jesus. I'm not a historical scholar by trade, but after some research I find that compared to other historical documents of that age, the 4 gospels are pretty impressive in terms of terms of reliability.
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I know what cliff claims about the non Christian historians. The point is that historians don't agree. There is nothing about anything they wrote that is evidence for the claims of Christianity. What it is is evidence that people believed an itinerant preacher called Jesus (not that he could have been, it would have been Yeshua) that existed and preached an apocalyptic message and that he was executed.
That's an entirely unremarkable claim. I'll give you that as a starting point if you like but it doesn't get you anywhere. People exist. People get executed. People have religious beliefs and some of them preach them to others. So what?
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The number of manuscripts makes no difference. That's a fallacy you've used right there.
They aren't early. Paul is quite close but he isn't an eye witness. The Gospels are all decades later than the events.
You don't have any eye witnesses either. None.
How did you test the reliability? I suspect what you did was use a fallacy. If you took Homer and found that Ithica existed. That we had discovered the site of Troy etc, would that mean that it was reliable in it's claim that Achilles was dipped in the river Stix to become invulnerable Exept for his heel? No. Sorry, but you have no way to rest the reliability of the core claims of the story. Confirming a story is set in a real place and contains accurate cultural detains doesn't tell you the story is true. That's a fallacy of composition.
@@charlesdarwin-bt6uv Well those are the same test used for Historical accuracy.
What was Cliffe's "basis for human value"?
The presumption that humans are made in the image of God.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 But "the god" is a construct of humans and what they think "is moral or immoral". There isn't any actual way of knowing what any existing "deity" would consider "moral or immoral". It's just interpretations and beliefs.
@@DRayL_ you asked a question, I answered it to the best of my ability.
I'm not sure what else you want.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 No, you did fine. I was just replying. I understand that you believe it.
@@DRayL_ I more than believe it. I'm absolutely certain that Cliffe's "basis for human value" is the presumption that humans are made in the image of God.
That WAS your question, right?
There is so much evidence of the flood...
No Cliff. That isn't how it is with science and faith. Because they both methods for determining questions about the external world. Faith doesn't tell you why. Faith is the justification for accepting a reason why. And those reasons are in part in relation to external reality.
Bad start as usual.
😂 10:50 he still got her name wrong. Im not trolling i just enjoy observing non verbal reactions
“Professing to be wise, they became fools”
Romans 1:22
I love God and I'm sure there's an explanation on this but why didn't God just cleanse Adam and eve after they ate the fruit?
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If God created "Let there be light" and there was light...
What was God thinking when He said, "Jesus"? 😊
Kids know how to gaslight that for sure.
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