Cliffe Classics - Student says, "The New Testament is the Work of the Devil."
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- No. 34
Recorded - Fall 1997
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics
Everytime something big happens in the world people pull out bible verses that foretold the events, people rarely ever pull out any other "spiritual text", The Word of God is supreme, Jesus Christ is Lord.
When you can prove that lets us know
@@jasonnoble7302it's called "have faith" for a reason, it wouldn't be faith if you could always prove something without a doubt, just have faith, Jesus is King of kings 👑
@@imWillJ
Let me understand what you’re saying here.
I’m to have faith that the bible foretold big world events because ?
@@imWillJ
Where did I say %100 ?
Why do Christians always claim proving something means %100 ?
That’s just a dodge buddy
Prove :
demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.
"the concept is difficult to prove"
You cannot do that ?
@@jasonnoble7302 man, did you even listen to what cliffe talked about? Watch the video and LISTEN! All the prophecys in the bible came out. So will the things that have yet to come. The intro of the video is all about NOT having proof but logical and strong arguments...
the ways people find to justify their evil is truly fascinating. "love the parts you hate about yourself". what? "cheat, do drugs, whatever. love yourself, dont hate." if you hate those parts you'll stay away from them. you dont have to indulge in your dark side to overcome it.
the ways people find to justify their religious notions is truly fascinating also.
I know what you mean.
The way Chrstns justify the evil actions of Yahweh, and the genocide committed by Chrstnty throughout history, is amazing.
@@williamwightman8409 trigger warning and potential convict. Who are we kidding, ex-convict.
@@jackalsgate1146 trigger warning and potential convict. Who are we kidding, ex-convict.
@@black-cross
Lmfao . . .
Cliffe is just always so well spoken
But just makes stuff up on the spot....
@@philipcoates9185for example...?
@@philipcoates9185how?
@@lovrobelosevic6092 he ended up saying thats a good question each time and couldnt answer them...ended up having to pass over to his son who still couldnt answer...none are academically qualified to answer...it was all "the bible says this or that, the lord said this, jesus said this...all from a book written by stone age man with no proof whatsoever...EVER....
@@lovrobelosevic6092 by saying the first thing that comes into his head
Cliffe has been doing Gods work for years!! God blesss him
I hope to see him in the Uk sometime soon ❤️
Cliffe is exactly what we need in this country . I hope I’m knowledgeable enough to give good answers to important questions when someone asks
I was that guy at the end, unsure what to believe. How i can I see god as loving? Until Jesus met me where I was one day. I undeniably felt his presence, there is no logic in his presence. Just love.
God bless you I’m glad you have finally found him
People want God's love but have a problem with his justice side.. Its his nature. God cannot watch injustice happen. Infact if God didn't find any solution to d problem of evil throughout d bible, u should have a problem with him. A loving person is just and fair and that is what God is. That is y God had to die on that cross, that is why he has to cone back and destroy all evil. Wether its bloody or not, it doesn't matter bcuz its about d eradication of evil. And a loving God should destroy evil. D man at d end wasn't being honest. People cry out and say why is God not stopping evil. When u ask dem to read d bible and show dem instances of when God stopped evil. All they see is d violence and not d good act of destroying evil. By that logic of his we shouldn't have a justice system either.
Blessed be the name of our Lord Jesus Christ for your conversion!
You mean you are like that guy, or you are indeed that guy?
Such an amazing discussion.
When the student brought up Noah, I definitely would have asked him to tell me the story, because no one was denied entrance to the ark. People watched animals walk in groups onto that ark and still didn't believe.
Its wild to me, and yet, we do it now. I pray students were touched by this discussion and are saved when God comes back to judge again.
Also certainly didn't happen
Yes. Noah preached to whomever would listen for decades, to repent and come into the ark.
@@Rainb0wDEltayep. It happened exactly as recorded.
@@jamesbrice6619 A global flood for which there is zero achaeological or geological evidence and every kind (?) of animal being reduced to two survivors and diversifying to what we have now?
Where is the evidence, I ask.
@@jamesbrice6619 Also, what happened to the dinosaurs, plants, and sea life?
Without lies atheism dies
Preach it, sister!
Loving and nurturing bad qualities is the wildest thing I've heard 😅
It's a very new age teaching, actually it comes from Jung and a lot of Eastern thought.
And yeah, it's very self-deceptive.
@Adam_A_Christian Yeah. How's embracing bad something you wanna fix gonna fix it. Being able to dentify that something is wrong and dislike it because you see it for what it is is the first step to fixing it. None of that nurturing nonsense. Do we nurture kids to kill them? 😂
sounds like the direct product of self centeredness.
@@Adam_A_Christian
Congratulations for literally polluting the concept of eastern philosophy and the Jungian concept of the personal shadow.
Maybe . . . you should stick with things you're not completely ignorant about.
@@jackalsgate1146its pretty stupid too nurture your bad qualities💀😂
Minute 6:43 My friend, I grew up in a muslim household and never was a muslim. I've been a follower of Christ for 2 years now. Jesus is the way the truth and the light
Praise God 🙏
@@rafaelrolino Amen. All glory to God
What would you say made you find Christ over Islam? One of the biggest arguments muslims make is that "God can't be 3 in one" as if he's limited.
@@ChrisPPotatoIDC I became atheistic when I was 14/15. After that I found my way to Christ through prayer and reading the Bible.
@@ocean7849 Blessings, but you grew up in a Muslim home I assume, how was that like coming to Christ?
Don't put your faith in a word put your faith in The Word.
Jesus is the only one that could pull me up from the bottom I hit. Al mighty counselor. Prince of peace. I hope everyone can walk with him one day
It is our responsibility as followers of Christ to inform them of the good news this is good to see and we need more.
Always had feelings of Christ being my lord and savior but this year I fully accepted it and have been chasing him. Cliff’s videos helped bring me back after years of aimless wandering, God bless you and your ministry. I hope to someday meet you and thank you for helping in bringing me back to the light through God’s amazing grace. 🙏🏼🩷
That last guy seemed to have missed the fact that God provided over 300 years of warning before the flood. And God provided a way out. He told them to get on the ark to be saved. But only eight people heeded the warning.
Where does it say 300 years? I just reread Genesis, and it doesn't specify.
@@Harbingerofd00m Sorry, I was mistaken, it was 120 years. Noah spent that amount of time building the ark and warning people about the flood.
Even d Canaanites. He gave dem 400yrs to stop sacrificing babies on idol alters... When people read d verse where God in his anger asked d Israelites to wipe dem out all they see is d violence and not d evil those people have done. With 400yrs of warning. Even at d end of d day. The didn't wipe all of dem out bcuz it was just am hyperbolic statement when he said they should annihilate dem. He still allowed many of dem to live. People can't see beyond their thoughts
every single isntance of destruction that was layed apon the earth there was always a warning and always a way out up to the last minute.
when noah built the ark,he BEGGED poeple to come aboard with him
when the destroyer came apon the firstborn of egypt got provided a way out for jew and egyptian alike could have put the lambs blood apon the door to avoid it and thier home would be passed over (likewise all the plegues could have been avoided if pharoh had let Moses and his poeple go)
nineveh was going to be wiped out due to thier sin...but it could have been avoided by a simple warning,and in this case it actually did when they listened to jonah.
and now we have jesus offering litterally everyone a way out....and for 2000 years his words have been begging those to trust him.
what this tells us that God always gives us a means of escape before judgement.
Hi Cliffe love your stuff. You knew my Uncle Vin C. from Blackrock. Heard all great things.
A God is not good if he is not just.
People calling the God of the Bible as tyranny would be the same people who will riot and protest to seek justice.
Well sir crime needs to be put to end and brought under justice nomatter how much you love the criminal. That is being a good God and good Judge.
Is it “just” for me to go to jail for my son’s crimes ?
@@jasonnoble7302i dont really get your point, are you talking about how Jesus paid for our sins? cause if so, that was mercy and not justice.
You are not demanded to pay for your sons debts, but he chose to, out of love
@@ssscrm9828
Hey good job buddy 👍
Justice is not mercy
So explain to the class how God is just and merciful at the same time
I predict an equivocation reply coming my way 😎
@@jasonnoble7302 he is merciful in giving us an oportunity to repent for our sins and return to him, by accepting Jesus' sacrifice, but just in punishing those who dont cause theyre bringing the consequences to themselves.
Justice says: you did wrong, you pay for it
Jesus says: ill pay for his debts
its still under the justice, someone is taking my punishment, paying my debts for me. and i repent to prove to the justice that i am willing to do good.
While someone who didnt accept his sacrifice will pay for their own debts.
If you dont want to take his "out of jail" card then youre paying for yourself and thats just fair cuase the punishment has to go somewhere
@@jasonnoble7302Justice is not mercy? Huuuuhhhh? Youre making oxymoron comments. What's with all the cognitive dissonance?
i could listen to cliffe all day🙏
😂😂😂😂😂
I love watching these videos, you can see how much the style has changed over even just a few decades
I really admire what you're doing Sir. Truly a blessing and a challenge for me as a follower and servant of Christ. Since I've watched your videos i learn a lot on how to share the Gospel into much logical and simple way.
People want God's love but have a problem with his justice side.. Its his nature. God cannot watch injustice happen. Infact if God didn't find any solution to d problem of evil throughout d bible, u should have a problem with him. A loving person is just and fair and that is what God is. That is y God had to die on that cross, that is why he has to cone back and destroy all evil. Wether its bloody or not, it doesn't matter bcuz its about d eradication of evil. And a loving God should destroy evil. D man at d end wasn't being honest. People cry out and say why is God not stopping evil. When u ask dem to read d bible and show dem instances of when God stopped evil. All they see is d violence and not d good act of destroying evil. By that logic of his we shouldn't have a justice system either.
Thumbnail matchs the title. Cliffe be thinking "what in the world are you talking about?"
The truth never gets old. Gods word will never fail or go away, it’s eternal, the truth is eternal.
AMEN 🙏👊❤️ . It's good to see videos of younger Cliffe from the 1990's and early 2000's when people were more chill and respectful. As humans we're limited by our physiology and temporal reality but God isn't limited by anything but Himself if The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob exists. Imagine not believing in a Creator in 2023. SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. I love brother Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry and I'm glad you all enjoyed their studies of biblical history and Christianity. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
I'm not reading all that
@@matthewmurd0ch Didn't ask you to 😂
Simply its impossible for non life to come from non life by itself. Nothing dead can just form into life by itself. Life and creation with all the beauty variation and design is such an obvious example of all the evidence we ever need that for a superior intelligence to be the only answer. And God has the perfect answer, nice and simple in the bible, explaining how. Especially in the book of Genesis.
Which also makes it so simple to believe and trust that God raised His only son Jesus from the grave.
Romans 10:9.
Still telling the lie that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics?
@@morelions4014 Exactly 💯
God bless you Cliffe you truly are a conduit for Christ
Last guy raised a lot of good points and was very challenging!
Cliffe Rocks!
An ambassador of Christ.
I do not believe I have ever heard 'love the bad things in you" before. That has confused me beyond comprehension
The last guy would have been a tough one… but your approach was just brilliant and honest. Something that’s kinda funny, the fact that people applauded the last guy just affirms his belief is the status quo and he doesn’t even see it.
He didn't seem tough either. By his logic we shouldn't have a justice system... If he has a problem with a just and fair God. He should have a problem with d Justice system that sentences a thief for years for a small sin. Or life sentence for a murderer for murdering just one person out of 8 billion people...
Even wen we read d book of enoch, we see how evil d world was during Noah's time. Infact it wsd soo bad that. People where no longer humans they had mixed their DNA with angels and demons and they wild drink blood, eat each other. It was horrible. If God hadn't wiped d earth that is wen u should have a problem with him
Thank you for your goodness Father… your Just Wisdom allows me to live worship and openly praise you today. I don’t understand your wisdom but I trust it.
The gentleman in the hat questioning God’s wisdom and judgment must never have lived in a home with a mouse, or ants, termite, roach or any other unwelcome animal. He would have ‘never’ eliminated them to prevent them overtaking the home.
Cliff brought the heat with that African American take.
The guy saying you must love your dark side is kind of on the right track, but still missing an important thing.
Love overcomes evil. God's love for us despite us being evil, overcomes the evil in us.
The notion that you can overcome your own evil by loving the evil in you is just another way of making man into god.
I reject Muhammad's teaching because of the actions of Muhammad.
Random question but all jokes aside Cliffe seriously… what camera do you use? And where can I buy it??
“Me me me I I I more more more” 2nd guy
Jesus wanted us to deny ourselves and follow him
So many of these people don't actually want to listen or have a dialog. They just want to make their own point.
till now I can only see and notice the twisted nature of the back pack guys philosophy and lines of thoughts. what the hell is he saying was what I kept asking myself. you become better by nurturing and loving the evil within you? if you talking about loving yourself as Christ describes and prescribes then we talking a whole totally different game. oh good God am still laughing real hard. as humans this guy is one of the people that prove we are becoming dumber. really amazing was checking if it was me who was mishearing what I was hearing Omo wahala o e choke.
And I just want to ask you Sir, Because I am curious about this. For me it's amazing that you don't often use to say in the argument or in your explanation about the devil, that we have spiritual enemies, why so? Thanks for your answer and i apologies to the grammar. Keep safe and God bless to you and your family Sir🙌🙏☝️
This a honestly one of the best examples of how faith exists far past what people think.
Also the seconds crusades were retaliatory after the first crusades by the Arabs that resulted in the desecration of the grave of Paul within the byzantine Empire and the sacking of Jerusalem. Literally it was purely for the sake not being killed by an ever growing Arab Jhad that at that point in history sacked, plundered, and destroyed over 14 what would now be called countries.
God bless this man.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
Got to Love Cliff...
18:23 - 18:27
John 6:66 happened. Cliffe was talking and we're standing behind the questioner. Immediately cliffe said "Christ died for the truth", they turned their backs and went their way
Did you know the Bible allows for slavery, murder and genocide?
WTFLIP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 🤔😕😑?
@@TboneWTF
Well, not really... But are you saying that you believe that those things are objectively and timeless wrong then?
@@jessebryant9233 Of course the Bible states this. The Bible 100 percent says this. Google any of these words with "Bible" and see how many results come up. Also add: "misogyny, and forced intercourse".The Bible is a deviant and malicious book my friend. It has no place in society.
If your nurture something....it will cause it to grow. Why on earth would you want to nurture and love your horrible qualities? That would cause them to grow and thrive inside of you. It would cement those qualities inside of you. Why would you WANT to nurture the racism in you? You love and nurture your good qualities and ask Jesus to help you snuff out the bad. Eventually, those good qualities will grow and overtake you and the bad will flee....because evil can't thrive surrounded by goodness and love.
The story of the judge and his friend was nice.
Amen, Praise the Lord, Cliffe!
Lets talk about God wiping humanity with a flood.
God is just and loving. You shouldnt play with his patience. Do not think that we are forgiven without a day coming that he wont forgive us because we all know Jesus will still come back and there you cannot change.
God also is just and there should be a time where he executes justice. God is also loving that He wants people to turn away from sin.
In Noah's case, he warned the people of the coming flood! (Hebrews 11:7)You see, they were given a chance to turn away from sin and join Noah in finishing the ark and board with them. They were given days before the flood.
It's valid because most of the time when God is mentioned in the Old Testament, He tells prophets to warn people of their sin and that those people should turn away from it. Many times have they rejected. Since they rejected, they get the wrath of God.
This is an act of love. Telling and warning people of their sin and giving them a chance. However, there is an act of justice. Since God is the only deity, he also must be the one to execute justice.
In the end, there will come a time where the flood will happen.
This also the same with today.
Though God is willing to forgive us anytime, there will still come a time where that forgiveness wont happen, The Second Coming of Jesus!
God has patience, but because of Him being just, patience is now truly defined. It means there is an end to what He is waiting for.
Jesus has given us the opportunity to repent and receive Him as our Saviour and Lord.
Do it now! No time for tomorrow. God Bless. I thank the Holy Spirit for guiding me.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Hello, Robert. I appreciate your bringing up this topic.
I find myself encountering confusion regarding your definition of sin. However, based on my understanding of your statement, I would express it as follows:
To clarify, sin is not attributable to a specific entity; rather, it is the consequence of an action.
Throughout history, God has been present with humanity since its inception. From what I gather from your comment, our current challenging circumstances stem from the presence of sin. It is inherently tied to choices-specifically, the pivotal decision made by Eve regarding whether to eat the forbidden fruit. This act of either obedience or disobedience marked the commencement of sin. The existence of free will necessitates the availability of choices, and thus, God placed the tree as a manifestation of this fundamental aspect of human agency.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Since the beginning, God only wants good for our. Now that sin has flowed through this mortal plane, God wants to restore us. A simple thing would be to follow Him by His Word.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yfLook at the historical evidence for Christ. And the NT writers are really Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
OLE'DE but GOODIE✡️👏✝️
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That man is very confused
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God -that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
Oh, you cut the video one minute short.
If you justify the existence of the devil, you gotta justify Jesus
There's only one person who knows what he's talking about there, and listen to Cliffe and not your disrespectful comments! God loves us all and wants us all to be with Him in Heaven to live in Heaven for eternity! God doesn't want anyone to burn in the lake of fire and brimstone! John 3:16 in the KJB/KJV! Believe in Jesus and take Him as your savior and live in Heaven with Our Lord Jesus for eternity! With 🙏's and ❤.! (8 people were on Noah's Ark and God was in there with them)!
You know Hindus say similar things about their religion right ?
@@jasonnoble7302hindud are completely different they do t believe in the God thatvis all true and knowing
The great commission keep the good work
Lucifer whom we call the devil was a beautiful cherub in heaven before he got kicked out with a third of the angels with him. Therefore he has been also in the Old Testament as well. Jesus came to earth via his mother Mary immaculately and holy. John 3: 16, 17 proves it. Amen.
Yo! Where they been hiding this brother? Subbed. Blessings.
He feels he is obligated by his parents to reject Christ is what he’s saying and needs Cliff to pick that up and say eternity isn’t about the past, it’s about accepting the revelations God gives us.
@@Theo_Skeptomaijust watch the video man.
What would the young man who thinks God is a tyrant do if one of his family members is murdered? No doubt he would want justice if it meant the death penalty or life in prison. There must be a punishment for evil. Apparently, he cannot grasp the extent to which Christ endured by dying on a cross for sinners who deserve punishment.
Nurture goodness not evil, dude think. And don’t ignore the free gift of faith of salvation because of a hypocritical Christian or non Christian. You’re basically saying you are willing to go to Hell based on what someone else did or didn’t do, that’s ridiculous, the young mind.
There is no comparison between God and man/hitler. God is the Creator, He has created life and ended life since the beginning of time because He is GOD period.
Romans 9:14-16
“What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Certainly not! For He says to Moses:”
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
“So then, it does not depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”
You’re just making an equivocation fallacy
You claim to know what is good but you claim it is different for God. Something is good or it’s not good PEROID
One kind of good for God
One kind of good for man
Oh Lisa 🤦
@@NewCreationInChrist896 Jason might be one kinda sociopathic and psychopathic
@@jasonnoble7302
Every human being has a God conscience unless they’re psychopaths. Atheists can’t define morality without stealing from God, Periodt.
@@jasonnoble7302God decides to show mercy whoever he chooses cause he knows our hearts he knows if someone is willing to listen he'll show his mercy but if those who arent he'll punish them for disobedience
12:36 Dude just doesn't want to move away from his life of sin
Christians read The Bible, follow and believe in Christ and moreover fear The Lord.
The rituals, buildings, titles, traditions and all therein is vanity.
The Commandments reveal our wickedness.
Christ redeems our wickedness.
@@Theo_Skeptomai All of humanity, genuinely. I addressed Christians because it's the professed "Christians" who seem to fall for the most deception.
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No idea if anyone can help me out but earlier today (December 4) my pet died. The day before my mother said he was really sick. Today in school I got a fever from no where. So I went home, 10 minutes after I came home my pet died. He didn’t die alone bc I came home, was it god or just luck that I went home?
Ecclesiastes 9:11...
Calling it the work of the enemy is sort of blaspheming the holy spirit, the work of the holy spirit should not be contributed to the work of the enemy, as it is written, whoever speaks a word against the holy spirit cannot have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin
I would suggest that you Google Gotquestions on blaspheming to Holy Spirit and check Cliffe's video "Give Me an Answer - It's Not Just About Keeping The Rules - New York City". If blaspheming the Holy Spirit were that easy, then practically no one would get into Heaven.
I urge you to really analyze your idea of what "blaspheming" the holy spirit means. If it were so simple, we'd all be doomed. I'd like to point you in the direction of Exodus. God sent plagues to punish Pharaoh for enslaving the Israelites. Pharaoh had multiple opportunities to repent and free the slaves, but even after endless plagues, Pharaoh refused. So what did God do? He hardened Pharaoh's heart and doomed him to die. Pharaoh was never going to make the right choice, but Pharaoh had freewill. God being just would never take that away. Pharaoh ultimately took it away himself. It is my view that one of the purposes of that story is to illustrate what blaspheming the holy spirit really means. And my advice is to never assume another human has committed that sin. It's not our place. As soon as you judge others you condemn yourself. Jesus said that plainly in the gospels. Believe it.
You guys really corrected me on this one I appreciate it😅👍
@@Warrior_Of_Yahweh You are welcomed!
Exactly!
Life and death lies in the power of the tongue
And so many mark their own destruction !
Prove God exists. No, I am more than satisfied with the evidence before me to be convinced God is real. If that evidence is not good enough for you, prove Him yourself.
I got you 😊. AMEN 🙏👊❤️ . It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
Nice dodge
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I deny you your "Gotcha" opportunity? I'm not so much dodging you as I am turning my back on you.@@jasonnoble7302
@@justingary5322i can tell by your comments thst you know your history very well brother thats good its important to know that history and the bible connect caude thier all link to prophecies that are being fulfilled
Cliffe's answer regarding the Flood question was inadequate and incomplete, yes! God did judge evil and every life on earth was evil except for Noah and his family, but that's not the main reason, the main reason was that they were all Nephilims, according to Genesis 6:4 Nephilims were human and fallen angel hybrids, when the fallen angels interbred with human women they gave birth to giant humanoid beings called the Nephilim, who had a courrupted DNA, God had to destroy the whole world because the whole world was infested with Nephilim, and Noah and his family were the only ones with pure human DNA, God wanted to preserve the entire human race through Noah and his family, indeed God is a good and loving God.
the guy at 14:00 had all the same and right variables just used the wrong formula
Part 2?
That one student had me lost
wow if you ever wondered how anyone could look Jesus in the face and clam he was doing the work of the Devil there you have a real life on film example of how the Pharisees used that against him as a reason to execute him despite knowing he was pure and innocent of any real crime. its amazing how you can just see the hardheartedness of people and how determined they are to reject the truth, no matter how logical it sounds. it so sad but that's why god will ultimately shut the door on them because its their shear stubbornness that will lead them to hell.
Did you know the Bible allows for slavery, murder and genocide?
amen, scary stuff !
To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul,you must BELIEVE/ TRUST The Gospel of Jesus Christ,1 st Corinthians Chapter 15 verses 1-4.Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day.Jesus Christ’s Shed Blood is what saves you when you Believe this plan of salvation with your heart.Romans 3:25 “ Faith in His Blood”.
People rarely look at man as man was wicked n unrighteous in the days of Noah.
What can I tell someone who doesn’t agree with the Bible where is says that all sin is the same?
Someone told me if your gonna tell me that lying and killing a bunch of people is the same your crazy.
For the millionth time, God wouldn't and didn't flood the Earth. And this is one of the dangers of Protestantism: it focuses on God's (non-existent) anger, teaching that a loving God would wipe clean the face of the Earth if the inhabitants were wicked. Unfortunately, this leads a lot of potential converts away from the true faith.
It’s unfortunate that it would lead anyone away from the truth. True faith comes from reading the Bible and believing what God says is true. Which I whole heartedly believe the Bible I read is the truth. God does have anger and even jealousy. But he is also very loving and just God. He warned people before the flood and gave them a chance to be saved. Another example is when he destroyed sodom and Gomorrah because of their wickedness but he saved Lot. They were also warned too. Now comes the final end when Jesus Christ returns the second time to save those who believe before earth is completely destroyed. Revelations is God giving us our final warning to repent and turn to Jesus before it’s too late.
Angels were mating with people bro
2:53
that pretty much sums up how i feel...being a christian doesnt mean doing what the church tells you,it means doing what CHRIST taught you.
too many well meaning christians are duped into seeing the church as an athority on par with the scriptures and teachings with jesus...that roman catholics made that mistake and look where that has led them.
that guy going on about self hatred clearly does not understand the difference between hating oneself and hating ones actions,mindset or immoralities.
how the hell can it be helpfull,let alone necessary to embrace and nuture a bad habit like racism? self reflection and awarness is not the same as hating ones self.
That brown dude with the brown and white sweater was so confidently wrong and contradicting😂🤦🏾♂️
4:06 IT'S 26 years later
I want to find the light
Has the Church passed any reforms that prevent priests from abusing children? I know this is a serious problem and has been for decades.
I don't go to a church
@@justingary5322 I don't blame you. The Church is a breeding ground for deviant and child abusing priests. Never leave a child alone with a priest. Good luck my friend.
"The Church" is not spoken for by the Roman Catholic heretics. Saying you MUST get baptized or you're not saved, you MUST take the Eucharist or you're not saved, you MUST tell your sins to a priest who tells you to pray certain things to be FORGIVEN for them, saying Purgatory exists and you can pay for your own crimes after you die in order to enter heaven, etc. These are all false teachings. These are teaching a false Jesus. Because it is Jesus alone who saves, by grace and faith alone, not by works, lest anyone should boast.
Edit: And like Justin Gary5322 said before me, you don't need to go to church. Jesus commanded us to spread the gospel, not go and pay a church what little money you have, and listen to their interpretations of the Bible. It's YOUR responsibility to read and understand the Bible.
@@TheRealTrucido Christ has been dead for over 2000 years my friend.
Yes it has passed many reforms. Many more reforms than say, the public school system has.
However, Baalzebub was also in existence before Abraham, don’t you think it would be easy for the “Angel of Light” Baal to appear as a man and proceed to state “before Abraham, I AM.” Not claiming to be God, but claiming to be before man. Also claiming to be one with God, we are all one with God, especially during ascension. They are already ascended, don’t you think it would be simple for THE LORD OF HELL to repel demons? The very beings he commands? Don’t you think if God was near, they would already have fled? Instead of requiring a command to do so? -This part is important ->Why would he change WATER (Remarkably Significant to be the most valuable resource in the world, revelations reinforces this) INTO WINE (Which many times is stated to make one a fool and does not follow the body’s nature and “treating it as a temple.” !! Modern Judaism is Zionism, Baals following. Why do so many Bibles still use that? Why do Modern Jews follow the Babylonian calender? Why do we use a Pagan calender? Also, it is said the “Antichrist” will rise from the sea, and he will be accepted with open arms. Baptism is metaphorically rising anew from the sea, and Christ is accepted with open arms. He is in every major religion, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism etc. which I remind you, have caused the deaths of many billions throughout history. The angels also warn of practicing the 7th day as a holy day. Also, he calls for IDOLATRY. Pure and simple, we should not worship man. I don’t like to believe I’m right, but I fear I may be.
I’m aware how late I am but I feel like this is an important point. Jesus was never sent here to be a role model. Yes, he certainly did teach a great many lessons on how to be better. Those are important gifts. It is however important to remain true to the Word. He was sent to save us from our sins. We are incapable of being perfect like Jesus was. Using Him solely as a role model will have you missing so much of His message about humanity.
What was solely his message?
Atheism is nonsensical
Exactly 💯. AMEN 🙏👊❤️ . It's good to see videos of younger Cliffe from the 1990's and early 2000's when people were more chill and respectful. As humans we're limited by our physiology and temporal reality but God isn't limited by anything but Himself if The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob exists. Imagine not believing in a Creator in 2023. SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. I love brother Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry and I'm glad you all enjoyed their studies of biblical history and Christianity. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@justingary5322 I agree with everything you typed and Kent Hovind, does talk about the things that you do too.
FR I don't get it bro like its not only sad to think we have no purpose but science in itself proves Gods existence because even science says Something can come from nothing, Atheism is just people hoping God doesn't exist so they can do whatever they want
What’s the argument for that?
@@Champurrado_
Science proves Gods existence?
Are you joking 😂
Cliff! 🗣🗣🗣🗣
Amen 🙏🏼
1st time seeing cliffe got pissed :)
The guy in the cap ate cliff up! Damn!!!
I want to ask him how does he think people got saved before the year 1517. Before that, Catholicism was the only form of Christianity in which you literally had to pay money to get to heaven. Do Christians think that all people who died before 1517 went to Hell? Protestant Christianity is very new from a relative standpoint.
Catholicism was not the only form of Christianity. Christianity was all over the middle east and down in Africa, long be for Catholicism. Catholic church was not all bad but became corrupt over time, so much so that there was a reformation, a return to true biblical teaching, without indulgences, and unbiblical doctrines, and refusing to allow folks to read the scripture. But even in the time of apostasy, people got saved just as always, by placing their trust in Jesus Christ. It doesn't take a denomination to save a person.
Jesus is King no if or but about it
AMEN!
there is something i want to pick on from the last guy.
He said that he doesnt know who to believe in and that he just cant be sure.
The first thing that came to my mind was the evidence of christ and the evidence that an intelligent mind must be the cause of the big bang because it doesnt make sense that something arises from nothing(Quantual fluction if I remember correctly from my physics class). So evidence says god exists and evidence shows the credibility of christ and his teachings and i have faith in it. Also when he stated his unableness to decide I thought it to be useless in contrast to him taking pride in it. It isnt something to cheer about,its rather sad because there is evidence for certain things but not for everything.
Then another point about the love and righteousness of god.
He disagreed that god is righteous with his own definition of righteousness and that god isnt just in his jugdement on the people who died from the flood.I certainly disagree and say that we cannot rebel against god and his commandments for two reasons:
1. We are his creation and he can do unto us as he pleases,but doesnt because that would be unfair. He wants us to go from evil to good for our sake so that we can live with god who knows for certain what is good for us,contrary on how we cannot be sure if what we do is correct
2. The point with the flood can also be said about hell.Why does hell exist if god is loving and is just? Well first of all, he gives us the freedom to live life seperate from god and hell is the extension of life seperate from god. But not only those people who want to live seperate from god go to hell, but also those who do not follow and love the real jesus christ(and love others as ourselves) , For by grace we have been saved through faith(Ephesians 2:8) and if we have faith in the wrong god despite the warnings of christ, We will certainly go to hell for that. But my point is that he brought the flood on these people not because of his tiranny but because of his love for his people. It wouldnt first of all be fair if they could step on gods foot and not get punishment despite them not aknowledging their mistake and trying to do their best to follow god and believe in him, without some kind of punishment of rather a consequence.That wouldnt be fair, thats why he did the things he did in the OT, because he loved his people but had to judge those who he loves in righteousness.The OT often seems so different from the NT but thats just because he couldnt do it another way.God maybe wouldve send another flood to cleanse all evil of the world for justice`s sake but doesnt because of his covenant with Noah.
I hope that this may help those who seek opinions on it just as I did, and I hope that this may help someone, despite me certainly not being a genius in literature or a professor in bible study, with their view on christianity or with their walk in life with jesus christ.I hope you have a wonderful day,God bless you,Amen
Also I would love to hear feedback AND critique from you, as we all search for the truth
12:22 my brother. What is the sin of the devil? Self worship. Look how self-centered this position is. And that which teaches you to go outside of yourself is of the devil? My son. You’re not thinking about what is good, you’re thinking ‘what is good for me?’
Cliff is right on alot of topics except the fact that he once said "catholics who accept Christ are our brothers in Christ." That simply isn't true. Once a person genuinely accepts Christ they no longer call or consider themselves Catholic because having ANY sort of attachment to catholicism is satanic. Catholicism is utterly and completely idolatry and satanic and any root to it is satanic. We are NOT brothers in CHRIST. He's right on alot of doctrines except this. I completely disagree with that. Catholics are on the same level as other cults like Jehovah witnesses, muslims, mormons, 7th day adventists, harry kushners, Buddhists, etc.. The Bible says in
2 CORINTHIANS 6:14 "What communion has light with darkness..." and (1 Corinthians 10:19-20) their idols are literally demons, and (Psalms 115:1-8) tells us they are serving a different god than OUR GOD which is in heaven. And so much more. DO NOT BELIEVE every social media influencer who starts preaching that catholics and christians can unite because that simply isn't true. Catholics are NOT saved, they are in danger of hellfire.
Jesus said his house would be a house of prayer 🙏 wonder where???? Be more self aware ask him where???
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Im catholic you don’t leave the church because of Judas you eat the bread like Jesus said
Are you the same Cliffe who got owned by a young bright articulate student called Marci when discussing the origin of the earth and God?
Not being religious is so based we need to normalize being a non-denominational Christian. John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him I am the way the truth and the life no one come unto the father except through me”
Or 1 Corinthians 1:10 “Now I beseech you brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment”
So we can't put our faith in Christianity but can put our faith in Christ!?
Christianity, decided to remove and place certain writings in the Bible and we ate not taught teachings of Christ beyond basic forgiveness...
As such Cliffe is a contradiction.. hes a Christian who doesn't believe in Chrustianity and argues Christ teachings were undermined by organised Christianity...
Classic
Apostle Perer was a Jew by who's Church God made a help for His people on the earth.
Law-forsaker false apostle Saul was also a jew who wrote letter.
(Now besides four Gospels and The Book Revelation)
4:46. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, 2:79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, -(Quran)