20 Things You Didn't Know About Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) Part 1
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I liked the movie. The scene where the Scimitar slowly decloaks and Worf reads off the tactical report, to which Picard says “she’s a predator” was awesome!
Riker's "Are you fucking serious?" look was great too.
@@ScopeGuardPony 😂 I can understand the 57ish phaser banks because they may be needed for coverage. Unlike the Enterprise that has arrays and provides that coverage. But the 25+ torpedo tubes is insane! The storage for that many torpedos is nuts!
@@AdamBrown1980 true. It was a warship though
Yeah given the enterprise was probably refitted for the dominion war that says a lot…. Probably more powerful than a dominion battleship 👍👍
Tom Hardy was woefully under appreciated, he did good by his character.
Sela seems like a bit of a no-brainer in retrospect; she's high up in the Romulan Senate, gave them the information on how important Picard would become in the future and therefore they should clone him etc. Seems like a lost opportunity.
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So true
Perhaps even better? Sela and Shinzon working together, perhaps even a romance - make their goal less evil - make the morality more ambiguous so we connect more with the antagonists
@@JohnnyWednesday yeah, I'd watch that!
@@JohnnyWednesday or simply she s he's sexy older lover and they just like being evil together!
I always loved the bit with Worf and Riker when Worf PRAISES the Romulans for the first time in his life. And Wesley almost wasn't even in the movie at all according to Wheaton's autobiography - Stewart went to bat for him with Rick Berman.
Also, yeah, three words to unsettle anyone: "Rick Berman thought."
Worf admitting that the Romulans fought with honor is my absolute favorite moment of Nemesis.
I think giving the directors chair (for a film that should be the final hurra for this beloved cast) to a person who has no clue about Star Trek and didn't even care was the most egregious error of this film. Many of the cut scenes were really great and concentrated on the cast. I would love to see a Frakes Cut.
Well they didn't know it would be the last hurrah
Well, "giving the director's chair to a person who has no clue about Star Trek and didn't even care" had worked for The Wrath of Khan (back when it was assumed to be the last TOS movie), but Nick Meyer made sure that the story was age-appropriate for the actors, keeping the battle between Kirk and Khan far more intellectual than it had been in Space Seed. And he did the same thing when he returned for The Undiscovered Country. It's debatable whether or not Meyer ever "got" Star Trek, but he did get that the cast shouldn't be getting into intense shootouts and physical stunts. (Shatner, on the other hand, tried to do exactly that in The Final Frontier, and the results were about as convincing as they were in Nemesis.)
@@MAMoreno Nick Meyer did a great Job.
I have the Making Of of Nemesis at home and Stuart Baird seemed more concerned with adding action scenes and the cinematography of the "Shinzon rapes Deanna in a Turbolift"-scene isn't even in the movie.
@@toval76 As the (far more successful) 2009 Star Trek movie showed, Baird was on the right track for thinking that the films needed to have more action if they wanted to win over general audiences again. But the Next Gen cast was the wrong group for the Trek movie he wanted to make. Let the man make a movie set in the Dominion War with a younger ensemble, and I think you'll see a much better film.
@@toval76 Also, unlike Baird, Meyer actually gave a damn about Trek and actively sought out advice on how to make it more faithful.
Baird just didn’t care. At all. And if you have a director that just didn’t care enough to actually make a Star Trek movie feel like a Star Trek movie… it’s doomed to fail.
i enjoyed this film. all things have issues, and all things can be picked upon. i enjoyed all films.
Every film?
Actually liked this movie, and Tom Hardy is very underrated in this movie .
I didn't like the movie, but I'm very happy that it didn't end Tom Hardy's career and that he got to do amazing things afterwards.
I was still a kid when this movie came out; it was the second Star Trek film I ever saw in theaters (the first being Insurrection), and I probably saw it way before I'd ever watched the bulk of TNG (though I'd seen quite a bit of Voyager by this point and all of the prior TNG and TOS movies). I remember loving it when I saw it, and though my opinion of it has deteriorated since (I distinctly remember loving it more than First Contact at the time, which baffles me now), I still enjoy it and, while I don't consider it to be great Trek, it definitely is far from being my least favorite Trek. I definitely enjoyed the action and some of the humor in it, and while I wish this wasn't the final outing for TNG in cinema (far from the high that Kirk's crew went out on in Undiscovered Country), I'm glad that the Picard series picked up some of the loose ends to give us a better conclusion, particularly with Data.
Personally, I liked Nemesis far more than Insurrection. The film used elements from Star Trek II and Star Trek VI and had an excellent space battle sequence.
The deleted scenes can be read in J. M. Dillard’s novelization of the film. In the behind the scenes segment of the novel, its revealed that Preator Shinzon initially meant to be Jean-Luc’s son.
Too bad Starfleet Battle Force Omega (noted in the movie) never appeared. It might’ve seen Capt. Robert DeSoto (from the TNG episode Tin Man) and the USS Hood back and given fans a look at the USS Archer.
Given that Star Trek II & VI’s story elements can be seen in Nemesis, its too bad that, just as Capt. Sulu’s USS Excelsior appeared to back up the Enterprise at Khitomer in The Undiscovered Country, they should’ve had Capt. Mackenzie Calhoun and the USS Excalibur show up to back up the Enterprise E ; it would’ve been a great (and private) Easter egg for Trek fans in the know. Shelby and Robin Lefler could’ve been seen with Capt. Calhoun telling Zak Kebron : “Let’s even the odds!” Then , to Mark McHenry: “Take us in.” 😀🖖
Yeah, Insurrection was a snore. Apparently, the writers proposed a story idea that would pit Picard against Data but Patrick Steward shot it down. This one probably appealed to him because it gave him the chance to be a romantic lead, but yeah, not great.
I don't see what is so wrong with this movie, I loved it. The battle scene between the Simatar and the Enterprise was a great in the Star Trek universe
The only problem with the battle is the ineptness of the helmsman of all ships involved. Warbird smashes into Enterprise .. all of a sudden shields down .. it was a "Meh" moment
The Remans were stupid both in concept and design and everything that happened on that planet at the beginning was stupid -- especially the Argo, it is ridiculous to suddenly have a land vehicle of today in a franchise that never even hinted at their existence. B4 was also just as stupid, after all of Dr. Suings secrets are out there was still a prototype that only the Romulans knew about. And the battle was just a play on Star Trek 6; at least Troi was able to make herself useful targeting them for Worf. Oh, and let's make up yet another new and stupid radiation, modern science was closing the door on how much believable BS could be concocted even back then.
At least the opening music was good.
Meh!
@@HammerJammer81 I'll stick to my guns
@@athrunzala6919 this is true in a nutshell but I have to stick to my guns on this one lol
3:22. It's obvious how they could have brought Sela (Denis Crosbie's character) back. She should have been there instead of Commander Donatra who is a villain at first then turns against Shinzon to help Picard. It would have been a great opportunity to see Sela redeem herself. They also missed an opportunity to explain how the Romulans got a sample of Picard's DNA. Again, they could have said it was taken when he was on Romulus when he and Data searched for Spock (Unification), which incidentally was when we last see Sela. It would have been a nice connection picking up story threads from that episode and bringing then to close. Also, considering Spock wanted to see the Romulans and Vulcans come closer together culturally and philosophically how apt would it have been that Sela was now aiding him in that rather than trying to destroy his work.
The Duras sisters got a sample of Picard's scalp when he was Arbiter of Succession.
@@tetravega567 And they were in league with Sela. Excellent point. Forgot that.
I saw and thought the same thing the very second that Donatra appeared on screen.
I am a total Dina Meyer fan, but we didn’t need her in this movie.
I think it could have gone better with some more actual Trek lore worked in. Have the Shinzon plot be started by Sela who would know decades earlier than anyone else how important Picard would be. It would also explain why it was abandoned since she fell from grace with her failures. Have the Scimitar be a modified Dominion Battleship to explain how oppressed slaves managed to field a giant super ship. Have the WMD be metagenic to tie it back to Picard and why Shinzon would pick it to draw in Picard and to eventually use it on Earth. Also ditch the dune buggy.
I agree with the Dune buggy and most of this though I was thinking of Tomalak rather than Sela, as the classic Romulan who would go well in this.
@@rharris4736 I like it though not sure the actor was still with us at that point.
With so much cut from the film that would have given it far more depth, I would love a cut that restored this.
3:26 They could have wrote Sela as the main architect behind the Picard clone. I mean who but her would have the forethought to do such a thing. The truth is the Romulans would have been hard pressed to know Picards rise to power w/ in SF. But Sela pulling that trigger would have been excellent. I would have made her appearance at the very end perhaps on the ship you finally find out its her doing all this in the back scene w/ the Picard clone just being a crucial part of the plan. Total gasp moment. It was her plan to take out the Senate... i mean just lazy they didn't even try. I just thought of that on the toilet. Just now.
Hell i would have brought back Tomalok... someone google if he had died when Nemisis was shot but if he were alive that would have been a great add. Perhaps in an equal gasp moment Tomalok could have been on one of the Valdor War Birds coming to Picard's rescue! Jesus I'm on a roll.
@@aurorajones8481 Katsulas was very much alive in 2001. He appeared in an Episode of Enterprise in 2003 and sadly died in 2006.
I would guess another reason they didn't use Sela/Tomalok is because they would need to pay the original screenwriter(s) who devised those characters for their use. Same as the Tom Paris/Nick Locarno issue in Voyager.
@@aurorajones8481 I wouldn't put him on the Valdore- but maybe leading a fleet to assist (but too far out to make it in time for the Bassen Rift fight). I mean, seeing a d'Deridex or four performing rescue operations with the Ent-E & Valdores would be a nice touch... heck, have a Starfleet relief force coming in, under another legacy character- Commodore Jellico, perhaps- with Picard or Riker telling them the Romulans are (still) allies. (I mean, for the eye rolls alone having Jellico interacting with the TNG cast would be worth it.) But we'd get some ship porn, as well as a good setting for an extended epilogue.
Though with Sela, I would've not have her in the main film- totally go end credits scene and have it be her reviewing the data of the events, then walking into the Senate chamber to begin an announcement, staking her claim as "interim" Praetor while Senatorial elections are held.
My favourite thing about this film is the enterprise bridge set. It looks amazing with proper displays for lcars controls rather than the usual perspex etc, if only the rest of the film had been that good and the subsequent star trek series we got looked like it!
Interesting THANK you Trek Culture and Sean for this first part
I love this movie.
Nemesis is legitimately my favourite Star Trek film and I’ve never understood why people hate it so much.
Would you believe that the idea of this script came from the books The Return? If they had stuck to that story, the ROMULANS had cloned Kirk and put him against Starfleet. The Borg were ROMULANS allies and GUINAN had commandeered a doomsday device to attack the Borg.
Um spoilers......smh
I actually enjoy Nemesis! Seeing the Enterprise E crash into the Scimitar is up there with the Reliant's broadside attack and the destruction of the original Enterprise above the Genesis plant for me!
The one's I least like is Final Frontier and Insurrection
One of my faves. Watched it last night again.
I remember watching the DVD extras of Nemesis, and there being a tribute to Goldsmith; was utterly devastated as someone who had just dipped their toes into the world of music, and composing, and them being an influence. His scores are timeless.
actually they're mostly in 4/4 timing....
*another composer whose work you would in all probability appreciate would be that of Vanjelis...while he is no longer earth bound his work has always been stunning*
For every person these days that hates on post-Berman Trek and "longs for the old days with Berman", I give you Nemesis, a movie that, by pretty much HIS mandate, had its heart and soul almost completely ripped out of it to hit a run time of less than two hours. There is a fantastic Star Trek movie in Nemesis, but so much of the characters were left by the wayside that it just comes out hollow.
Sean's videos always flow better and feel more natural when he isn't on camera.
Gotten stick for it. But I actually enjoyed this film.
Now would be the perfect time to release an extended cut of Nemesis considering it's 20th anniversary this year.
On another note. I saw this at cinema and it had the scene with the captains chair with the seat belt with Picard saying "It's about time". When it came out on DVD, this was a deleted scene. I wonder if TrekCulture could find out why for the 2nd part?
That atrocious scene was probably the reason why I never rewatched Nemesis. I didn't even know it was deleted. 😂
1:02 Hell, I wish they had gone this route! One of Nemesis's biggest blunders was the staircase scene being written as though we the audience would just know that Tom Hardy was supposed to be what "young Captain Picard" was meant to look like.
Me? All I knew was "random, bald human" and "I wonder what Picard is worked up over" and it wasn't until Dr. Crusher said he was a clone that I had a clue what the previous scene was supposed to have been about.
What would be awesome is if they did an Animated What if version of Nemesis were it's Commander Sela that performed the coup to take over the Romulan Empire and lead the forces against the Federation. Would be a good proper send off for the entire cast including Crosby, would also give Tom Hardy a new role such as a Captain that comes to the aid of the Enterprise.
That could work; I mean, I had issues with Shinzon's motivations. So, you wanted to meet/get ahold of Picard to save your life- gotcha. Wanted to rise up against the Romulans who treated you and your adopted brethren as third-class citizens, right there with you. Want to destroy Earth- wait, ya lost me. (Seriously, wouldn't the bigger beef be with the Romulans- who, theoretically, he was now in charge of... except the military, evidently.)
As a fan of all the Star Trek editions (TV and films) I personally thought Nemesis was one of the better ones. I always thought it (thankfully) helped the franchise end on a good, darker note despite some earlier goofy films, in the same way that ST6 The Undiscovered Country did it for the original cast film franchise. Data's self-sacrificing death may have been a tiny bit too close to the storyline of ST2 The Wrath of Kahn, but it didn't take away from the power and tear-jerking impact of losing a beloved main character. You could say, just as TOS was on some level always about the relationship between Kirk and Spock, so TNG was always about the relationship between Picard and Data. After Nemesis came out, I rewatched a lot of the old TNG episodes with this in mind and was surprised by how many deep on-screen conversations the two characters shared over the years.
Peace.
I'm looking all over the place for Part 2 and just realized Part 1 was uploaded today, so it's probably not here yet, lol. I thought I was losing it.
I really like this movie! I don't understand the hate.
I saw this film TWICE in theatres... Simply because I wanted to see it in both theatres in the town i grew up in to see if the Classic theatre built in 1949 would give it any sort of coolness
0:55 I dunno. I really liked Nemesis. I thought it was one of the best TNG films. Of course its not perfect but sadly perfection is...hard to accomplish.
I think it's the second-best TNG film, but that's largely because Generations and Insurrection make The Final Frontier look good by comparison.
You forgot to mention that the an extra saucer model for the crash scene would later showed up on Enterprise, in "Regeneration" in the Artic Circle when they find the Borg in the ice.
8:50 - 8:54
That is cool that Sir Pat and Tom were on a set for ENT, I can't tell which set that is, based on the "clapper" it could be during ENT's second season/series.
Did anyone else notice that in that picture of Hardy and Stewart in the audition process, that the background is the NX-01 Enterprise set?
Maybe it's because I had a crush on him growing up, but I always liked the fan theory that Wesley was wearing a Starfleet uniform because he got the dress codes for the ceremonies confused, beamed to the Earth venue naked, and it was all that was available on short notice.
I know everyone hates Nemisis, but I always liked it. I like it, because it was so Romulan dominant, my favorites ST race.
Holy hell.... 4:29 with Guinan. Is that RO?!??!?! And yea, piss on the haters...I loved Nemesis. Tom Hardy was amazing, he had Picard's mannerisms down perfectly and wasn't just makeup called a clone. The best battle sequence EVER in TNG making Shinzon feel like the perfect foil for Picard, and finally gave the fans their reward for years of "will they or won't they?" with Riker and Troi. The only issues I had were Data dying/the open door for his return and the alternate ending not being added after Picard leaves B4.
The added footage missing (45 minutes) would have made the film a lot better as they should have put another 30 minutes back in. Hopefully a longer version will be available on DVD.
I would love a remastered cut with all the deleted footage
The intro to this...Idk, maybe it's something wrong with me, but this is tied as my fave next gen movie. I even rewatched it recently. Idk why people hate it, I think it's a a great star trek movie! 🤷♂️
I love nemesis and it's still in my top 5 trek movies
Good video. Very sad and I cannot understand why they cut so much, because, as you said, it would've added many things to the charakters.
Data's death in nemesis does contradict the final TNG episode in that Data is alive in the future...
This is the star trek movie I have seen the most of because it was on TV the most and that's how things use to work. I never felt the movie bad
Actually Jerry Goldsmith's final contribution to TREK came for the Las Vegas Experience Borg Encounter by writing a revised Borg Queen theme.
I think he took the "shut up, Wesley!" line to heart and cut all his lines just to stick to Picard's memorable quip
There is fan speculation that Sela is why they tried to clone Picard, and when Picard, Data and Spock exposed her attempt to invade Vulcan, Sela was removed from power and “taken care of” and the next leadership decided to get rid of Shinzon in the mines.
I would've liked to see Sir Ben Kingsley as Shinzon. A bit of an RSC reunion of sorts, as well as building all those times Kingsley was mistaken for Sir Patrick.
It should’ve been Sela that facilitated the coup of the Romulan Senate … instead of some unknown conspirators. Wish Commander Donatra had more of a backstory…loved what little we got of her character and those gorgeous VALDORE warbirds
I would LOVE to see the cut footage! Beverly Crusher was criminally underused.
Thanks.
I can imagine Denise Crosby's request for Sela to be written into Nemesis being announced to a room full of assembled Paramount producers. Then there's a moment of silence. After which the room explodes in raucous laughter. Which lasts for a good solid five minutes. They stop and get on with what they had assembled to do. It's never mentioned again.
Casting Hardy to play a younger Great was ballsy and paid off well in this movie
Tom Hardy was a brilliant choice.
Tom Hardy was great! It's just the Pansey Purple GIMP Suit that made him less threatening...
Unpopular opinion: it's actually one of my favourite Star Trek movies.
My personal order for TNG films are First Contact (obviously), Nemesis, Generations, Insurrection. Generations took a long time to grow on me. The first part with Kirk disappearing is very good, but his actual death is a bit pants.
PS Do your homework. Baird who is an editor got the Nemisis gig because it was in his contract with Paramount that be able to direct a film. The had paid so much money for Patrick, Brent, Tom and Jonathan, they could not afford to get a big name director and had to settle for Baird.
The last scene between Data and B4 is very touching and a good showcase of Brent Spiner's acting skills.
That's all that really comes to my mind in praise of Nemesis.
They couldn't find a way to write Sela in? Oh that's some insultingly obvious bullshit. The story is tailor-made to feature Sela as a major supporting role, if not a secondary lead. The enemy is a disruptive figure taking over Romulus by foul means, having been rejected by Romulan society. They have a grudge against Picard, and know intimate details about him and his crew. Sela is _palpable_ by her absence.
This is me favorite star trek movie
The similarities to this guy and Bane, are uncanny. He has almost played the same antagonist twice.
I want a 2h7m full-length release.
Nothing cut, give me it all, add that 50mins back in
I'm so unhappy that Tom Hardy suffered as a result of Nemesis because he was absolutely *brilliant* and if I had a time machine? I'd go back and tell him (still stealing his lunch though)
Did you know that Tom Hardy was dating Linda Park fron ENTERPRISE at the time, and Nemesis was being filmed in the next lot?
@@BeyondtheRailz - I didn't know that - Tom deserves recognition for his contribution to science fiction - and look at him now! absolutely knocking it out of the park :) I hope he accepts some more sci-fi scripts in future - we need him!
Like i mentioned before, the acting had never been an issue from anyone in the movie. He was a 1 time villian we should have seen more of, like Sybok.
@@BeyondtheRailz - agreed, yet another fantastic character not graced with a worthy script - we should start the church of star trek to fund such things. All power to the engines.
Ya got my vote. I want ENTERPRISE to come back for a 4th seasons going all in on the Earth Romulan War with actually seeing possibly the Klingons being involved in a small way?
Opinion seems harsh on Nemesis but when me and the wife watched it on cinema release we really enjoyed it. She loved Tom Hardy and loved seeing him play a broken Picard. I generally enjoyed the story and thought the new effects were very good indeed. Love seeing the newer Enterprise again. It was touching to have the death of Data as well and was completely unexpected. A great film
I'm curious since this was being billed as a "Generation's final journey" (though a sequel was planned), if Spock was ever intended to be part of the film. When Picard and Data left Romulus in Unification Pt. 2, Spock remained behind claiming he still had work to do. Then prior to Star Trek 09 we know Spock was still involved in Romulus. So logic presumes Spock would have been around for something as big as the overthrow of the Romulan Senate. I am curious if like Generations and Trek Beyond Spock was originally supposed to be involved and things didn't plan out.
And the fact they couldn't find a way to include Sela is just stupid. They could have made her one of the warbird commanders who has second thoughts and redeems herself in a final act of acting Shinzon's ship.
Alas.
actually, by Tom Hardy himself commented that the role for Shinzon was granted to him since he send a casette for audition as Shinzon but all his lines was delivered while he was totally naked. so i guess thats why he was choosen since they claim the read was so good they forgot he was totally naked on screen acting.
I don't think anybody was upset about Wesley not getting a speaking part🤣🤣🤣it's Wesley 🤣😅🤣😅🤣
"What the hell went wrong?" - They hired Stuart Baird, and that's where it went wrong, so very, very wrong, it needs re-mastering with a pre-existing trek director to repair the damage baird did, I've rarely watched the film because it just feels so damned hollow knowing there's more character-building moments hidden away that he just noped out of the final product....
I love this movie
I like this film... I do... but giving Tasha Yar's daughter a role, and having Stewart playing Shinzon, could have been an awesome movie!
Honestly, for a movie that features a lot of Romulan intrigue, I don't see how they couldn't have found a role for Tasha's daughter?
I always found it surprising how Sela didn't play a major part in Nemesis.
Come on Paramount+ we need a Star Trek: Nemesis Extended Cut.
Nemesis remains a textbook example of what happens when the creatives aren't properly invested in the creation.
I always wondered why Dr Crusher did basically nothing in this movie. Turns out it's because the director cut it all... 😔
Tbh Nemesis was my first Trek thing I saw, only after that I faound out about TNG, DS9, Voyager etc. and I liked the movie, I still do, propably just for memories it brings out, but nontheless I still enjoy it.
I loved the ramming sequence, and the film wasn't all that bad except for the intro dune buggy sequence.
I think Sela could've replaced the Romulan commander who helped Picard defeat Shinzon
I liked this movie a lot. It gets a lot more flack than it deserves, and frankly, just seems to fall victim to being geared a little too much to casual movie goers, and less for those going to see it specifically for it's being a Star Trek film. That is something that could have been resolved by keeping some of the deleted scenes in, and possibly writing and filming more that focused on the characters and their arcs, but what we did get was good (e.g the idea of Picard finding out he had a clone and Data finding out he had another sibling, along with Riker and Troi's wedding as character development scenes.) and I think that gets overlooked too much when the movie receives criticism from some fans
In hindsight, it's silly that they didn't consider Patrick Stewart's son as he's an actor and looks like a younger Patrick Stewart
The guy that turns to stone at the beginning, was that Jim Robinson from Neighbours?
It’s a good thing there wasn’t another sequel where we met… Picard’s other clone, *Shinzoff* 😅🤣
Mayby i am wrong but why was there never a director's cut released of this film? With all the character building scenes?
I really like this movie. Maybe because we have almost two Picards in it and he is my favorite Captain.😊
I remember when the script leaked, and after a while it seemed like everyone settled on it being a bad fake, but it had to be. An ATV chase, a bad ST2/3 rip off, yet another invisible ship, and then the trailers dropped...
Hang on a minute! The last we see of Wesley he //specifically/ leaves Starfleet with The Traveller so he couldn't be serving on a starship in any capacity!
I had bought the Fullscreen DVD and Weasley literally wasn't in it. I only noticed him when I watched it in widescreen.
I quite enjoyed Nemesis. It's not perfect but it was still better than most if not all of the odd numbered Trek movies up until that point.
Tom Hardy was great.
The idea of nature vs nurture was novel, both for B4 and Data and Shinzon and Picard.
The special effects, for the time, were pretty good.
There was a really solid starship battle.
Data's death was done well but much like TWOK they had a get out if needed in the form of B4.
I hope one day they'll release a great director's cut.
I read the book at it was fantastic.
"Wesley originally had a speaking role" 4:30. Wasn't that Wesley speaking, or rather screaming for his life just after the Es veiw screen/ windshield was blown out? Wasn't Wesley shown riding shotgun just befor that? I always assumed that was him yelling Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh! as he flew out the hole.
And hell, we didn't ever see him after that for like 20 years. And at that point at the end of Picard season 2, he had Traveler powers again. So even that appearance doesn't refute that that was him screaming as he flew out the windshield.
This one was honestly the best movie in the franchise.
The deleted ending was WAY better TBH 😬
Liked this one much more than Insurrection. Didn't realize there was so much hate for it.
I have a picture of me sitting in Shinzon's throne. It was majorly uncomfortable. The Trekcetera Museum people bought it ages ago. Sadly it closed down in about 2018 I think and they auctioned everything off.
Nemesis was ace. The studio decisions to cut chunks out of it was terrible. Hopefully, one day we'll get a Snyder cut.
I still quote Tom Hardy (as Shinzon) to this day: "Out of my SIGHT !"
The second time I saw this was on video tape on a square screen TV (flatter squarer tubes were somehow good) but even in letterbox format it still cut off Wil Wheaton at the wedding reception.
Show Me The Wesley!
Data is as integral to TNG as Picard is. I understand that Spiner thought he was too old to play the part but this to me just feels like a cop-out. To me, he just didn’t want to do it anymore which is fair enough. They could’ve had his emotion chip also adding an ageing subroutine. If it was explained well enough, we the audience would’ve swallowed it.
Yes, the whole movie is supposed to be the swan song of TNG crew but it was handled so poorly. I can only hope that their very final appearance in Picard will give each one the send off that they deserved back here in Nemesis.
*probably was getting really tired (or bored) with having to answer the same questions at every comi-con he attended by this time*
I liked it. Patric Stewart playing both parts sounds goofy...but I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled it off
Despite it's flaws, I still really like Nemesis. The director of was not a star trek fan cut and scenes from the film that would have helped flesh out the story a bit. Regardless the battle scenes with the Scimitar are fantastic and still hold up to this day.