Mappa Mundi - the worst world map?
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In the 13th Century, some people made this world map, and it was rubbish. Were they bad at geography? Or is there an intriguing reason behind the map's odd shapes and images?
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Can't believe that taxi driver wouldn't take you to Babylon, his fare would have been insane
South of the river, innit?
It's three score miles and ten!
Looking it up online. One estimate for a 3000-mile trip (the approximate distance between London and ancient Babylon in Iraq, but conveniently the distance between NYC and LA) is about $17,000 (a couple did it for $5000 with an agreement). Add in an extra $4000 for the extra 500 miles, and maybe another $4000 for all the issues traveling across countries and into the Middle East. $25K seems reasonable. Just make sure to stop by the Turkish Embassy to give them a heads up. And, maybe get a deal with the UK government to allow you to visit Iraq. So another $20K to them and maybe $40K for publicity to follow you.
@@TimThomason What about the tip?
@@immoloism Tipping is not common or expected in Iraq. In the UK, it is common to round up to the nearest pound.
The biscuit eating at 1:49 was simply incredible...
Not a very efficient method though...
@@rock3tcatU233 They're British, they live by the rules of thier buses.... Not very efficient and you're gonna be late no matter what.
Hehehe I loved that
I died laughing at the unnecessary drum and bass beat and the fast explanation lol
Appeared out of nowhere though…must’ve been a mystery biscuit
That is absolutely NOT ptolemy's map. That is known as the "Admiral's map" and it's from 1541. The mistake comes from the fact it was shown in a compendium/translation of Ptolemy's works that included other annotations, from the 1500s. This map was an annotation, not original work from 100AD.
Eso explica por qué Ptolomeo conocía América en 100 AC.
The fact that you could see bits of the New World on it was a dead giveaway.
I had a heart attack when I first saw that map. "No way" - me
yeah, seemed weird to me too. greenland? 100ad?
yeah soon as i saw America on that map i was like 100AD?really?
"i'm very fucking clever"
amazing
Jacob Macaree Ptolemy-insert date here
It was the highlight of pretty funny-filled video!
"It's just a map, what harm could it do?" - European colonial powers drawing borders
EmmaLiza Middle east:
Ouch.
But I thought multiculturalism works...
whats a map will it show me a pot of bones at the end of the rainbow??
The last part really scared me.
This show is pretty great, guys.
It's a channel, Jim Carrey
Its a show on a channel.
he's also Tom Cruise now.
VGnerd I
Ærik Bjørnsson I agree with your bio
BRING MAP MEN BACK
Well, you've got your wish, they filmed some in the past week or so
I second this
Nat Tr New episode today laddd
Boy do we have good news for you
Nat Tr They did!!!
Did he get a mystery biscuit?
Oh yeah...
From his grandmother. I don't know where the old lady gets em from.
MYSTERY BISCUITS! (Oh yeah!)
*(Plays Mystery Biscuits Theme)*
Biscuit that man!!
Don't know if it's been mentioned in the comments already but the bearded figure with mixed genitalia, a turban and a single breast is probably mythical figure Tiresias who slapped a pair of snakes and got turned into a woman for 7 years.
Tiresias also became clairvoyant after being blinded by Juno for taking Zeus's side in an argument they were having about whether men or women have the better end of sex, asking Tiresias to settle the argument because he had experience living as both.
Bump
My guess was either Hermaphroditus or Ardhanarishvara, but the latter would be a pretty big stretch for a map made in England.
well 2 curling snakes, somebody says DNA?
And what was the answer?
Im curious as to whether or not their story was told as a punishment in the time when such gods were actually worshipped. Its quite common, sadly, in Greek and Roman myth to find the stories corrupted by christian influences so as to tell a skewed portion of the myths to support the christian narrative better. They did the same thing to Nordic myths to the pt where one of the primary oldest historical records of such myths... was written entirely by a christian priest who was statin what he believed their beliefs to be, but again, skewed to fit a certain narrative.
Christian historians have done this time and time again when it comes to other myths and theres certain red flags for it; with a common one bein patriarchal overtones and punishment/retribution as primary motivators.
So i instantly raise an eyebrow askew at the notion that this person was once a man but was punished by the gods to become like a woman... Esp given an intersex person born in such a time wudve been more likely to end up in priesthood rather than end up being treated like an outcast or otherwise like theyre being punished by their being between the binary sexes.
Theres even other Greek and Roman myth figures who are intersex too, includin the major one im not gonna say the name of bcuz the H word derived from their name has become a slur for us intersex folks since then. They were however viewed by both the Greeks and Romans to be symbolic of the perfect union of man and woman; which even saw them associated with marriage as the physical embodiment of such (tho thats likely due to later christian influences and less to do with a tradition of connectin them to marriage). Both Dionysus and Priapus were likewise viewed as bein a union of both the binary sexes as well.
Mark.
Tube map.
Taxi.
"I'm trying to get to Babylon."
Gold.
"I think we're in Ealing"
Drive to Heathrow, hop on the next flight to Dubai, switch to Baghdad, then probably a bus.
0:46 to 0:51 quintessential British arguing.
*B R E A S T*
@@desertsage6932 Hereford's nice!
@@natshelepova No it's not!
@bong bing boom bap pow bang zip zap zoop pop bang
It’s alright
Never been.
Whoever subtitled this in latin is a real G
"Hanc videbimus Mappam Mundi, quod latine significat "Mappa Mundi""
You don't say…
Holy shit
Yo guys I did a bit of research into that map and I think it was a typo on the source's date. It's meant to say 1500 I think as that's when that map was supposed to have been drawn. Not to mention Ptolemy used to call Africa "Lybia".
Because Africa was called Libya at the time.
the year is correct, but not the map
That is absolutely NOT ptolemy's map. That is known as the "Admiral's map" and it's from 1541. The mistake comes from the fact it was shown in a compendium/translation of Ptolemy's works that included other annotations, from the 1500s. This map was an annotation, not original work from 100AD.
@@almafuertegmailcom Thank you! I assumed that couldn't have been a 100AD map and was trying to figure out the source the mistake.
That south america on ptolemy's map made me a bit suspicious :P
1:31 “I’m trying to get to Babylon” I’M DYING
I had an entire school year in primary school dedicated to the mappa mundi, because I live in Herefordshire.
Sam Scott whereabouts?
Matthew Shaw uh, on the border with worcestershire
the one where they let some decaying fish ferment and then made a sauce out of it?
Can confirm - this person lives in Herefordshire.
Matthew Shaw obviously, Herefordshire is supposed to be surrounded by Therefordshire
"It's almost a good enough reason to visit Hereford."
"Hereford's nice!"
"No it's not."
"It's alright."
"Never been."
Yep, that pretty much sums up most discourse on the Internet these days
I still recall to this day my very first lesson in military map reading where we were informed that:
"A map is a representation of a portion of the earths surface, drawn to scale, normally on paper, showing both natural and artificial features"
I guess some things are just embedded for life.
"and is accurate only on the day it is made"
@@LordSquish
They remain accurate once you lean to read the ground features and not get distracted by the man made features 😉
So this map is essentially the same as Dante's Comedy
- Portrays geography inaccurately
- Has the purpose of persuading people to be better Christians
- Occasionally has references to Greek mythology
- Is old
And completely inacurate to thé subject
But while the Divine Comedy is an amazing epic which influenced writers for centuries, the Map... is a confusing mess.
And very hard to read.
- So you could say the map is a guide for how to get to heaven.
- I think we are in Ealing...
I'M DEAD
I've just been to that exhibit in Hereford yesterday; very fascinating piece of history! The city itself is actually surprisingly great to walk around in, with a massive variety of independent shops and eateries (you're spoilt for choice really) around historic pedestrianised streets and squares.
Hereford is a nice town, and I had absolutely no idea the Mappa Mundi lived there. Well, if I ever am on that side of the world again, I've got something else to do along with cruising the market for cheese and cider.
1:34 they swapped around most of the stations on that tube map.
How did you even notice that.
@@ratflakes3135 By using "pause". Someone did go to a lot of trouble for a four second joke no one would have noticed if JJ hadn't pointed it out. Thanks, JJ.
It was really fucking with my brain! Glad someone else noticed it
Didn't realise it was all of them, I just noticed Bank. I've been to that station enough times to reference my tube journey from that as a centerpoint.
Oh my! How did I miss that! Well, I don't live in London to automatically know where the stations actually are, but I do know enough of their videos to have known I should have paused to check that out! Shame on me ☹️ Thank you for pointing it out!
I'm pretty sure you can get to Babylon on the DLR can't you?
Yeah but only if you get off at Cutty Sark and then get the ferry to the Emirates Gondola lift
You can on the Long Island Rail Road in New York.
Babylon is in a different zone
It’s call Stratford.
Is Babylon in Kent? I'm pretty sure Babylon is in Kent.
0:48 I visited Hereford today for this exact reason - it was an amazing experience as a cartophile.
I love carts too
Wish this guy did videos all the time
It takes a lot of effort to do all the little hidden jokes probably.
0:27-0:32 was the clip that Jay used for his latest Map Men episode, "Why is North up?" 😁
Yep!
I love your sense of humor! Making people learn by making them laugh, you're amazing.
This is the only channel I think pulls off being legitimately funny and informative at the same time.
The timing between the two of you is flawless! Such a great show!
"0/10, Appalling. See me!" 😂
0:52 the fact jay is just staring into a green screen here makes my day
1:15 Ptolemy: I'm really (bleep) clever ROFL
Today Mark is still trying to get to Babylon
Just watched three map men videos in a row, these are awesome. Please keep doing them!
(I also might have jumped slightly when the laser came out of the map...)
Was that "Girl from Ipanema" in the endcard?
Rebecca H It is
Olha que coisa mais linda, mais cheia de graça
@@gtPacheko que chega e que passa... La la la kkkk
I was about to ask the same thing.
You’re damm right!
I want more of these, guys. Your humour is wonderful and it’s actually informative
What perfection! They chose Dies Irae to play in bg while describing the Mappa Mundi (and its imperfections).
And finishing with The Girl From Ipanema as the "hold music" was just as masterful.
Just finished a book on Ptolemy's mapmaking skills for study, so your Ptolemy joke really got me there.
"Almost a reason to visit Hereford"
As a Herefordian I agree with Jay... It's not
Hereford is the definition of meh lol
I'm also a Herefordian! The one in Texas, though.
‘i’m very f*cking clever’ had me wheezing
I love this channel so much!
hey there jay I cannot beleve that ptolemeguy made the map at 1:10 because it has the americas on it.
He didn't. We don;t actually know what Ptolemy's map looks like. All we have is a reconstruction based on his writings (link below). The one in the video I have never seen before and has a few peculiar features I think a wishful thinker has added. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Claudius_Ptolemy-_The_World.jpg
Or he drew a few islands in the Pacific based on Marco Polo's expedition across asia. That's what most people thought was west of Europe and Africa at the time.
@BoraCM 39 ptolemy was born over a thousand years before Marco Polo, so probably not
That's a good point.
America is not the problem!
Madagaska and greenland are!
Greenland :Vikings
Madagaskar:Portugal
Love how they put "The girl from Ipanema" soundtrack at the end of the video. ❤
I was rewatching this, and I found it quite entertaining! Nice map-laser at the end! Thanks for the video!
love your work. Very informative and entertaining. This one scared me at the end with the sudden laser
We need more map men
Are we 100% positive Ptolemy made that map? I'm skeptical
google it real quick. His wasn't that accurate but it was pretty damn close for the tools and knowledge he had
I’m rather skeptical as well...I googled it and the only map I found was vastly smaller, and certainly didn’t have South America. Likewise, the map they are showing is labeled with countries that didn’t exist in Ptolemy’s time.
vonschuhart he's very fucking clever
@@Lokiomin The continent where South America is doesn't represent South America, Ptolemy also knew about how large the world was, and he figured there had to be some sort of land there, so that's what "South America" represents on that map.
@@theodosiagayton8789 The actual map Ptolemy drew looked more like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy%27s_world_map#/media/File:PtolemyWorldMap.jpg
Which of course doesn't have Southern Africa, or Madagascar, or the Americas, since that would be absurd.
Though of course this is a recreation based on his writings, since no actual maps survive today
Wow, fully mindblown with that etymological explanation for ¨orientated¨....love it guys. Thanks for sharing this knowledge!
This is the funniest, most interesting and entertaining show on CZcams, and it ended to early. Thanks, guys, for the great work!
+Kuhnibert der Kühne It hasn't ended. There are more episodes coming in 2018.
Great work indeed.
This series is fantastic!
2:21 this scared me!
I found you yesterday and you are great :D Really fun to watch
I'm a new subscriber from yesterday, and I'm here watching all Map Men and Unfinished London series during midnight while tomorrow is our Exams.
This is brilliant and hilarious! More please :)
Guy on the left looks like a sleep deprived Paul Joseph Watson
you two are so great... i know i'm late to the party but enjoying this a lot 7 years later
This is brilliant, so funny. I wish I had discovered your videos sooner!
1:12. I have serious doubts that ancient greeks already had knowledge of the existence of America.
There's a comment further down where Jay explains they used a wrong map.
1:00 look at the background he's in China. Lmao
No he's in Chinatown
I come back from time to time bc your videos are amazing
I love these videos! amazing work! :)
Hereford's my city. Yet, I've never been to see that Mappa Mundi...
Spencer Preece two years have passed since your confession- have you managed to remedy this terrible situation?
Legend is that he’s still trying to get to babaloyn
Omg, you guys are fantastic! I demand more! :D
These are amazing, can't wait for more!
1:07 Can I ask what the landmasses on the far left side of the map are? They appear to be Brazil and Greenland, but that seems slightly unlikely, as I'm pretty sure Brazil was only officially discovered like 1400 years later, right? Super interesting that some Greek dude could draw that, it's interesting to think about, but I guess that means that some people from Greece (at least people that talked to Greece) sailed all around Africa, and Vietnam/Indonesia etc. super cool map.
+Ketil Flatnose Yeah, sorry about that. It turns out we used completely the wrong map.
>Travel to the ancient Nguyen Kingdom to trade.
>"Tis Not I" starts playing.
@@JayForeman I appreciated this video and I actually like very much all the material that you have in your channel. I think however you should update either this video or at least its description to make it clearer that the "Ptolemy map" wasn't a Ptolemy map after all. Otherwise you can quite easily get some people very confused about history and I guess this is not want you want to achieve!
@@JayForeman rip
@@JayForeman I see that the map was slightly off. I do get the point you were making, though: Ptolemy's map _was_ accurate for the time! His Europe was closer to real life than the Mappa Mundi version!
For the original map: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy%27s_world_map
I cam here because of Nerdcubed, and because Jay Foreman looks a bit like Todd Howard, the spokesperson for Bethesda
That's incredibly specific..
potallegta dx
Also came here because of Nerdcubed, after Jay being a guest on the charity livestream. Definitely worth it.
I'd say that comment is shit but somehow... it just works
Can't... *unseen*
Having a map men marathon right now. Best videos ever.
You guys really like maps. Which makes me really like your channel. Instant subscription.
0:41 has anyone else noticed Wally? :D
0:43 The average European circa 2050
According to what?
UKIP Fearmongering?
FOX Fearmongering?
Idk, Harvard, if you’re so bold?
@@shardtheduraludon no. 50% of Europeans are women, 50% are men so the average would be that.
This had me laughing right from the intro. When's the next episode?
Holy shit that last part made me jump for real LMAO. I love you guys!
I bet the creators of Dark Souls 3 (videogame) have drawn much inspiration from this map. In the final dlc, the Ringed City, you are at the end of time, and the world is converging towards the Ringed City. All manner of places from previous areas and lands are jumbled up and compressed towards this single point, much so that the initial shape of the places had been lost and has changed into a big pile of architecture all leaning towards a single point. Much like the Mapa Mundi, where all continents have converged into a compressed disk of sorts that serves a greater purpose: the end of time! Pretty dope.
That is not Ptolemy's map, and it's certainly not from 100 AD.
Okay, prove it.
otto hammar Prove a negative? How would that work?
No, but i mean, show me a map from 100 AD so that i can have something to compare with, if you're so _certain_.
It's a map from 1522 by Lorenz Fries. It's mainly based on Ptolemy's map but you can see that it depicts America, Madagascar, Cape of Good Hope (link between Atlantic and Indian Oceans) and Pacific Ocean east of Asia, places that Ptolemy did not know existed.
There are sadly no known survivng original maps by Ptolemy. www.bl.uk/learning/timeline/large126360.html is a copy from 1482, probably unaltered except for translation to Latin.
Interesting. Thanks for all that.
Great video. I hope to see more Map Men in the future. Thanks again Reddit for showing me the way to Map Nirvana
You nailed it with the song at the end.
I love how the Greeks had discovered America by 100 AD
Not true
1:34
Damn, they photoshopped the London Tube map xd
How tho
you guys have a great taste for music. hugs from Brazil.
also, this show is great.
"I'm trying to get to Babylon - where are we?*
Gold!
I haven't figured out how sarcastic this channel is yet, but yeah, no way Ptolemy from 100 AD knew about Greenland, or what seems to be South America for that matter.
I was thinking the same thing, it really smells like bull
that isn't ptolemy's map. this is his map translated to latin www.bl.uk/learning/timeline/large126360.html
Those places weren't invented until at least the tweenth innings of the Darjeeling cup, circa 2129.0
FAKE NEWS!
Why does the taxi at 1:24 look familiar
All taxis look like that in the uk
Ever since I found This channel I have not look at a map the same way as I used to. 😄😜 Your vid Are greate fun 👍
1:10 This is a version from a 16th century publication by Martin Waldseemuller and Laurens Fries (alt spelling Lorenz Fries). This is post Portuguese/Spanish exploration. They did a few maps looking similar to this incorporating recent news and info about the Americas as well as southern navigational routes around Africa and India.
Ptolmey did not know about South Africa, nor the western hemisphere continents. But his actual compass and straight edge maps were in fact impressive for the ancient world.
At least King's Cross is still in the right place.
thequeenofspades and Baker Street
What about Babylon
"In fact, all maps are just a representation of a particular world view" - just love it when this show makes you think "Huh... never thought of that (and they're right!)"
The treat bit at @ 1:50 just nearly asphyxiated me!!!
I would literally go right up to and stop just before the pay boundary to see longer versions of Map Men.
what is the name of the song playing in the background at 2:07 ?
Song at 2:25 is The Girl From Ipanema
1:11 IS THAT SOUTH AMERICA? HOW DID THE ANCIENT GREEKS KNOW ABOUT SOUTH AMERICA!
Or, maybe they thought it is Atlantis? Lol. It is shaped like South America for sure...
I never imagined myself enjoying a video so much about maps
0:39 I love the "0/10 Appalling, SEE ME!"
1:10 Whatever that is, it’s not Ptolemy’s world map.
It's a map created by an artist named Laurent Fries to accompany a translated version of Ptolemy's "Geography" in the early 16th century (that's why you can see a little bit of the Americas, this was after the first colonies). I guess they got confused, didn't look close enough, and thought this was Ptolemy's map (although Ptolemy's original description of the world was apparently very impressive as well).
Ikr, I was like "Ptolemy discovered the America's????!!!!"
really, if 5 years ago someone told me that in the future one of the highlights of my day would be watching 2 reasonably full of shit Englishmen (not at the level of Jeremy Clarkson) talking about maps - I'd have doubted them or been on the lookout for future mental health issues and or head trauma.
Well, I've suffered no significant brain damage anyway and I still find this channel (as well as Politics Unboringed) to be refreshing, informative and surprisingly entertaining.
This channel was a hidden treasure, keep up the good work.
Do you know what "full of shit"actually means?
The ending tune sounds like a melody from "the girl from Ipanema" if anyone's still wondering
Adam Neely did a great CZcams video about this song, I understood none of it because I am musically illiterate but I enjoyed it all the same
This is my new favourite channel!
What's the music at 0:10 if someone could tell me I'll subscribe to you thanks.
It's called the Dies Irae.
czcams.com/video/Dlr90NLDp-0/video.html
Ealing is heaven I agree
Alice Pope-Terry not Acton
Alice Pope-Terry Ealing is God's wank cloth ( I'm from ealing)
Ealing is paradise compared to acton
That tube map almost drove me insane after 3 weeks quarantine
You know, I wasn't sure that I would like this show, but I love the way you guys go about teaching us.