The map that saved the most lives
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Written and presented by
JAY FOREMAN @jayforeman
MARK COOPER-JONES @markcooperjones
Edited by
JAY FOREMAN
Director/DOP
JADE NAGI @jade_nagi
Subtitles
Dutch - THOMAS JOOSTEN @Thoomas01
Esperanto - MICHAEL SEATON @mikeo_s
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Are you open to negotiating? I’ll sign up for audible and you make a series of the pair of you visiting every motorway service station in the country. Seems like a fair trade and it’s clearly what the people want. 😂🤞
I'll use aaaaaaaaaaaudible
My name was in your credits really freaked me out. Jack Herbert really made me jump
Guys like your videos please be more frequent PLEASEEEEE
You should talk to emperor tiger star
You gotta love how they reused the "E" and "W" Shirts that stood for East and West Ham in a previous video
🏆
You are a true Jay Foreman fan
@@JayForeman are there consultation prices?
Ewww!
This is known as sustainable resource management and they might be featured again in a future video on that topic. At least I hope.
*And when the world needed them the most, they returned*
I saw this comment coming
I swear every video I see has this dumbass comment
I could cry when looking at my like dislike ratio. I have so many jealous people that my videos always get way more dislikes than likes. Please don't be jealous, dear aka
You beat me to it :(
@@dervvy You beat me to saying “You beat me to it”
Henry Whitehead was more than just the local gossip. He was Instrumental in convincing the world that cholera was water-bourne. After Snows death, he carried on the work and ultimately proved the point during a later outbreak in the East End. This led London to remode their sewage systems.
Also, it wasn’t the local authorities who refused to heed the advice of John Snow and Whitehead, it was he scientific community. The whole point should’ve been the bravery of two men who were willing to challenge majority opinion using the scientific method!
Another factor that led to the new sewers was the great stink of 1858, that name explains it all.
That was the point. They mentioned that it was the scientific community that ignored Snow's findings.
I think the confusing part is that "people in charge" is referring to scientific authorities in the historical example, and political/governmental authorities in the modern analogy. But I think the general gist of the analogy is true regardless - that people in charge in pretty much any context will have a tendency to keep the status quo.
The other scientists were doing their job, which is to be skeptical of new claims and make people proposing new ideas show their work. Which Snow and Whitehead did.
Yes, exactly. Thank you very much for adding this information!👍
@@vaiyt But as you say Snow and Whitehead did show their work and present enough evidence to convince the scientific community to at least take a look at their research. But nobody did.
I am vaguely disappointed that they are not spending the next 52 days visiting every motorway service station in Britain.
Me too. Fuck castles, that sounds like an unmissable road trip. At least Tebay has a nice pond with some ducks in it, what other natural beauty do you need 😁
Yeah I was kinda hoping that was going to happen
Pretty sure it's a joke about All The Stations where a couple visited every railways station on the mainline in Britain
I would actually love this. I bet they all have interesting stories.
Jay made a mistake; he made the ad too interesting!
There's nothing more British than toasting to a man who didn't drink.
Cheers 🍻
St. Patrick knows the feeling.
@@leeboy26 controversial!
The phrase “I don’t drink” is synonymous with the phrase “I only drink on the weekend” in English. In Irish, it means “I’m not Irish”.
@@leeboy26 Indeed lol
"We're the men, and here's the map"
The only sentence that could save 2020
200th like
*Map men map men map map map men men*
Absolutely
This story is even more fascinating when you learn that at the same time Dr Snow was investigating this outbreak, another guy was designing the modern sewer system as a way to combat cholera because he believed the smell caused the disease - but in putting the sewage underground to stop the miasma, he inadvertently got it away from the city's water system thus saving more lives. Both he and Dr Snow lived about a block apart while they worked on the same problem and never met.
Yes, indeed.
Classic "you're right, but for the wrong reasons" case
@@wombat4191 Why math teachers get you to show your work
Two men, living near each other, trying to solve the same problem in different ways, who never met? What are the chances? This other guy (what was his name, by the way?) is not only uncanny, but helpful in his own way! He had the wrong diagnosis, but the right cure! Thanks for the info!
"I am Sir Joseph Bazalgette!"
Big ups to the madlad who subtitled this in Esperanto.
Big up
I wonder how many people actually used it though. Esperanto definitely didn't live up to the hype.
That'd be me ... :)
@@mikeoas big up too you my guy
@@mikeoas Dankon, amiko!
Yesssssss Map Men are back! The hope we all needed
history of thundermountain at carowinds?
I think you meant map men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men men
@@EduNauta95 I think you mean HOMMES CARTES CARTES
@@cdmonmcginn7561 nu
@@cdmonmcginn7561 nul
“We’re going to go to every motorway station in the UK!”
Geoff Marshall: hold my train station.
underrated comment
"Hold my Oyster card"
It’s like Geoff and Jay go up the A1
@@geofftech2 They'll be doing Tube/Train based quizzes next...
I would have liked this comment, but it had 666 likes and I didn't want to ruin it :)
"Instead of getting cholera, they'd been getting drunk" that had me creasing 🤣🤣
Is it just me who has these periods where they binge-watch all of Foremans videos in a span if like 1-2 days.
I've been putting on the Map Men playlist most nights to help me get to sleep (because it's relaxing and familiar in a cozy way, not because it's boring, of course!)
Everyone watching youtube should have at least one channel they do that on.
forsenE
@@jamesyeung3286 I C Bajs
🔭 forsen1 I C BAJS
Map men are back! 2020 sucks a little less now.
there is hope!
Agreed
I let out a little cry of joy on seeing this
I'd say 2020 has, in fact, gotten a little bit sweeter... *spittake*
IKR YAYYYYYYY
"Which doesn't sound sexy, and isn't sexy, but I STILL LIKE IT."
= Literally all of my interests ❤️
Same!
All my interests are sexy.
Girls clearly just don't want sexy anymore.
Well good. Viruses do not make good shagging material anyway.
John snow figuring it all together in 3 days is impressive.
I haven't done that much work this year....
I feel like this is a testament to what you can get done in 3 days
"What did you do this weekend?"
"I stopped a pandemic by inventing an entire new field of medicine."
"... That's nice."
@@twistedtachyon5877 Yes.😄
This video was sweet!
ok
ok
First, I saw you 4096’s new shooter video, and now here!
Just like that old lady's water
Ok
Imagine being the daughter who was spending hours every day bringing baby poo water to her mother in Hampstead. That's got to rankle.
Must've tasted sweet tho
LMAO
Legend has it, they are still singing the Map Men song to this day.
3:27 "wat[er] surprise"
I love this pun so much
I would 100% watch these guys drive around every service station in Britain
YES
I would only watch if there were maps though
I would 100% pay to see it
I thought it was real at first and was looking forward to it.😞
Not gonna lie, I was looking forward to another show from them.
The Men are returning to the Maps. Nature is healing.
I love how 4:21 is the most replayed part of the video because everyone was trying to figure out what 'not-not unsurprisingly' meant
Jay's ever-changing hair throughout his videos in the past year or so has been an incredible enigma
it is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
"instead of getting water, they had been getting drunk"
this is the quality armor we come for
there's a corona pun to be made here, maybe. possibly.
@@jvccr7533 i just saw how many damm typos i made oh my fucking god what have my horrible hands written
Quality armor is very important to me
Defensive kobra never stops thinking about armour and other defense increasing items
And it is kinda true also. Beer is clean in a way. In the old days beer was safer to drink, than the water.
I was actually looking forward to them looking at every single service station. Am I that easily amused now? 😂
same 😂 I was slightly disappointed when I realised it wasn't actually going to happen
Me too.
I also thought it was a teaser for an upcoming episode hahaha
I would unironically enjoy a 52 part series where they visit every single service station in the country, giving them 1-5 star reviews and pointing out features of interest. It would be the most interesting thing about the most uninteresting thing.
All the Stations has set a pretty strong precedent
"As what always seems to happen whenever someone does something amazing, John Snow died before his work was accepted"
Too true.
"Which doesn't sound sexy and it's not sexy, but I still like it!" That's what she said!
Naming a pub after someone who didn't drink is like naming a military hardware testing range after Gandhi. I love it.
We (Australia) named a swim centre after a Prime Minister who drowned. We definitely get a lot of our sense of humour from the British.
Gandhi's Guns
"Morrissey Meat Market"
@@RatelHBadger Sure it'd be "Ghandi's Nukes."
Gundhi
“You know nothing John Snow”
“Actually I mapped the cholera outbreak in London and discovered the source of it”
“Okay maybe you know something John Snow”
scientific community: "you still know nothing john snow"
Wrong John, the H is not silent
**obscure Extra History reference**
@@user-wy8ob1jz7k So happy at least one other person pointed it out!
I understood that reference.
4:37 Does anyone else feel compelled to just watch Jay's "Wooow!!" over and over again?
4:38
@@avadhut9066 that just sounds like it hurts
"scientists spend literally hours thinking of a way to solve this"
Just a side note: his work wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for another technological advancement of the time that we take for granted: addresses. Without people addresses and, especially, house numbers, his work would be much harder to get to any conclusions.
Very interesting point, and possibly worth making a future episode about. Thanks! :)
Heard this on 99 pi!
@@JayForeman Here’s a random fact for this potential video:
The Fuggerei in Augsburg has the longest in-use house numbers in Germany.
Maybe it would give UK addresses a run for the money?
What a great fact - thanks for sharing!
@@JayForeman I feel like you'd enjoy the address episode of the 99% Invisible podcast. Not strictly about maps themselves, but an interesting look at how organizing houses affects people, good and bad (including the same epidemiology example this video is about): 99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-address-book/
Dude I’m actively writing a paper on Cholera, John Snow and Haiti, and right at the beginning I knew what the map would be hahahahaha
How'd your paper do?
@@danieljliverslxxxix1164 got a 90 :D
@@Nosikas congrats
AP human eh
@@lh1661 actually was modern world history, I’m taking APUSH this year
I just found this series today. Man, I've been missing out.
They had to create new alter-egos for the ad at the end because Jay would definitely enjoy visiting every motorway service station in the UK.
For a few sweet seconds I thought there was a series incoming.
@@1tychoma Same
I did a double take when I got this notification. Can’t wait to see what you boys do this season
Super excited!
MAP MEN MAP MEN MAP MAP MAP MEN MEN
Edit: and for the end just add on 66 more MEN
I was just finishing up on the Tera Nullius video when I got the notification- and had to do my own double-take!
I know it’s only been 15 years.
That was exactly me, I have been waiting for too long :)
I went to the Jon Snow pub and the fountain is still there! Pretty cool story and a very interesting use of science and maps to point out the cause for a disease outbreak
Jay Foreman is the only person who can do a promotional or some kind of advertisement and I find it interesting enough to watch 😂
Wrong. There's also Mark
@@markcooper-jones7494 my deepest apologies Mark! 😂 Both you guys!
i love how you guys literally sang: Men, men, men , men, men, etc. At the end, that´s dedication right there
I was sat in the other room trying to ignore Jay doing this for 20 minutes.
The people playing the French horns under that were also incredibly impressive! ;)
@@mikeoas that’s all Beardyman.
There was many Map Men patreons.
It's not continuous. It's men, men, men, men on a loop
"This was one of the earliest examples of data journalism, which doesn't sound sexy and isn't sexy, but I still like it."
Well, those poor beggars had no choice but go outside and ask randomly selected strangers about their experiences and then map those strangers.
Nowadays all you need to do is make a few phonecalls (pardon, I'm rather old we still used telephones to talk to each other in those days) I MEANT google stuff on the internet or just plain make up things as you go.
People don't want facts, they want to be entertained!
But it actually sounds sexy. And it is.
Watching this channel, Jago Hazzard and Geoff & Vicky has taught me more about English history than I ever learnt at school. Make it enjoyable, and accurate, and learning can be fun. 😁
They have been drinking Number 40's Number 2s 😂😂😂😭😭
I don't know why, but that outro had me tripping balls after a while.
Same
oooooodible
Ikr? Especially these little breaths
THEY BREATHED
THEY BREATHED AGAIN
COUGH WHAT WHAT WHAT
it was so funny
During a cholera epidemic in Copenhagen in the 19. century, they even wrote on the beer bottles, that beer prevented cholera! The fact was, as also said in the video, that no cases of cholera were seen among the workers on the breweries - 'cause they were not drinking water!
All the water that was used in the beer production was boiled and fermented. Most deadly bacteria would of died from the heat for beer makeing.
(This comment is ment to clear up those questions “but isn’t beer made from water?”)
Sorry if it sounds rude I may need to sleep
@@spacetechempire510 Not rude at all 😉- that’s exactly the case, - the pasteurization killed the bacteria 😉
Hdjajfs brewers really be wilding. Only drinking beer. I will die in a week drinking only beer.
@@dan-gy4vu Me to - but at least we wouldn’t die from cholera 😉
Jay, your "commercials" are THE BEST!!!!! I aways watch all the way through .... lol ...
I loved this video! I have worked in maps for years and John Snow is seen in map circles as the big dog who started off the field of Geographic information systems, this technology is still used to map out diseases and plan epidemics including Ebola and SARS! Keep up the awesome work!
So bascially when he told everyone what was happening the resounding response was: You know nothing John Snow
Even after he had lots of evidence to support his claims.... this world really has not changed lol
After some guy figured out the germ theory in the 1800's and recommended that physicians wash their hands and clean their instruments between patients they all laughed for a couple decades. And kept infecting people.
@@emjayay That guy was the Hungarian physician Ignac Semmelweis, he ended up in an insane asylum.
This was actually the running joke in Extra History's series on these events :p .
@@safe-keeper1042 Hey, maybe you might know something John Snow...
I would make a rather witty remark about how John Snow’s contact tracing in the mid 1800s was better than ours now, but... too soon. Too real.
Proof what can be achieved with less corruption
And yet accurate
to be fair, cholera is a little easier to trace... just follow the brown road
And choléra isn't Airborne transmissible
He only had a sample size of a block.... And cholera is transmitted by a static source. The moment interspecies transmission enters there are just way too many variables.... People see many more people. You bump into many many strangers each day. Go to the supermarket and buy something specific and count how many people you come close to Once the pandemic ends otherwise your results will be off due to social distancing (I hope). You'll see soon how MANY people there are.
you guys are awesome, please never stop doing what you're doing
This is my first Map Men video. I have subscribed. I expect I'll be laughing a whooooole lot in the next few days
"Cholera?"
Nods
"Good!"
😄 That bit put me in mind of The Life of Brian: "Crucifixion? Good. Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each."
Does anyone else want to see Edward and William travelling to all UK service stations?
Me
Took me a few seconds to recognize that it was just a setup for the ad. Then I was disappointed that it wasn't really happening.
@@BowlOfRed They may surprise us!
@@BowlOfRed I know, I want the Service Station videos!
Featuring train enthusiast Geoff Marshall
Basicly:
*Oversimplified dubs Extra History: The Broad Street Pump & John Snow*
Also you should have said:
*"You DID know something, John Snow"*
I just love your videos. Thanks for keeping on. Happy New Year, and may we all see the backside of covid soon!
This feels... pointed, can’t quite put my finger on it
SNEKY
Just don’t lick the finger
Isn't it a bit odd that they mention people not following scientific guidance while being in public without masks?
@@wowisthatgami8293 I’m guessing (and hoping) they filmed those two outdoor scenes when the lockdowns were temporarily lifted here in England. And they seem to be socially distanced from everyone else.
@@wowisthatgami8293 any scientific evidence that masks prevent you from giving/getting corona? Thought not
Build a pub in the memory of a man that didn't drink at all... you know they are drunk distillery people.
What could be more English?
Yaay! You’re back. Love your videos
I needed this right about now. Thanks
I appreciate that you wrote "20L" upside down so that it would be right side up while pouring it down the toilet
You should see the back of the container... 😬
@@markcooper-jones7494 Oh hi Mark
@@PiousMoltar hi
@@markcooper-jones7494 Yeah. That was a brilliant way to illustrate the extreme grossness of the disease without being extremely gross on camera. Nicely done.
John Snow: *ends cholera outbreak*
Miasma fans: "You know nothing, John Snow"
extra credits reference
miasma fans vs water contamination enjoyers
Mark looked suprisingly like Will Mckenzie driving Simon's little car.
Seriously, I'd really like a tour of all the motorway service stations, including those that have disappeared, those that are now on A-roads, those that were on A-road and are now on motorways, and those that are projected to be built soonish. I know, I'm a boring t£"t. So, when this is all over, you can do "All The Service Stations".........
Fun Fact: If you took every OS map of regions of the UK and stitched them together, you'd have a very large map. It probably wouldn't fit in a glove box.
I seem to remember them doing that on Blue Peter once. "Them" being the presenters, not Jay and Mark.
Fully expected them to say "Ooh a woman!", when the patreon-credits rolled down.
A missed opportunity
I scrolled the comments just for this! So glad I wasn't the only one expecting that.
same
WTF, why are it all men?????
@@Zegmaar_Bas they aren't ;)
The content that comes out of this channel is brilliant!
Glad you guys are backkk
the fact the bbc haven't hired these lads and given them an even bigger budget is a travesty
Not diverse enough.
i'd call it a lucky escape.
More than likely, they've probably never heard of them. Neither had I until late last year. CZcams is full of niche interest circles and the moment you step out of them you realise that these channels are utterly unknown to the population at large. Try running down your street yelling "Hey, do you watch Map Men?" and I will be amazed if a single person knows what you're going on about.
At the same time though, who's to say TV companies haven't already tried to hire them? Broadcasters do make attempts to sniff out talent from the influencer pool, but quite often the influencers reply with a no thanks. The bigger influencers are probably making more money being on CZcams which is one factor. Another major factor is that by working on TV, it means handing over your copyright, as well as your editorial and stylistic independence to the production company and broadcaster. For some, that's a step too far.
Did anyone else get weirdly excited when they said they were gonna visit every service station in the UK? really really want that as a series now
Me too. And I really don't know what that says about me now
100% yes
YES
I was just about to comment on how the unwillingness of "professionals" to listen to new evidence hasn't really changed.
Then I encountered a wonderful moment of sarcasm. Well said.
This episode was so nostalgic for me, I remember learning all about this topic in my GCSE History class. Good times.
At first I thought "weird, I don't recognise this episode of Map Men".
Then it hit me.
wat
@@dontspikemydrink9382 that feeling when a dearly departed classic has returned from the grave
@@jnerdsblog i see well i don't care for jay anymore because some lousy rape culture or at least dangerous neglect comment they made in a song. Japanese baby has some awful preview at the end related to some other song.
"Why aren't you working"
MAP MEN MAP MEN MAP MAP MAP MAP MEN MEN
"Ooh screw that let's just watch it"
I have a good boss.
Aye, you do! Give him my compliments for good taste :)
Jay Foreman's ads are the only ads I will actually watch... I'm still cracking up about the "we've all got thyme on our hands" gag.
I’ve already heard this story like 5 times but these guys are so entertaining so I had to
I’ll just say this= *jay’s new hair looks great*
Mmmmmm....I disagree
It's only a model.
Got to agree
He has new hair?
Oh yeah lmao
I could absolutely listen to the word “men” repeated by the map men for 10 hours straight
This episode was truly brilliant!!!!
Subscribed, well done to you both
This is the guy whose existence you forget about but then get super excited when he uploads.
Check his twitter, it's a nice way to keep up to date with him
@@aleattorium Already been following him for a long time, I just don't scroll through twitter that much
Whoever put their name as firstname mclastname on patreon, I salute you
i cannot not explain to you how much i love this channel and its style.
I really have to thank you guys for the very informative video. Recently I was working on a project revolving around the cholera pandemic, and there's a reference on a Broad Street that got my head scratching. Then you guys explained the map of Broad Street, and it clicks!
Seriously, thanks for the massive help!
is it bad that I'm disappointed that you aren't actually going on a tour of service stations? I would watch those videos
me likewise
They're just waiting for after Corona :P
I'm disappointed that Mark didn't namedrop South Mimms services
"I rose from the miasma"
"Passing swiftly through the moor."
"This is here, water stirs."
"In distance for all that was lost."
GREAT vid. You guys are AWESOME!!!!
you guys are fantastic.
even watching your sponsor plugs is a joy.
the music over the audiobooks is better than the audiobooks add, personally.
I know I've heard that song somewhere before...
-edit- I've figured it out. It was used in this instructional video czcams.com/video/qYUeoSfL8sw/video.html
I beg to differ extremely
@@desirerichards-campbell3707 It might be royalty-free music... I know Company Man (The channel) uses it for his videos.
It's a piece of music from CZcams's royalty-free audio library called 'How It Began'. It turns up in lots of videos on CZcams.com.
OMG HI JAY :)
Truly the best thing about 2020 so far, along with Jay's hair.
Released before my birthday. Amazing
This helped a lot with my history revision lol, Thanks Map Men!
I was hoping the map men men men men would keep going at the end and boy was I beyond happy
i always hope for more men in the map men song, and this was pretty much the greatest ever
Same
Jay's eyes tell me he hadn’t slept a single night while he was away
there is plenty stopping me from using audbile, like giving amazon money. just one of the many reasons to not use audible that ive mapped out. ironically, i learned all my map-making skills from the map men. this is one of the best channels ever; thank you
Thanks for re-applying the end cards through the outro, it’s the little things that matter
when Mark said "it tastes quite sweet" i died of laughter
SEWAGE ⚠️
I actually would quite like a series of videos visiting every motorway service station
@Sean Wilkinson you think they are rich enough to buy anything from those places ?
I've only just found this channel and I'm disappointed the service station video doesn't exist.
I liked the video and I was totally caught by surprise when you started the ad read. You segued the hell out of me!
Even the ad read was entertaining I officially love these guys