Blue Zones Are Not Vegan
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Have you heard about Blue Zones? Maybe you’ve watched the Netflix series Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones and you’re wondering whether you should follow some of the principles it covers. If so, this video is for you.
I read the original Blue Zones book years ago and loved it. I also watched the series recently, and I loved that too. The creator, Dan Buettner, is an extremely skilled communicator and storyteller, and most of the takeaway messages are universal principles we can all benefit from.
Here’s the problem: the Blue Zones profiled- with one exception-are not the world’s real Blue Zones. Secondly, the entire Blue Zone movement strongly advocates veganism-which is fine-except that none of these areas are vegan. Not one.
In this video I’ll talk you through the flaws in the Blue Zone theory, where the world’s real Blue Zones are - and why inhabitants of these places have longer lifespans. I’ll also discuss why wealth is the biggest determining factor of lifespan and why you really should focus on healthspan instead. Let’s get started!
VIDEO CONTENTS
00:00 Blue Zones
00:30 Problems with the supposed Blue Zones
01:43 Okinawa
02:18 Nicoya, Sardinia, Ikaria
03:01 Loma Linda
04:55 The real Blue Zones
05:33 Wealth and longevity
07:09 Lifespan v healthspan
LIFESPAN V HEALTHSPAN?
While lifespan is the length of time you are alive, healthspan refers to the length of time that you enjoy good health. It represents your quality of life in terms of physical and mental wellbeing, as opposed to just how long you live. Maximizing healthspan involves adopting a healthy lifestyle, preventive healthcare measures, and managing chronic conditions to ensure a longer period of vibrant and disease-free living.
WHAT WE’LL LEARN
* Why the Blue Zones in the book and TV series are not actual Blue Zones
* The world’s real Blue Zone countries
* Why money correlates with longevity more than any other factor
* Why you should focus on healthspan rather than lifespan
* Why lifespan can be purchased, but healthspan must be earned
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Thanks Lucas! Great information.
Great video, Lucas! I also read Dan Buettner's book years ago and loved it, so I appreciate this update. I really like how you focus on healthspan vs lifespan, since I'm far more interested in quality of life over length of life. Thank you!
Thanks Connie!
I grew up Seventh-day Adventist (in Florida) and there are tons of bad dietary choices you can make without smoking, drinking, or eating meat. Additionally, there many toxic aspects of religious communities (shunning, shaming, guilt) that can negatively impact health.
Thanks for sharing your experiences...
I too, spent time in the seventh day Adventist religion. It is rigid, judgmental and unkind to those that don’t adhere to their beliefs
The Adventist Studies show that Adventist men who don't eat meat live about 8 years longer than those SDA men who do. Only the vegan group among them had an average BMI in the recommended range. Adventists are encouraged to not eat meat by their religion.
Yes what your saying is right but you cannot deny the fact that seventh day Adventist live on average 7-10 years longer than the average American. Same with any other ways of life that limit meat consumption.
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maybe it has something to do with eating a lot of ORGANIC vegetables whether you are vegetarian or not and what about eggs from pastured, free roaming chickens who eat their natural diet of worms, bugs, grasses etc.? I am not a vegan but I am a healthy 78 year old and I take no pharmaceutical drugs at all. I know 78 is not that old, but most people my age are not in as good shape as I am. In my opinion it is the quality of the food we eat that matters the most. That means organic first of all and meats and eggs must be pasture raised and consumming their true diet while being free to roam in a healthy environment as they are meant to be. People eat horrible, pesticide ridden, poisonous foods full of additives foods nowadays which in my opinion is the cause illness of all kinds.
Sounds like you're doing great!
It's not so simple. One century ago people only ate organic food but life expectancy was lower than today.
Hi Lucas, I am from Sardinia from a town near the blue zone. I personally have known 4 people over 100 years old, the oldest was 107 years old. I study medicine in Sassari (Sardinia) and the term Blue zone was invented by two of our professors and clinical biochemistry researchers Ciriaco Carru and Gianni Pes. Dan buettner only made it famous.
Thanks for sharing your direct experience! I'm familiar with the original research, I don't find it compelling or in any way suggestive of a true longevity-lifestyle connection. Dan's recommendations track well with most experts, with the exception of wine and no meat, however, nothing particularly unique about those area with the exception of Loma Linda. Overall, his message is net positive for sure.
@@YOGABODY.Official What about the longevity advantages of those Adventists who don't eat meat? Those who didn't eat meat were also significantly less likely to develop the most common chronic diseases of first world countries.
@@someguy2135 Exactly, seems this guy has a bias away from plant based diets and has taken great pains to denigrate the Mediterranean diet.
@@YOGABODY.Official - It's interesting that Asian research gives the exact opposite results of Western research. Asians who eat more meat have better health outcomes and live longer. The explanation for this difference is the healthy user effect. Asians are given the message that meat is healthy and so healthy Asians eat meat. But Westerners are told the opposite and so healthy Westerners avoid meat.
Still, it's telling that the longest lived national and regional populations in the world are in Asia and some of them eat more meat than even Americans. As far as that goes, it turns out the Blue Zones also heavily relied on animal foods and animal fats, particularly prior to WWII that decimated farm animal populations and led to industrialization. See: "Research On Meat And Health" and "Blue Zones Dietary Myth".
Wow, such an amazing, knowledge packed video, how does it have so little view
So you decided, that the 4 of the five blue zones are fake? Because,, they are…. small?? Eg: 10.000 people are a sample, not enough to form an adequate study, retrospectively or perspective? Cause in medical science, we consider this number more than adequate, to study and to carry out strong results. And statistics , found the 5 places that are considered blue zones. Statistics that are used in medicine and are helping this science evolve. And are used today as well, as in the past.
But life expectancy is not a fixed quantity. The life expectancy of people from a particular place changes with time so if we have to draw conclusions we have to track the particular time and circumstances of the centenarians.
Like in Okinawa the life expectancy is decreasing because of introduction of more meat based and processed food as well as more economic activity which was not there during the peak time of centenarians.
So it's about what makes them individually live long rather than what the area does because it changes with time but the people who love long continue the same practices
@@okman9684 - Also, at least some of the Blue Zones don't have accurate official birth records and are known for pension fraud. Many of the supposed centenarians might actually be the children of the people they are claiming to be. As for the Okinawan diet, the intake of meat actually decreased in their diet as their longevity declined. The opposite happened in Japan where, as meat intake went up, so did longevity.
Hi Lucas, as someone that lived in 3 countries (Brazil, US and now Italy) I fully understand why Italians live well and long. Healthcare is universal and excellent, no one has private plans. Italians are active from childhood to late elderly, people walk, hike, ride a bike at all ages. Families are very connected and live are some block and see themselves every day even on big cities. And food is almost a religion, each city has their ancient recipes with fresh ingredients and processed food is considered disgusting.
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Dai, un po’ di nutella possiamo permetterci 😂
Totally align - I travelled Sardinia extensively as part of my blue zone research- my translator was 21 and had done an exchange in the USA - surprisingly she was adamant she didn’t want to go back - her health suffered terribly frequently from the food and she felt their lifestyle was chaotic - from the 4 blue zones I have studied in person - yes 🙌 and a a collection of their default lifestyle characteristics and when it comes to food it’s not only WHAT they eat but HOW they eat
I've lived in Italy for at least half of my life, a long time 😂, and health care is not that great, it varies from north to south, and some people do purchase private insurance, so they don't have to wait years for life-saving tests.
And processed foods??? How about merendine Kinder for children?
Great video, thank you!
Thanks a bunch for your appreciation @rshushin!
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David might like to tell his students that one of the more popular dishes on the Okinawan menu are Spam and egg sandwiches ,sort of a post WW2 thing that caught on due to American occupation and food shortages. Also the Blue Zone handle was an invention of a National Geographic journalist looking for a hook for a book appealing to the then blossoming plant based loonies. The longevity thing also has been debunked in many of these zones as some kind of pension scam due to poor governmental record keeping and people inflating their ages to qualify for benefits etc.
Sounds like you listen to people who do their own research.
Well said, thanks.
Well done! My mantra has always been to live to a healthy 100...not just 100. Unfortunately it is hard to make healthy choices, especially food related, if on a limited income. I read of a recent project where docs prescribed healthy eating and exercise ( with a small monthly check) to patients vs. drugs. These lifestyle habits start in childhood so schools need to focus on this as part of their curriculum. Not just academics. I am curious what Dan thinks of your perspective. He has got a lot of game and fortune promoting the Blue Zones. You just popped the bubble. 😉
Hello Marty - Dan's work has been much more impactful than mine and it's easy to be a critic.... so not in any way trying to diminish his work. His recommendations are almost all amazing. At the same time, it's important to look at these thing honestly.
omg you pronounced Ikaria correctly, bless you.
My grandfather lived to 99 years old, he died a few months before he turned 100, he ate meat his entire life. I really was very confused about what Dan Buettner said about the blue zone areas. I just wonder if he has ever looked at ancient history, people in those areas ate a lot of people herded their own flocks. Flocks of what, broccoli, potatoes, corn etc.? No they herded animals, sheep, bulls and animals like that. Oh, forgot to mention, my grandfather lived in Cleveland, Ohio, Not a blue zone area. He died around 2011, which meant he was born around 1911-12. I really think it is genetics and people were a lot more active that what we are today, they lived very differently than we do now
As someone with grandparents of which the youngest passed away at 85 and oldest one is still alive at 93, all of them stayed active with walking and cycling for as long as they could. All of them went to church and lived in the same village for a long time, so knew the people around them. All had quite a few children and therefore grandchildren, which also helps to keep them younger. I'm from the Netherlands, where cycling is a big part of transportation within villages or cities. Which means going to and from work, the store, school, etc by bike. They also grew up in a generation without much technology, which made having those connections and need/want to be active greater than the current generation who don't have to lift a finger if they don't want to.
Very helpful! Thank you. My parents are 84 and 81 and active. They've always been health conscious but I think they have lived this long and stayed active because they also have access to good healthcare. Mom has had one hip and knee replaced and is waiting for the other ones to be replaced. Dad had a few very serious workplace incidents during his career as an electrician. Those left him with scarring in his heart which resulted in a series of heart attacks and a stroke. Even with nine stents in his heart and having survived a stroke, he walks daily thinks clearly and communicates effectively. Mom is a Tai Chi instructor.
So, yes, attention to healthy living is clearly very important. They wouldn't have had such amazing successes with their medical interventions if they weren't healthy overall. But those medical interventions were available to them without costing them their house or retirement savings. The mental and emotional stress of trying to access medical care in a complicated, expensive, private insurance system is bound to shorten the lifespan at least and probably the healthspan, too. Access to medical care is more than just having good doctors in your area. You have to be able to get to them and follow their advice like buying the medications and accessing the therapies they recommend.
Thanks for sharing your story, Carol. 100% agree.
Hi Lucas , I am from Hong Kong and I have been following you for some time . Let me know if you want to know more about Hong Kong since you identified us as one of the blue zones .
But personally I don't think that we have a very healthy diet or lifestyle here in Hong Kong . But people in general are getting more health conscious . Yoga and gym has definitely penetrated the market better than before .
I lived in HK in 2005, I really like the city. Agreed on diet, I would guess it has to do with economics, HK is wealthy.
I’ve been watching you for a while now, and I like your content, but this video really tipped me into the full blown fan category. Healthspan!
Thanks Sandi!
Most of those places eat a lot of meat, particularly pork and fish. The place with the highest meat consumption per capita in the world is Hong Kong, and it's also the place with the highest life expectancy in the world.
The term "Blue Zones" has been trademarked, and the trademark bought by the Adventists for 78 million dollars in 2020. This allows them to control the narrative. They are health-conscious, rich and own hospitals, so it's not surprising that they would live long, but I really don't think it's their diet.
Wrong lol but ok 👍🏽 high fiber, plant based. Minimal meat- if any
I have been a Seventh-day Adventist x 50 years, presently 64 years old. I enjoy excellent health. I am thankful for the health message promoted by the church including trusting in God, the Sabbath rest, healthful balance diet, sunlight exposure, and to drink water.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, Marcos!
Great pase explanation
Thanks Adria!
In the Netflix show he failed to mention that in these Blue Zones like Ikaria and Sardenia Lamb and Fish are abundant. in the diet. I wonder how many times looking back at the show did he use the word lamb or meat when talking about them
He gave the inhabitants of Ikaria a questionnaire asking how much red meat they consumed. Red meat for Greeks generally means beef, given the terrain cows have never been reared on the island.
The Ikarians daily and very high consumption of goat, sheep, pig and chicken therefore was never taken into account.
To say that his 'data' is skewed is a massive understatement.
He also didn't differentiate between those living on the coast and in the mountains. In the mountains longevity was the highest, and again because of terrain vegetable consumption was the lowest.
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Goat is also common in those places. Both lamb and goat are red meat. But according to the nutritionist Mary Ruddick, when researchers asked about red meat, Ikarians only define that as being beef. So, they answered that they ate little 'red meat'. It was a lack of cultural understanding. But it was also outright bias. In response to a question by Ruddick, one old Ikarian said they traditionally used lard for cooking, something no researcher had ever asked him about.
Supposedly, Dan Buettner had never even visited the Blue Zones when he wrote about them. And the researchers only visit briefly to give a questionnaire. Whereas Ruddick has traveled extensively among these long-lived populations and spent time with the people living there. She has seen what foods they raise, what they keep in their kitchens, and what meals they eat. Much of it is animal foods.
@@peterduncan5034 - I just wrote a comment here similar to yours before realizing you had basically said the same thing.
I live in Spain, Alicante. Lots of sun day light, which means vit D; one of the best public medical care in the world; the best extra virgin olive oil in the world; happy neighbourhood.
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Lucas, could you define "plant based" as you apply it to yourself? I recently witnessed a disagreement about the meaning of "plant based." One person meant "strict plants-only diet, but without the ethical outlook which the term 'vegan' is reserved for;" the other person meant "plant heavy, but occasionally eats a bit of animal products."
Vegan doesn’t necessarily mean healthy - many vegans eat lots of vegan processed foods. Plant-based refers to whole-foods, unprocessed diet, which is essentially a healthier diet.
Also, veganism includes avoiding animal products of all kinds, including clothing, while plant-based usually refers to diet only.
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I don't eat any animal products with the exception of vitamin A and D supplements, 20+ years. You're right, most people using this term eat meat and plenty of it, including all the communities featured in the docu-series. Lots of the epidemiological studies make the mistake of think less protein in developing / poorer countries means they are vegan or vegan-trending. It's just economics. Protein is expensive.
@@YOGABODY.Official - I'm not sure protein is expensive, per se. It depends. Many of the poorest communities in history, such as hunter-gatherers, had animal-based diets. Most of the Blue Zones are far from being wealthy. It's not so much poverty as high inequality and population density that correlates to low intake of animal food among the masses.
There are also societal changes that have effects. For example, Indians traditionally ate a lot of meat until the British Empire enforced a meat tax and that permanently changed their diet ever since. As for plant-based diets, that is a complex topic. The loss of animal foods dramatically increased with modernization and industrialization.
There is nothing inherent about that label that implies whole foods and unprocessed diet. The standard American diet is 70% plant foods. And most junk food (candy, pop, cookies, chips, crackers, etc) is entirely vegan. At this point, most people on the planet are eating diet consisting mostly of plant foods. The entire green revolution was about promoting and subsidizing high-yield crops.
7th Adventist in Loma Linda. I go to Clark, s nutritional store 😊😊😊
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Your assessment rings true. And I am so tired of hearing people who are WFPB salt, sugar and oil free talk about Blue Zones, completely ignoring the fact that they consume fish and extra virgin olive oil!
Thank you for your insights!
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@@YOGABODY.Official - Actually, until electricity, most olive oil was used for lamp fuel. For cooking, animal fats were used instead, with lard being the most common. Interestingly, there are writings from ancient Greeks that warns against consuming olive oil and that it should only be used externally as a body oil. See: "Ancient Greek View on Olive Oil as Part of the Healthy Mediterranean Diet".
Lucas there is a big factor here, in Europe,Japan and pretty much in most of the world GMO food has been banned or limited. North America on the other hand has been the biggest consumer of it and constantly rising over the years . This has been the single biggest problem for longevity and declining vitality in North America for few decades since it has been introduced into the food system there.
It's an interesting theory. I'm less concerned about GMOs than most people, but I might be wrong.
You are probably familiar wi Angel Keyes famous work, but you don’t mention it. It’s probably the best early study to understand how diet affects health.
Hello John - yes, Ancel Keys stuff is interesting but still just part of the picture too. But yes, I like to look at all this stuff, thanks for sharing.
The diet thing in the blue zones is not plant based diets themseleves, but the physical activity of having to gather and prepare food all day long. In okinwa it was gardening, same with italy and greece. Yet singapore (also featured) has heaps of non vegans and junk food. But they are a healthy nation through physical activity and a wealthy nation prividing good health care. It was never the plant based diet, but the farming, gardening and healthy physical lifestyles of those old people collecting and making their food in those regions by older generations who don't put the food they bought from the shops in a microwave ready in 2min and sit down and binge 12 hours of a tv series on the couch for the next 2 days. On top of this there are so many studies showing how fitness actually fights off dementia, heart disease, obesity. Stay off alcohol, eat within your calorie range on whole foods and stay fit and working your whole life and interacting with people and you got a recipe to live a long and healthy life.
Hong Kong and Bahamas also living super long right now... the "long" vs "well" conversation is problematic. 100+ seems to be genetic.
They do garden in Okinawa. But as it's a small rocky island, it has extremely poor soil. They can't grow much there. That is why their diet traditionally centered around pork and seafood.
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In Italy and Spain , processed American foods have not really entered the community’s diet, their way of eating is ingrained in traditions. And fast food restaurants routinely go t of business or otherwise survive from American tourism. They are huge time family and community oriented. The cities are walkable…. Overall Europe has the cultural basis prone to active lifestyle and stronger communities ties.
I live in Spain. Food here is better, not that much better. The glorification of the Mediterranean Diet is always from people who don't live here. The food is OK, the other factors like social support, balanced life, culture of moderation... these are much more remarkable.
im half Portuguese half Italian. Grew up in Portugal and lived in Italy for 2 years. Life style is substantially different from America where I live now. I’m here for 17 years now and still am told I’m the odd European that does things European way (in many aspects including food). Never fell for the American junk food and horrendous donut culture. Then comes the driving culture and the lack of sense of community… 12 of the 17 years I lived in hawaii and other outer islands . Food culture very different there for unfortunately very high in sugars as well and very high in processed carbs as well. Guam for instance has one of highest % of diabetes.. you literally find dialyzes medical centers every other corner… crazy stuff . I’m organizing my life to return to Europe and family soon. I miss it very much though I visit twice a year. 💙🙏
There are many problems with the data and examples used in the Blue Zones literature. The dietary angle is problematic on numerous levels, largely because a false and misleading narrative has been spun on inaccurate and partial data (see: "Blue Zones Dietary Myth"). For example, Ikarians eat a lot of meat, including red meat, along with traditionally cooking with lard; while both of these details were left out by Dan Buettner because he was promoting a plant-based ideology. Also, there is some question if the longevity claims are even real, as most of these places don't have good record keeping and there is high rates of pension fraud. Then there is the question of why were all the meat-eating long-lived populations ignored (see: "Research On Meat And Health").
That said, no doubt other factors discussed do matter: physical activity, large extended families, tight-knit communities, shared ethnic culture and religion, cultures of trust, pleasant climate, extremely low stress, etc. But these places are also low inequality and poverty (i.e., lack shit life syndrome), include good sunlight exposure (red light, near infrared, UVA, etc), and probably have cleaner natural sources of water (unpolluted, low deuterium, maybe structured, etc). Look into energy, metabolic water, and exclusion zone water are produced by sunlight, melanin, and mitochondria, along with sweating, saunas, cold exposure, etc. Human biology is an energy system, easily harmed by unnatural blue light, non-native EMFs, and much else. Ikaria, for example, didn't get electricity until the 1970s.
What makes you disagree/not advocate for the diet advice of Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. Barnard, and the like? It makes so much sense, as do your yoga programs, so I've been confounded as to why you disagree with their logic.
Also, would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Qi Gong!
I really like Dr. Greger's / Barnard's work. Unfortunately, they are intellectually dishonest, fully entrenched in the vegan ideology. 95% of what they share is based on solid research, but 5% is just creative storytelling to fit their platforms. Once you've built a platform in that community, it's very hard to present anything dissenting from the vegan way. I ran vegan restaurants for 4 years, as an owner for 2 years, I've eaten this way for 22 years.I know this community extremely well. It's sad, but the upside of toeing the party line is so great that people justify creative storytelling and deceiving their audiences. I'm sure the inner dialog tells them the ends justify the means, but people are smart and have access to information - so the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater and the vegan movement is forever a joke as a result.
@@YOGABODY.Official Thank you! A vid about this would be illuminating. Keep up the great work!
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The Loma Linda community eats whole foods and almost no processed foods.
The Blue Zone this and that conveniently leaves out Iceland and Hong Kong because you cannot deny their animal food diet.
I would love to see a video with people over 100 y that have an very good health, never been in hospitals and don't take medications. That are the ones that we can learn from.
Unfortunately no. You can't learn much. Healthspan = we can learn from. Longevity meaning 100+ years seems clearly genetic.
I am not sure about your viewpoint in this instance as I think in the Blue Zones documentary some areas did eat meat, plus in the last series they were just focusing on changing the health of one town with extra movement and more plants which they achieved. I’m not sure they were pushing veganism.
Unless I’ve missed the point? Plus you say you are vegan.
Sorry just a bit confused. I love your work. Just trying to understand the conflict here.
Half truths are worse than outright lies because when people find out, they throw all of it in the bin. If you study centenarians seriously, you end up with no good answers. Most of it is genetics, many live long despite - not because of - there choices. It was a cool idea, have to pivot when the data doesn't work. It doesn't work.
@@YOGABODY.Official - The Blue Zones company is now owned by the Seventh Day Adventists who have been promoting vegetarianism and veganism for more than a century. One of the Blue Zones, Loma Linda, is the location of a medial research university run by the Adventists.
Adventists have been one of the leading funders of nutrition studies. The Adventist Dr. John Harvey Kellogg is the reason behind the popularity of high-fiber breakfast cereals, which the Adventists originally believed would prevent moral dissipation of young boys through excessive self-play. This took hold because during that time there was a moral panic involving public health. See: "The Crisis of Identity".
The Adventist prophet Ellen G. White is the one who started this all. She had taken the Galenic humoral theory that was Christianized in the Middle Ages and translated it into pseudo-scientific terms. Then the likes of Dr. Kellogg helped mainstream this ideology through his popular health sanitarium that attracted many wealthy and famous individuals.
For more info, see the investigative research of Belinda Fettke. But she doesn't make the connection to Galenism, something I picked up in studying medieval European dietary ideology from the book "Food and Faith in Christian Culture" edited by Ken Albala and Trudy Eden. I made the connection when I realized White sometimes used humoral language.
I used to live in deserts of Egypte. In 1 of their oasis, of course the population is Not vegan Nor vegetarian, poeple live on the floor, flexible like yogis & some of them hâve the third dentition who grow....so it's s Not only for shark!!
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I think you misses alot of the points about his series. Like.... you didn't listen to learn, but listened to challenge.
I'm a fan of Dan and this message I've been following it for 10 years+. This is very much the message I wanted to hear, but it's intellectually dishonest.
This is creative story-telling to share a well-intended and very good message. I understand the message is good, but I don't agree it means you should deliberately change facts. The net result is people toss it all in the trash.
If you're interested in centenarian studies for real, this is good one www.bumc.bu.edu/centenarian/
Unfortunately you'll find nothing about plant-based diets. I really want that to be true, but 100+ seems pretty clearly genetic.
I'd say that staying away from doctors contributes to longevity. In fact, I know this.
Well, blood tests and early detection are really key to living well, but I get your point, people can get into trouble just plugging into the system of sick care.
The way you end is what I mean@@YOGABODY.Official Early detection of what? cancer is not what they say, plus the amount of fake diagnosticating (is this a word?) is off the charts. Not to mention their treatments are actually promoting of more sickeness. Pharma is the OG hotel california.
I wouldn't trust that mafia in ANY situation unless I had a broken bone and needed a cast or stitches. Other than that, eat real food, plant a garden, buy local and organic, learn to manage stress, live a calm life, and things along that line. Even "genetic" diseases is fakery.
As for living long, it's only worth up to a point. Once you can't do things for yourself and live in your own home, forget it. Quality of life is everything, not quantity.
I find the term blue zones to be very eerie too. But that's another topic.
while the blue zones aren't vegan it's overwhelmingly whole food low fat plant-based. and in the blue zones they eat little meat. maybe once or twice a month in small quantities.
however there's a blue zone in California where it's the seventh Day Adventist and this vegan Seventh-Day Adventists proportionately do better based on the no meat they eat. for the ones that eats no meat do the best and the ones that eat the most meat either do the worst.
more so the ones that you eat meat once again eat very little
None of that is true, I wish it were. Meat consumption tracks with economics, that's for sure. Meaning poor people eat more plants because they are cheaper. But you could just as logically conclude it's that tiny bit of meat that keeps them healthy not the lack thereof. We're always looking for some mysterious magical diet elsewhere. When you travel around, poor / rural people eat less processed food due to access, that's a good idea. Creative fiction about plant-based, low fat... it doesn't work. It's just not the case. Loma Linda is super interesting but important to note that MOST are not plant-based. Most. Could just as likely be they live a long time DESPITE the veggie people not because of them. Again, this is a narrative that I would love to find is true, it fits my own behavior. But it is just another diet narrative.
@@YOGABODY.Official They arent all poor. That does not explain groups like the seventh day adventists, where those vegans do better than the meat eaters, even though they are all in a blue zone.
We also see the opposite in populations that eat the most meat like thr inuit whos health imprroved with a standard american diet compared to around 50% meat and blubber they were traditionally eating.
You dont see any populations living longer based on mostly meat. If meat was healthy, you would see a higher proportion of people living longer with more meat consumption and lower with those eating mostly plants. We can limit this to whole foods, since i think we can agree whole foods are a lot better than refined regardless if it is plant or anjmal.
@@Aria-Invictus Firstly, these blue zones are not real blue zones. Hong Kong, Bahamas, and other random countries hit the list and the reason they are not discussed is because their diets are not good. Centenarians are fairly well studied and it correlates with genetics more than anything. This diet/lifestyle connection is not statistically relevant. It's anecdotal. This is one of the better studies and other studies echo its findings: www.bumc.bu.edu/centenarian/
To live to be 100+, genes are the ticket. To live healthy for the years you have, that's a lifestyle question and a better question. Most studies of vegetarians has them living longer, no question. Most people attribute this to "healthy selection bias", but it could be that it's truly a healthier option on the whole. I like to think yes, but that data leave more questions than answers.
Regardless, Blue Zones are not vegetarian or vegan - not even Loma Linda. And most of the real blue zones are left out of the work because it doesn't fit hte narrative. I don't in any way doubt Dan's intentions here and his message is solid, but it's not the 90s anymore, people have access to the internet and they travel. This story just doesn't add up, people throw the baby out with the bathwater and end up back to fad diets. Happens every time.
@@YOGABODY.Official you're creating a straw man. so no one's claiming that the blue zones are vegetarian or vegan. what they're saying is the places that eat the most whole food plant-based diet and especially the blue zones have the longest mortality rate and vice versa the places that eat the most meat have the lowest.
vegan can mean a crappy diet with that's based on mostly unrefined foods. so a vegan that eats high fat versus a vegan that eats low fat the low fat vegans do better. a vegan that eats highly processed food versus a vegan that eats whole food the whole food eaters do better. even if you're looking at the people that do eat meat, the people that eat more meat compared to the people that eat less meat, those who eat the least amount of meat do the best.
so this is inductive reasoning. that a whole food plant-based diet with as little meat as possible and lowest fat does the best.
and as far as better studies you haven't shown that it's better because that's anecdotal with you claiming that one studies better than the other. you haven't even given a reason you're just making a claim
@@YOGABODY.Official You are just giving me your opinion and you keep repeating the same strawman that was already corrected.
plus your link doesn't work
I'm from Sardinia, a large island in the Mediterranean Sea with only 1.5 millions inhabitants with a very high percentage of centenary. This alone proves that your point is not quite correct.
Sardinia's life expectancy is very good, lots of areas are better and loads are the same. I'm in Spain, nearly identical.