Alan Turing's grades
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- Alan Turing was a code breaker and the father of computer science - here I react to some of his school grades. Sign up for a Free Trial of The Great Courses Plus at greatcourses.thld.co/tibees
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King's College Archive: www.kings.cam.ac.uk/archive-c...
Précis of Einstein's Theory of Relativity - The Turing Digital Archive: www.turingarchive.org/browse.p...
Littlewood's Book - The Turing Digital Archive: www.turingarchive.org/browse.p...
The Sherborne formula: the making of Alan Turing: oldshirburnian.org.uk/the-she...
Educating a Mathematical Genius: Alan Turing at Sherborne School: www.m-a.org.uk/resources/Vol-...
Alan Turing Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Tu... - Věda a technologie
I’ve noticed that a lot of the world’s greatest geniuses had minds that weren’t necessarily aligned for proper schooling. They flourished in an environment where they weren’t constantly scrutinized for not doing unnecessary things.
That's right. Becomming a "genius" (creative!) is not a deterministic process. Otherwise we could forcibly educate everybody to become a genius. What at best you can do is to provide an *environment* that supports their self-evolution, yet mostly the environment will be their enemy. So the classic schoolwork, unfortunately, is flowing against most genious minds. On the other hand, being tidy and careful is a must have skill for any one to have a sucessful, dependable career... So...... ?
no I disagree. I think he had potential that wasn't fully realized until he reached his sixth form years. Without the strict discipline and rigid curriculum of his boarding school I doubt he would have made it to Cambridge and gone on to be great. He would have ended up as another failed kid with potential of which there are many in the world.
@@runneypo Well we don't know, unfortunately I do know that a lot of very bright kids fail primary school overhere because they can't form themselves into sitting still and doing the exact things the teacher wants them to do. Seems simple, but some of these kids get real trauma's before dropping out. It's pretty sad as a lot of these could've become very interesting people, just like Turing or whoever. They are such a minority though that there is no school or will to take care of these kids. You're mentioning "failed kids" this is exactly why, you're seeing the symptom, the result of that strict system.
Can't agree more....
genius here and i approve of this comment
German Teacher: "He does not seem to have any aptitude for languages".
*Cracks german secret language*
Lmaoooo
hahaha
LMOA
well, he technically didn't do it, he invented a computer / AI to do it. still a genius though, specially in a time where computers were something people considered to be science fiction
He cracked the enigma code, don’t have to know german to do that
Alan Turing: *Cracks the Enigma Code and Helps Allies Win the War*
Britsh Government: *WhY aRe U GaE?*
why didnt he just go to jail, chemical castration is so much worse
Putin: 90% of job in WW2 was done by Soviet Union.
😂
@@drabnail777 Maybe he liked his freedom and underestimated the effects of chemical castration.
@@Delectatio that cuz he putin
Its crazy that a lot of textbooks dont mention him at all. He probably saved millions of lives.
I feel he should be said to be the pioneer of modern computers and his achievements should be taught In schools. But we are taught how to make excel spreadsheets and word documents even in high school
And he was forced to take a ton of hormones by his own people- basically driving him mentally over the edge and killing him.
Why? Because he liked men.
@@b0nz1official What's even worse is the half-assed apology that came 6 decades later...
Yeah it's like UK Government wanted to erase his existence because they wanted to hide the fact that they treated a pioneer badly because he was gay
@@purplebubblegum4055 His nephew has written a book about him which essentially attempts to discredit him. He also goes on speaking tours to further his.campaign
against Turing's reputation.
School is about pleasing your teacher and not making discoveries of your own.
I discovered that many years ago - especially when learning English literature. The path to high achievement came not through analysing a work, forming your own idea, and expressing that on the exam paper; but instead listening to the teacher's view of the work, and parroting that on the exam paper. It was my first ever example of "work smarter, not harder".
School is all about money and business
pleasing your teacher and passing.
And guess what, work life is pretty similar, but now you have to please a boss
@Hellmark Channel that is false, many scientists made discoveries during their education
You have a rare talent for presenting the history of science accurately, using original documents, while also humanizing the person, and showing warmth and compassion towards them. Very engaging. Thank you!
he was wirdo.. not because he is gay but weird due to just how strangely british society at the time...
“If a machine is expected to be infallible, it cannot also be intelligent.”
― Alan Turing
What's infallible?
@@SuperBhavanishankar Unable to make a mistake
@@DezinGTD ooh thank you
What's infallible?
"Unable-to-make-a-mistake", yes but this is a part within the wider set where a better
answer to the Question "what's infallible?" is "unable-to-fail".
@rain Alaska no😡😏
Wow this is such a well detailed explanation, all my teachers just put good in all the columns and leave
Are you a great mathematician?😅
We used to get concise but fairly detailed feedback on our school reports, but that was back in the 1970s/80s. I don't know if that's the norm today.
@@ftumschk I don't think anyone is allowed to "fail" today ... until they finish school and discover that the real world is an unforgiving master / mistress.
@@vk2ig everyone is allowed to fail, your school wasn’t harder than ours because you want it to be
Bala how's Delhi
Hurts to know even after doing such an ingenious work, breaking the enigma code, he had to meet with such a terrible fate just because he was gay.
Makes you wonder what else he could've achievement in 40 more years
I had one math teacher give me a D- and when I switched schools (and teachers) I got an A the semester after that. I had one physics teacher tell me that he would never give me more than a passing grade even if I get As on my tests because he could tell I just "didn't get it". Later I went on to write a perfect SAT score and I got into med school. Teachers are a pretty uneven bunch of people. Some are wonderful and some shouldn't be let near a school.
My teachers were a pretty mixed bunch, probably the case with a lot of people.
Just like medical students are.
SAT is 1% of JEE and NEET
@@SpecialSalads Wait, I just sing what you said to Pink Floyd beats.
@@rudrayanraha6709 who asked?
We don’t even know 1% of India’s past glory
Considering how much Alan contributed to the world, he was treated so badly. Ironically, he was stripped of his own humanity by by his government. The very government he helped. Such a brilliant mind lost to the blunders of a group of fools.
I wonder how those fools would feel if they knew now how they are remembered - not as great guardians of civility and decency, but as short-sighted fools.
As I recall, the UK government at the time could not risk him giving away secrets.
That's just one amongst a myriad of reasons why Churchill should be despised, not celebrated.
He was a key figure in the oppression of Ghandi, in the Bengal Famine, and all sort of other colonial atrocities. He advocated concentration camps and sterilisation in the UK for men like Turing.
It is tragic that such a monster happened to stumble into the reputation of a hero just because fate put him against an even greater evil. But that does not make him worthy of celebration.
that's how it always will be sadly. Because the skill set to rule on top of others is not the same skills set that brilliant scientists or domain experts usually holds.
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 Not to mention that most universities (the staff & students) are also eminently liberal. It seems that the smarter people are, the less conservative they are.
"I'm not scared of a computer passing the Turing test. I'm terrified of the one that intentionally fails it."
Is that what he said? 😱
@@scarlettdracoblack4454 I'm not sure, but whoever said it had a justified fear
Any computer capable of passing a Turing test, knows enough to fail it
@@sanelemaziya2498 no
Alan is one of my heroes. Anytime a video game lets me name my character I use Alan Turning or Alana Turing if female. its my little way of honoring the man who paved the way for computer science, which eventually led to computer/video games.
nice
He’s also just so inspiring since he was both a top scientist and a top sportsperson!
Along with being a kind person!!
I've noticed you are moving more toward sharing historical info about scientists and mathematicians. Good stuff. Not a lot of info out there like what you are doing.
konrad zuse, von neumann, Shannon, Frank Rosenblatt and Norbert Wiener are very good options for videos on this era
@@janpahl6015 Shannons idol was Edison and later he found out they were related
If university checked out this channel, they could gain some historical insight from these iconic engineers and scientists, which is crucial to understanding more of our respective STEM fields.
@@forloop7713 mind blown. Must have been a real trip lol
"... Hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people" well said and great video!
“Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.”
― Alan Turing
Quite.
basically, sometimes unexpected people do unexpected things.
He never actually said that.
If she had a podcast I would totally listen to it. I wouldn’t even really care what it would be about it’s just her voice is so calming.
100 percent agree!
Is ASMR what you are experiencing perhaps?
Tuched by an angel or something.
@Σאgßと New Zealander, in fact.
Imagine if this man lived to his 70-80's passing on his knowledge...
This makes sense because the key moment in his life was the death of a childhood friend when Alan was 18.
Often described as his “first love,”
from the moment Christopher Morcom died the young Turing placed a picture of him on his desk at Cambridge, as an inspiration for diligent labour.
In effect he felt that his dead friend was the “true genius,” and Turing henceforth had a responsibility to live out the promise of two lives, rather than just his own.
That's a lovely story.
Wow.
giey.
@norman simpson It is.
I just use these videos to justify my terrible grades
true genius
Grades Don't matter. Don't lower your self esteem.
Just Some Guy without a Mustache ever considered your handwriting as your problem?
I Never expected to see you here
@@adityanagpure7711 whom ?
Turing remains as an outstanding figure in computer science. He also put a strong impact on biology by describing a model of chemical pattern formation.
Wow, the teachers at my university don't even know our names. I couldn't imagine getting actual feedback from them.
That was more of a highschool. Not university
@@someoneuppingdudetechnical6320 Still, when I recently graduated all I got was an automated message on my report card that everyone got: "We wish you luck with your future endeavors." And there were only 55 people graduating...
That's what I was thinking. I think there is a very positive aspect to those evaluations, even if they did not pick up on his "genius."
@@whyisgamora4191 Ha! We got the degree of the person sitting on our left. OK, we got a tube with a short "IOU" in it saying that we'd get the certificate later. This was because they somehow managed to get the degrees and names offset when printing the certificates...
This channel is my favorite because of this channel's simplicity and knowledge
Alan: *vague idea
teacher: *visibly offended
Haha basically 😂
I'm impressed by your hard work in making this video
True
Toby, you have found your niche. Your videos are a joy to anyone interested in science and mathematics. Thank you.
I noticed this, too.
It's always a very pleasant experience to see the grades of some of the most successful persons of all time whether it is any subject of science and the best thing about your reactions is the politeness with which you present the views and read the things written.
It would be great to listen and watch to some more interesting reacting videos from Tibees.
It would be great to see you and the physics girl (Dianna Cowern) again in the same video
That thumbnail described my entire college year perfectly.....!!!!
😁😁🤣🤣🤣
This made me know more a lot about my favourite and more is inspiring scientist for me. (Since I am student at computer science degree, and Alan Turing is my favourite scientist due to his work in my field of study).
I need to say thta it makes me feel really sorry about him, after all these underrated treats and comments since his childhood. But for some of us he remains like a brilliant mind.
I really thank you for this video !!!
Interesting! Apparently he implemented his teachers suggestions, since his Turing-machine model for the Entscheidungsproblem is commonly much better understood than the Lambda Calculus of Church ;D
Lambda Calculus is not what I would call putting a neat and tidy solution on paper !
@@coot33 Well, that's what Chruch did, not Turing... Turing just proofed that his Turing machine and the Lambda Calculus are equally powerful ;D
@@coot33 I always thought there was a mathematical elegance to lambda calculus that Turing machines lacked, Turing machines may make more intuitive sense to non mathematicians, but it's easier to be mathematically rigorous with lambda calculus. I think the preference for Turing machines comes down to how the subject is taught, principally allowing computer scientists to have undue influence on the discipline.
@@costakeith9048 It's because computer scientists hide all the Haskell and scheme programmer ! I prefer Turing machine to lambda calculus. They are just more understandable to me than "lambda.x.y".
@@coot33 turing machine also makes more sense with von neumann architecture of computers compared to lambda calculus. maybe if we had a different prevalent computer architecture more analogous to a brain, lambda calculus would have been better recieved
Sometimes I just watch your videos because your voice and mannerism is so calming, you help me relax! Love watching your videos!
Thanks Tibees. This is really great. It is so sad what happened to Alan Turing during his end. I'm glad you did mention that in this video.
Alan Turing stands as an example to never let homophobia become the monester it was ever again. What happened to him is absolutely disgusting and inexcuseable. He deserved so much better.
Its very amazing to know to about it. I AM so grateful to get to know about him. Thanks for this video, Thanks a lot. Wish your channel get big achievements ahead. Good luck.
Thanks, Toby, for doing the work to research/analyse/present all this. Very revealing.
These videos always make the people you are covering so much more compelling than they already were
I was Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki, Polish mathematicians who cracked the enigma code.. Turing just built the machine that automated the math.. I say "just" but it was still an incredible feat.. and Turing is still one of my heroes
Turing's story just makes me so sad. Every time. Society failed him and it's heartbreaking to see that some people today are still not better than we were a century ago.
Gosh you have a voice that is so nice and relaxing, your words have no waste.
Been subbed since 60k... Nothing but love and respect for my favorite tibees
Is Alan Turing the person who cracked the enigma code in world war 2?
Yeah
I don't agree, first was polish mathematics - Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki i Henryk Zygalski.
Yes
@@adamoksiuta4715 do you even read properly? OP asked if Alan Turing was the person who cracked enigma during WW2. There is no mention of who cracked "first".
@@am.Shub2770 OK, he cracked it during WW2, but you have to remember that he wasn't first.
My friend recommended me this and told about the movie. As soon as I finished the movie, I watched your video and it gives such a good perspective on Turing. Thank you for such a good explanation :)
P.S I already knew your channel and watched videos on Ramanujan.... But didn't know anything about Turing when CZcams recommended me this vid, I'm so glad that I got know about Turing.
Thanks for reading my comment
I love your videos. So calming after a long day AND very informative! A very good mixture
Your video ending was calm and relaxing with that candle like the cold winter nights that will arrive soon.
if you hate the fundamentals, let the advanced math lead you to them. I know it had this effect on me. I loved calculus when i started learning it but i had really hard time adding subtracting and multiplying (my other areas were also severely lacking)my grades often suffered because of simple mistakes (like writing fractions upside down) but because of my fascination with the subject i quickly learned to be better at fundamentals
Interesting suggestion. I do wonder if I would be better at programming by now if I had tried to learn it 'backwards' as I do now.
Glad the British government finally apologised and pardoned him. Scandalous what was done to him
it wont change history tho..
@@user-sc3oh1bw4z but we can change future
Your way of explaining is sweet tobby, u was one of my favorite teacher, I love your voice..
But wtf did they do to one of the most brilliant spirits of all time.... This is so sad to end like this
*Dayum these guys were already very brilliant in their schools. it just takes a right schooling system to get their talents out early.*
“An example of how hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people.”
We’re all human. Is it too much to ask for us to be kind to one another?
Many people find it difficult to emphasise with another's viewpoint. For a current example, just look at the divisions among ordinary people along political lines in the USA nowadays, or the divisions among ordinary people anywhere in the western world on the subject of climate change.
One thing has become abundantly clear since the rise of the Internet - people need to be careful of what they say and do nowadays, because the world is becoming a global village, and that has consequences. In earlier times, if someone caused problems in their village then everyone knew about them and looked down on them. Nowadays, the same is happening in the global village - and people are being judged by what they did 50 years ago. In 10 or 20 years time, people will be judged by what they say on-line today.
Many people do indeed seem to have difficulty adopting anything outside of a tribal / antagonistic viewpoint. Such behaviors are encoded in us, after all.
I think that this is the effect of the nature of humans and the nature of the world, it is sad but it is natural
It's so cool to listen your voice☺️ ... And it puts more value on the topic you discussed
Thanks for the great video. I often recommend your videos to kids interested in mathematics and sciences👍🏻
No wonder he came up with the conception of a computer. His handwriting and work cleanliness was deplorable the eyes of his professor.
I see I'm guessing that even though he had good/great mathematical ideas and concepts when he was young, he probably wasn't good at presenting and expressing them in a presentable form in his early age, probably improved in later age. I can also see that while in the process of in the pursuit of advanced scientific and mathematical ideas, he ended up somewhat neglecting some of the elementary works in early age. Interesting case indeed.
Nice work Toby
Well, "presenting" is much more about how other people's minds work and much less about how capable you are on the topic =)
If you read his paper "On Computable Numbers" he had habit of introducing mistakes in the Turing Machines. And indeed some of the wiring designs for the early computers he built in the lat 40's were notoriously messy. He was I suspect a person who was not organised or neat in a conventional way, and he may have improved but you suspect it never really came naturally to him. Ultimately he made up for it with the ability to creatively solve problems in a way that eluded his contemporaries. And also, by the time he got to Cambridge he was surrounded by men of his measure and ability and not the kind of pettifogging mediocrities that normally teach at secondary school level.
@@aromview "Toby"?
@@peterm2152 Toby is Tibees' real name.
You work very hard as its not easy to get such papers which are very rare and can understand the hardwork . Your videos are very informative thanks .
Great work, as always, Toby. Love watching your videos.
It absolutely blows my mind how Turing was able to make the building blocks for artificial intelligence only using mathematics and computers with next to no processing power. It was incredibly sad to find out that his life came to an end that way :(
Alan Turing was also an excellent long distance runner. He very nearly qualified for the '48 Olympics, while injured.
Thank you so much for such a brilliant show 💐💜
Very informative! Really loving your content and the documents you find.
11:12 _"And it remains an example of how hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people."_
Well said Toby. Great video, thanks!
I'm always excited to hear from you! ❤🤗
Love all of elements of your videos. Great work 👍🏼
Such a well explained video, definitely one of the best ever!
It seems Turing suffered throughout his life. Those comments would put any child into depression yet he did splendid job in life.
Nowadays they would put kids into depression because of increasing human fragility but back then, that was how you talked to people, bluntness.
That's basically school these days for bright kids that can't cope in a regular classroom. Always been the case and pretty sad.
Ok boomer
@@heeheehawhawheehee they must throw you out of every party, cause you're so much fun
@@jasonchandler2754 nah that's just the way british schooling is. Teachers will be very strict and honest.
*brings out a candle at the end*
Me: Is there gonna be a seance here? Are we ringing him back?"
Awwwww 💙💙💙
I am not sure why I clicked on this video. But I had to watch it. From the first few seconds I was hooked to your wonderful voice and attractive looks. Then the topic was so interesting and well presented also. What a great video. Watching this is like learning through ASMR.
This is so fascinating! Great video!
Maybe Alan Turing's teachers were moulding him in an old fashioned way. Times have changed. You did a very good job researching and presenting his story Toby - thanks
How can his ideas not be vague if they were way ahead of his time
What can we expect more from middle school teachers. Of course they will misjudge a genius when they are equipped with mediocrity.
Ideas begin as vague. They don't appear in final form.
@@anhtran6113 That's my problem with the lower educational system. I always had the feeling that I was being taught stuff by teachers who hardly understood the things they were teaching, and if you asked subject-related questions, that weren't directly related to what's in the text books they used, they couldn't answer you.
It's a tough problem to fix though. People that are great in their field either work in it or go into research, what's left are the people that aren't good enough to work in the field so they go teach the basic stuff to kids instead.
aeromodeller1 they are echos from the future...dat is why.
Thank you for the video!
I liked your detailed explanation and enjoyed to learn a little bit more about this genius.
Alan Turing is one of my favorite scientists and hero. Great video, thanks Tibees :)
I got very excited when I saw the notification lol, Turing is my favourite scientist! :)
Hi Toby you have a lovely smile and beautiful hair. Thanks for these videos on some of the great scientist.Have a lovely day.
Well presented. Interesting topic discussed with excellent clarity. Full marks to you and bonus points for my ASMR.
Tibees and Turing, two of my favorite persons in one video haha. Good job too,great vid.
Woah ... He wrote a book about relativity at age 15 !!!!!!!!!!!!! That's something
Alan Turin did the Maths that broke the codes but it was a telephone engineer Tommy Flowers that designed and built the machine.
Credit to them both.
absolutely credit to Flowers, though I believe he engineered Colossus which was for Tunny traffic / the Lorentz Cipher. Turing, Welchman and Keen among others, including the Polish, were responsible for the Bombe design and engineering , which was for solving Enigma
Thank you for organizing and delivering this very interesting presentation on Turing's time as a schoolboy.
So well presented, and a great bibliography too!
I’ve never clicked so fast. Sana all mataas grades, mga siz.
Hey Toby, you are the reason I love science ❤️
Not related to that video but i love your voice. So soothing. I'm usually not interested in mathematics but I must say that your storytelling ability is on point
Your explanations are so engaging.
I really love your channel. It gives me such a wholesome, comfortable feeling.
I'm also so glad you took the time to speak about the horrific mistreatment of LGBTQ people such a short time ago.
One thing to note is that the apple from which he supposedly died from was never tested for cyanide. Some who knew Turing have said that he would sometimes eat apples before going to bed, one other thing to consider is that he also a machine in his home used to electroplated gold onto spoons that used cyanide, which could have leaked.
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was his favorite fairy tale though, so it is possible that he tried to recreate the scenes from it to commit suicide. Good video nonetheless :)
You gave me goosebumps (11:00), very nice speech!
All I can say is I absolutely freaking LOVE this channel
The best discoveries are often made when people are looking for shortcut
Wow amazing...😍he is my favourite
Thanks tibees🙏.
Alan Turing is often called as the father of AI.
I would request everyone to read the imitation game research papers😍🙏
Great to see you again. I have the "Great Ideas of Philosophy." course and I think it is one of the best in introducing one to philosophical ideas.
You're outstanding! Awesome video. Keep up the good work
“ his work is dirty “ ......these days teachers are never honest to their students. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I would say that teachers are working to be more constructive in terms of making comments
@@tbird81 they where dullards compared to his brilliant mind ,who care what these non-entities had to say
Even the graphics are based on turing architecture we should respect him
Very interesting series! Will binge the rest and will subscribe for more. :)
Thanks for sharing this with us! Keep it up! 👍😊
With that enchanting voice it doesn't even matter what Toby says, I keep on listening
Exactly that. Unique unique voice and tone.
that's not a complement your mom probably taught you better, you piece of jerky :(
"Its a club and you ain't in it" - is what sounds like.
Best one yet. Great job
Hello Toby! Thanks for this video