FUJI CLASSIC CHROME: why some don't like it, why I LOVE it
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Classic Chrome is 100% the reason I always have to own a Fujifilm camera
I thought so too when I used to shoot with an x100t
But then I got the x-s10 and classic neg nudged it's way into my heart. Never replacing classic chrome though. That shit is forever ✊🏽
Underrated use for CC: astrophotography. De-saturates light pollution and adds blue to the night sky and contrast to the whole image.
sounds like a great tip mate. Thanks! Will def try it out
Goran P. Yep 👍
I use CC all the time at night just because the white balance tends to be better. The orange or yellow shifting usually seen with other simulations and other brands, at night, is not present in CC, making cooler colors way cleaner and truthful with what our eyes see.
How can I bookmark this comment for reference ? Thanks
Great tip amigo, thank you. 👍🏻
This is the most levelheaded, non offensive critique and defense of Classic Chrome I've ever watched till the end. Kudos to you organizing your thought process so well at an hour where most people are cranky. And thanks for making us understand the appeal of the tone without going too technical.
Classic Chrome is great for those retro photos of old cars, garages, diners, etc.
Old wemen, old dog, old cats, old old...
Anything from the 1970's or earlier. =)
Boom
I will never forget my reaction to seeing Classic chrome for the first time on my first Fujifilm camera (X-A2). I was blown away by the colors, especially with blue skies and facades of old buildings. It was love at first sight!
Me too. :) //A
Provia and acros for portraiture. CC for everything else.
"Coffee-B-Roll-ographers" LOL! Peter McKinnon where you at?
After making my own recent switch from Canon to Fuji, I've come to appreciate Classic Chrome and have been experimenting with Image settings, like Shadow and Highlight, along with WB shifts, to find a certain look I like. It's certainly a very fun profile to play with and can achieve beautiful results with it.
The stereotypical Coffee-B-Roll-Photographer!!! i was hoping someone else commented this!!!
What is a Coffee-B-Roll-Photographer? I don't get it.
@@gryff42 go look up Peter McKinnon and you will understand. haha
I see the world in classic chrome.
Loved the photos! And this video also pushed me to really thoroughly experiment with my camera's colour profiles, I've been stuck on PRO Neg std, but picking a less neutral could probably save time post processing when doing casual shooting. Thanks for another great video!
I must admit that initially I didn't fall in love with it, however, after shooting with the xt3 for a while now I have to say that I do absolutely love it and you are so right Andrew, time and place for it. Great content, keep doing what you doing.
Please keep doing you! I love your channel and your honesty and genuineness.
It’s so nice compared to most b roll gear review “photography” channels ❤️
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has spent way too much time trying to perfect an in camera flim emulation preset! For me variations on Kodachrome/Ektachrome, Portra and Tri X with my Canon. Love the late night series, can definitely empathize with having an in depth discussion in my head about photography when I should be sleeping!
One of my favourite videos of tours, really..
THIS!.. is real Photography, and a real merdinha out on the joy & science of shopping pictures. From gear, and process, to tone..to light.....to actual shots.
Speaking of which.. that sky reflection shot, against the window, @ 2:56mins.. pfff..
Brilliant Andrew. Perfect tone, texture (at least on the video reproduction) , and composition. Look at that light, damn !
Thank you for the video.
Haha. Thanks. you're too kind
"CC is the BW of color photography" I like this definition ;)
I remember reading a blog early on about fujifilms intention with these profiles. Provia-Jack of all trades, flexible for the user to customize to their taste in settings, Pro Neg Std-Portraits, controlled lighting (studio), Pro Neg Hi-Portraits, semi controlled lighting, Astia-Portraits outdoor lighting. Velvia-Nature, you basically know when you want to use the saturation of velvia.
This was early so the other profiles other than the monochromes and sepia did not exist yet. I sort of follow this more or less. I know if there is a lot of green that I want to pop, I use velvia. My default is Astia most of the time, but maybe I'll bracket Provia and see if I like it more.
The photos you showed at the beginning of this video are beautiful and MUCH more appropriate for classic chrome than in the blind test. Classic chrome is an absolutely amazing film simulation when used correctly. Thanks for this video!
Thanks!
Very helpful! Thank you! It had never occurred to me to use CC for documentary, but it work very well.
I've never been into CC but it's great to hear your comments, and I know I'm kinda late, but it gives me food for thought. This is something I love about the simulations, there's something for almost every taste and situation and it's beautiful to fall in love with something you once didn't really appreciate.
Thanks for this. Again I'm two years late to comment and revisit this topic but hey, it's never too late.
Great thoughts and insights, you probably not sleeping because your enjoying your passion. That shot at 6.24 and the black and white shots are incredible
Thanks for this, Andrew. As always, great video 👍🏻 If you already have other videos like this that talk about each profile, can you point me to those? If not, this would make a very interesting series (I believe for a lot of folks interested in getting in on the Fuji system). Btw I love how your "rants" are just as calming as any other video you create. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
With the X100V, I have my first Fuji since a few weeks now.
And immediately I fell in love withe the PRO Neg. Standard.
For a few days now also the Classic Chrome.
And then today, the wonderful world of recipes for replicas of well-known films
such as Kodachrome, Fuji PRO 400h, Fuji Superia, Kodak Portra 400
opened up a new world to me.
Now next to these beautiful built-in simulations, I filled up all the available slots for presets.
It’s a unique profile for sure! After shooting a lot of Cinestill 800T film, I picked up my Fuji to try emulate the same colours and CC plus Tungsten WB got me very close at night in Urban scapes, albeit without Cinestill’s signature red halos. Makes sense too considering 800T is a tungsten balanced film stock. There are definitely scenes where I feel it works particularly well and that I’ll consistently use it for. In daylight CC works great for evenly lit Urban scapes.
This is a fantastic CZcams channel, so glad that I found it. Thank you!
Yep, half past midnight here and you’ve finished my day off nicely. Night night!
Nice vid, exactly what the doctor ordered. This video is the reason I bought a X-E2 for my upcoming blurb projects here on Aruba, were sometimes the color can actually distract! Thank you!
Awesome video! Classic Chrome is my favorite film profile, I do shot RAW and then use the Classic Chrome profile on Capture One as a starting point. Very informative when you compare CC JPEG vs CC on Capture One! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Feels like Christmas every time :D love the feeling of checking them out after a shoot
5:50 the best explanation of why people would want to shoot B/W, I've been seeking an answer to that question and this is better than those like "because colours don't work for this photo" or "to get rid of some distractions".
hi,
i have followed the channel for a long time, since you guys mostly focused on photoshoot. now the channel has quite a bit more content about technical and comparison. i didn't love it at first, as frankly i don't understand those things 😂. but when watching them, those videos (like this one) seem to be more personal, as you share your view on what ever that technicality is and how you use them. maybe that's one fun aspect of photography as well.
in short, i just want to thank you guys for making these videos, sharing your knowledge and experience. hope you guys the best.
Glad it's working for you Trang. We appreciate your comment!
I just got my first Fuji camera, the xt-30, and I haven’t taken it off of classic chrome yet, I love it.
I love Classic Chrome.
Hey man, I love your photos! I particularly like your eye for composition. Often you can see the diagonal line in the pictures. You really have a great eye! ❤
“Coffee b-roll filmographers” lol. Good one m. Broderick! I love classic chrome and that would be the only reason I would miss my Fuji.
I was so pleased you used CC in your comparison videos because it is special even though I use it rarely. In the UK we are nit blessed with Utah, California or Florida light levels and need the warmth of Provia or more often Velvia to bring landscapes to life like fitting 32C colour filter. In my film days I toyed with Agfa but my go to film stock was Kodachrome 25ASA slide film which is nothing like CC. As you rightly said the reds are so well saturated. You have made me think more deeply about using CC for street photography to go with my acros work. Cheers Andrew.
Great comment. Thanks Gary
6:26 “The black and white of color photography”...that’s spot on 👍.
I use it all the time in street photography 🙂
yes. that quote stood out! well said, Andrew!
Super interesting!! I don't have a formula for choosing (or even thinking about) what profile to use when I shoot. I choose the profile when processing, I look at them all for each image and then choose according to my liking. I have used them all and don't have a particular favorite..
I shoot raw and choose whatever color profile looks good to me after and honestly, sometimes it's just the Adobe Color profile in Lightroom that looks better. But most of the time I am using Classic Chrome, Provia, Velvia and Acros and Acros+R. I love it!
Luv your analysis.
Gang correct me if I’m wrong: While chrome takes reds toward orange, Kodachrome takes reds towards blue. Blues I think also go cyan.
Thanks! Been mainly shooting in Classic Chrome ever since I got my X-T3 a year ago (yes, except for portraits). I feel the comparison to the old Kodachrome to be accurate.
Totally agree with you. Love it myself and use it most of the time if I don"t shoot b&w
I've just loaded the classic chrome recipe on my xt1 and took it for a shoot today. I kinda like it in bright light with light colours.. love the video!
Side note. Whenever I print 4x6’s of all my classic chrome shoots, most people i show them to say they really like the colors, some even ask if I took the picture with a film camera.
I shot CC most of the time. I love the vintage style effect that gives to the photos... Interesting video as usual.
Nice vid. Never realised what CC does for brown colours but you’re absolutely right! Love CC, but recently I’ve started to use (modified versions of) Astia for landscape and ProNeg Hi for portrait.
Fantastic narrative , he really understands esthetic issues in photography.
Helpful post, thank you. I've just bought the XH2 and really want CC to work in Landscape.
I totally agree with you! I only use classic chrome. Love the colors and I think everything fits in the right place. Thanks for this video.
Andrew, I agree so much with this. I love Classic Chrome but haven't been able to articulate as well as you can. In your recent comparison video I felt there was a "Pepsi Challenge" aspect to it (look it up, kids), in that the more saturated colors look better in a single side-by-side comparison. I felt I recognized which image was CC but I gave my honest first impression vote and often picked the more colorful image. But when really dwelling on a scene or a set of images, there is some beautiful and pleasing quality to Classic Chrome. That’s OK though, we can all choose what we like best on our own images to represent our own vision.
Right, I agree there's a lot of that in there. And I also think CC doesn't appeal to newer photographers because, honestly, it's boring. For many of them they will totally not understand why it's appealing until they start to grasp the interplay between color and composition.
I was one of those opposed to Chrome.
My go-to is always Astia. I find the colour to be more consistent across different scenarios. That said: Classic Chrome works well for portraits in flat light from my experience, because it's got the tightest tonal range of all the profiles, keeping natural contrast on a cloudy day. Flat light ensures that you don't end up crushed and blown out at the same time. It's also great for those "find the light" type of photos that are mostly about shadow geometry with silhouette subjects.
Also, it's good for foliage. The inherent green shift it has all the time really brings out the most natural looking greens of all the profiles.
I’ve shot a lot of Kodachrome 64 back in the day and loved it. While Classic Chrome is not an exact reproduction of K64, I do like the look and fell that it gives to my photos. The best thing about CC is that, for the most part, all I need to do in post processing is cropping when it’s needed.
I appreciate the thought you put into talking about color, and the applications most well suited to Classic Chrome. Also, the coffee shop colorist comment is spot on. Though subjective, that particular taste is growing cliche... but we’re all at risk of that, should taste swing toward your own preferences. Careful not to get too popular ; )
Haha. Fair point.
Great video, thanks for this useful Information. Are the classic chrome photos shown in this video shot in the "out of box setting" or have you changed the recipe?
I tend to use CC the most although I’ve been forcing myself to try more Astia when I shoot. I find CC jpegs on my phone are the equivalent of RAW; easy to edit and add more contrast / saturation when needed.
When I first started shooting on Fuji I really didn’t like Classic Chrome, but it’s become my favorite for candids and everyday shooting.
Great defense for CC! Use it, as well as Classic Negative for most documentary projects. Keep up the good work!
I find Classic chrome is great for very specific situations. Since I shoot mostly landscapes, forest settings look fantastic with this profile, especially when it's overcast and the light is already flat, which sounds weird, I know. A flat profile applied to an already flat image, but it makes the overcast light that much more neutral. Fog doesn't take on a warm or cool tone. It's more middle grey I guess. The desaturated greens really calm the scene down and give some order among the chaos. But CC also has its place in street photography where color is not the main subject, but rather the content is, and the color helps to subtly tell the story. Finally, I also find CC very useful on indoor photos. The white balance looks much more natural on indoor shots using this profile so when I'm shooting my son playing in his room or something like that, I will usually set it to CC
The great thing about the film profiles is that you don’t have to choose upfront. With Fujifilm X Raw Studio or Capture One’s excellent profiles you can revisit your raw files over and over again. So experiment as much as you can! Having said that, I’ve recently rediscovered Astia for generic landscape and color portraits. Beautiful soft colors and tonality with moderate contrast leads to exceptional greens and skin tones. Classic Chrome I use for urban and industrial landscapes. The browns and greys get a kind of ‘washed-out color’ that increase the feeling of ‘loneliness’ and ‘detachment’. That also works well for street photography as it emphasizes your ‘bystander’ position and takes too much color out of the equation. For b&w many Fuji-shooters refer back to Acros, which is gorgeous of course, but try monochrome with strong grain as well. You’ll be amazed by its quality to make even low contrast photos interesting.
Exactly. You can also perform in-camera conversion of that RAW file to see which simulation works best.
I used to use both Kodachrome and Ektachrome back in my film days. Classic Chrome reminds me more of Ektachrome which was more subdued. I remember Kodachrome was more vivid - was great for Fall colors.
I always use CC I prefer the look honestly.
I just set my settings
-1 contrast
-1sharpness
-saturation
-shadows
I am not really into contrasty look.
Glad to hear your thoughts of it, I did learn something. Thanks 😀🇵🇭
Glad to hear it!
Love classic chrome and really enjoyed your video about it.
No sleep aid here - too interesting! I also love the look of Classic Chrome.
I've recently upgraded from xt1 to xt2 and love this Classic Chrome simulation. I plan it to be my everyday profile, although increased colour to +2 in my recipe.
I’ve found the identical phenomena when my subject has lighter skin tones and will switch to Provia, for the same reasons. Glad I’m not alone!
Classic Chrome is just a beautiful film sim, it is one of my favourites (Acros with the red filter aside!) thank you for standing up for it!
Lol i got the same settings 🖤🤍
I really like the base color of CC but I usually turned it more saturated and thus more appealing to eyes
I find CC so nostalgic but I personally do not like the cyan shift so am interested in correcting that for my tastes so any experience would be gladly received. Please Andrew do an Acros video explaining how you get your excellent monochrome results. Great video as ever.
I think it’s more like Ektachrome rather than Kodachrome
I shot my niece's wedding last June and for prints I applied classic chrome to all of the outdoor pictures as it gives a very realistic film look to real prints. I always shoot in raw and apply the Fuji simulations in ACR or Fuji X Raw studio. If I was shooting flowers and macro I would go Provia standard or vivid. Often I will run through all the Fuji simulations and accept one or maybe choose one of the adobe options depending on which I feel gives the result I'm most happy with. Maybe its because I'm in my late fifties and remember what real prints from film looked like back in the day.
Thanks, Andrew!
I love Classic Chrome. My first Fuji camera, the X100T
I did like most of the pictures colors choice you did in your previous video whatever it was classic chrome Provia or canon, of course color is subjective but fujiweekly is here to show more about the potential of the simulation I do try to elaborate my own recipe based on the situation I do feel the need to change depending the time or the place and classic chrome as provia are useful. The chance to own of Fuji is to be able to have different look in camera, have great result or change them up on taste in the camera settings. I do feel your provia settings are really on point and that’s what made me choose provia over the other choices in your last video 👍
We love Provia for portraiture.
It often surprises me that Astia isn't more popular. It's my default setting on my XT2 (-1 shadows, 0 highlights and +2 colour), as it works for pretty much anything, and makes skin tones look wonderful.
Agree with you (and Fuji, tbh) that Classic Chrome isn't intended to be a Kodachrome emulation but instead a "monochrome but in colour" sort of thing, ideal for documentary where you want the colour, but don't want it to become the main focus.
Love your analysis and explanation, wish you can analyse other Fuji film simulation as well.
I may do one for Provia, but honestly I'm not as experienced with many of the others. Than you for your kind words!
Classic Chrome is lovely for everyday images, timeless quality to the tones.
Another great bathrobe upload!
Classic chrome definitely has a certain mood that I like for certain things and not others. I love that film sim, otherwise I’m using Provia or Acros, or sometimes Velvia for wildlife and landscapes.
I love classic chrome even for portraiture you just need to customize settings to achieve more dr un order to edit skin tones in post but the results are outstanding for every skin tones with a bit of work and the color palette of the other colors are incredible
My GFX 50R is set to Classic Chrome all the time. My absolute favorite. I completely agree with your suggestion that it has some of the appeal of black and white. Another thought for you, Fuji has stated that the film simulation algorithms in-camera are slightly different than in Capture One or Adobe. My understanding is that they do not want to let their intellectual property fall into other hands. So, if you want the most "true to intention" conversions, do them in-camera. I always have the raw and jpeg available, but if you want to do a bunch of editing, I would convert the raw to a TIFF in-camera. This should give you the best result. (theoretically) I believe Fuji also provides a software utility that essentially uses your camera as a dedicated processor for conversion.
You are absolutely right, which is why I shoot RAW and JPG. But for demonstration purposes it's just easer sometimes to show processing in Capture1. Also, Capture1 is better than LR and being true to the profile.
I am very happy with my X-30 in the classic chrome simulation mode - beautiful color and mood in every picture out of the cam
Can u make tutorial about editing photos? I really like your colour photo style in classic chrome
Couldn't finish watching this video until I commented. Classic Chrome or as my wife calls it, "the best filter I've ever used" is my go-to. I have two settings specifically tailored for Classic Chrome. Crank up the grain and I'm happy. Now back to my regularly scheduled programming. Carry on sir.
Great video and I like your style. Are any of those straight out of camera JPGs?
No not SOOC, but close. I usually adjust the curves for more contrast
Fantastic Bathrobe review as always I'm torn between Classic Chrome & Velvia
PS love Acros .
1st Class Content 😊
I love classic chrome. I apply it to many of my raw images and make small tweaks. The longer I've shot fuji the less tweaking I've come to do though, I have a lot of custom profiles in camera that emulate certain looks of film. I have one that emulates portra 400 using classic chrome as a base with some white balance tweaks and other small tweaks.
CC is the reason I changed from Nikon to Fuji. But unfortunately the XT1 CC profile (which I loved so much) is not the same as I get from XT2 CC. I was really disapointed when first realized the differences. I am planning to buy buy an XT1 again,just because its the beautiful CC colors.
Well presented. Good points raised.
Tastefully done is a good thing to note. “Orange and teal” is amazing and there’s a reason why it’s a staple. But it needs to be done tastefully. Great vid once again.
Agreed
Davin Jacobs Sorry but I have to disagree. Orange and teal stems from people trying to recreate the late 2000s earls 2010 movie look. Where especially tungsten balanced film was heavily colorgraded to look more contrasty and more saturated. The idiots who came up with orange and teal never noticed tho, that the skin tones in these movies seven when treated this way are still mostly brown with just a slight natural skew to orange. Which still created a nice color contrast without overdoing it like orange and teal is. Orange and teal is too much of a contrast that stops looking natural because A not everything that isn’t human is teal and B most humans aren’t oranges. Even movies you’d think are graded in an orange and teal way are actually almost always warm brown and teal.
@@VariTimo what movies would be good examples of this? Just curious
@@mmn910 I've seen it in most Michael Bay films and other action films... at least to an extent
Great video. Was watching your other video regarding the film receipe. Comparing fujixweekly classic chrome receipe for the X trans I setting, it is totally different than the rest (others appeared to be more saturated and vibrant). I am not sure which one represent the true classic chrome as I don't have newer X trans sensor with me.
Im a sony shooter but i often use fuji classic chrome ands apply it to my raws. Its deff one of my favorite for street and story telling.
I like CC, though I am still trying to find a space for it in my shooting. I tend to favor the skin tone simulations, though would love to find room for more CC.
Great video, thank you. Kindness before cameras, love it. 😁👍🏻
I shoot EVERYTHING Eterna with -2 highlight and -2 shadow, then just add contrast, color and dodge and burn where I see fit. Then of course offset the blacks a little. Gives my photos a filmic look I think. I used to shoot the same way with pro neg std when I had my xt2, honestly still deciding what's better.
Kevin Carver have you considered just shooting film if you like the look so much?
@@bodythetan portra 160 in that case, don't be silly man
Can you do a video on all the film simulations or maybe some of the main ones like Across, Monochrome, Astia, etc?
I hate CC when I first got my XT2. I thought it made everything too pale after years of shooting Astia and Velvia on my x-pro1. It finally grew on me and now it is the only profile I use along with acros. I actually love the fact that it desaturates the skin tones. I feel CC is a accurate representation of reality with a touch of color expression and poetry.
I do use CC for some portraits on my X100T with the TCL Adaptor
Excellent information about the chrome pal 👌👍
Thanks for sharing and hope you got some sleep after this :) Fuji´s CC is my love and I shoot it 100% of the time. I may end up putting a different profile on the raw file in post but I can´t remember the last time I did that. As a result I´m having trouble processing my Canon files now as I find them too warm and yellow and orrange and overly saturated...I love the soft pallete of CC, maybe just like you, because it gets closer to black and white. Actually, I´m even thinking of getting rid of all my Canon gear because I don´t seem to be able to get the colours I like from it any more...How strange- not so long ago I was singing praises to Canon because of it´s colours...maybe I need to cool down a bit :) Btw, I tried to change the film simulation on some of the photos of a wedding I shot today to Provia or other things...and I just can´t stand it! It seems to me the colours just get ot of control...
6:39 did you sneak a Cinestill frame in between? 😉 😉 Love those colors! If it was in-camera converted, can you give us the settings for that specific photograph? I'm parted on CC... sometimes I like it, other times, the highlights just pop on shine like "chrome"... I hate that. Lately I've been changing my custom setting for street from CC to Pro Neg.Standard. This way I get really, really close to the Kodak Vision film (in my opinion) with the right H/S/C and WB settings.
Haha. Nope that's CC also. :) Though probably tweaked slightly. Usually I just adjust curves.
I love CC for overcast days. I think CC is quite limited on versatility but when it works, it works great
You're right. Fujifilm's Classic Chrome simulation is more of "a nod" to Kodachrome K-14 with a bit stronger blues and a weaker yellow-orange glow. Kodachrome K-12 was just like Kodachrome K-14 but with an even stronger yellow-orange glow. I shot some from my Pentax SP1000 back in the 1970's and '80s although I mostly used Plus-X and Tri-X [as I could develop them myself].
My formula for Kodachrome K-14:
Shoot at ISO 800 to 3200 to get some noise from the X-Trans sensor.
In RAW conversion:
dynamic range: *400%*
white balance shift: *R 0 and B -3* ( *R 0 and B -4* for K-12 )
color: *m-high*
sharpness: *hard*
shadow tone: *m-hard*
noise reduction: *low*
"Classic Chrome" works well on older buildings and landscapes and IMO doesn't on anything that looks like it was built after 1979. =)
For a good example of Kodachrome K-12 photos: www.howardgreenberg.com/artists/saul-leiter
BTW did anyone else find this channel from Mattias Burling's recommendations of unappreciated photo channels? Glad he suggested it.
I thought with all the hype around Eterna coming out that it would be my favorite but I have found classic chrome and pro neg to be my favorites.
When I shot slide film in Japan in the 80's Kodachrome was known for more emphasis on the reds and Velvia for the greens...( there's a lot of green in Japan at least for nature ) Ektachrome was strong on the blue spectrum.... Classic chrome to me ( I have an X-T20 ) doesn't seem any of those , more just like a mix of slide and negative film with the slightly washed out saturation....but as a Fuji shooter nobody says you have to choose right away - you can shoot raw and convert in camera or later in their ( slightly odd - have your camera hooked up ) software...of course if you have the balls like Chuck Norris ( or is it Ken Rockwell?? ) to shoot just in .jpg you can choose 3 at the same time...and chose later or maybe use all 3...problem solved...
Awesome perspective