Discussing Details That Might Not Matter (FNAF Theory)
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- FNAF has millions of tiny details that are incredibly important. But is that true for all of them?
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Thank you for bringing up FNaF 4's ambience, it frustrates me how so many people use it as evidence when Scott has proven that he will use whatever is legally available to him.
Well what about his steam discussion post for where he says "But then I released part 4, and somehow.... no one, not a single person, found the pieces. The story remains completely hidden. I guess most people assumed that I filled the game with random easter eggs this time. I didn't." that could explain that it could be taking place during or after Fnaf 1 4:19
@Chimu_Prime The fnaf 1 phone call in the background, what scott said on steam, the nightmare animatronics movement patterns being similar to those in fnaf one, the nightmare fredbear drawing in the logbook, all pretty much confirm michael had the nightmares and that we play as michael in the fnaf 4 gameplay, which likely takes place after fnaf 1.
The Fnaf 1 phonecalls in the background feel like stock sound similar to how he used actual stock audio in Fnaf 1 itself. If there was some grand picture everyone missed, then Scott just screwed up tbh. Either he wasn't painting it correctly or he hid it way too cryptically.
@@lpfan4491 I think the larger picture scott was trying to paint with the release of 4 was dream theory, or the theory that all of the fnaf games were just dreams/imaginations based on the crying child's fear of the animatronics, with fnaf 4 gameplay serving as the crying childs final nightmare before dying from the bite, where all of the elements of his past dreams, like the animatronics and their behaviors, and the fnaf 1 phone calls, start to overlap
@@forbiddenmemez4786but sister location confirms that fnaf 4 is REAL, you all forget about that all the time, plus the phone call doens't matter, he just used audio he already had and distorted it to make a radio ambience
To me, it all comes down to this: _The fourth game was actually meant to be the last one._ It really _was_ meant to be all the dream. But future games later changed this, because the communities reaction was so strong.
I am 100% certain that this was the way Scott intended things to be. The story ended here for him, he never intended to make Sister Location, and so on at the time of making FNAF 4. Scott was intending to move on.
It's also why the tone of these games are so different, it's Scott correcting himself, steering the ship in a completely different direction then originally intended, in a three games long over correction of FNAF 4, a game which do this day, still doesn't cleanly in the ideas we have of what this franchise is, because it was supposed to turn it on its head.
I think a lot of those details ought to be ignored because of that. To me, evidence that came after that game are more valid and important than what came before or in FNAF 4, because Scott's vision of the story fundamentaly changed after that game...
It's so clear that FNAF 4 was meant to reveal the whole series has been a dream from the crying child but fnaf CZcamsrs like to act like Scott had everything planned out
@@JohnDoe-hj9fhYEEEEESSSSSS YEEEESSSSSS YE YE YE YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS OH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHH
@@JohnDoe-hj9fhSure buddy, keep pretending that you know FNaF better than Scott.
*Ahem*. GiBi. That is all
I'm a huge fan of trimming down all the excess lore of the series into a more simple story, I think it's the best way to enjoy it. However, it bugs me that in FNAF4, Scott specifically said he didn't put in any random Easter Eggs. I have no idea what his plan was putting Phone Guy in there, it makes so much more sense without that one file.
The phone guy easter egf was meant to point toward dream theory. Dream theory was likely canon at that point, but Scott decided to retcon it after Sl
Yeah Dream Theory explains everything perfectly. God I hate FNAF 4, it really screwed everything for the franchise and it feels like, because Scott backtracked, he and the fandom have been tiptoeing around that game for the rest of the franchise
I agree with both of you, it really could only be Dream Theory before SL retconned some big things.
That being said, thinking in line with what we have now, the phone guy audio would imply that this is a nightmare of Michael's that takes place during or after FNAF 1 instead of it being something William cooked up with illusion discs in order to torture him like some people claim.
So that's pretty neat.
@@lavenderlavender3952 >instead of it being something William cooked up with illusion discs in order to torture him like some people claim.
To be fair, it's less one or the other, and simply just BOTH.
Michael was fucked with when he was younger (after the Child Chomping) by *something*, potentially also trained as a puppet at the same time.
That screwing with/training *then* came back later, potentially after SL, or at the very least after FNAF 1, becoming a *literal* nightmare coming back to haunt him. You could even read Fredbear/Nightmare representing both the Bite and how Elizabeth died (latter possibly being a post-SL hint), with the stomach mouth and sharp bloody teeth.
You've still got "FNAF 4 is real and happened", while also still just allowing the Dream Logic fuckery like the materializing Hospital equipment/pills, plus Nightmare Foxy turning into a Plushie.
Personally the way that I see it William is usually depicted as purple because that's a stylized simple way of showing a person shrouded in darkness. He's not literally purple, he's just hiding in the dark, whereas in Midnight Motorist he's not hiding. He's out in the open, there's no reason to depict him as coated in darkness, it wouldn't really make sense. I say that the kid that breaks out is Michael, following the ghostly visage of Evan who is manifesting as either the Fredbear animatronic or Shadow Freddy. That's why there's the footprints, they're left by Evan's spirit trying to get Michael to follow him. Michael is still quite messed up from Evan's death and seeing those hallucinations and the words "IT'S ME" constantly would defiantly make him paranoid enough to break his window and run. Where to exactly? I dunno, Shadow Freddy does have a tendency to lead people to random places for no apparent reason so it's hard to tell. As for the person in the chair I see no reason it couldn't be Mrs. Afton.
I don't think its Shadow Freddy but if it is an actual entity it's probably Golden Freddy. If it isn't an entity, then SireSquawks theory of a 'scarecrow' is likely
Also, William also is somewhat associated with yellow/gold. Hes worn a yellow badge twice (fnaf 2,fnaf 4 and in Silver Eyes), he wears the yellow Springbonnie suit (we know it's yellow because of the minigames and books) and Glitchtrap has yellow fur (it's not William but it's copying William so it still counts).
*accidentally wrote twice and CZcams won't let me edit my comments
@@gaminganimators7000 He also speaks through a yellow Fredbear plush and is represented by Toy Chica in the UCN cutscenes.
I think the generally accepted reason before people started over exstraplating it (which goes for the fnaf devs as well) was just that purple was the most shadowy color that wasn't literally black since all the backgrounds are black
there's probably no meaning behind him being orange other than giving william a different sprite
FNaF1 phone call's inclusion in FNaF4 was the only way we could have had any chance at figuring out the protagonist is Mike. Scott himself said that in this game specifically Easter eggs do matter very much. I don't see how the ambiance can be irrelevant at all, personally.
We also have the room and its content. It looks nothing like Crying Child's and it has the phone, fan, purple robot, the attack patterns of the Nightmares resemble those of FNAF 1. And, probably most importantly as another CZcamsr pointed out to me, Fredbear Plush is nowhere to be seen despite following Crying Child everywhere in the minigames.
The thing with game design is that the players that are going to play through the game and try to piece the lore together are going to take EVERYTHING they can to do so. So if some random “evidence” is brought forth and the creator didn’t intend that… well you end up with modern fnaf.
Especially with its own creator going back and making random design decisions relevant (combined with statements like matpat got almost everything right in one of his theories early on
@@theihalvesxd721 It's wild to think there's a Timeline where the Animatronics could have been built by Nazis...
@@theihalvesxd721 I'm pretty sure Purple Guy=Phone Guy was at one point canon, at least until SL.
@@umargul6048 No, it was never canon.
@@TitaniumSalvage Proof?
Personally I believe that the color evidence is not as strong due to previous design choices. It was first spoken in FNAF WORLD with the not purple guy purple guy.
It would be more difficult to see our character in this more up close less colorful section of MM so instead of it being purple, Scott chose a brighter color. I still think that you bring up some great points with strong evidence the fandom should look into. Great work!
I think the reason why he made the purple guy sprite saying he's not *actually* purple was to provide evidence that Mike post-SL wasn't who we saw as Purple Guy in the earlier games. Mike is literally purple because his body is decaying, while Purple Guy is purple in the Atari style minigames because that's how shadows are portrayed in front of a black background
@@felemiah Also because William uses the yellow spring bonnie suit to lure children and speaks through a yellow fredbear plush to his son
could also be a reference to FNaF 2, where William was more pink than purple (only in the Foxy death mini game).
I also thought Elizabeth died first, that’s why there’s cameras on the crying child’s bedroom. Am I missing something?
@@akinwalearobieke2964 That's Michael's bedroom. The bite victim's bedroom in the minigames doesn't match the FNaF 4 bedroom.
- I think I got a few corrections for you, as long as a way your Midnight Motorist theory could work. A common misconception is that William died before the events of FNaF 1. While the tapes say the safe room was sealed off, the weird thing is that the room would have to have been sealed, reopened, and then sealed again? In FNaF 1, the safe room is not visible where it should be (near the bathrooms), and while it said it was off-camera, I think the entrance can be an exception, and just the actual room itself doesn't have a camera. We are in the FNaF 1 location in the FNaF 3 minigames, as shown by the map and animatronics designs (kinda, I hate when people use minor minigame designs for theories). The building is already run down, with rats and everything. If it took place before, would the animatronics have been reassembled and the building repaired? Would the spirits go back in the animatronics? No.
- As for the Midnight Motorist minigame, what if the role of the child was Mike and the one in the chair was Mrs. Afton? You only said she *probably* isn't around by that time, but it's better than the others, most of which are virtually impossible.
- I would also like to share my takes on some of these. The Phone call easter egg means nothing. It's just an easter egg. Fans need to know what the difference is between Fan content and Protagonist content. It likely tied into Dream Theory at the time, which was likely canon in that time period. Same for the paycheck, it's just a joke and we don't play as a rotting corpse. As for "People thought I filled it with meaningless easter eggs, I didn't", that was like likely referring to the hospital easter eggs, or depending on when that was posted, he could have been talking about Dream Theory, a theory that was pretty much 95% guaranteed to be a thing until Scott retconned it. As for the Fredbear drawing in the Logbook.. that thing is only like 5% canon. He is *not carrying around a kids book with cartoony activities. Also, Cassidy is haunting the book, but it is also implied CC is haunting it as well. Ever considered the drawing was there because of CC's connection to him..?
Anyways, thanks for reading. If you won't wanna read the whole thing, you can pick one point and read that only.
I really like your videos! Your avatar really suits you, it feels like it's telling a long interesting story!
I think the audio is pretty clearly a nod toward Dream Theory back when that was canon.
I think now that it points to the fact the nights in FNAF 4 are just Michael's tormented nightmares taking place after FNAF 1
Or maybe even during, Michael could've fallen asleep on the job and can hear phone guy's calls in the background lol
Maybe, but while I did think at the time the audio was in reference to well, dream theory
I think now it’s likely confirmation that Micheal is the one who’d deal with these nightmares in these test areas william made specifically to terrorize Micheal just as he did with crying child as shown in fnaf sl which could help solve fnaf 4
imagine falling asleep while playing fnaf 1 and still winning
@@MSCDonkeyKong fnaf 1, but the establishment doesn't run on dollar store batteries, you close the doors and because you're lazy you sleep on the job.
Or maybe Micheal is a sleep Walker and we take control of him when he sleeps.
Dream Theory was never canon lol, why do people make this stuff up?
@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439 there are evidence to suggest it, but even if you don’t believe it was ever canon or was once canon
I feel like we can collectively agree it’s not canon in the recent stuff
Usually when I try to puzzle together several pieces of evidence, I try to focus more on specific details that don't need speculation to be figured out. Scott specifically designed the second person in the house to be a guy sitting on a chair watching TV, it could've been anything else yet we know that's exactly what Michael liked to do, and it also does match the area where the chair and TV were in the Afton house. There is an ongoing theory that William isn't a tragic villain, and he always had weird, murderous ideas for experiments using his robots, and he built the Funtimes specifically to start and experiment with those ideas. What set him off as less of an experiment guy and more of a killer is still the death of Elizabeth, but I have reason to believe that Evan was still alive because the room of Elizabeth is empty in the Afton house in fnaf 4, and instead there's animatronic parts. That's probably been retconned to symbolize her being a robot now, at least for me.
considering the whole sequence of events (midnight motorist, fruity maze, security puppet) I think it's also possible that, this is just the story of a family affected by the missing child's incidents, be it from the twisted animatronics or the Funtimes, but it's meant to be the POV of the family of one of the victims
I think I can both explain everything we see in the MM mini-game as well as the fnaf 4 paradox, but you’ll have to rethink everything you know about the MM mini-game, just bare with me.
I think MM is about the Afton family and that we are playing as William Afton as the orange guy and that Michael Afton is the runaway . I think the building called JR’s is infact just a bar that William Afton goes to drink away his pain after the death of his son caused by the bite of 83. In fact I think it was this drinking, as well as hatred towards Henry that caused William to kill Charlotte in the first place. Later That Night, aka after Charolette death, William drives back home using the same purple car that was at the scene of Charolette death. The mountain of dirt in the backyard could very well be a grave for the crying child, Aftons son. This could have been Scott’s way of showing us why Afton became the murderer he is and why he killed Charolette in the first place. William became a drunken alcoholic due to the death of his son who we know he loves dearly. William promises his son that I will put you back together, showing that he does cares about him. It explains why the person on the couch is so caring to the person in the room, because it’s not Michael the bully it’s Ms. Afton the mother. It explains why the person in the room locks HIMSELF in his room in the first place. We know from fnaf 4 that the CC practically has a mental breakdown when being locked in his room. While Michael is a teenager, who are known for locking themselves in their room. It explains why theres a singular pair of three toed foot prints outside the window. It’s Fredbear who we know has three toes as seen in fnaf world and is also possessed by the CC. Golden Freddy (who Fredbear eventually becomes) is known for teleporting into the office of Michael Afton which explains why there’s only ONE pair of footprints outside and not a trail, because Fredbear didn’t walk there her teleported. Fredbear also has motivation to be at the Afton house because it his house, his home, his family. It explains why he’s at the window of Michael specifically because Michael was the one responsible for his death. It explain what place Michael ran off too, the close Fredbear family dinner, the place his brother died and his biggest regret was made. Thats why William was so angry with him because he’s not running off to his backyard, he running off to a close down building, possible even breaking in. To me this interpretation solves practically every question in MM but not only that, but it also solves the fnaf 4 paradox
You see at the end of MM, the orange guy vows to punish the runaway when they return home. Now that we have established that the orange guy is most likely William Afton and that the runaway is Michael Afton the question is, what punishment does William give Michael. It’s the nightmare animatronics in fnaf 4. William creates these blank animatronic powered by illusion disk to torment Michael to prevent him from breaking out again as well as resentment towards him after killing his son. This explains nightmare just being and malfunctioning nightmare-fredbear. William is also still alive at this point in the timeline meaning that he could have defiantly given Michael the nightmares.
However we also know that the fnaf 4 gameplay are dreams based on the events in the game. Nightmare-fedbear dislocates his head, nightmare foxy shape-shifts into a plush, the Fredlings merge into nightmare Freddy, nightmare seemingly teleports from door to door, all of these logical inconsistencies seem to suggest that fanf 4 THE GAME is in fact a dream. Plus the fnaf 1 phone call can be heard when playing. This seems to me that the real illusion disk nightmares Michael faced as a teen carried on with him as an adult, causing him to have nightmares based off those events. That’s why we hear the fnaf 1 phone call, that’s why the animatronics move almost exactly like the fnaf 1 animatronics, that’s why you have characters like mangle, balloon boy, and the puppet, and that’s why we see flowers, pills, and an IV stand in the background. Fnaf 4 THE GAME is the NIGHTMARE of Michaels journey and trauma based off the REAL nightmares given to him by William.
Practically solving both MM and the fnaf 4 paradox, I’m interested to know what you think about this interpretation😉.
Okay, but I love your explanation. It all makes so much sense, having golden Freddy be the one who left the footprints in MM, William being angry at Michael not the CC and Mike being tortured by the Nightmares still year's later, explaining the fnaf 1 phone call in fnaf 4.
I agree with you on all the points you made, it always bothers me when people think MM isn't about the Aftons, because it seems so out of place to have it not be William and his family, while there are so many similarities between the family in MM and the Aftons, for it not to be them.
@@lucemstellarumGlade you agree. I feel that this is best and most satisfying explanation of both MM and fnaf 4 based off what we know. I’m interested to see what cryonide has to say about it.
@@lucemstellarum Finally someone who believes that William is the Orange Guy and Michael is the runaway kid
Great theory and all but William does not love his kids, he doesn't even love CC all that much either. That's the only thing from holding me back from liking this theory. It's been proven time and time again, that William is either neglectful or downright abusive towards his children. Instead of stopping Michael from bullying CC to the point of tears, he simply watches him via Fredbear. He makes him deathly afraid of the pizzeria instead of sitting down and talking with him. Like, where is he on his sons own birthday? And surely, he has to know that CC HATES Fredbear so why did he set up his birthday party there? If the mound is his son, then he couldn't even be nice and give him a marked grave. Just a pile of dirt. Yeah, what a loving dad.
Then with Elizabeth, in the books, he hits her and tells her how little she means to him... at 6 years old. In the games, he could've just left her at home instead of taking her to the opening day. He KNEW she possessed baby and instead of putting her back together and freeing her soul, he sent her older brother (and other employees) to unknowingly torture her with controlled shocks. He barely even cares when they reunite. And according to the video's theory, he couldn't be asked to give her a marked grave.
Then with Michael, if FNAF4 is from his perspective, then his dad is psychologically torturing him every night for a week. The he sends his son on a death mission, knowing that his creations are unsafe, because he couldn't be asked to save his own damn daughter.
I genuinely don't think grief was the motivator behind William's actions. At any point. Maybe jealousy and feeling slighted. But this man is not capable of grief and that's okay. He doesn't have to be tragic.
@@grandempressvicky6387 Gonna be honest, abusive/neglectful doesnt mean he DOESNT love them...
It just means he has a really fucked up definition of "love", that isnt anything close to our standard, which fits that of an unstable man pretty well.
We know he HAD a wife, but he doesnt now. She either left him or died, and if you took the Vanessa backstory as any hint, possibly the "left AND died".
In particular, he's actually CREATING more conflict, he's actively antagonizing Michael to his brother, reminding him how much Michael hates him.
More importantly, he's using a childish fear to make CC do what he wants, he's weaponizing his emotions.
This is exactly the thing an abuser uses to keep his victim in check, alongside cutting them off from any relationships from outside.
Michael was the scapegoat and punching bag, if anything bad happened (or when it didnt), he's the target.
Elizabeth is the Golden Child, his "special" child he'll shape to be like himself, this DOES NOT mean she's free from abuse, either. Typically they end up having issues with seeking their abuser's approval and attention, validation even. We ALSO see this from Elizabeth, in both the games and books.
CC, the generally "forgotten" one, who said scapegoat tends to take their frustration out on, without any major repercussions (usually).
Now, he abuses them, but it's something else to KILL them, there's still that fucked sense of """love""". Although less "Love", more "Possession", they're HIS property...
>The he sends his son on a death mission, knowing that his creations are unsafe
If we take the evidence that Michael was originally a puppet up to that point, he'd have been "trained" when he was younger, applied to the FNAF 2 location for William, again for FNAF 1, then afterward finally the SL bunker.
I'd believe it's less "William sent him to his death" and more "Michael misinterpreted William's demand, and ultimately died", considering how capable he's been.
Like, let's be real. "Put her back together" is fucking vague, we've been dealing with this vagueness since 4 :V
9:12 I've been of the opinion for a while that IF Mike is the runaway in Midnight Motorist, THEN the person on the couch is Henry.
Though I don't necessarily think that Mike runaway is the best answer, just that if it is Mike.
William asks Henry (whether genuine or some 4D-chess move up to you) to check on Mike, who is still dealing with the death of the BV. Henry leaves Charlie at Freddy's since the Puppet should keep her safe and it's the 80's. Henry is not at Freddy's. Therefore, the staff aren't as strict about enforcing the rules that nothing is set on the Security Puppet's box. Charlie is locked outside. You know the rest.
The person on the couch is Mrs Afton.
@@samlewis6487 And... if it was? What does that change, exactly? Henry's simply the most likely/fits the best :V
@@higueraft571But why is Henry... Watching TV at William's house? It's not like it's set up as something like, a football game or something. That seems oddly random.
@@uboa8060 I mean, if you're staying at someone's house for several hours, what ARE you gonna do exactly?
(Keep in mind this is the 80s, too)
This is a good video idea. With a series full of so much information, some details would be pointless.
Heres another idea I'll add on to this idea of "unclear-if-this-is-important" details: Funtime Freddy in Sister Location.
If you look at the map of Sister Location, you have Circus Gallery, for Baby, Funtime Auditorium for Funtime Foxy, and Ballora Gallery for Ballora... now why is Funtime Freddy in the Breaker Room of all places?
Its not just that he's charging there or anything, that is his intended spot in the building. There's a poster of Funtime Freddy on the door between Ballora Gallery and the Breaker Room. He is standing on a stage in the corner of that room, and the position of the stages in the game's trailer reflects where they are in the game. HandUnit never says he's meant to be elsewhere, like Funtime Auditorium, in fact he never acknowledges that he's in the breaker room at all.
So why is he there? My guess is that maybe Circus Baby's Pizza World didn't have Funtime Freddy, that he was created later on, and when they got moved to the bunker, there was no space for him besides the Breaker Room. However, if this is the case, I don't really see why this would be an important distinction? Sure, it kind of explains why the restaurant was called "Circus Baby's" Pizza World, instead of Freddy's Pizza World, but it just feels strange.
My problem with anything involving FNAF 4 is that I feel like the entire series being the crying child’s dream was 100% intended. So to me trying to get any info out of it just doesn’t click for me
Yeah, it feels like Scott has been writing around it since it released, which is really frustrating
Yeah Scott really shot himself in the foot with the toy Chica missing her beak in particular. It just sabotages the ways we can use evidence to decipher narratives because there is now evidence that points towards narratives that are not intended.
@@lavenderlavender3952I feel like he should release an updated version of the game that is more suited to this new timeline. That way, he won't have to dance around it anymore. He wouldn't have to change much either aside from changing a few sprites and lines. Hell, he could just update the game as is.
@@grandempressvicky6387orrr, y'know, you could read Scott's retcon post, that also works.
I think a big thing people ignore is the existence of Plush Trap. Regardless of whether it is with illusion discs or not, he isnt named "nightmare spring bonnie plush" or even "spring nightmare" or "spring plush". Specifically the part of its name that is used from Spring Trap is the Trap part. While this matches with Scrap Trap and Burn Trap, those are legitimate iterations of Spring Trap, where Plush Trap is in almost every theory supposed to exist before Spring Trap was created. This could have serious lore implications in my opinion, whether that means that FNAF 4 takes place after FNAF 3, or William calling his Spring Bonnie suit a trap to his kids openly before becoming Spring Trap. I think it isnt unreasonable to deduce that William was far more open about what he was doing with his kids, and Michael initially thought it was mad ramblings, but Crying Child didnt. That might mean crying child ran off to visit the grave of Elizabeth, something William might have told him about.
oh yeah, i love discussing!
for william being around to set up the nightmares:
-there's always followMeAfterFnaf1, since phone guy's tapes revolving the wall being sealed take place during the mci, william's time being sealed behind a wall might have been a different time the wall was sealed (toy toy chica misses her beak, future 87 toy chica misses her beak so maybe it could explain the wall resealing: he lures kids, wall gets sealed later on, in follow me he relures the mci kids, the wall gets sealed later on maybe through agony or haunting i dunno) and it also explains some aspects like the missing fnaf 1 animatronics
-william did indeed build the nightmares before fnaf 1, and then they later on haunt mike, its just that the illusion disks provokes ptsd or whatever and makes mike remember things like the fnaf 1 phone call, or the hospital condition bv was in by showing the pills and stuff by his bed side
-william didnt build the nightmares or there's more than just what william built haunting micheal in fnaf 4, since nightmare's night is titled shadow freddy, shadow freddy might also be causing some part of the nightmares and maybe be able to play the fnaf 1 phone call somehow through haunting or whatever (since he is around from fnaf 2-fnaf3)
i think phone guy existing helps reenforce the whole having nightmares about a job in fnaf 1 vibe fnaf 4 is going with and isn't really a big problem lore wise. i think its also worth considering or not disregarding since scott said people assumed he filled the game with random easter eggs when he didnt
about the pattern regarding the lore keeper minigames:
-id usually choose william associated things as evidence over the pattern to identify who yellow guy is as what yellow guy chooses to associate himself with are more realish than compared to the pattern which might be speculative
-i think the pattern might be a bit speculative because charlie and susie die for sure but, we dont know for sure if the runaway kid dies, and suspicious evidence linking william to yellow guy. as well it could just be william's misdeeds or its just general lore or gaps being filled in as the pattern
-i heard this really shockingly simple thing that is really weird if its true, the person who came up with this sorta genius, but assuming williamMM, the pattern between every single lore keeper minigame, could be william's car. william drives and kills charlie, william runs over susie's dog (her dog is dead and car horns), and william drives home in his car. Yellow guy might be the same car guy responsible for every single minigame
for the whole circus baby pile thing:
-personally im not really to up for this one, since my general position on mm and the timeline, (it following charlie's death, bv the runaway) it would set up elizabeth's death early, i guess it could work if you're mike runaway or something
-for whether or not mrs. afton is around at the time, her dying is sketchy because: all of the afton family had sister location replicas of them aside from william, funtime freddy = bv, elizabeth = baby, ballora = mrs afton, foxybro = funtime foxy, but mike/foxy bro is still alive at the time so william couldve made the animatronics while his family was still alive sorta like baby and elizabeth both coexisting at some time. we also dont know what animatronics were present during cbpw, only that baby and the night 4 suit were there. mrs. afton could be the couch person (assuming mike runaway)
-it could also be henry as couch guy, since under mike runaway, it doesnt follow after charlie's death so it wouldnt be weird for henry to be at this location
-i think the pile could be almost anything, i dunno why it would have to be elizabeth's body burried, assuming it was ontop of baby's room, any remote place to burry a body would be just fine but it seems arbitrary for william to burry ontop of baby's room specifically unless there was an easy entrance there or something (id like option that its an entrance to sl better than it being elizabeth's body) the theory of it being her body specifically because its over baby's room seems more like a hint or suggestion more than anything concrete
-i think the location is very debatable, i think its closer to the fnaf 4 gameplay house. i as well think all those foresty trees would be pretty hard to place down in what i assume was a neighborhood around fredbear's with a whole playground and stuff. since i think the fnaf 4 gameplay house and 83 house are different, that bv ran away, and this is the fnaf 4 gameplay house, i dont think fredbear's is JR's
for follow me sprites:
-people use those and the buttons as being more similar to the withered's design, placing it before fnaf 1 but personally i think the sprites are inconsistent because: the number of buttons don't match up, springtrap doesnt have any buttons on his sprite so its possible that buttons are either consistent or just magically place themselves, and shadow freddy still has his ear (in fnaf 2 and fnaf 3 he didnt so i dunno what happened here)
for the odor:
-yeah i think scott intended it to be a joke, saying that we stink
-scott probably didnt plan that far ahead
-the odor could just be from the suits which are told to us a lot to be very stinky
It would be really interesting if Midnight Motorist was about Elizabeth Afton's death, but alas there is no clear cut meaning in that minigame. I agree with not fixating on every little detail when it comes to theory crafting. Great video!
Elizabeth died after cryinch child
@@grenouillesupreme ...and?
@@grenouillesupremesomeone’s a little bit emo there wow
@@KaiaDrawzz i replied to the wrong comment my bad
@@higueraft571 well you see, since the sprit sitting is called man sitting it means it has to be michael so the ran awya kid is the crying child and since elizabeth died AFTER the crying child then it can't be about elizabeth's death, alos my last reply was for someone else sorry
Sire Squawks made an interesting theory about the safe room being sealed. The theory looks at the situation in a unique and different way that we haven’t thought about before. I would recommend checking it out.
This view is definitely one that should be taken on more aspects of the series. With so much information being available, the community tends to neglect certain pieces that don't fit with widely accepted ideas. What other things could be figured out behind small details that aren't spoken about? For instance, if Scott Cawthon had never said something about tiny Toy Chica's beak in fnaf 4, how long would it have taken for anyone to take that into consideration for theory crafting? Just taking everyhting into consideration should always be common practice. Like the car that the balloon kid is standing next to in fnaf 4 being purple (I think?). What's the map on the top left of the sister location floor plan if the top right is the fnaf 4 house and bottom left is plush trap's hallway? If every grey dot represents an animatronic then why does the hall way have five? Realized now that the top right map is that of the fnaf 4 "overworld" but why does that location for fredbear's have two dots when the spring bonnie suit should be locked behind a wall at the time Michael is seeing this map? I'm really interested in seeing what you've got coming up, keep up the great work.
>but why does that location for fredbear's have two dots when the spring bonnie suit should be locked behind a wall at the time Michael is seeing this map?
Honestly, i'd say that's more how it WAS, than how it is, especially if William hasnt been there for decades...
Say the FNAF 4 gameplay happened in the 1980s, between Elizabeth's death and the Bite, it would have to still have the animatronics there after 10-40 years, as-is...
Especially if Fredbear's has been bought and renovated several times over, before ending up in Henry's hands again, then Fazbear Ent for the Pizzaplex.
Love your videos man. One of the only CZcamsrs that as soon as I see an upload, I stop whatever I’m doing and watch. Keep doing what you’re doing!
To add to the Phone Guy thing... A detail nobody seems to care about is that Phone Guy has been in at least 3 separate Fazbear business locations. The location in FNAF 1, FNAF 2, and whatever location the recordings in FNAF 3 were from. This one person was rehired after each closing FOR SOME REASON and nobody thinks it's important at all????
Not to mention the speaker of the robotic voice in the FNaF 2 minigame.
We're going to come find them in the second Movie.
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love ur videos man. fnaf is near and dear to my heart and it makes me happy to see other people care about it :)
Same here ^-^
Some possible answers to your questions at 10:31
1. Jr's could not be Fredbear's, but it could be FNaF 2's Freddy Fazbear's, as mentions of a carousel are present in Mike's logbook, and the FNaF 2's location was the only location with carousel. There's also the fact that FNaF 2's phone calls mention that they are denying old employees and members to enter the restaurant.
2. You are assuming the crying child ran off and the mother isn't living with them at this point. You could just as easily assume that the mother is the character watching TV and the one who ran off was Michael. You are also assuming he ran off to Jr's, when you could easily assume he ran off to his brother's grave.
3. If Michael is the one who runs off, the Crying Child is already dead, and Freddy Fazbear's is already opened, then Charlie must have already died, giving start to William's killing spree and the opening and closing of Circus Baby's.
I think this line of thinking is an interesting approach, and it's not as flawed as it initially seems.
Think of it this way: This minigame could show the aftermath of all of the beginning of William's killing spree.
At this point, it's quite logical to think that Charlie's death, Susie's death and Elizabeth's death already happened. I mean, hell, it could mean that all of William's deaths already happened (if we assume this minigame happens in 1987). This could be a minigame showing the aftermath of all William's actions, with a wife who stays all day watching television and ignores her only son left, with a traumatised son who keeps running away from home, with a daughter dead and buried in the middle of the woods without anyone knowing. It also explains what you talked about in the beginning of the video, this is the moment William uses the illusion disks against Michael, so it gives FNaF 4 a motivation to happen.
Great video, and I hope you read this comment, I really would like to know what you think about it.
This entirely hinges on the status of Mrs. Afton. If she's still around and just suffering from the grief of losing 2 of her children rather than leaving the family as a result of it, then yes, this could all work. However, the theory that Ballora was made in her image after she leaves the family makes me believe that she would be gone by this point, along with the fact that we never actually see her in any of these games. Pinning this minigame as being the one time that Mrs. Afton makes an in-game appearance is really hard, although if it is, then it would explain everything else in a way that makes sense.
But if Mrs. Afton *is* already gone, then this kinda falls apart since we're missing a family member, considering Crying Child and Elizabeth are definitely dead by 1987. Also, in regards to the missing child running off to the gravesite instead of JR's, I struggle to agree since we can actually go to the gravesite and never see anyone there. I have to assume that the child went somewhere we can't access, which would mean that they're either at JR's, or a place that we aren't aware of. I can't say that it's a place we aren't aware of because that might open an entirely new rabbithole, so JR's makes the most sense in my eyes.
So yeah. We'd need to have a more in-depth discussion about Mrs. Afton, who we hardly have any information on. I won't dismiss your idea since it's entirely possible, but I think a bigger discussion on her needs to happen first.
@@Cryonide The problem is that there's no reason to think Mrs Afton is gone. She COULD be, but the fact that it's a possibility proves nothing. The Ballora theory is the only real evidence, and that's in and of itself a theory that's flimsy at best.
@@samlewis6487 >The problem is that there's no reason to think Mrs Afton is gone. She COULD be, but the fact that it's a possibility proves nothing.
There's no reason to think Mrs Afton is present either. If she was, we would have seen or HEARD of her at least once, right?
Yet we have never seen her ever. We have never even HEARD of her. Not even in the books i believe...
There's *significantly* more information to conclude "this is Henry" than Mrs Afton.
While the only evidence to conclude it's Mrs Afton is "well... it doesnt SAY she's dead/left him outright, or that it ISNT her, and it IS an Afton house..."
Henry was a Co-Owner with William, they likely knew eachother, their kids likely knew eachother, they had SOME relationship at least to make a company together.
Not to mention, if this is the night Charlie died, that means Henry wouldnt be at Fredbear's, he'd be at Afton's home, watching Michael.
He wouldnt know what Afton would be doing, or that his daughter is outside, that the Puppet cant protect her, he'd only find out after he:
A) Gets a phone call.
B) Notices she went missing, and/or finds her body later that night/morning.
I think the mound is the hatch that goes down to sister location.
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i had no idea until you mentioned your subscriber goal that you were such an unknown channel. your videos are such great explanations that i just assumed you were another big fnaf channel.. keep up the amazing work, i hope you reach your goal and many many more after that!
I really like the way your mind works! You definitely bring an angle to this series I haven’t heard before, and I’m very excited to hear more!
What are your thoughts on the funtimes being built and Elizabeth’s death before FNAF 4? I had assumed that since William has all the cameras around the crying child’s route, and the Fred bear radio in the bunker, it’s have to predate 1983, right?
I could definitely be wrong, there’s a lot to wrap your head around, but I’d love to get your thoughts on it!
Honestly, it's VERY unlikely he built the Funtimes pre-1985, or pre-Charlie at the earliest. Elizabeth HAD to die after a location closed as well. The earliest chance being post-1985 (after Freddy's closed, we know Fredbear closed as well but never confirmed when), and is believed to be 1986.
The Plush is *strange*, it could be answered by Cameras, or it's a supernatural plush, OR it could simply be Illusion Discs covering cameras...
We do know at the least, if that's William talking, he's at least pitting him against his older brother.
This guy deserve's way more subs. I love the way he brings up all of the evidence that could be used, even if HE doesn't use it in HIS theories. It promotes dividing views, but in a good way. You deserve way more subs Cryonide.
The guy on the couch in midnight motorist could be henry "babysitting" michael. You know, since mike commited manslaughter. Someone gotta watch that kid.
I think the person infront of the TV in midnight motorist is Ms. Afton. But they are bald I hear you say. Sure, but Micheal isn't bald either, when he looks in the mirror after getting scooped we can see he has hair. I find it far easear to bite the bullet that the person infront of TV is Ms. Afton, that scott just chose to depict bald, an easier bullet to swallow than making it super convoluted imo. Also, no basis for this, maybe she had cancer or maybe in grief of losing 2 children she shaved her head, idk, but having her sit infront of the TV and not say a word to William feels quite understandable if she is grieving
And, they're wearing a grey dress.
Maybe jrs is the fnaf 2 pizzeria and the footprints are from William who attracted a child to the establishment, because in fnaf 2 and said that there is an investigation going on and the phone guy says that it has nothing to do with the place, he would not say that if the disappearances had happened inside Freddy's ( maybe the orange guy can't enter the place as he is a previous employee ).
One of my biggest problems with the modern FNaF lore is the so-called "Scott doesn't do coincidences" mentality that is still prevalent within the FNaF community at large. The most infamous example of this is the "tiny toy chica's beak" which Scott admitted to being nothing more than a game design choice to make Toy Chica to look more scary but all of the sudden it possesses heavy lore implications for god knows what reason which is just stupid. Also the layout of the FNaF 4 house and the minor easter egg of Phone Guy's calls in FNaF 4 somehow qualify as "proof" that were playing as Michael Afton in FNaF 4 when in actuality these details are not significant enough to be noteworthy.
Your third point at 10:26 is honestly one of my biggest issues with people theorizing about FNAF. Why does everyone want to assume William only started killing kids after the Crying Child's death? If he really needs a reason to start killing kids, did Daumer or Manson need reasons for killing people? Elizabeth was probably first to go, which explains the empty room in FNAF 4, and why Afton would go through these hoops to keep Crying Child terrified of his animatronics. The only issue with Elizabeth dying first is that the funtimes are way too advanced for the 1980's, but they really don't make sense to be built at any point before something like FNAF 3, which takes place around 2023, just due to how advanced they are relative to anything else.
The killings starting after a child's death makes no sense with the context of the Movie.
I don’t think the purple car should be dismissed. There’s rain in both the puppet minigame and Midnight Motorist, plus tire tracks. That’s a deliberate choice by Scott, no way he draw tire tracks near Charlie and then made midnight motorist with no correlation. That’s just bad story telling, and Scott prides himself on his story telling.
The orange guy could be explained as a way for Scott to disprove Miketrap. Scott once mentioned he tries to correct common misunderstandings in the next game. The previous game was SL which made people think purpleguy=Mike=Springtrap. This could be a way to say, “No no, the killer isn’t literally purple.” Could also be a way to connect Afton to Psychic Friend Fredbear’s lines.
5:57 also, in the toy chica cutscene in ucn (the one with toy chica talking about the marionette) she says that she'll go to his house, and find a way to get him out, even says that "chimney is always an option". But what's weirder is she then says that she'll "burn his house down so he can run into her arms" which is a damage dealt to the house, just like the window
There really are that much holes in the story’s plot. God I just want coherent answers, but that’s just the sacrifice that comes with being a FNAF fan 😭
There are no holes in the plot, only in your understanding of the plot.
If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it's full of holes.
Your understanding is.
Fill in those holes in your head, and you will have the answer.
I agree that midnight motorist should be the aftermath of a murder. The question being who's murder? With that being the case, I believe it's TOYSNHK. My biggest thing is that in UCN Toy Chicas HSY there is clearly a hidden victim. Most say that the TOYSNHK is represented by William beating him with a shovel. But I think this matches with Williams outright inviting a kid to "his house" and if that doesn't work "finding a window, or chimney, or setting the house on fire" to them out. I think William lured them to the window with the yellow suit next to him, broke the window, grabbed him and ran.
Definitely disagree here, TOYSHNK was 100% one of the MCI kids.
I dont think the Chica secret really relates to that, considering *Pigpatch*, alongside both Wolf and Foxy being there. Also the puppet.
Really, out of the 6 characters, only THREE of them could be linked to the MCI, that being Freddy, Foxy, and Bonnie (not to mention Foxy and Bonnie are the Funtime and Toy variants respectively)
Frankly, my belief is that TOYSHNK was Gfreddy during MCI. Why?
First, they were shoved IN A SPRINGLOCK SUIT and died.
Then, with the DCI that supposedly happened, that SAME suit was worn. TOYSHNK would have been forced to watch William do it all over again, practically powerless to stop him, forced to relive that nightmare, but from the Killer's eyes this time.
It's at the same time the most brutal, vaguely like the HSY thing, but SIGNIFICANTLY more reasonable/in-line with what's been established and not going into Matpat Territory...
I would like to let you know about my take on midnight motorist.
I believe that mm takes place a week before the bite of 83. I believe that orange guy *is* William afton, coming home from killing Charlie. He comes home and crying child has ran off to fredbears. I believe that while cc was at fredbears, he witnessed Charlotte's death and believed that the animatronics (presumably puppet) killed her. I think that's "what he saw". And at the end of MM William says that cc "will be sorry when he gets back" And I think MM leads directly into the FNaF4 minigames. William makes him sorry by "locking him in his room again" as we see in the 1st fnaf4 minigame.
I know that there are some issues that come with this theory, like why he killed Charlotte and why Elizabeth is already dead but I chalk it up to cc's death not being Williams motivation. Perhaps his motivation is an anterior motive, such as him being jealous of Henry.
If anyone has proof or anything to combat my theory, please do lmk
You're so right about midnight motorist bro it all just clicked in my head
Omg the GarageBand music playing in the background is both funny and entertaining 😂😂😂❤ love the video
somewhere around 4:00 you mentioned William getting spring locked and sealed. If we were to take FnaF 1-3 as a contained story with William ending up in the springlock by FnaF 3 (which we know takes place 30 years after FnaF 1) The boarding up of the room phone guy was talking about (was in the fnaf 1 location, the one where the withered animatronics were left) happened prior to his cannon event. My evidence is this, A (Deceased) employee wearing the shadow freddie suit was able to enter the backroom that only employees knew about. My thought is William also heard that tape by phone guy as a night guard and disassembled them with full knowledge of the room's inconspicuous nature to the withered animatronics. The reason the spring bonnie suit is there: it was left behind as the spring suits were recalled by that point.
I think too that the orange guy isn't William, for the same reasons but also for two others that you didn't mention, so here they are if this can help you/confort you in the idea that Orange guy isn't directly william :
Can we all agree on the global feeling of "ending" that fnaf 6 had, lore-wise, it tied up a LOT of loose ends from the previous game, and it even was the main reason why this game existed according to the Scott interview from Dawko.
So, i thought to myself : " In this LAST game, very EXPLICIT game, to the point where during henry last speech, we see screenshots of the "take cake to the children" minigame while he speeks of the puppet "taking care" of the others, an OBVIOUS link that everyone would have made anyway (this is just an example of how obvious and clear this game is). In this game, the purple guy is switched to orange without any reason ???
It's not because he isn't a killer yet (if this truly happened just after he killed henry's daughter), and for no other methaphorical reason.
I just find this soooo weird and against the global feeling and tone of this game. After years of fans comparing shades of purpule, scott just changes it to orange just to confuses us in the game who's supposed to be more clear than the previous ones ??? It feels odd.
I'm not saying that Scott wouldn't make this type of troll just to make our brains melt, he clearly likes to play with us, with a LOT of characters being called "jeremy" for exemple, or Mike being a purpule guy but not THE purpule guy in the SL custom night cinematic. It's just that here, it doesn't fit the purpose of the game.
And the second thing i want to add is : If we in deed play as william, what story does this minigame tells us ? That william goes to the bar ? That the crying child life is hard and that he maybe ran away ??? (NOTHING NEW, with this lecture, the minigame doesn't have any goal or precise meaning). It would be an entire minigame in the LAST game of the franchise with no precise purpose or meaning... Strange
(sorry if bad english, i'm french) Great video anyway ! Keep going
CONGRATULATIONS ON 2K SUBS MAN!
Hmm fact I forgot about those details.
It seems like the midnight motorist is too conflicting with lore, if it wasn't for the the fruit maze mini game and the Junior's location it would have perfect sense.
i really like your videos, thanks for making them!
If you look at Plushtraps shadow when you win the mini game, there’s no bunny ears in the shadow, only the endoskeleton.
I think maybe the motorist was William hiding Elizabeth’s death at the burial site and staging it to look like their home was broken into by breaking the window and pretending she was kidnapped, to cover his tracks
I think that Midnight Motorist takes place either shortly after the death of the crying child, or Elizabeth, and its the Afton family. If its the crying childs death, they wanted to bury him somewhere more personal than a cemetery, and that Michael running off. if its after Elizabeths death, William buried her somewhere so that no one else could find her body, and its once again Michael running off.
I just want to outline how if the crying child were to have broken out of the window, that would simply be not possible. If the window was broken out of there would be shards of glass outside the window, however there is very clearly none, implying that someone, or something (who I suspect to be William Afton, will elaborate on this) breaking in. The reason I think this is William Afton is because this family might not even be the Afton's in the first place. This could be some random family, or a family of a known death that nobody can put their finger on. The large animatronic looking footprint could possibly be the spring lock suit Afton is known for using to capture and kill children with. This could take place before or during the missing children incident at the original fazbear entertainment meaning this could just be giving a little more insight into backstory behind one of many murders that William committed. Probably a very bad theory and there is most definitely holes in it but I would love to see a video of you elaborating on this idea. Thanks to anyone that read this far :)
The person in the chair could by Henry taking care of Michael which explains why a drunken William (we can assume Jr's. is a bar) doesn't lash out them when they tell him to not be harsh on Michael.
I do have a idea for what MM means, the child is Cassidy and YG is there dad coming home to the sight of a break in/murder done by William in the Golden Bonnie Suit, but when it started to rain William freaks out cause he could die, but when he gets out the suit in a hurry, Cassidy hears him and sees him, causing William to freak out and break in to kill her/him
Edit: just remembered you made a video with the EXACT same thing and now I feel stupid.
@@Undertale-Orange Honestly, my main problem is the fact that:
TOYSHNK/Cassidy *died in the Freddy's location, they were lured into a saferoom with the other 4 kids.*
During open hours, at that.
Are you telling me he...
walked out of the Freddy's location, in one of the expensive mascot uniforms (after they were retired), walked all the way through the woods at night to some random ass house, broke in, grabbed a child while it was raining, *dragged her back through the woods, into the establishment, into the saferoom, THEN killed her?*
Not to mention, if he got out of the suit, where the hell is it?? He 100% killed with the suit on, as well.
Alas, last i checked, William isnt a cryptid like Bigfoot
@@higueraft571 I do think that it IS a little weird but here’s how I thought of it; after William killed Charlotte, he loved how killing made him feel, he wanted more, so he found a home close to Freddy’s, grabbing the Spring Bonnie suit to lure them away, but while William was trying to lure the child out, it began to rain, William knowing that the Spring Locks could snap at any second, gets out of the suit, causing a lot of noise to erupt, this noise caused Cassidy to look out there window, as the two lock eyes, William freaks out, he wouldn’t get away if the child told there parents, so in a fit of anger, he breaks the window and kills Cassidy, mutilating there body be recognition, seeing there body in such a twisted state, he buries them on a old road.
But after he discovers remnant, he realized that he could use there body for experiments, he digs out there mutilated body while wearing the suit, there could be no witnesses. (The fact that they were already dead before getting stuffed could explain the ghoulish properties of golden Freddy.)
“Later that night” to me , sounds like it was either the post death of Elizabeth or CC. He drives homes drunk, his son Michael has ran away again
I want to say that 4 must be a nightmare for the very simple reason that a child would never be able to hold a door closed against the Hulk. It works if it's a nightmare because it doesn't have to be realistic, but otherwise it'd be kinda dumb.
When u said William is dead by the time fnaf 1 roles around h didn’t take into account the fact the he is spring locked in the fnaf 1 location after he dismantles the animatronics which would not make sense if it was before fnaf 1 as they are fine in the game
Part of me believes that the minigame could be the aftermath of the bite of 83.
i clicked on this video like 75% bc fnaf and 25% bc i was like "is that. . meister???"
It's almost baffling to me how many people recognize YTTD in this fandom, I really thought it was still my niche little VN that barely anybody knew about 😭
@@Cryonide LMAO same I rlly wasn't expecting to see someone using assets from in a fnaf video !
Dude. Even Scott doesn't know what the Midnight Motorist minigame means lmao
I honestly think that based on how little information we have about Mrs Afton, I think it's a bit too quick to jump to the conclusion she's dead by Midnight Motorist. I think she also makes the most sense based on the dialogue if Michael is the child that's run away. People who think Mike's the one watching TV never seem to consider the unlikely nature of one child asking their father not to go hurt the other. However, a broken mother who has lost two of her children and spends all her days in front of the TV may just have enough energy to plead with her husband - but not enough to do anything about it when he ignores her.
Also Mike is far more rebellious and outgoing than the crying child, so (unless he was taken away by whatever animatronic left its footprints) I think it's far more likely for Mike to break his own window and run away, rather than the crying child who we know is prone to breaking down into crying fits.
I also have a feeling that the lack of purple on William's sprite is supposed to represent something. I always saw purple as the colour of a fazbear/fredbear uniform, so perhaps now that Fredbear's is closed, the orange sprite is supposed to represent William no longer having any stake in the company. ALSO the FNAF 6 cutscenes clearly show Fazbear employees in two coloured uniforms/suits - orange and purple, sometimes both at the same time.
It used tp be so simple, then more and more hot added to an already complete story, and we see where that went
a theory i heard from awhile ago from a channel with only like 50 subs, i’ll edit this and link him after. But he said that midnight motorist happens after the death of (i forget her name but henry’s daughter). he killed her in a drunken stupor which is why he’s not allowed back into the bar and the person watching the TV is actually henry who has been helping william watch mike while he deals with grief. The only thing i am changing about his theory is he said that the marionette was created because he didn’t want his daughter to die from a animatronic but i think of it more as a nanny bit since he’ll be working more and can’t watch his daughter all the time. The other thing i’m adding is that because of the footsteps outside of the window mike wasn’t coursed into leaving he just left because the animatronic that william had left outside his window was gone (it could also be william inside of spring vinny suit or fredbear because he couldn’t forgive his son for killing his son ( just kinda spit ballin here but those are my thoughts)
It was a combo of @Brussel ‘s theory and @Shizuh31 ‘s theory
Guys, come on clearly the phone guy sound means we were playing as phone guy after he got bit and brought to the hospital (this is sarcastic)
My hot takes:
1) In contrast to MatPat’s timeline , I think the FNAF3 minigames are after after FNAF1; otherwise, the possessed endoskeletons have already been taken by William, so the animatronics should be inactive and non-hostile.
2) William only has six victims: Charlie, and the five named kids.
Firstly, the fact that we only have names for Charlie and the gang that inhabit the original five from FNAF1 seems really almost rude to me, as if the other five aren’t important…or that there aren’t another five, and we’re still talking about the same group. Hell, that whole gang even get a “Happiest Day” from the puppet trying to free them…how come we see *nothing* about the other five?
Secondly, all the FNAF2 animatronics are hostile during the week, which makes me wonder if we’re playing sometime after the events the Phone Guy speaks of; if not, then the animatronics are hostile *in spite* of not all being possessed yet. Also, the Toy animatronics are scrapped to rebuild the old ones that we end up seeing in FNAF1; if the Toys were possessed, then that’d leave two souls in each FNAF1 animatronic.
Counter arguments: William could’ve scrapped the Toy animatronics and instead used them to build the Funtimes, alluding to the “5 into 1” stuff that Candy Cadet talks about. Also, it is stated that security footage saw someone in the Spring Bonnie suit luring the children back into the safe room, whereas the bodies in the FNAF2 minigames are apparently all over the place; that could mean their souls are lingering in these random places, but it probably only means that William [REDACTED] a different group of children from the original group.
3) William didn’t stuff the animatronic suits: the Puppet did. I mean, the “Give Gifts, Give Life” minigame basically confirms that for me; whatever the Puppet’s gift was, it is either refused or unable to be received. As such, the Puppet instead gives them Life…stuffing them into the suits, capped of by placing the head on top.
(This might explain why they wanna stuff the Nighttime Security Guard in FNAF1, if he’s Mike: they might see him as just as dead/dying as they were, and are just trying to pull a “Give Gifts, Give Life” on him too)
I think Scott genuinely forgot about the 5 kids from FNAF2 because they are not mentioned ANYWHERE save for Matpat's timeline.
if u want my take, here is what i think, i think since scott is the one who said nothing in the games is put random, this means every detail is important right, i personally see the lore like only main base discovered but the secrets that rest well even today hidden are many im pretty sure. Things started to overshadow these secrets when fnaf SL came out until now, during the fnaf 1 - world era a lot of secrets were considered important until the new era came out of fnaf where people kinda started to ignore those and i hope one day we will have a definitive timeline including all secrets and what they mean.
I just think that the fnaf 1 phone call in fnaf 4 means something because I remember seeing a post somewhere (I think it was steam) that Scott made after realising fnaf 4 and it said that he didn't put any easter eggs in the game for no reason. It seems as if he wanted to make the fans search for more because most of it got fnaf 4 wrong.
Also 9:01 but Baby was built before Elizabeth died so Ballora also could have been built before William's wife disappeared.
Considering that Michael drew nightmare fredbear in his logbog while working at Freddy's, I'm I clinded to believe that fnaf 4 takes place either before or concurrently with fnaf 1
We didn't "misunderstand" what fnaf 4 was trying to tell us, Scott changed the meaning of it. It's so clearly a nightmare from the crying child that got changed because dream theory sucks. If it was always intended to be Mike then why is the player character so short?
I feel like if Scott had just admitted when some decisions were *just* to fix old designs choices instead of trying to make them all lore relevant along with already unneeded details, that the lore wouldn’t be as much a mess as it is currently.
Nice video!
Or maybe the dirt pile is Elizabeth's grave because she was inadvertently killed by William, therefore being a victim of his.
I still think Orange Guy is William Afton. The person in the chair could very well be Ms. Afton and the "runaway child" could be Michael, as he is traumatized from participating to The Bite of '83 and probably engages in unwanted behaviors like running away from home or going to "that place again". The animatronic footprints could be one of the illusion-disk-powered Nightmare animatronics like Nightmare Fredbear that William is using in an attempt to deter Michael from engaging with the Fazbear franchise in order to protect him from further harm, Michael being his only child left. The reason Fredbear or any Nightmare animatronic would be outside the Afton house in the rain is beyond me through...
I don't know why so many people disregard the obvious connection between the twisted ones and the Nightmares; really good video
3:45 No he isn’t?
The fact that the animatronics are still completely intact during FNaF 1 disproves this.
It really starts to feel like people have to choose what details they want to view as important and what details they want to ignore.
I’d say a way to have the Midnight Motorist game depicting the Aftons would probably be if Mike was the one running away after seeing maybe Nightmare Fredbear outside and the person sitting at the TV could be Henry. However I do actually like your take on the idea of what it is because it would make sense alongside the other minigames.
>if Mike was the one running away after seeing maybe Nightmare Fredbear outside
This kinda doesnt fit.
Likely an animatronic made to try and Scare Michael/keep him inside? But it seems likely whatever the reason for him going to "that place" is CC.
@higueraft571 "that place" could be referring to cc's grave, also, the foot prints could alternatively be from a shadow animatronic
@@just_knight If it's "that place", then we would see Michael there :V
He's either inside JR's (Fredbear's), or some offscreen location likely
Personally, I think that FNAF 4 is Michael's nightmares about what his father put him through after Evan's death. At the very least, I think the ambiance that plays the phone call has to be, because otherwise it makes absolutely no sense for it to be there. Something similar to FNAF 4 clearly happened at some point, judging by the cams in sister location, but unless the phone guy was completely made up by William (which would be a whole other nonsensical mystery), he couldn't have played that call
Someone considered Freddy and Bonnie having buttons in FNAF 3's 8-bit scenes means it was before they were refurbished, but their classic selves in FNAF World falsely have buttons...
So.... I have a few points for the FNaF 4 section.
1. Scott explicitly said in a steam post that he didn't fill the game with random easter eggs... so the FNaF 1 ambience may yet mean something.
2. You say it doesn't fit bc you are (imo) misinterpreting somethings. William couldn't have been sealed up by FNaF 1 based on the FNaF 3 phone calls bc... those calls take place at or around the time of the MCI. The DCI still has to take place and William still needs to be alive.
And I'm working on a MM theory rn and while I think we play as Afton, I still want to hear other's opinions on it. The stuff you brought up in this video were interesting and worth considering. I will be subbing so I don't miss your MM part 2. :)
The fnaf 4 minigame house is not the same house in midnight motorist. The house in fnaf 4 is clearly located in a populated residential area, while the midnight motorist home is in a more secluded wooded area. The layout of the interiors of both houses dont line up either. My guess is that William probably owned multiple houses or properties, or one of 2 the houses was mrs afton's, while the other would be william's
@@dissonantharmonic I'm pretty sure the house above the SL facility IS their actual house, and the FNaF 4 house is in the woods or on a hill.
To debunk the first one. Scott himself said that FNAF 4 has NO RANDOM easter eggs. So this means that every Easter egg in FNAF 4 has lore relevance. So the Phone Guy call audio clip, 100% proves that Micheal Afton is the FNAF 4 player.
these videos are good, i hope you get more attention soon. a small piece of feedback, i think maybe the background music is a bit too much? it's distracting sorta. but the video is still enjoyable regardless!
the yttd music jumpscared me ngl, wasnt expecting it
wasn't fnaf 4 actually meant to reveal that everything was a dream until it was changed or am i crazy?
I think Elizabeth dies before FNaF 4, her room is empty in game and there is a broken Toy Foxy toy on the ground(could be a reference to her being "broken").
Wait why wouldn’t Afton build the robots before the killing spree? I assumed he made the kid snatching bots, they killed Elizabeth, and then Afton was like screw it I’ll do it myself.
Michael could be seen as William's victim and the aftermath would be after the fnaf 4 experiments. That would explain Midnight Motorist and fit with the pattern of the other 2 minigames
Love the yttd visuals and music
The problem with 4 is that “it’s all a dream including the first few games” was probably cannon when that game was released. Then Scott decided to retcon that because it was terribly unsatisfying.
That’s really why 4 doesn’t work well: why doesn’t Chica have a beak? Because it’s a dream. Why is there the phone guy’s audio? FNAF 1 was a dream as well. But it’s even simpler than all that: what “is seen in the shadows which is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child?” Nothing makes sense as a misunderstanding if everything in the games literally happened.
4:22 Scott Cawthon said in one of his steam posts that there were no random easter eggs put in fnaf 4.
I got a theory, the grave is the mom, the guy in watching TV is Michael, the kid from the room with the broken glass is the crying child, Jr's is a bar, and the footsteps are shadow freddy, this happens on the night of Charlie's death and shadow freddy is luring CC to the grave to feed on his tears(tears are a way to release agony and shadow freddy is a agony creature) there's a book(I don't remember what it was called) where shadow bonnie becomes bigger and stronger the more this kid gets mad(he's feeding on agony) and I think supposed to hint at the fact that nightmare is shadow freddy after he feeds on agony of CC, I bet it was the bite of 83 gave him push from shadow freddy to nightmare(it also might be that same reason for why he looks like fredbear/golden freddy)and the drawing michael made in the book isn't fredbear, it's nightmare(shadow freddy) because he's the only real thing in fnaf 4
Another edit: that place he's referring to is the grave, not fredbears
Bonus details:
The building being called Jr's instead of just Bar or Pub or whatever--why give something so generic a name if it doesn't matter at all? Since Jr is often given to a son named after the father, maybe it's a rebrand of Fred bears or even Chica's restaurant to reference it being a branched-off restaurant based on the original establishment. Either that or it's a daycare--where you would put little Jr to be watched while you go to work. Something like that. I just think there's potential here.
The camera Easter egg in SL showing the fnaf 4 map and how everything in these is untouched--to me, this implies that either not a lot of time has passed since fnaf 4 happened or the house is still owned by the Afton family and not touched otherwise. Even if the house was sold with the furniture, new families would have made changes, but it seems pretty preserved. If it isn't being preserved, then it implies that not a lot of time has passed. This probably further proves the theory that the home was used to torture Michael or run illusion disc experiments.
Bro this is great and game theory HAS TO get on this
i cant believe you are at only 1k subs you deserve more
For the first thing you brought up, it still could make sense that the events of the 4th game happened after the 1st game. If I remember correctly, it's an accepted theory that the Sister Location takes place underneath the Afton house hold and if we are to assume the first game happened first the the order of events could go as followed; Mike takes the night shift position at an old Freddy's location and feels encouraged to do as his father once advised him and find Baby. He goes back home where his father said she'd be and decides to stay the night there before venturing down to the basement. Once the night begins he soon finds out that the nightmare animatronics from his youth are still active and out to get him. Now as for the second... I don't have much to say other than I agree 👍
Matpat was insane in his ultimate timeline, circus baby's entertainment and rental in NOT underneath the afton house and we have a map to prove it and also common sense, it's NOT an accepted theory at all, it's wrong
@@grenouillesupreme >circus baby's entertainment and rental in NOT underneath the afton house and we have a map to prove it
I agree the MAIN FUCKING ENTRANCE is not in William's secret tunnel, in his personal office, but name one map where a separate level is just haphazardly tossed over the first.
It's not shown exactly relative because it's SHOWING the map layout, and that it does connect.
It certainly isnt built entirely under his house, but i DO believe part of it extends out/connects to it, for sure.
Main problem with this: We 100% absolutely play a child of some kind, not a grown adult.
@@higueraft571 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the house is adjacent to the entrance.
I think the FNaF phone call is just an easter egg because FNaF 4 was supposed to be the final chapter or whatever
could it be Afton's wife in the chair and Mike who has run away? Perhaps he goes to JR's (if it was Fredbear's) to feel connected to his brother who died (the crying child) and feels his family falling apart with Elizabeth's "disappearance"?
Do we know when Mrs. Afton left?
This is a video so many theorists (casual or CZcams this is not calling people out) should watch, it NEEDS to be said
I do like this theory but it kinda hinges on your assumption that the mother is gone, if she's alive she could be the one in the chair and Mike could be the young boy who ran away to Fred's. Of course I'm not saying this is the case but bringing this up and maybe finding a hole in it other than the wife being PRESUMABLY gone would add more credence to this theory
I was only so brief about it because Mrs. Afton is a character that we know so little about. I'd love to give more information on her, but... There really isn't much definitive evidence on who she is and how long she's in the picture.
@@Cryonide Fair, it does suck how Henry and William's wives are such non characters in the franchise when they're related to every other super important character in the franchise
@@ErisCZcams We hardly know about *Henry*, outside the books, doubly so for their wives if they didnt play much part (aside from having the kids to be murdered)
Especially if Mrs Afton left a fairly unstable man before the bite happened :V