Why did destroying the One Ring kill Sauron?

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  • In this video, we look at why the destruction of the One Ring meant the end of Sauron, and the reasons why he could not exist without it.
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  • @ghyslainabel
    @ghyslainabel Před rokem +37

    I never understood until now why Yavanna could not recreate the 2 trees. Now I get it. Thank you for the insight!

    • @krzysztofczarnecki8238
      @krzysztofczarnecki8238 Před rokem +6

      My idea of why it didn't happen was that there is this concept of a true masterpiece in Silmarilion, like the Silmarils, the Two Trees, or the Two Lamps. Something you can only create once in your life and never again, because it came out so good it is way above your skill and creativity level. In addition to all you can do normally, you just got lucky (call that what you like, but there is a probabilistic element to it). And the idea that something like this can happen even to god-like beings as well is one of my favourite things about this book. It offers an explaination for not starting over when mistakes were made that other religious texts often don't.

  • @SNWWRNNG
    @SNWWRNNG Před rokem +30

    In essence, Sauron had remote access to the power he put into the Ring (though not to the enhancements granted by wearing it) - the only ways to cut him off from that power are destroying the Ring, or someone mighty like Gandalf claiming the Ring and wresting control of it from Sauron.

  • @martinbennett8752
    @martinbennett8752 Před rokem +17

    According to Tolkien in the Silmarillion, (of the rings of power and the third age) the elves of Noldorin established Eregion, and a reputation for craftmanship, the greatest of all being Celebrimbor. These elves were the ones to receive Sauron (or Annatar The Lord of Gifts as he styled himself): Elrond and Gil-galad were more cautious and would not admit this fair seeming, fair speaking stranger to Lindon.
    Sauron was a Maia of Aule, whose Lordship was over the substances of which Arda was made, a smith and master of all crafts, delighting in works of skill. Taught we presume by Aule, Sauron had much to teach the elves of Eregion. The Noldor wanted to extend their skills and the subtlety of their work: you might say they were greedy for knowledge.
    The elven-smiths of Ost-in-Edhil then “took thought and made Rings of Power” using the skills and knowledge passed down to them by Sauron. Tolkien says he “guided their labours and was aware of all that they did; for his desire was to set a bond on the Elves and to bring then under his vigilance”. The elves under Sauron’s tutelage it seems first made lesser rings (according to Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings) - prototypes - which like the Great Ring were plain and unadorned, before going on to make the Nine and the Seven. But the Three Rings Sauron never had a hand in: he may only have realised their existence when he completed the One Ring in secret and put it on: just as the Elves were aware of him at that moment, he was aware of them, and they took off their rings.
    So it may be that Rings of Power were first conceived by the Elves, and Sauron took advantage of this letting them run with the idea and teaching them how to store energy (spirit energy) in the rings, rather like perpetual batteries. The three which could ward off the passage of time and world-weariness may have been charged with elemental earth energy.
    Much of Sauron’s strength and will (spirit?) was committed to the One Ring, whose function was to rule all the others - dominate the thoughts and minds of the wearers. Sauron plus the ring was at full power, power used to build the foundations of Mordor. When Isildur cut the ring from Sauron’s finger he was separated from a huge part of the power and lost (or deliberately abandoned) his corporeal existence, but the power of the One Ring still sustained what had been done with the ring - in the same way that what was done with the Three remained: Galadriel was able to shield and defend Lothlorien and keep it blooming.
    The One Ring may even have possessed a form of limited sentience: its purpose was to get back to its master: it betrayed Isildur. It tempted Galadriel and Sam and even Frodo succumbed in the end.
    When his first physical form perished in the ruin of Numenor, his spirit came back to Mordor and taking up the One Ring, created a new and terrible body - he had lost the ability to assume a pleasing shape and form. After the defeat by Isildur, Sauron still wanted to interact with the physical world, but without the one Ring, he probably used more of the Spirit power left to him slowly creating a new body to inhabit, just as his Master Morgoth squandered his power with Ungoliant (Ungoliant had grown great and he less by the power that had gone out of him).
    So when the One Ring was destroyed, the energy contained within it was released (like a bomb), everything in Mordor created with the ring started to crumble, and Sauron’s last physical form was destroyed too - leaving a maimed and almost power-less (literally) spirit.

    • @theancienteternaloaktree
      @theancienteternaloaktree Před rokem +1

      This is a very complete answer. And a good one, I think. I agree. Sauron was not destroyed though. He was deflated of power within Arda. Almost completely. But as a Maiar, he would still have had a remaining, albeit diminished, shadow in Eä, because that part of his essence preexisted his physical manifestation in Middle Earth.

    • @raf7305
      @raf7305 Před rokem +1

      So this maimed spirit of Sauron, was he still like a localised type of threat/power in the regions of Mordor/Rhun?

    • @KororaPenguin
      @KororaPenguin Před rokem +1

      @@raf7305
      No, he was utterly helpless.

    • @neil999ish
      @neil999ish Před rokem +2

      This is my understanding too, that he would be powerless and gnaw on himself in the darkness, unable to resume form or power.

  • @HenhousetheRed
    @HenhousetheRed Před rokem +20

    The One Ring is a physically manifested and crystalized form of Sauron's "power." Power meaning the potential for action externalized beyond one's self.
    Tolkien wrote in 1958 (Letter 279), about Sauron's creation of the ring as “a mythical way of representing the truth that potency (or perhaps rather potentiality) if it is to be exercised, and produce results, has to be externalized and so as it were passes, to a greater or less degree, out of one’s direct control."
    The ring enhances Sauron because power/potency must be externalized to affect great change. The risk of externalizing it into the ring is the reward for greater potential. The cost is that when Sauron was separated from it, he was weakened. The end result is that if the ring is destroyed, Sauron and everything he built using the ring would be ended.
    He never envisioned being separated from it, however. And he never envisioned anyone would have the will to destroy it, he himself not being capable of undoing it. He feared above all else that the ring would fall into the hands of someone who could take it from him and claim it as their own, which would undo (but not destroy) Sauron.

    • @johns1625
      @johns1625 Před rokem +2

      I always thought of it kind of like literally pouring your soul out and smashing it into gold atoms one at a time to "forge" it into a physical object so you can use it to amplify will and power. And it fits he would be the one Ainu to figure out how to do this. Sauron is a wonderful villain

  • @AlexEvett55
    @AlexEvett55 Před rokem +3

    The return of the king

  • @bleekskaduwee6762
    @bleekskaduwee6762 Před rokem +7

    So glad your back brother, I was really excited to see a new video from you

  • @TheMasonK
    @TheMasonK Před rokem +1

    Welcome back brother! Great stuff!

  • @LeHobbitFan
    @LeHobbitFan Před rokem +5

    Glad to see you back and better than ever, friend! Here's to a happy New Year

  • @cathrynbyrnes8737
    @cathrynbyrnes8737 Před rokem +5

    Great video! I’d always wondered if either Sauron or Saruman (or both) would have been able to eventually gather enough energy to return, and wreak havoc again, even if it took ages to do so.

    • @kattastadir-sydri
      @kattastadir-sydri Před rokem +1

      Saruman? He dead dear stone cold dead

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +3

      Gandalf doesn't seem to think so. He's not all-knowing, but I'd be willing to believe him.

    • @cathrynbyrnes8737
      @cathrynbyrnes8737 Před rokem

      Well that’s a relief 🤣 Thank you guys!

  • @AdrianMartinez-ho6db
    @AdrianMartinez-ho6db Před rokem +2

    Glad your back brother 💪🏾

  • @stued9329
    @stued9329 Před rokem +1

    Nice to see you back!

  • @hodgrix
    @hodgrix Před rokem +1

    Nice to have you back!

  • @random22026
    @random22026 Před 5 měsíci +1

    2:47 to 2:56 KEY POINTS! Saruman is made impotent upon physical death (and due to the choices he made in life, loses the power that was invested in him). Gendalf is RE-EMBODIED, and RE-EMPOWERED, due to the choices he made as Gandalf the Grey. Eru Iluvatar KNOWS ALL, and follows through accordingly. 🙏🏻HIgh FIVE!🙏🏻 Looking at Sauron's death with respect to the choices he made in life, Does Not Bode Well for HIs Soul, AT ALL.
    As for investing in NFTs? ⛔⛔🚫🚫Good Call! 😁😁

  • @lawrencetalbot8346
    @lawrencetalbot8346 Před rokem +28

    So One Ring is always trying to get back to its Master, and is loyal to no one but Sauron. This is why it slips away from Isildur, Gollum, and even Bilbo from time to time. So why would Sauron be scared someone would use the Ring against him? If someone bearing the Ring were to challenge Sauron, couldn’t it in theory slip off that person and return to Sauron? Seems like that would be a rather convenient way to return to its Master.

    • @lizardlegend42
      @lizardlegend42 Před rokem +11

      Idk for sure but it could be a sufficiently strong will could bend the rings will towards themselves. Bilbo and Gollum obviously would not have the will to do this, perhaps Isildur would but to me it seemed as though he didn't fully understand it, seeking to keep it not as a weapon but as an heirloom. He may not have sufficiently respected the ring's power in his hubris and succumbed to its temptation anyway.
      Although when I say that even if someone were able to do this they would of course still inevitably fall to correption.
      Sauron might not even fully understand all aspects of the ring himself, hence his fear someone of sufficient strength may be able to use it against him.

    • @khamulthewack4732
      @khamulthewack4732 Před rokem +9

      You're right on the money, and that's why someone like Aragorn or Boromir couldn't use it. Badass as they were, most men and elves probably couldn't master the Ring to turn it against Sauron.
      However, someone like Gandalf or Galadriel, who's a fuck off angelic spirit wizard and a timeless elf sorceress respectively, *could* actually master the Ring and turn it against Sauron. At which point, it wouldn't behave the same way as before. It would do whatever its new master wanted it to. If Gandalf became it's master and then was killed somehow, it would probably anchor Gandalf to the world like it did for Sauron and probably try to return to Gandalf however it could.

    • @HenhousetheRed
      @HenhousetheRed Před rokem +19

      Unlike the film adaptations, the One Ring does NOT only serve Sauron. The ring seeks to always return to Sauron, but it can be claimed by someone else. He actively feared the ring being used against him by someone of great power, and it is what he came to expect of his enemies. Which is why he never envisioned the ring would be destroyed, because he believed no one would resist it. However, it would take someone of considerable mental and spiritual strength to claim the ring from Sauron. Gandalf and Galadriel could have claimed the ring and overthrown Sauron. Even Aragorn had the potential to claim the ring and challenge Sauron, or at least he feared this to be possible.

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem +5

      The Ring (whatever level of agency it actually has) shows what we would interpret as "loyalty" to its master, but its master can change. Gandalf was mighty enough to have a chance to claim it for himself and succeed.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +3

      In the cases you mention, I believe the Ring slipped off at times when the wearer was not particularly paying attention to it. Even Isildur was more focused on trying to swim even though he had put the Ring on in order to escape. Someone using the Ring to challenge Sauron would be focused on the Ring so I think a reasonable explanation is that it couldn't just slip off whenever it "wanted" to.

  • @Yacovo
    @Yacovo Před rokem +1

    Thanks for the video

  • @adamloverin231
    @adamloverin231 Před rokem +1

    Welcome back, and remember, humor is the cure of all ills.

  • @mecurio541
    @mecurio541 Před rokem +8

    Darthy, Were there any sea monsters in Tolkien's legendarium aside from the watcher of the water? Did the Numenoreans or other seafarer civilizations ever encountered them?

    • @DavidMacDowellBlue
      @DavidMacDowellBlue Před rokem

      There is a reference somewhere among the unfinished stories and essays of a kind of fish dragon.

    • @galacticknight55544
      @galacticknight55544 Před rokem +1

      The Watcher itself is also a fascinating mystery. Was it one of the nameless things beneath Moria?

    • @salez9830
      @salez9830 Před rokem

      There is fastitocalon in the hobbit poem of the same name in ''Adventures of Tom Bombadil'. It's a giant turtle living in the sea, partly submerged with plants actually living on top of him making him look like a real island, that led many travelers to confusion and drowning when the creature submerged in the water.
      It's unclear, whether the creature actually existed in Middle-earth or was supposed to be hobbit's invention, but I like to believe he's real part of Legendarium.

  • @lauriallantorni3761
    @lauriallantorni3761 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thank you!

  • @kattastadir-sydri
    @kattastadir-sydri Před rokem +1

    Gandalf explains this quite well to Frodo in the movies, don’t know how the books handle it

  • @cantsneedgaming4591
    @cantsneedgaming4591 Před rokem

    Hey you're back!

  • @jasonweeks6318
    @jasonweeks6318 Před rokem +4

    my guess is he poured so much of himself into it that destroying the ring would have A. killed him or B. rendered him so powerless to the point of where sam could have kicked him in the precious and he couldnt have done anything about it.

    • @brucenorman8904
      @brucenorman8904 Před rokem +1

      B

    • @neil999ish
      @neil999ish Před rokem +1

      It is my reading of the books that Sauron had put so much of his power into the ring, that if it was destroyed i think the qoute was "become a powerless being, never able to gain shape or form and just gnaw in the darkness", or words to that effect. Not that he would be killed, but never able to menace or rise again.

  • @michaelsavage7884
    @michaelsavage7884 Před rokem +1

    Roger Garland is one my favorites for Tolkiens World Art.

  • @_PovertyLabs_
    @_PovertyLabs_ Před rokem

    I will remember,,, thanks.

  • @CaIypsoJ
    @CaIypsoJ Před rokem +1

    Excellent channel. I always wondered if the original intention of the ring was to give Sauron the power to possess the wearer. Maybe this is why the ring was such a corrupting force for any ring bearer? The ability of the ring to corrupt was extreme even by Middle Earth standards. Perhaps Sauron's spirit was too weakened after two passings for the ring to complete its original function and it could only create lackeys to help him gain power?

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem +2

      The original intent was for Sauron to wear the Ring forever and control the Elves wearing all the other Rings through it. But the Elves saw through that too early so Sauron conquered Eregion and redistributed the elvish rings he captured there to Dwarves and Men.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +1

      Sauron's original plan from the mid-2nd Age was, using the Annatar disguise, to fool the Elves into working with him to create the first 16 Rings of Power which would be given to the Elves. As Sauron worked with Celebrimbor to create these Rings, he made sure that the wearers of the Rings could be dominated by the wearer of the One Ring; i.e. Sauron. Sauron never intended for anyone else but him to wear the One Ring. When this plan failed, Sauron managed to recover these 16 Rings through war and later repurposed them into the 7 and the 9.

    • @CaIypsoJ
      @CaIypsoJ Před rokem +1

      @@SNWWRNNG Thank you.

    • @CaIypsoJ
      @CaIypsoJ Před rokem +1

      @@istari0 Thank you. People on this channel have a university level knowledge of these works. I'm working on getting there.

  • @greenman6141
    @greenman6141 Před rokem +1

    I like that Tolkien just says "the Ring", he doesn't say "the One Ring" a phrase which feels like fingernails on a blackboard.
    I do wish people would follow Tolkien in this regard, it is so much less cheesy.

  • @tsuchan
    @tsuchan Před rokem +4

    But then we're told Sauron contemplated that the One ring had been destroyed by elves. I always find this problematic. Why would he have thought this a possibility if it would have prevented him coming back? And on a different subject, why would he have been unable to contemplate anyone seeking to destroy the ring if he already once contemplated that it had been destroyed by elves?

    • @HenhousetheRed
      @HenhousetheRed Před rokem +2

      Sauron never envisioned the ring being separated from him in the first place. He anticipated it would always remain on his finger. He also didn't really believe the ring could be destroyed, because the concept of anyone destroying it seemed impossible to him. He himself could not envision destroying the ring, and in his hubris thought it was impossible for anyone else to seek to destroy it. The ramifications of its destruction likely never crossed his mind. Just as the elves didn't know for sure what would happen to the three elven rings should the One be destroyed. They guessed it would mean their power would fade.

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem

      Fantastic that you bring it up, yeah I remember somewhere it's written that Sauron pondered this possibility!

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem

      This is interesting. Do you have a quote about him contemplating that it had already been destroyed?

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +2

      @@DarthGandalfYT I think he is referring to the section in the chapter The Shadow of the Past in LOTR that reads "And this is the dreadful chance, Frodo. He believed that the One had perished; that the Elves had destroyed it, as should have been done. But he knows now that it has not perished, that it has been found. So he is seeking it, seeking it, and all his thought is bent on it. It is his great hope and our great fear."
      I think this is explained by Sauron believing the Ring had been destroyed as an explanation for why he was so much weaker and took so much longer to recover after his defeat in the War of the Last Alliance. Eventually he discovered that the One Ring hadn't been destroyed.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +2

      @@istari0 There we go, in the first chapter of the story, right under my nose.
      But yes, you're probably right about Sauron's beliefs. He made the One Ring with a purpose in mind, only for it to end up fulfilling other purposes that he never considered because he never believed he would be apart from it.

  • @daveowens271
    @daveowens271 Před rokem +4

    It's possible Sauron himself didn't quite know how the Ring would behave away from his physical body.

  • @smarterthenyou001
    @smarterthenyou001 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I’m guessing it didn’t fully kill him just all the malice and cruelty and corrupting influence he poured into his ring, Sauron probably popped out somewhere in the void as a tiny puppy 🐶

  • @jaykubisanidiot8657
    @jaykubisanidiot8657 Před rokem +7

    Come for the LoTR lore, stay for the life lesson at the end

  • @allenkeith7160
    @allenkeith7160 Před rokem +2

    Why did destroying the One Ring kill Sauron? It was his Final Horcrux...

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před rokem

      There are some decided echoes of LOTR in Harry Potter.

  • @galacticknight55544
    @galacticknight55544 Před rokem +1

    Simple. He put so much of his power into it that if it were destroyed, he would be reduced to an impotent spirit that cannot affect the physical world in any way.

  • @rursus8354
    @rursus8354 Před rokem +4

    I think you are wrong. There is a difference between good and evil ainur. He wasn't killed by anyone destroying the ring. He would just become a powerless spirit for a very long time, let's call it aeons. So we could just presume that Sauron had loaded the ring with a lot of power from himself, and that that power was lost when the ring was destroyed. We could imagine the Maiar being loaded with power from Eru when reaching Arda, but those that turned away from Eru couldn't replenish it like the good Valar and Maiar could.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +4

      How then do you explain what happened with Yavanna and her inability to make a new pair of the Two Trees?

    • @rursus8354
      @rursus8354 Před 6 měsíci

      @@istari0 Admittedly a weak point in my discourse.

  • @00martoneniris86
    @00martoneniris86 Před rokem +1

    I got an video idea did celebrimbor die because of the doom of mandos

  • @evanjohnson1299
    @evanjohnson1299 Před rokem +1

    the Aniur have finite power when they do something big it expends their energy and though they my recuperate a portion of the spent power they will always be less than what they where before. Melkor poured the vast majority of his power(which is 2nd only to Eru) into corrupting Arda itself and in strengthening is forces when dragged out of Angband at the end of the War of Wrath he was a withered husk more feeble than any of the Valar weaker than many Mair. Saruon knew that to fulfill his ambition he will need to use is divine power and he knows the dangers of expending yourself so he did what any blacksmith does he makes a tool to solve a problem how can he maintain his power while not badly diminishing himself. he saw the great effect pouring power into items has he just limited the scope with the one ring in addition to it's designed effect of domination it acts as a back up battery and a supercharger for you internal energy it always has the power poured into it and it amps the power of the user.

  • @Negetive2digit
    @Negetive2digit Před 24 dny

    So in what world is death NOT the separation of body and spirit? Sure, there are different exceptions to the rules and differences in use of terminology from system to system, including ones in reality, but that seems to be a constant.

  • @eternalmindblocks8359

    He can still reform it will just take a very long time.

  • @rimservices
    @rimservices Před rokem

    Would disagree with Sauron not being able to reembody in the Third Age if the One Ring was destroyed - as Gandalf says that before capturing Gollum Sauron believed the Ring to be destroyed by Elves and started to hunt for it only afterwards. Otherwise, he would've known the Ring is out there somewhere and sought for it immediately

  • @timonsolus
    @timonsolus Před rokem +4

    Was Sauron actually destroyed completely and utterly, as Saruman was? Or was he reduced to a bodiless, powerless wraith forever unable to take physical form, or to dominate any living being? Would he still be able to whisper evil, corrupting thoughts in the ears of Men willing to listen? Or maybe appear to them in their dreams if they summoned him through a dark ritual?

    • @MountainFisher
      @MountainFisher Před rokem +2

      Gandalf, who would know said if the Ring was destroyed which contained the better part of him Sauron would become a a mere spirit of malice gnawing itself in the darkness.
      It is a view of Hell where if you're hateful and malicious that is "where the worm never dies and the thirst is never quenched", welcome to yourself forever.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +1

      It's written that one could communicate with spirits (and even become possessed by one!) should they actively try to do so, but I'm unsure if Sauron would have that capability. Gandalf makes it seem like that he's done, and although he might not know for certain, he's still the best source we have.

    • @MountainFisher
      @MountainFisher Před rokem

      @@DarthGandalfYT Remember when Gandalf was alive on the mountain he could see and hear many things plus actually dying and being sent back he had a better perspective.

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem

      Even Saruman isn't destroyed utterly, as far as we know. Tolkien never wrote about the destruction of a spirit or soul anywhere, and Sauron's end (who we know still exists powerlessly) is quite similar.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +2

      @@SNWWRNNG Yep, which is why "death" in Tolkien's writings is always the separation of body and spirit, because the spirit/soul cannot ever be destroyed.

  • @HZ-fg9sf
    @HZ-fg9sf Před rokem

    So the ring is almost like a horcrux lol.
    Jkjk haha. But it does make sense how he was able to keep on coming back from a weakened state.

    • @mwvidz324
      @mwvidz324 Před 6 měsíci

      Horcruxes were most likely heavily inspired by it.

  • @MisaelCastilloBrenes
    @MisaelCastilloBrenes Před rokem

    The One Ring was a Horcrux

  • @phoule76
    @phoule76 Před rokem

    that brings up an interesting point: if Galdriel or Gandalf had claimed the ring, or even Saruman or Elrond, and the Free Peoples ended up killing Sauron, it would be cool and scary to see one of the White Council members slowly morph into Sauron himself over an Age, as his spirit would have a conduit to come back to, perhaps. "Somehow, the Emperor has returned", as it were.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem

      Based on the examples Tolkien gave us in what Gandalf and Galadriel said about what would happen to them when offered the One Ring, I don't believe this would be the case. Someone who successfully mastered the One Ring would still be themselves but would in time turn into a twisted, evil version of themselves.

    • @phoule76
      @phoule76 Před rokem

      @@istari0 yeah, it was just a cool idea. none of this is real, we're talking about the fantasies that fantasies might have had.

    • @neil999ish
      @neil999ish Před rokem

      It didn't even have to be worn by anyone to corrupt them Saruman, Boromir were corrupted. Saruman just by the thought of it and Boromir just in the presence of it.
      Granted Boromir would just be used as a tool by the ring to get back to Sauron, but Saruman being of the Maia himself would have challenged Sauron, even though the Valar had "constrained" those 5 Maia known as the wizards who were sent to help Middle Earth to resist Sauron.

  • @perianudan-claudiu2495

    Ah , this start .
    "In the LOTR, the free peoples have one feasible option to defeat Sauron : they must destroy the one ring"
    No , the ring should not reach Sauron in order to empower him . They must destroy the ring because it corrupts and it's evil , they don't know that destroying the ring will defeat Sauron . This is stated only in the movies , like they knew beforehand what will happen .

  • @raf7305
    @raf7305 Před rokem +1

    I’m no expert. Let me see if I got this. Saurons physical body was destroyed in the battle of the last alliance. He regains his physical form later on. Also when the ring was destroyed is it possible for Sauron to come back at all? Can he regain a physical form? It gets confusing at times.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem

      After the One Ring was destroyed, Sauron is so weakened that he would never be able to form a body again. He's reduced to an impotent spirit.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před rokem

      The most confusing thing is ghost Sauron carrying The Ring back to ME after the drowning of Numenor.
      A definite case of "don't overthink it" there

    • @raf7305
      @raf7305 Před rokem

      @@DarthGandalfYT I’m just trying get a picture in my mind of what Sauron’s weakened state will be like. Could he still have some sort of power in the regions of Rhun as a weak spirit? Is his weak spirit like the Oathbreakers? Or is his weak spirit so weak that he literally can’t do anything anymore? Where does he go from there? He wanders the lands of Middle Earth aimlessly? Sorry for the questions lmaoo

    • @raf7305
      @raf7305 Před rokem +1

      @@alanpennie8013 this is a big question you know not many people can answer this one

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před rokem

      @@raf7305
      Tbf some ghosts do have the ability to affect the physical world, eg poltergeists.

  • @ismata3274
    @ismata3274 Před rokem

    What's nft

  • @gravewalkers
    @gravewalkers Před rokem +2

    Simple version is found in Dungeons and Dragons.
    Sauron is a lich (Necromancer of Dol Gador). The ring is his phylactery. This is rooted in a concept called self conjuration. When a person dies, their soul returns to the power that has lordship over their soul. For Sauron, he is owned by Aluvitar. All the angelic beings of Aluvitar are recalled by him to his heaven, like when Gandalf dies to the Balrog. Sauron hates Aluvitar. Sauron summons his soul anchor away from Aluvitar and binds it into the ring. Like a lich, so long as his phylactery remains intact, so does his spirit and his ability to take on a new body or physical form. This is used by Valdamort in Harry Potter. So long as his phylacteries exist, he exists. Once the one ring is destroyed, the soul anchor of his being is destroyed. His existence is bound to it. Like a lich, if you keep the phylactery, he might gradually possess you and you become his new body. Owning it is extremely dangerous.

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem

      Cool comment 👍🏼

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem

      Sauron put a lot of his power into the Ring, but he can't split his soul.
      There's similarities to other fantasy universes, but the Legendarium has its own rules that often don't match those of later fantasy.
      Comparisons like this can be entertaining and helpful, of course. Just a word of caution.

  • @judowrestlerka
    @judowrestlerka Před rokem

    It didn't kill Sauron. It diminished him to a faint shadow of malice who could harm no one anymore.

  • @sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317

    Despite the low odds of success the plan works.
    Would’ve been the worst fucking anti-climax ever otherwise.
    Eagles would’ve been harmed in retribution.

  • @Power_Prawnstar
    @Power_Prawnstar Před rokem

    Didn't the men of Gondor build the black gate, not 100%, just asking

  • @mclovin2408
    @mclovin2408 Před 4 měsíci

    It did not kill Sauron, it severely weakened him, by how much we are not sure, but Sauron cannot die and I believe the destruction of the ring does not mean the destruction of the power within it, he can regain his power in other words, long term maybe it could’ve been better to safeguard the ring, but the elves were too stubborn I guess.

  • @redheadsilver8041
    @redheadsilver8041 Před rokem

    It didn't. It irreparably diminished him to irrelevance.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +1

      It did. As he said in the video, death is the separation of the body and the spirit in the Legendarium.

  • @UnicornMeat512
    @UnicornMeat512 Před rokem

    Every time they die, they lose a chunk of their power. Except Gandalf who returned stronger

    • @ZanathKariashi
      @ZanathKariashi Před rokem

      in theory he may have been weakened compared to his full power, however he was already at a tiny fraction of his original power when they incarnated him as The Grey (and that's likely all he lost when The Grey died). The White simply came back with more of his innate power available to him since his restrictions were looser compared to when the Istari were first sent.
      Saruman actually tries to go to Mandos like Gandalf did after Wormtongue kills him but is refused by the West, so he's unable to reform and replenish his strength and is left as a broken weak spirit, not much different than Sauron's situation.

  • @Crafty_Spirit
    @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem

    We know basically nothing about how Sauron was able to create a new body for himself - one that strangely enough lacked a finger like the carcass that I guess was either burnt or rotted away by this time. I can't reall× wrap m× head around the idea that Sauron reembodied without posession of the Ring and ×et that bod×'s survival depended on the Ring... I feel like this whole topic was not completel× thought through b× the author 🤔

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +1

      Even though he didn't have the One Ring in his possession, the power in it was still his own and he could access it remotely well enough to slowly create himself a new body. It's very doubtful he had any idea the power he was using was at least coming partially from the Ring. He had previously lost the ability to shapeshift into a fair form after the Fall of Númenor. After the War of the Last Alliance, he could only make a body that looked like the previous one.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 Před rokem

      @@istari0
      It's very Voldemort, as others on this thread have pointed out.

  • @michaelshelton5488
    @michaelshelton5488 Před rokem

    How different is the One Ring from Voldemort's horcruxes?

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +3

      I don't know much about Harry Potter, but from what I do know, they're functionally the same, but the One Ring contains Sauron's power instead of his soul/spirit.

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem +1

      The One Ring holds power (originally Sauron's) that its master can use, and enhances its current bearer's powers.
      The master is Sauron, unless someone mighty enough like Gandalf bears the Ring, claims it and wrests mastery of it away from Sauron.

  • @stevenlarge895
    @stevenlarge895 Před rokem

    It didn’t kill him it maimed him beyond repair

  • @pezfam
    @pezfam Před rokem

    It didn’t.
    Next topic.

  • @1984Phalanx
    @1984Phalanx Před rokem

    angry comment! ;P

  • @istari0
    @istari0 Před rokem

    What's NFTs precious?

  • @davidpnewton
    @davidpnewton Před rokem

    Simply put, it didn't kill him.
    However what it DID do was weaken him so much that he was never able to manifest himself or essentially do anything else again.

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem +1

      Death in Arda means the separation of body and soul, so Sauron did die

    • @davidpnewton
      @davidpnewton Před rokem

      @Crafty Spirit nope. That's a really stupid thing to contend because it's directly contradicted by two very important events involving Sauron: the fall of Numenor and the Last Alliance. Both times his body was destroyed and therefore soul was separated from body. Yet he did not die on either occasion.

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem +1

      @@davidpnewton Lol of course he died on both occasions. What you makes you think otherwise? Because you see death as the ultimate event? Death isn't the end of history or biography in this world.

    • @SNWWRNNG
      @SNWWRNNG Před rokem

      @@davidpnewton But that is death. How would you define death, other than separation of body and spirit, in a way that captures what Elves, Men and Ainur with their different fates experience?
      Tolkien wrote about Sauron dying in the fight against Gil-galad and Elendil quite directly.

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem

      @@davidpnewton Did you not listen to the part of the video where DG explains that death is the separation of the body and the spirit? So, by definition, Sauron died thrice.

  • @daveythesearcher
    @daveythesearcher Před 26 dny

    P

  • @cherub3624
    @cherub3624 Před rokem

    Sorry, I've already poured by cruelty and malice into NFTs.

  • @finlay9616
    @finlay9616 Před rokem

    Easy question, it didn't. Sauron was defeated, left formless and pathetic, but he didn't die

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem +1

      Death in Arda means the separation of body and soul, Sauron did indeed die

    • @istari0
      @istari0 Před rokem +1

      Did you not listen to the part of the video where DG explains that death is the separation of the body and the spirit? So, by definition, Sauron died thrice.

  • @NintenDobs
    @NintenDobs Před rokem

    So the One Ring was a Horcrux.

  • @garycook5071
    @garycook5071 Před rokem

    It didn’t kill Sauron

    • @Itsnoahscott
      @Itsnoahscott Před 6 měsíci

      It killed “the eye” of Sauron which is his spiritual form.

  • @y.r._
    @y.r._ Před rokem

    So basically, the ring is for Sauron what horcruxes are for Voldemort

  • @rafaelfcf
    @rafaelfcf Před rokem

    So... the One ring is just a copy of the hocruxes in Harry Potter? Sauron is an off-brand Voldemort?

    • @michelzwiers7742
      @michelzwiers7742 Před rokem +6

      It would've been the other way around, since the Return of the King was written over 40 years before the first Harry Potter book came out

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem

      Haha good one

    • @AlyssMa7rin
      @AlyssMa7rin Před rokem

      I... I hate that there are people who would genuinely believe this.

    • @michelzwiers7742
      @michelzwiers7742 Před rokem

      let's not mention that JRR Tolkien died about 20 years before the first Harry Potter book even came out, so it wouldn't even be possible for the man to rip it off

    • @Crafty_Spirit
      @Crafty_Spirit Před rokem

      @@michelzwiers7742 I think the OP is being sarcastic

  • @valiantredneck
    @valiantredneck Před rokem

    For the love of Gawd!
    DO NOT use the word POWER in any drinking game that involves watching this video…!

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +1

      Yeah, I did use the word a little much. Probably should've swapped it out with "strength" sometimes.

    • @valiantredneck
      @valiantredneck Před rokem

      @@DarthGandalfYT
      Not at all.
      I posted the comment just for a goof, not to be a jerk.

    • @DarthGandalfYT
      @DarthGandalfYT  Před rokem +1

      @@valiantredneck Haha, it's completely fine. I took no offence. But I have a rule for myself to avoid using a word too often, and on watching the video back, I definitely broke the rule with this one.

    • @valiantredneck
      @valiantredneck Před rokem

      @@DarthGandalfYT
      All good.
      No need too fuss.
      Fine video by the way.
      Very concise, well written and researched.
      Again,
      All the best.
      Be looking forward to your next adventure in storytelling.