Bringing Back What's Stolen: The Avenging Feminine

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  • @qarsiseer
    @qarsiseer Před 5 lety +2079

    Something I think could’ve been pointed out is that in most of the examples of action movie heroines you’d given, the women fight to return to a normal. The Mama Bear starts at home with her kids, commits violence to remove a threat, then returns to her kids. The Last One might start in school, commits violence to remove a threat, then returns to school. In Fury Road, when the violence ends, the world has changed. This is a significant departure from the tropes as well.

    • @jaimes6152
      @jaimes6152 Před 5 lety +48

      Very astute!

    • @adastra553
      @adastra553 Před 5 lety +4

      Charlotte Butcher +

    • @TwentySeventhLetter
      @TwentySeventhLetter Před 5 lety +27

      That's a very cogent point, thanks for mentioning it!

    • @FreakySei
      @FreakySei Před 5 lety +16

      Holy fuuuuuuuuck you're right !

    • @Haultauhmonop
      @Haultauhmonop Před 5 lety +91

      Great observation! I hadn't thought before about how that is another area where The Hero's Journey and The Heroine's Journey typically differ. In the Hero's Journey, the protagonist usually accomplishes his mission and returns to a changed world (think Frodo and The Shire), but when the protagonist is feminine, she does indeed typically serve to restore order and normalcy. It's like how most traditional tellings of Mulan end with her parting with her violent ways and settling down to a quiet life, fulfilling her duties as a loyal house wife. You're a absolutely right. Female protagonists don't get to change the world nearly as often as their male counterparts.

  • @TalysAlankil
    @TalysAlankil Před 5 lety +1336

    I remember Oliver "PhilosophyTube" Thorn once saying (and I paraphrase) "All political ideologies are about deciding *which* violence is acceptable."

    • @koth_harvest_final
      @koth_harvest_final Před 5 lety +54

      i love PhilosophyTube

    • @fadechicobuarque1989
      @fadechicobuarque1989 Před 5 lety +107

      Yes. He also mentioned how the problem with neoliberalism is that it states that "no violence is acceptable" and then makes a bunch of exceptions. Other ideologies (for better or worse) outright say “these forms of violence are acceptable” - and that is much more honest, at least.
      It’s tangential, but it reminds me of all these tropes that innuendo talked about, that are basically ways of making exceptions to the idea that women (or femininity) is separated from violence.
      Just like fury road (in the innuendo’s reading) says “this violence is good (and not necessarily masculine) because it is protective and distributes power” instead of just saying “violence is bad and masculine” and then justifying its own violence by saying “but it is cool because we are protecting the feminine from it and/or it is going to stop more violence”.

    • @eshansingh1
      @eshansingh1 Před 5 lety +6

      @@fadechicobuarque1989 Everything I don't like is neoliberalism.

    • @fadechicobuarque1989
      @fadechicobuarque1989 Před 5 lety +42

      @@eshansingh1 Really? Wow. You must be a really focused guy. Well, good luck with that.

    • @AnekoFoxx
      @AnekoFoxx Před 5 lety +48

      Hitting a puppy = bad violence
      Punching a nazi = good violence

  • @Nuvizzle
    @Nuvizzle Před 5 lety +989

    "I selfishly want another Fury Road"
    I don't see how that's in any way selfish, another Fury Road would be an objective good for humanity.

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 Před 5 lety +12

      I think that was a cheeky joke.

    • @Dastankbeets9486
      @Dastankbeets9486 Před 2 lety +9

      Fury road, from this series seems like an absolute masterclass in representation, diversity and forcing change. Maybe if films like this became the norm, rather than false ideas of what’s acceptable by social norms being pushed to maintain the status quo, this might actually push change

    • @moonmoon2479
      @moonmoon2479 Před 2 lety

      @@Dastankbeets9486 no it won’t. You know that.

    • @Henry258654
      @Henry258654 Před 2 lety +3

      It's selfish because he's focusing on his own concerns. Whether other people benefit from that is irrelevant.

    • @anusheinous
      @anusheinous Před 6 měsíci

      Replying 5 years later to bring up how disappointing the latest cgi nightmare marvel-one-liner fury road trailer is

  • @The5lacker
    @The5lacker Před 5 lety +753

    I need "FURY ROAD AIN'T GOOD BECAUSE IT'S SUBTLE" on a shirt.

    • @BryceZed
      @BryceZed Před 5 lety +4

      Let me know when it's available to buy.

    • @Carewolf
      @Carewolf Před 5 lety +15

      As subtle as a 2hour heavy metal music video..

    • @fanboy50
      @fanboy50 Před 5 lety +31

      I've literally had someone argue that Fury Road wasn't good, specifically because it wasn't subtle and it was straight-forward, plot-wise, and all I could think of was that this dude must be the absolute least-fun person to hang around with ever.

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 Před 5 lety +12

      Henry Voss I’m assuming then, that they aren’t a fan of any other action movies either. Because action movies as a whole tend not to be particularly subtle. Hell, most Hollywood movies generally aren’t particularly subtle- you want subtle, you go indie.
      And I will admit that I find those that refuse to watch anything but indie movies rather pretentious. What’s wrong with entertainment for the masses?

    • @fanboy50
      @fanboy50 Před 4 lety +5

      @@katherinemorelle7115 He definitely wasn't someone that tended to gravitate to them, but I think, for many of the same reasons that Ian and a lot of us in this comment section loved the movie, this guy was, uh, shall we say, predisposed to dislike it.

  • @HaranYakir
    @HaranYakir Před 5 lety +388

    Something I noticed and thought worth mentioning is that no matter how masculine the character is supposed to be or how nonsensical it would be in the show's setting, all female characters have to adhere to certain beauty standards, specifically being hairless with perfectly plucked eyebrows and wearing at least some makeup. It's especially jarring in settings such as mad max where shaving one's armpits and legs daily would be the last thing on your mind.

    • @-._.-KRiS-._.-
      @-._.-KRiS-._.- Před 4 lety +129

      That's what I've always hated about dystopian and apocalyptic movies and tv shows. I get excited when I hear creators say they are taking a realistic approach but then the women always have shaved pits, legs, pubes, and faces. They never explore the breaking down of social hygiene/beauty standards in that, yes, some women have facial hair and that, yes, all women have body hair. I guess American audiences want their women to look as prepubescent as possible at all times?

    • @Blirre
      @Blirre Před 4 lety +62

      @@-._.-KRiS-._.- I've thought about this too. Honestly I think a lot of people would be put off by the natural female body and it would for sure be less profitable (except perhaps within documentary or reality tv setting). I don't think most men know --or indeed want to know-- that adult women usually start growing a dark hair or two on their faces. People (also women) like to pretend there's a fine, distinctive line between men and women.

    • @pseudonamed
      @pseudonamed Před 3 lety +52

      It’s just so unacceptable for a female main character to not be sexy at all times. Even if she’s crying she’s pretty-crying, if she’s beat up she’s still got perfect makeup but with a scratch on her forehead. It shouldn’t be startling to see women just looking like real people.

    • @Dastankbeets9486
      @Dastankbeets9486 Před 2 lety +20

      There’s a specific moment in ‘Ebola Holmes’ (otherwise great feminist film’ where our female protagonist falls from a bike to indicate her lack of skill with one, and comically springs up from the ground, covered in twigs and leaves. Except beneath, like, three individual dirty leaves on her face, every other part of it is totally and utterly smooth and spotless to the point where it’s kind of hilarious

    • @feckoslovakia
      @feckoslovakia Před rokem +5

      ​@@Dastankbeets9486 EBOLA HOLMES LMFAOO

  • @floral_stone
    @floral_stone Před 5 lety +725

    Your subtle use of anarchist rhetoric to discuss the use of violence in this film is excellent

    • @mirmalchik
      @mirmalchik Před 5 lety +150

      so good
      also liked the use of "egalitarian feminism" in a way that could in no way be mistaken for the "egalitarianism not feminism" movement but that sounded delightfully like a call for including class consciousness in intersectional feminism

    • @dnys_7827
      @dnys_7827 Před 5 lety +77

      yes yes yes and yes again. ive come to believe that this kind of feminst analysis can be a wonderful starting point for a discussion of violence which leads straight to anarchism. these ideas are radical in their essence. make no mistake: the analysis of violence offered here is not compatible with capitalism or the modern state. but the fact that it begins from such a deeply personal and immediately experienced form of politics (ie the distribution of violence), from issues of gender and queerness, is essential to securing that abstractions and theories don't run out of control and stop being useful. if we start from here, we feel these things deeply and with a broad multitude of aspects of ourselves while we think them deeply and act them out. bravo.

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 Před 5 lety +1

      Is that the 'if you say egalitarianism instead of intersectional feminism then you are the enemy' thing?

    • @mirmalchik
      @mirmalchik Před 5 lety +72

      no it's the "at least half of the people who use the word egalitarianism specifically to avoid using words like feminism or womanism or whatever are really just woman-hating mra's in disguise" thing

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 Před 5 lety +1

      Half based on what?

  • @adhunikmanav2638
    @adhunikmanav2638 Před 5 lety +91

    "Violence is not masculine by nature but by custom." is an answer to those who impose the trope of "kind-caring female" on women.

  • @CouncilofGeeks
    @CouncilofGeeks Před 5 lety +1161

    I like your god damn point.

  • @denn394
    @denn394 Před 5 lety +406

    Thanks for 8 videos in less than a minute, Ian. See you in 2024!❤️

  • @ez45
    @ez45 Před 5 lety +432

    Binge watched it and, uh, you're amazing. As a student of cultural sciences, your analyses and your narrations prove to be excellent every time.

  • @payamsh5519
    @payamsh5519 Před 5 lety +399

    How glad I am that I’m not seeing that very loud percentage of youtube commenters here who are always shouting “SJW this and SJW that”.

    • @thejackanapes5866
      @thejackanapes5866 Před 5 lety +25

      It's my hope that they learn

    • @jonathansalvador5037
      @jonathansalvador5037 Před 5 lety +42

      Scroll down long enough and you'll find em. Probably.

    • @yy-hj4br
      @yy-hj4br Před 5 lety +11

      The red pill comes in suppository form too. It's the alt-right of the consumer! Socialism won't give you that!

    • @mufasas111
      @mufasas111 Před 5 lety +5

      they're just bumped lower so you don't see them first. *edited out*
      enjoy your safe space

    • @ozzy5628
      @ozzy5628 Před 5 lety +42

      @@mufasas111 go away

  • @MykaelJay
    @MykaelJay Před 5 lety +527

    "Is your violence for consolidating power or distributing it? Is your power structure vertical or lateral?"
    #politics in a nutshell

    • @katherinemorelle7115
      @katherinemorelle7115 Před 5 lety +59

      He uses the line about consolidating power v distributing it while explaining how conservatives think.
      Which now makes me realise why so many conservatives I know weren’t a fan of this movie- it goes directly against their politics.

    • @totlyepic
      @totlyepic Před 4 lety

      Uh...only one axis of it.

  • @Ian_sothejokeworks
    @Ian_sothejokeworks Před 5 lety +72

    God, when she uses herself and Joe’s unborn child as a human shield against Joe... So badass! I really should see this movie. Thank you for the awesome rundown on female protagonist movie tropes. It’s good to have subconscious ideas brought to the forefront to grow!

  • @Mishakeet
    @Mishakeet Před 5 lety +350

    not gonna lie, the ending made me feel emotional... ive always been feminine but also someone who relished in violent games/films/sports etc simply because, well, its fun/titillating. of course, i always felt a bit different because of that... it was validating to hear "violence being reclaimed for women" i guess

    • @elucified
      @elucified Před 4 lety +17

      At the end of the day, it's a rehash of the similar idea of "you do you, boo." essentially saying no matter HOW you feel, you are VALID in feeling it, and should never feel ashamed in feeling it.

  • @TheAgavi
    @TheAgavi Před 5 lety +40

    I watched Fury Road wasted drunk, and in my lucid moments I thought "this is a heavy-handed art flick" but I wasn't following what was happening. I'm gonna rewatch it. I missed way more than I thought.

  • @oberstul1941
    @oberstul1941 Před 5 lety +105

    During this whole 8 part marathon I was like that boy from the Simpsons: Stop it, it's already dead! But where "it" certainly stands for Fury Road, the "dead" actually stands for "I already love this movie to death". It seems like every time I see that movie or watch another video essay about it, I learn some new genius thing about the Fury Road and that pleases me to no end. Seriously, I think your essays are an work of art and love and they should be preserved against the soulless ravages of copyrights bots. I certainly enjoyed watching this playlist and ponder the points you raised. Great, great work, sir. Chapeau! And cheers!

  • @VenusAD
    @VenusAD Před 5 lety +122

    This was absolutely excellent, and I appreciated the little digs at Whedon's work. I'm not saying the dude is a straight up hack or monster, but I get so tired of people praising his "feminism" without looking closer at what he's actually portraying.
    Anyway, I remember just being blown away by this movie. Not just because of all the fun, impressive visuals, but because of the heart of the story. I went in thinking I was going to see your typical action movie, where a male hero leads everyone and saves some pretty, fairly useless ladies, and instead I saw a celebration of women in all their different forms. I would say that this is exactly what a feminine action movie should look like. Unfortunately I can't really think of anything that comes to this level, but I hope we see more.

    • @richardwhaler8717
      @richardwhaler8717 Před 3 lety +9

      The praise of Whedon's "feminism" is more a damnation of the rest of the industry if he is seen as a progressive outlier.

  • @andrewraby8008
    @andrewraby8008 Před 5 lety +110

    This was the best breakdown of this film I've seen. Great job,man.

    • @Chronically_ChiII
      @Chronically_ChiII Před 5 lety

      Except it didn't go deep into the plot.

    • @andrewraby8008
      @andrewraby8008 Před 5 lety +6

      @@Chronically_ChiII He didn't need to. This was about what the movie meant, not what happened it in. The subversion of genre tropes to indict the seedier parts of how action movies frame women.

    • @Chronically_ChiII
      @Chronically_ChiII Před 5 lety

      @@andrewraby8008 plot matters.
      Especially if we're talking about a breakdown of a film.
      Then it matters a lot.

    • @andrewraby8008
      @andrewraby8008 Před 5 lety +5

      I never said plot didn't matter. But it wasn't that kind of analysis. He covers enough of the plot so that you understand what was going on . But it's like this. I had to write a paper in college about the toxic masculinity And such in A Farewell to Arms. Do you think I wasted any time breaking down the plot? No I picked my scenes that were important to the point of the essay. It's a dissertation, not a book report.

    • @Chronically_ChiII
      @Chronically_ChiII Před 5 lety

      @@andrewraby8008 Fair enough. I guess I found it to have lost potential to only focus on gender roles in this movie.

  • @littledude506
    @littledude506 Před 5 lety +68

    Yesterday, I literally asked myself,
    "Wonder what Innuendo Studios is working on, haven't seen a video from him in a while,"
    Came back from work this morning to see *8 VIDEOS IN MY SUB FEED*
    Thank you Innuendo, I can always count on you for high quality work and perfect timing.

  • @blkroseduelist
    @blkroseduelist Před 5 lety +156

    This series was great, but I was super not ready for eight videos to just show up

  • @Turidus
    @Turidus Před 5 lety +168

    That was a damn good series. And makes me even fonder of Furry Road.

    • @furrytrash8399
      @furrytrash8399 Před 5 lety +38

      I loved Furry Road, but I've gotta say the fursuits got a little distracting at times.

    • @muhammadgheith2492
      @muhammadgheith2492 Před 5 lety +16

      Aye, you got the special edition too? :P

  • @MrLordDorfmann
    @MrLordDorfmann Před 5 lety +122

    excellent taste in credits music

    • @mioprytzo2790
      @mioprytzo2790 Před 5 lety +1

      what song is it

    • @giuseppelipardo764
      @giuseppelipardo764 Před 5 lety +3

      @@mioprytzo2790 Diablo Swing Orchestra - Ragdoll Physics

    • @Rumplebuttskin
      @Rumplebuttskin Před 5 lety

      i came down to the comments to either say this or agree with the mvp that already did

  • @tigerstripedsinger
    @tigerstripedsinger Před 5 lety +191

    I don't like action films and I didn't enjoy fury road but you've for sure made me appreciate that it exists

    • @horplemctweenbot5259
      @horplemctweenbot5259 Před 5 lety +38

      I have nothing to add, just that I love your statement and what it represents. You can be super glad for something that you don't necessarily like!

    • @td3312
      @td3312 Před 5 lety +41

      This. He hits the nail on the head when he says "Fury Road isn't good because it's subtle". It's still a movie that tries to fit in as much explosions, cars, and fight choreography as possible, and cut out as much dialogue as possible. It is groundbreaking in its feminist themes, but I rolled my eyes at the way those themes were conveyed. I can appreciate that it's a masterpiece, it's just a masterpiece of a genre I'm personally really not into. But hey, it disrupts Hollywood's patriarchal norms while staying true to the genre most known for pushing those norms, and that's awesome.

  • @connieallen6804
    @connieallen6804 Před 5 lety +61

    WASNT READY FOR THESE UPLOADS

  • @SerratedSkies
    @SerratedSkies Před 5 lety +17

    One thing that bugged me for the first 7 parts was the way you phrased assertiveness, brutality, bravado, etc as being "masculine" traits, and I'm very glad that you had intended to argue against that all along.

  • @LuckPuddle
    @LuckPuddle Před 5 lety +10

    This was the 1st "violent action movie" I ever really, REALLY enjoyed. I was allowed to enjoy it, without being any of the tropes myself. That's for breaking down the subconscious permission I felt - the gift the artists who made this movie gave to me, that every other movie never had.

  • @tetsubo57
    @tetsubo57 Před 5 lety +133

    I consider Fury Road to be the greatest post-apocalyptic and feminist action film ever made. A work of art. I hope there is a commentary track for it some day. The track on the original Mad Max is excellent.

    • @mufasas111
      @mufasas111 Před 5 lety

      I love how 1 guy overpowers a whole team of women. hilarious.

    • @kirstyc2176
      @kirstyc2176 Před 4 lety +10

      mufasas1lion go cry about it

  • @steampunkerella
    @steampunkerella Před 5 lety +631

    the future is avenging feminine

    • @mr.countess3610
      @mr.countess3610 Před 5 lety +14

      > I like the Innocent as a device to establish the villain - but an innocent/helpless boi is just as good.
      > I like the Vasquez, not because she is 'one of the guys', but because real physical fitness, the ability to fight in self-interest, and the refusal to die in the face of overwhelming odds embody the true spirit of femininity.
      > I like the Dominatrix, not because I need violent women to be sexy in order to accept them, but because *that's my kink, dammit!*
      > I like the Mother Bear, not because women need to have children in order to be valid, but because it's a heckin' emotionally powerful story (and I want to feel protected by a strong maternal figure).
      > I don't really like the virginal 'Final Girl', but I like the idea of a Machiavellian anti-heroine, who will happily throw her 'companions' to the monster in order to further her chances of survival >:)
      > I'm disturbed by how the Rape Revenger seems to gain her strength through being raped, as though it somehow 'builds character' or whatever - but I still think art has a responsibility to acknowledge and confront sexual violence, and that should extend to representing it on screen.
      I haven't seen "Fury Road" b/c my experience of action films is that they are loud dumb schlock, shown in threatening, masculine environments, that make me feel dysphoric, so I tend to avoid them. Also, does that guy have blood being pumped out of him through a straw? Eww!

    • @wyleong4326
      @wyleong4326 Před 4 lety +1

      Along side the balancing masculine (coz you girls have been on the fulcrum for too long)...

    • @sebastienvondoom8615
      @sebastienvondoom8615 Před 3 lety +6

      @@wyleong4326 You do realise that men have been in charge for like... Most of western history.

  • @BrorealeK
    @BrorealeK Před 5 lety +80

    I really wasn't comfortable with all the takes saying Fury road wasn't feminist because it's an action movie, and therefore aping masculine narratives. It struck me as a narrow viewpoint because a) certain types of feminism can be wrong, we only have to look back at the early 20th Century to realize that and b) it was just another roundabout way to say violence is masculine. Violence is used for power, and power is maintained through access to violence. To say that women don't want and use power, that they don't express violence, is just to say that women are submissive, and that a space for them cannot be found. Patriarchal societies, that is to say most societies, are still patriarchal even as people within those societies find spaces for feminine perspectives and stories. That's inevitable, and it's bound to produce problematic implications. George Miller, Brendan McCarthy, and Nico Lathouris all wrote Fury Road. They're all guys. And they wrote a film about a bunch of people mutilating each other on flaming muscle cars for the fate of a few sex slaves. You don't have to look far to see how any injection of feminism into that might come back with some additional problematic results to supplement those already present.
    Yet the result of Fury Road is something noteworthy because its narrative is almost anthropological. With the story taking place so far from the collapse of society that Max's age doesn't make any sense and the old world almost plays no role in the story of this new one (with the exception of the seeds and the guns/cars everyone uses to murder each other), Fury Road explores how a new society is built, rather than how a prelapsarian world is re-built. Sure, they're bringing back some old seeds; but will they return society to the one the Keeper of the Seeds remembers? I don't think anyone is left with that impression at the end. Unable to escape into another world, the good guys have to take over the one they just escaped. It has to be theirs because it is the only place they know with the power to see their hopes become reality. In the end they win, obtain power over a society that has likely known nothing except Joe's authoritarian rule, and are left to create something entirely new. It's pragmatic, and all the more striking for how they come to the inevitable conclusion that Joe must be destroyed for them to truly live free. The women of Fury Road show that violence, and therefore power, doesn't have to be strictly self-serving. In this way, women are shown bringing order from chaos, in ways both feminine and masculine.
    Is this how a woman would frame Fury Road? Fuck, I don't know. Maybe a feminine perspective would make a better film with these themes at play. Maybe even in a non-violent way, if that would help. I look forward to it, or whatever other film comes along to top Fury Road.

  • @JackedUpLope
    @JackedUpLope Před 5 lety +24

    Fury Road is my all time favorite movie and this series shed a new light onto how I see it. Deep down I think I always knew this side to it but you helped me realize that fully. Thank you.

  • @Carols989
    @Carols989 Před 5 lety +12

    i never stopped to think about that, about how violence was never actually a manly trait or a male creation, they just took it for themselves and now that's how we see it. I'm a feminist and I love reading feminist theory and I think that's the first time I've ever heard something like that. Very interesting, will for sure change my views in certain areas...

  • @anone.mousse674
    @anone.mousse674 Před 5 měsíci +7

    "I selfishly want another Fury Road"
    WELL GUESS WHAT IAN

  • @Aidan42781
    @Aidan42781 Před 4 lety +14

    Wow, this series of video essays was honestly just brilliant. I watched your Alt-Right Playbook series because, honestly, that's what was interesting to me *personally* as a *male* leftist with a penchant for debate.
    I regret to say that I, despite proclaiming myself an Anarchist, have failed to treat all struggles equally. I focus on the class struggle because that's what appeals to *me personally* as someone who is only repressed under that specific hierarchy.
    This series absolutely opened my eyes not only to the depth of sexism that still exists today in the West but the fact that I probably internalized it to some degree without even knowing. And that, I have not done the reading I ought to have done on feminist theory.
    This series has opened my eyes to the fact that I can and *must* support the feminist struggle - and all struggles - as having equal merit.
    Sincerely, thank you.

  • @water594
    @water594 Před 5 lety +99

    The great bit is that
    "Imagine the answer is yes"
    Is literally used in mathematics to work out things.
    Can f(x) ever be a certain value k?
    Well let's make f(x)=k.
    Oh? There's no major logical contradictions like dividing by zero? I guess it's possible then.

    • @AuntAgatha0fullmoon
      @AuntAgatha0fullmoon Před 4 lety +18

      The world didn't fall apart?! Well I guess we can have truly feminine movie violence

    • @xCorvus7x
      @xCorvus7x Před 3 lety +3

      There actually exist bodies of numbers where you can divide by zero which are called Wheels.

    • @water594
      @water594 Před 3 lety +6

      @@xCorvus7x true but those are exceptions to the rule, in most cases finding out that what you did caused a divide by zero means its not a possible operation or equasion

  • @tevrenendrigan1838
    @tevrenendrigan1838 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I go back and watch these from time to time, and upon every return, they are
    insightful,
    delightful, and
    meaningful.
    Thank you, good sir

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean Před 5 lety +371

    I look forward to the comments filling with "examples" of the Avenging Female from people who don't quite understand the difference between the letter and the spirit of the proposed trope...while also hoping that the coming years will see more Avenging Females, enough to _make_ it a trope.

    • @Happypast
      @Happypast Před 5 lety +2

      Timothy McLean why not Katniss tho?

    • @devifoxe
      @devifoxe Před 5 lety +3

      I Don't think this it will be a trope. The necessary change it will required to the society to make this trope possible.
      at the same time they will make it obsolete....But I hope this trope come back in historical movies... For our time...

    • @suadela87
      @suadela87 Před 5 lety +15

      Happypast because Katniss is an honorary man. The most feminine thing she does is wear pretty dresses, but that’s not really her choice. Other people dress her up. In fact, most of her arc is just her reacting to the world around her.

    • @WindspriteM
      @WindspriteM Před 5 lety +10

      If you only argue by the outside circumstances of feminity, Furiosa'd be an honorary man too... Katniss actually has kind of a Mama bear thing going on with Prim and Rue... it's hard to actually say what kind of female revenge is not rape revenge/mama bear behaviour even in a somewhat symbolic way
      She's also much more sexualized by the camera than Furiosa
      @@suadela87

    • @suadela87
      @suadela87 Před 5 lety +1

      @Mulan I’d argue that it’s more of a papa bear mentality. Or rather, genderless.

  • @forrestib
    @forrestib Před 5 lety +9

    Captain Marvel is maybe the second best fit for your avenging feminine, in her solo movie.
    She's not innocent or passive. She performs femininity without shame or apology. She's not sexless, nor needs to be driven to violence by maternal instinct or suffering. If she's sexualized, it seems to be in a way mostly lesbians appreciate. And she's not virginal or special in any way other girls in the movie aren't.
    But most importantly, the power of violence is what was stolen from her. Spoilers ahead. She was military, long before the movie started, she had power. The Kree brainwashed her, stole her memories, told her to submit and suppress her emotions. More accurately, they stole her agency to decide how her violence would be used, and to what ends. The Kree tried to turn her into an instrument, performing a cold, masculine brand of violence. And I don't think it's coincidental that when she finally lets loose against them and stops playing by their rules, her long, feminine, flowing hair is one of the parts of her that glows brightest.

  • @skaermf
    @skaermf Před 5 lety +22

    This was so nice. So nice. I wish that there was more content like this.

  • @Zackapo
    @Zackapo Před 5 lety +18

    this was great. I was surely expecting you'd bring up The Cabin in the Woods when you discussed the innocent or the final girl and now I'd love to see your thoughts on it.

  • @mikeciul8599
    @mikeciul8599 Před 10 měsíci +2

    The needle drop at the end was AMAZING! I am now a fan of Diablo Swing Orchestra.

  • @SeisoYabai
    @SeisoYabai Před 3 lety +3

    I did not give Fury Road the appreciation of deserved. I saw it and just thought "meh. Guns and explosions, cool I guess."
    Thanks for showing me it was so much more, I'll have to give it another watch.

  • @JurgenPI
    @JurgenPI Před 5 lety +21

    The world really needs more people like Ian.

  • @ramywiles
    @ramywiles Před 5 lety +4

    As always, you nailed it. Definitely coming back for a rewatch at some point. Not to be too dramatic, but thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason in a climate where those feel increasingly rare to find.

  • @tjallingappelhof2055
    @tjallingappelhof2055 Před 3 lety +8

    I absolutely love Mad Max: Fury Road
    I should probably watch the movie...

  • @max-du9hq
    @max-du9hq Před 5 lety +16

    When you published the part on the rape revenger trope early on patreon, I certainly wasn't expecting an instant 8-part series to drop. Binged: check.
    Decoupling certain traits from classic stereotypes (often gender) is something many movies and forms of entertainment in general could benefit from; among others you've brought up victimhood and violence, which are sort of diametrically opposed and as a theme mostly seem to differ in whom we're supposed to identify with. For me at least, the most interesting characters are usually those that don't just submit to our subconscious expectations or even subvert them, if done believably. In terms of Fury Road, this stood out to me most with how much agency the wives are given throughout the film, unexpected in any scenario but particularly in this post-apocalyptic hellhole.
    To some people, any subversion of expectations will always seem "unbelievable", of course. I had a real good laugh at the screenshotted headlines.

  • @MermaidAmatheia
    @MermaidAmatheia Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for this series on Fury Road. It’s one of my favorite movies and now I have a better sense of why I love it.

  • @Daisho32
    @Daisho32 Před 5 lety +11

    This might be your best work yet. Great videos!

  • @tirone7520
    @tirone7520 Před 3 lety +3

    The ending was so powerful, i shed a bit of tears

  • @martymcchew4347
    @martymcchew4347 Před 5 lety +12

    I know it's selfish to ask for more content to my tastes, but I'd really like to see your take on Dredd, personally I love it, and see it as an example of strong female characters, it has a female protagonist and antagonist who (in my opinion) aren't sexualised, don't have their suffering played up for entertainment and who aren't completely stripped of their femininity. The women in the film (There's not a lot of women, unfortunately given how well they're written) are allowed to be human and characters, the villain is allowed to be violence and cruel despite being a woman and yet she is also humanised and has her reasoning without being turned into a tragic waif. The film does, like all films, have flaws, but it's definitely good in terms of having good female characters, especially for a film with around 8 named characters

  • @notwallace8557
    @notwallace8557 Před 5 lety +7

    I'm gonna mention Deleuzian Corporeality.
    Well not really. A slight critique of your final section is that you place too much emphasis on the ends of that violence, while a Deleuzian reading would cast aside the ends/means distinction, and I think this abandoning is essential to the film. The characters are not interested in creating a specific new world but experimenting. It is significant, for instance, that they do not return to the Citadel "with a plan" for tomorrow, but instead arrive as the film ends: there is no specific plan for a new society, only the possibility that a better world may be found with Joe's hierarchal structures dismantled. Furthermore, I think one can read a lot of what you have spoken with across these essays as experimentation: the characters experiment with violence, with motherhood, with femininity, with masculinity, with vulnerability, with resilience. They take what is useful to them and they abandon what isn't, but they do not limit anyone else's experimentation with those things. It is a truly anarchist films, and, in a certain way, truly Deleuzian.

    • @aaroncondron8419
      @aaroncondron8419 Před 5 lety

      I had to scroll for 5 goddamn minutes to find a comment pointing this out. CZcams...

  • @raggedyanarchist
    @raggedyanarchist Před 5 lety +12

    Furiosa is my Halloween costume this year. Woulda been last year, but I needed an extra year to make sure it does the character justice. :)

  • @Dekubud
    @Dekubud Před 4 lety +4

    I LOVE the idea of the avenging feminine both for its own sake but also for how meta it is! Let there be many more!

  • @delaneyklutes5579
    @delaneyklutes5579 Před 5 lety +8

    Keep creating Innuendo Studios - you’re amazing

  • @hideshiseyes2804
    @hideshiseyes2804 Před 5 lety +3

    What a fantastic series of videos, well done Innuendo Studios.
    Also, each time I watch Fury Road and each time I watch or read analysis of it I become a little more convinced that it’s the greatest movie ever made.

  • @davyhotch
    @davyhotch Před 5 lety +15

    This film looks worth watching. After all this Furiousa; Maximum Road sounds like a more appropriate name though

  • @rickwoods5274
    @rickwoods5274 Před 4 lety +1

    What a series.
    I came to this channel for the Beginner's Guide / Storytelling video (which was excellent, by the way), and then absolutely devoured the Alt-Right Playbook and, now, this one.
    What can I say? Bravo.

  • @fortello7219
    @fortello7219 Před 5 lety +119

    You know, would have been nice if people talked about Mad Max better. I was never even informed before now it was *good* let alone moving or idealistic. All anytime ever talked about were the special effects and the cars.
    Has I known it was more than that I might have been interested in watching it.

    • @leuk2389
      @leuk2389 Před 5 lety +23

      Even disregarding all the writing its technically impressive, relying very rarely on CGI, all those cars you see are real, function and function well, and when you see them crash they crash well. The war rig actually has two interlinked V8 engines, they didnt have to do that but they did.

    • @fortello7219
      @fortello7219 Před 5 lety +12

      @@leuk2389 That's fascinating. Thank you for proving my point. You could have stated something else that this video series hadn't about the movie and it's world, characters, themes, anything else really. But instead went back to the reason I didn't care to learn anything about by talking up it's surface appeal like it's the Michal Bay transformers.
      And now I'm back to doubting if it's really worth watching. If, while the things this series says are in fact in it, the movie instead is 50%> driving, fighting, and spectacle that will make it's narrative seem worthless compared to the slog it took to get there. Because no matter how good the narrative, it's not worth watching meaningless noise for more time than I'll get out of it.

    • @leuk2389
      @leuk2389 Před 5 lety +21

      @@fortello7219 wow there bud no need to get your uptight pants in a twist, sorry for saying that side from the writing they alsp put a shit ton of effort and care in the rest of the movie which is a rare sight in filmmaking nowadays. Its why people talk about it, I can hardly see how that retracts from the expereience but truly its your loss

    • @Dorian_sapiens
      @Dorian_sapiens Před 5 lety +23

      I do remember hearing, at the time, that it was groundbreaking and even a bit controversial, but not much was said about why. It's like it was so outside-the-box that people didn't immediately have the vocabulary to talk about it meaningfully.
      Also, I can totally appreciate that the care the filmmakers put into it was on multiple levels: characters, world, action choreography, effects, props, and setting. It really seems like every single detail of the film was honed to perfection.

    • @horplemctweenbot5259
      @horplemctweenbot5259 Před 5 lety +17

      It took me a long time to see it myself, but I'm super glad I did, despite being neither a mad Max or action flick fan. I want to add that it uses the medium of film to communicate information super well! You learn not through slabs of exposition so much as watching. They take a kinda silly world concept and make it feel immersive and real!
      That and I do really appreciate how awful the villain is and how it makes him so heinous without resorting to dogkicking shlock imagery.
      So yeah, I'd say it's worth a watch!

  • @Squeeko639
    @Squeeko639 Před 3 lety +1

    Sorry I was so absorbed in all your videos I didn’t think about “liking” them, but I loved each and every one of your videos and will go back to give a thumbs up and subscribe. This was great!

  • @csec95
    @csec95 Před 4 lety +2

    This, this right here is what people need to hear to get it.

  • @eancarana
    @eancarana Před 3 lety +2

    Loved this series. Thank you.

  • @person1420
    @person1420 Před rokem +3

    You are doing a really amazing job at dismantling patriarchy. Breaking it down and explaining it really well.
    You're truly amazing at it.

    • @person1420
      @person1420 Před rokem

      You changed my mind about violence. I thought that the one amazing strength of women was that they weren't violent but peaceful. And not because there is a biological reason or something inherent in women that makes them this way. I know it's probably because that's how women are expected to be in this society.
      This thing that violence is kept from women is really interesting. I never thought about it but it seems right.
      I never questioned that this belief that women are peaceful that's why they are better would also make women passive and not retaliate against their patriarchy.

  • @Aggiemcdee
    @Aggiemcdee Před 5 lety +2

    This series was one of the best things I've watched this year. Amazing insight, presentation, everything! I couldn't stop watching... just Wow... blown away. You got yourself a new subscriber here.

  • @nateslovebug
    @nateslovebug Před 5 lety +12

    I loved every second of this.

  • @christophergiannetti8339

    This was an excellent essay dude. Really glad you took your time with this one and it is really nice to be able to watch new stuff from you.
    What you've discussed has give me a lot to think about.

  • @Noonmark
    @Noonmark Před 5 lety +1

    You did good on this series, man, real good. Great work!

  • @chrismic8087
    @chrismic8087 Před 5 lety +2

    I've never even watched this movie but I just binged this series of videos and holy shit, you're great.

  • @TheAgamidaex
    @TheAgamidaex Před 5 lety +1

    This was so well articulated and illustrated, bravo.
    The footage choice for "till the soil" alone deserves a like.

  • @ollie2696
    @ollie2696 Před 5 lety +8

    Fantastic take! Just watched all of the videos and I will start looking for these tropes, and work to avoid them in my own writing!

    • @Dorian_sapiens
      @Dorian_sapiens Před 5 lety +2

      For the most part, tropes aren't inherently bad-even the ones discussed in this series. They're just patterns that exist, and what matters is the purpose they're serving within a given work.

    • @ollie2696
      @ollie2696 Před 5 lety +7

      @@Dorian_sapiens true. Maybe it's better I say I want to avoid harmful or overused tropes so that I can challenge myself creatively and make something that stands out.

    • @Dorian_sapiens
      @Dorian_sapiens Před 5 lety +5

      @Ollie - That's the ticket! That's how we get works like Fury Road, so thank you in advance!

  • @pamdemonia
    @pamdemonia Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for fleshing out so thoroughly what I loved so instinctively about the film. Plus I got weepy somewhere around the 3rd part and that's always a good sign.

  • @nlafo
    @nlafo Před 5 lety

    I really enjoyed the thoughtful analysis in this series of videos. Thanks so much for taking the time to produce them!

  • @crocooks5851
    @crocooks5851 Před 3 lety +2

    Nice series! Super insightful, can't wait to put my friends on to this 👍

  • @mirmalchik
    @mirmalchik Před 5 lety +1

    Hell yeah. This series fucken bumps. Best CZcams binge in a while.

  • @TheMjsanty
    @TheMjsanty Před 4 lety +1

    This was a magnificent series. Thanks for creating it. Please do another series like this.

  • @TheDevinMT
    @TheDevinMT Před 3 lety +1

    Or summation of the thesis statement of the film is genuinely a 10/10. I sent it to friends without any context.

  • @Free_Bird420
    @Free_Bird420 Před 5 lety

    Amazing work my dude. I hope to see more series like this from you in the future!

  • @insertpersonhere4871
    @insertpersonhere4871 Před 5 lety +1

    Okay, now this is epic. This was a great series, and you run a great channel. Keep it up, comrade!

  • @hanibuni
    @hanibuni Před 3 lety +1

    absolutely amazing , thoughtful and in depth analysis i love this essay so much and after your analysis of kenny's character in ttg twd and this i am looking forward to binge watching all your content!! liked and subscribed!!

  • @ComradeCorwin
    @ComradeCorwin Před 4 lety +1

    Wow. This genuinely made me think about a subject I love and rarely have challenged with new ideas. Thank you for this video!

  • @xboxgamer474246
    @xboxgamer474246 Před 5 lety +1

    This is why I back you on Patreon. Amazing work.

  • @greypilgrim26
    @greypilgrim26 Před 5 lety +3

    absolutely fantastic series. thank you thank you thank you for making this

  • @EllieBobbit
    @EllieBobbit Před 5 lety

    This was a brilliant series. Thank you so much for making it!

  • @m.v.1335
    @m.v.1335 Před 5 lety

    Christmas came early this year or what?! What an incredible surprise!! A video series about one of my favorite movies done by one of my favorite youtubers all in one day?? Thank you so much for your hard work!! I loved every minute of it and look forward to more from you :D

  • @mackedie1
    @mackedie1 Před 3 lety +1

    I love this series!! Thank you so much!

  • @victoriacarolinavillela6543

    Loved this series! Thank you for creating .

  • @Sarah.H5
    @Sarah.H5 Před 4 lety

    This series was wonderful. Thank you for taking the time to lay out your arguments in such a clear and concise way.

  • @horaspeher3368
    @horaspeher3368 Před 5 lety

    This was amazing!!! I binged the whole thing just now, and you absolutely nailed it (as usual). ... Imma rewatch Mad Max now.

  • @Gideon_the_Seeker
    @Gideon_the_Seeker Před 5 lety +1

    This is a really great series. Thank you.

  • @ikeekieeki
    @ikeekieeki Před 5 lety +1

    this is an excellent series and i am glad to have found your channel

  • @AbbyLeaf101
    @AbbyLeaf101 Před 4 lety +2

    There's so much going on in this movie. All great, indepth points here, especially when considered in conjunction with Max's journey towards compassion, healing and aid.

  • @dduuddeechil
    @dduuddeechil Před 5 lety +46

    I think someone might of liked Fury Road juuuuuust a lil bit

  • @lindyhop24
    @lindyhop24 Před 5 lety

    Great series! Thanks for putting together these videos :)

  • @ArloMathis
    @ArloMathis Před 5 lety

    Phenomenal work. Fascinating and engaging the whole way through. Smartly written and well paced. This is why I subscribed.

  • @lilmizzserina
    @lilmizzserina Před 5 lety

    Fantastic series, totally unexpected but exactly what I needed. Great job!

  • @cabin_quilt
    @cabin_quilt Před 5 lety

    this series of videos was a pleasant surprise. Got me thinking about things that I never would have thought about on my own.

  • @aarkmish8087
    @aarkmish8087 Před 4 lety

    Brilliant! I so hope you make video essays on female and male tropes of other genres too.
    Your speech, editing, thoughts and choice of words are beyond amazing. I feel so blessed I got to watch this.

  • @lozzaaa15
    @lozzaaa15 Před 3 lety +1

    This series was utterly masterful and gave me a profound appreciation for a movie I enjoy but didn't give much thought when I first watched it. Bravo!

  • @williamhiers1280
    @williamhiers1280 Před 5 lety +1

    This series was excellent. I'm glad I subscribed to you.

  • @phaze2010
    @phaze2010 Před 5 lety

    You made a lot of excellent points and the editing in this series shows a lot of work. Not that I needed a reason, but time to go watch Fury Road again.

  • @fl00fydragon
    @fl00fydragon Před 5 lety +1

    History nerd here.
    Just realized that the name vuvalini is a reference.
    One of the leaders of the greek revolution (though not as well known) was Laskarina Bouboulina. First female admiral of the imperial russian navy.
    Quite fitting as the initial idea also had greek roots as they were depicted as harpies. (initial idea was them using gyrocopters)
    Combining all you said with this possible reference, an actual woman who historically was a violent badass, makes this even more awesome and pushes the narrative even further.

  • @Robert-iu2ou
    @Robert-iu2ou Před 2 lety +1

    What an awesome vid series, thank you!