Just wanted to add: The chastity belts in Fury Road are also over their clothing, making it impossible for them to take care of basic bodily functions without removing them or soiling themselves. It's not just about sex, it's about basic autonomy.
I think its important to note its not wrong to find women attractive, or even to find specifically powerful and violent women attractive. Its wrong to reduce them to the attraction and nothing else, which is what most action movies do.
Yup. Most fighting females in action movies are absurd. I can only watch them without lmao if the scantily clad fighters are supposed to have superpowers or magical gifts or w/e. I mean, what idiot would wear 5" platform heels to shoot a weapon that *real soldiers* shoot from a kneeling or lying down position bc of the kickback? Oh right... the idiot who just got paid $1million to flash her tits at the audience *-_-* I like TWD, tbh. The ladies use appropriate weapons and wear appropriate clothing. The human interactions and responses to hardship framed in the TWD storylines are pretty realistic, imo. I can see myself behaving like that if I were to survive a similar apocalypse. Hypothetically speaking, ofc :)
Its wrong for whom, exactly? If there is a market for it and its made by consenting adults there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Im tired of selfrighteous, prudish loudmouths like you trying to dictate whats acceptable. I decide what i find attractive, thank you very much.
Can masculine roles be reduced to flat powerful action heroes and nothing else, is that some kind of dreadful sexualization/objectification as well, or we only need to take special care of the writing of girls, because they're special?
I actually found that line really cringey, if only for something he goes on to admit like a minute or two later: most men are at least casually familiar with the things associated with a dominatrix (what he later directly admits), and thus would be able to recognize the difference (that he first talks about). He contradicts what he later concedes for a quip that, in my opinion, doesn't really land.
DS3 even had a character that changed genders based on the player's gender (hetero-normative implications aside) and it was easily done since the character was in a full knight set.
Chasity belts coming off doesn't represent sexual availability, it represents freedom for the enslaved wives. One of the many reasons why I love Mad Max, Fury Road.
@Autumn Potato BDSM is a variety of often erotic practices or roleplaying involving bondage, discipline, dominance and submission, sadomasochism, and other related interpersonal dynamics. Directly from Wikipedia Aside from the general advice related to safe sex, BDSM sessions often require a wider array of safety precautions than vanilla sex (sexual behaviour without BDSM elements).[10] In theory, to ensure consent related to BDSM activity, pre-play negotiations are commonplace, especially among partners who do not know each other very well. In practice, pick-up scenes at clubs or parties may sometimes be low in negotiation (much as pick-up sex from singles bars may not involve much negotiation or disclosure). These negotiations concern the interests and fantasies of each partner and establish a framework of both acceptable and unacceptable activities.[37] This kind of discussion is a typical "unique selling proposition" of BDSM sessions and quite commonplace.[38] Additionally, safewords are often arranged to provide for an immediate stop of any activity if any participant should so desire.[39]
One big reason Mad Max Fury Road is so good at not-sexualizing its women (not saying it doesn't at all - but it's definitely doing it less than other movies) is that it was edited by a woman, Margaret Sixel, the director's (George Miller) wife. It's similar as with porn shot/edited/produced by women; the angles, highlights, focus is just different because a woman isn't as subjected to male lust as male editors, cinematographers, producers, directors. I'd argue that Mad Max being edited by a woman is the strongest factor for it being so not-sexist period. (Note how she only got to edit the movie because George Miller actively decided to have a woman do that job, so he asked her - not by a "normal" process of how an editor is hired. Talk about how men can (and should) empower and enable women with the power they have in the partiarchy, but not actually take their place.)
I didn't know it was edited by his wife! Kudos! Maybe she isn't "subjected to male lust" as a woman, but she sure is as an editor. The language of editing is one still totally dictated by the male gaze. There simply are no female Spielbergs or Tarantinos,
I think it has more to do with George Miller not being an American director. Directors who "challenge" the Hollywood tropes are typically not Americans. E.g. Paul Verhoeven, Ang Lee. Sexualization is a choice. I haven't seen The Avengers, but from what I understand, the one female hero in it is being sexualized. (Here's one Internet quote I base that on: "The Over Sexualisation Of Black Widow In Avengers".) Does Hollywood think the success or failure of the movie rests on this one female being an object of desire for the male viewers? You could understand it if it had been an all-female movie and sex being used as a selling point. The Avengers seems to take it for granted that the role of females is to be sexy. The USA as a whole is extreme. It is a very sexist society. It's not surprising that Hollywood is the cinema of the extreme. Hyper-sexualization and social conservatism are Hollywood tropes because they are American tropes. I'm afraid that you and Innuendo Studios give way too much credit for nothing.
Jannis Tenbrink, there's a huge difference between the USA and, say, Sweden. Nudie bars are pretty mainstream in the USA, but virtually unthinkable in Sweden. You cannot compare the USA to secular Europe. Most cable TV carriers don't offer Fox News, because it's considered an extreme channel. Money and status are very important in the USA. There are gold diggers in Sweden as well, but females are generally not impressed by those things. You certainly will have a hard time scoring a date if you start to talk about what you make and what car you drive. Women in Sweden expect equality in a relationship. It means both work and put in effort into the relationship. You may have heard of the Norwegian Skam/Shame TV series. They are making an American version. The biggest problem, according to a Swede in Hollywood, Per Blankens, working on it, is the American family. There are no parents in the Norwegian series. European teens are essentially independent by the time they start high school. They live at home, but they don't do things with the family. The USA scores high in traditional values, according to the World Values Survey. "Traditional values emphasize the importance of religion, parent-child ties, deference to authority, absolute standards and traditional family values. People who embrace these values also reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia and suicide. Societies that embrace these values have high levels of national pride and a nationalistic outlook." Those things are essentially dead in Scandinavia. Abortion is as controversial as chewing gum and walking at the same thing. A major reason for the American rejection of feminism is that it is linked to abortion. I feel like a stupid idiot moron just talking about abortion. So, yeah, Hollywood is extreme.
There's absolutely differences. It's still a world-wide problem. Swedish movies are great in things like representation and not being shitty because the society is very socially progressive - they're still not free from systemic sexism. And Sweden is pretty much the top example here. Every culture has its own version of sexism; in some it's more, in some less severe, but it's definitely not a US problem.
I'm not sure which is more annoying-stories which don't try to justify their female characters dressing all sexy for battle, or ones which do. On one hand, the latter know what they're doing is wrong and are trying to spackle the hole instead of fixing it; on the other hand, it can be kinda funny. "No, it makes sense. You see, she _breathes through her skin."_
Quiet has about as much agency and ability to communicate as your dog or horse. Hell, her gameplay role in the open-world missions is exactly the same as them.
Women on average are shorter and therefore can drink less alcohol, your suggestion is more dangerous towards women, therefore sexist. Or is it me saying men and women are different who's sexist? I don't know, maybe I should also just drink to death.
Petitio Principii- but height differs from the geographic origin one is from. If Bengali men is generally shorter than Dutch women so... let’s drink our thoughts away
i also love that max and furiosa's relationship isn't boiled down to love/sex, which is what a lot of movies tend to do. its not that love and sex are bad, its that there are other things too, you know. max and furiosa have other motivations that are complex and nuanced nonetheless, and their relationship is beautiful without being sexual
I feel like most sexually dominant women reject the term dominatrix in favor of domme or mistress or any of a thousand more context specific ones. Dominatrix tends to be the pop cultural touchstone. It is, basically, the movie term, so it works well here. :)
GoneZombie dominatrix is usually a woman who does it 'professionally'(mistress aswell).. so thats why domme or similar terms are prefered among people who do it because they like it in a relationship with a partner and not with a client.
"Men don't want to be [the dominatrix]" Yeaaah. Something I've noticed is that the dominatrix type character is often very appealing to trans women (like myself). The first time I really remember wanting to be a woman was playing Bayonetta. I wanted to *be* Bayonetta, and I was surprised to find out that wasn't a common reaction.
Relatable! Hahaha! I’m trans too. Growing up, watching all the for-the-straight-white-male-gaze stuff that was put in our faces, the thought of being rather than desiring a woman was frequent.
I was going to object to your use of Sucker Punch in this section....until you totally justified it in a way that changed my perception of the movie. I mean, I'm still biased because it's one of my favorite movies, and the aesthetic choices are a big part of that, but your point about form dominating function is extremely valid.
I was watching the anime "Maria the virgin witch" and what really made me amazed is that Maria is a black leather wearing sexy girl with a succubus and incubus as her minions and her being a virgin is literally in the name, but the show manages to talk about sexuality in a really interesting and deep way. It only shows Maria as sexy if she's happy and content, but when she's beaten and abused (as well as, uh... sexually assaulted at one point) the camera pulls the fuck away, hiding her body behind the objects, or only focuses on her bruised swelled-up face. I never even noticed before how often a female character experiencing pain is framed as sexy as possible. Thanks, sexy witch anime! (also it's just in general really really good and interesting and Maria is epic)
The Four Horsemen I hated the fact that she lost her powers and tied herself to a dude. Maybe it’s because I consider children to be something I will never have, but I’ve hated this recent trend of procreate or die in anime in general.
Sucker Punch, the more I've run into it, really is a fascinating movie. Within the explicit text of the movie, the action scenes with the girls dressed in sexy clothing are all metaphors for the girls being exploited both in the metaphorical "brothel" universe (which is directly sexually exploitative), and within the mental asylum which is definitely abusive and probably sexually exploitative. In this context it raises an interesting point of comparison.
I was amazed by the Fury Road scene. I had heard the movie was feminist and didn't sexualize the women and the first few seconds had me mentally composing texts to my friends who recommended it...then Angharad turned her belly into frame and they became humans and Max made his intentions clear.
4:19 In fact there are animes that subvert that scene, like Konosuba (the girls are from the protagonist team, and all three of them are crazy czcams.com/video/tkAXBRPm4CY/video.html ) or Danmachi (the protagonist didn't want to but his inner demon in the form of the god Hermes made him do it, and was later subjected to a BDSM session by his assistant/babysitter/waifu Asfi czcams.com/video/D05kMhr2fVo/video.html ).
This whole series makes me so insanely happy. I don’t know why but genuinely fantastic, non-sexual, empathetic representation of women of a variety of types and places on the gender spectrum is so hard to come by and is amazing when done right.
Femme fatale, Catwomen seem to be popular because girls could identify with her, after Loki's success and how people could identify with the being an Outsider part of that(bullied, self loathing and internalised racism). Am considering if maybe it was the anti-hero / anti-villain part that everyone loved so much
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on 'The Neon Demon'. Probably at least half the scenes in that film feature scantily clad women/girls but I felt like the film makers did a really good job of taking the whole 'male gaze' aspect out of those scenes. The film really made you empathise with the female characters rather than framing them like objects for the male viewer to be aroused by. Only towards the very end (spoiler alert!) when they murder the protagonist and play around in her blood and guts do they start to frame those characters in a sexually suggestive way, but that sexual imagery is mixed in with the revolting images of blood and gore, so they still aren't really titillating.
I am both surprised -- and honestly HAPPY -- that this series doesn't have near the number of downvotes I thought it would. Instead there's overwhelming positivity. Yay :D
This movie is the treasure of modern filmmaking and i love that people talk about it. It has so much to offer and yet people tend to try very hard not to think about it. I agree with everything you said here.
Because they trick the eye into thinking that legs are longer (and often, a bit more slender as well). It's less about height as it is about leg to torso ratio lol
I know the filmmakers were probably trying to cater to the male gaze when they made Domino, buuuut Keira knitley is usually a favorite amongst saphic women, and that will allways be funny to me. They were aiming at the guys, but hit the gals instead hahaha
personally, as a military veteran and former mercenary, I would love to see more actresses rock modern day body armor and equipment, like the female lead in Sicario, I loved seeing her kitted up, It had honest appeal to me beyond just fetishism
This is such a fabulous series. If you ever have the option, you should consider doing an analysis in violence and sexuality in th film "Trouble Every Day".
"Men don't want to be barb wire" Well speak for yourself buddy Although the shots you showed from this movie do look a little... on the nose, shall we say.
Okay, only at this point in the series, but I hope that Returns!Catwoman either shows up again in the suffering video, or that IS reads this comment and reassesses Batman Returns as a whole. While I will fully admit it is not a very good Batman film in terms of fidelity to the source material, it is an amazing character study and I would argue that Catwoman can be read as the true protagonist in a way. Plus it has Danny Elfman's best movie score and I will fight you.
no one is bullying Bayonetta. 1) sexuality is part of her archetype. It's not wrong to point out that sexuality is a form of power or to have women who use their sexuality to gain power over others. It's just wrong to portray that as the only form of power a woman can have (or at least the only acceptable form of power for a woman). Don't have a Margaery Tyrell without having a Sansa Stark. Bonus points if you also have an Oberyn Martell. 2) it's not the fault of the female character that she's getting creeped on. It's your fault for enjoying it. It's not wrong to have a creepy scene: it just shouldn't get portrayed as romantic or played for laughs. Psycho is a horror movie. 3) It's not wrong for a woman to show off sexually if she knows she is being watched. Nor is it wrong for the viewer to enjoy it, as long as the character knows the viewer is there. In games this can take two forms: either a fourth wall break where the female character knowingly flirts with the player or where the player is immersed in the player character's PoV. It's not bad to enjoy Triss topless in The Witcher, she knows Geralt is watching and you are Geralt. If the TV show shot the scene in the same way it's shown in the game though, THAT would be a problem. Ask yourself, who is the camera? 4) You are Bayonetta when you play. That changes the context. She's not showing off for an unseen viewer (even if the game is third person), YOU are sexually humiliating your enemies as you kill them. Her promiscuous behavior reinforces the power fantasy. Typically this is a behavior we associate with male heroes, or with female villains. Indeed, Bayonetta falls into an archetype which is typically portrayed as villainous ESPECIALLY when the character is female. But in this game she's the protagonist (though it's a stretch to call her a "hero"), so that's nice. As you pointed out, Bayonetta is not portrayed much differently from Dante. That's most of the reason she's so cool. She's an example of a very sexualized character, but not an example of sexualization done poorly.
@@sophiejones7727 For the record I was talking about Anita Sarkeesian's unending transphobia when talking about Bayonetta. Actually Sarkeesian has the biggest transphobia problems on the rainbow capitalist front and she quotes Dworkin.
@@hayaokakizaki4463 I always type paragraphs lol. ok... I obviously missed something. I mean I knew that Sarkeesian was transphobic, but what does Bayonetta have to do with being trans? Also, why bring that up on an unrelated video? Is the video maker a friend of hers?
@@sophiejones7727 Most of OPs videos are just divining the good bits of knowledge from Sarkeesian's philosophy, "The Alt-Right Playbook" is pretty much an attempt to save her views. Yes he's friends with her, and Sarkeesian's "commentary" on Bayonetta is briefly referenced in the beginning of the video (commentary literally being "wow look how much she looks like a man so mannish right haha")
Already knowing from a comment on the last video in the series, where you said to have had Atomic Blonde "on deck," I'm assuming that there were a lot of other movies you decided not to use footage of as examples. Assuming that you watched all those movies and that there were a whole lot of other movies to choose from that you didn't decide to use, I really want to know why you chose Sucker Punch. It's a movie that basically vilifies the part of the audience in the subtext that would typically enjoy what is presented on the surface. I see it as critiquing a lot of points that you are making as well.
I got to thinking about the intersection between this character archetype being defined more or less as "sexuality as performance" and the inherently voyeuristic nature of film (and honestly lots of storytelling in general). Sometimes, performance is fun with no regard to audience; think air guitar. The sense I always got from Bayonetta, since you bring her up, is that at least within the internal logic of her world she's just that kind of person. The sexiness is for her own sake because SHE enjoys it, because obviously she isn't doing it for the sake of the angels she's about to murder. But that inherent sense of voyeurism means that ultimately EVERYTHING about storytelling is for the sake of the story's audience. So what can you do? How do you show it's okay to dance when no one is looking to an audience? Especially when analyzing media from every possible angle has become so common nowadays, not that that's a genie that could or should be put back in the bottle.
So where would a Femme Fatal from the Noir genre fall? I don't believe they would fall into this category. Would they be in the False Innocent subcategory?
Good video, meaningful subject matter. But it could’ve been several hours long. And perhaps it should’ve, women of every sexuality have been silenced by straight men in our culture for far too long. I won’t get too into it because it would be more accurate coming from the mouth of someone who’s experienced these hardships.
Dude, you youtube wrong. You should have had this as one video, with mid-roll ads between the chapters. You'd have made more money, none of them are longer than 10 minutes as of now, not everybody will watch all of them (I will though) so you get less views and comments on the later ones screwing with your metrics, and you deserve to make money for the quality of the work and the amount of it you put in, its another awesome video from you that CZcams SHOULD be paying you for. Hell, if this was one video with mid-rolls, I purposefully wouldn't have skipped them so you get paid more for having us watch the whole ad.
There's no reason to not have both, and he deserves to get paid for the work he put in. Hell, some of the best documentaries are released at the cinema and not just put on PBS. He deserves it for this, stuff like this makes CZcams what it is to people who don't just want to watch the dregs of society doing pranks and arguing/having boxing matches with each other. CZcams could be paying him for that as well as the viewers paying him by themselves through Patreon.
CZcams should do that. I like Game of Thrones, I'm not writing a cheque after every episode and posting it to Weiss and Benniof as their 'tips' Arseholes use it to get paid, and even the people with the biggest Patreons usually make more off youtube than they do off the viewers. would you have minded mid-rolls on a 50 min videos so this guy can make more money than Patreon's would ever send him? I wouldn't. And he deserves both. It's not like he's posting two video's a day with five mid-rolls in each, coming in at just over ten minutes to maximise his profits, A straight through thing, with mid-rolls between each chapter, is acceptable without it looking like he's taking the piss. I wasn't having a dig at the guy, the whole point of it was he deserves to get paid off the service him being on improves, the way it is now this could get more views than Shane Dawson will on his Jake Paul thing, and youtube aren't gonna give him a penny for it. They should give him WAY more than a penny.
I think I understand what advice you are trying to give, but there's an assumption you're making about the Innuendo Studios business model that's incorrect: this channel is not monetized *at all* through CZcams. It's monetized through Patreon. It's not monetized through drawing in views, it's monetized through drawing in fans. I can't speak for Ian Danskin, but he talked about funding and incentives and his choices with respect to these in the latter half of "Getting My Ass Paid: Why Crowdfund?" - czcams.com/video/98j0h03pG3E/video.htmlm33s - and viewing that (or reading the transcript starting at "the other thing about crowdfunding") might give you better context for commenting on his separating this essay into eight parts from a business perspective. Apologies to our host if I'm being out of line by bringing this up here in this way.
@@ZedAmadeus I just don't think that writing attractive female characters is wrong in any way if it's not out of the context. Especially if we are talking about action movies
@@diogenezis okay, but my comment was more in response to the "not anyone who's attracted to women" or whatever which was just a liiittle silly, my guy :/ Also I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but I don't think the dude disagrees with you either. There's nothing wrong with sexiness it's just the patterns of sexiness/sexuality we're used to watching onscreen often confer power, agency, empathy TO men and AWAY from women. There are definitely movies that rate highly in sexiness where the women characters' sexuality is an incorporated part of her character and personhood but doesn't eclipse everything else. You know, like... a lot of us are sexual beings. It's not wrong to write that into your movie, and it can be really fun to watch, but... it hasn't always been fun FOR EVERYONE because of how we've historically gone about it.
Don't want to nitpick but I'd say SuckerPunch isn't a good example of women wearing sexy outfits for the audience's pleasure, it's tied up heavily with the themes of the film. Maybe they could have played it differently but I think it really works
Sucker Punch is a weird one to talk about, because on the one hand, Zach Snyder is definitely self-aware enough to know what pandering eye candy is, but he's also got such a hard-on for his own visual style, it's not clear which parts he's making ironically.
I agree, but also think the criticism of making them wear the sexy outfits even in the fantasy sequences, where they're supposed to be at their toughest and most empowered, merits some examination. I mean I loved the costumes, but even leather armor would probably have made more sense? Especially in the scenes where it's snowing, brrr.
I have a small critique for this video and some comments I've seen here. I have seen a few people imply that masculine women are "less of a woman" and I think people should be more careful with their wording. "The domimatrix is a violent character who is still unmistakably a woman. Say what you want about Beyonetta, she's not mannish." It seems like here you are comparing masculine women to men or calling them "mannish". I think it is better to avoid that. Femininity is not what makes a woman a woman. It is really sexist to imply this.
I would like to point out with the clothing thing, that since unless you’re wearing specifically protective clothing, it dosen’t matter what you’re wearing, and often less is more, see: exhaustion and overheating. Shirtless glistening men in the jungle in... well any action movie set in a jungle, is just about the same thing. 1: the audience likes it, this goes for men and women, from both the point of: thats hot, and the point of: I wanna look like that 2: men and women, some of them, like dressing revealingly or being sexual, that just *is* what some people do
Am I awful to say that I like both? I like the way they portrayed women in Fury Road, and in the the more "objectifying" films. I don't find objectifying objectionable. We all do it. We always have, and we've still progressed. (Apart from whining about objectification.) There's plenty of men in tv and film that are as hot as hell, and portrayed very much in ways that pleases women (and men). To be honest, I do dislike when women are portrayed just as barbie dolls, and dumb ones at that. The most nauseating thing is when these women gets cheesy lines about how much they "need a strong man," because they are women, and that kind of stuff. But I don't think we see too much of that any more. What I'm saying is, given that the woman or man is kind of "normal", and in "it would not be absurd to think that you could meet someone in real life with a similar personality", then I don't care about objectification, that they make stuff sexy and erotic. I like seeing beautiful men and women. Most people do. And I'm 100% sure that most feminists ALSO appreciate the physical beauty and appearance of whomever they're sexually and otherwise attracted to.
It wouldn't be such a big deal if there actually _was_ equal opportunity objectifying, but there isn't. Just having attractive men in a movie isn't objectifying. It's about how they are framed, what the camera focuses on, what aspects of their character are highlighted, what role they play etc. A lot of this has to do with the 'male gaze', despite anti-feminists trying to meme that term to death. It's rare to see a man's crotch fill the entire cinema screen. But as you saw in this video, when a woman does a gymnastic stunt the camera will show you every inch of that body as close-up as possible, preferably in slow motion. (And this is often true even if they don't do a stunt as well.) Lindsay Ellis has some great videos on this topic regarding female characters and feminist theory.
@@TheMrVengeance Well, women should make movies with a woman gaze in mind, no one is preventing them to do it.... I would not watch it though because I'm not interested in watching hot guys cause i'm heterosexual but I'd be happy if women could objectify more often guys as well. Just I'd like the stopping of the critizing of the male gaze like there's something wrong with it. I think there's nothing wrong with objectification it's part of our mecanism of desire that happens in our mind.
@@TheMrVengeance yeah, because NO ONE wants a man's crotch to fill the entire screen. you're missing the point if you think that's what will "equal out" your little problem.
"men do not want to be Barb Wire"
guess that should have clued me in to the whole trans thing
oh my GOD lmao
if that isn't a mood...
we have decided to stan
My thoughts exactly lol
...Dammit, why did I never notice this?
Just wanted to add: The chastity belts in Fury Road are also over their clothing, making it impossible for them to take care of basic bodily functions without removing them or soiling themselves. It's not just about sex, it's about basic autonomy.
I think its important to note its not wrong to find women attractive, or even to find specifically powerful and violent women attractive. Its wrong to reduce them to the attraction and nothing else, which is what most action movies do.
Yup. Most fighting females in action movies are absurd. I can only watch them without lmao if the scantily clad fighters are supposed to have superpowers or magical gifts or w/e. I mean, what idiot would wear 5" platform heels to shoot a weapon that *real soldiers* shoot from a kneeling or lying down position bc of the kickback? Oh right... the idiot who just got paid $1million to flash her tits at the audience *-_-* I like TWD, tbh. The ladies use appropriate weapons and wear appropriate clothing. The human interactions and responses to hardship framed in the TWD storylines are pretty realistic, imo. I can see myself behaving like that if I were to survive a similar apocalypse. Hypothetically speaking, ofc :)
So what about James bond?
Its wrong for whom, exactly? If there is a market for it and its made by consenting adults there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Im tired of selfrighteous, prudish loudmouths like you trying to dictate whats acceptable. I decide what i find attractive, thank you very much.
@@Akron162 Good old capitalism. All money, no humanity.
Can masculine roles be reduced to flat powerful action heroes and nothing else, is that some kind of dreadful sexualization/objectification as well, or we only need to take special care of the writing of girls, because they're special?
"How do I know? Mind your own business"
deadpan af.
I liked for that line alone XD
I actually found that line really cringey, if only for something he goes on to admit like a minute or two later: most men are at least casually familiar with the things associated with a dominatrix (what he later directly admits), and thus would be able to recognize the difference (that he first talks about). He contradicts what he later concedes for a quip that, in my opinion, doesn't really land.
@@totlyepic bit of an over-analysis, don't you think?
@@totlyepic You should make a video out of it.
Maybe a 6-part series.
@@alalalala57 the irony lol
Full armor in Dark Souls... and you have no idea is that female or male because it's a functional armor, not halloween dress up.
Not to mention the feminine outfits aren't changed if your male character wears them. You want that anti-curse buff? You gotta put on that dingy robe.
DS3 even had a character that changed genders based on the player's gender (hetero-normative implications aside) and it was easily done since the character was in a full knight set.
I may or may not have gasp-laughed at "How do I know? Mind your own business."
Chasity belts coming off doesn't represent sexual availability, it represents freedom for the enslaved wives. One of the many reasons why I love Mad Max, Fury Road.
@@asdfasdf3989 ???????????
@@asdfasdf3989 okay Boomer
@Autumn Potato BDSM is a variety of often erotic practices or roleplaying involving bondage, discipline, dominance and submission, sadomasochism, and other related interpersonal dynamics.
Directly from Wikipedia
Aside from the general advice related to safe sex, BDSM sessions often require a wider array of safety precautions than vanilla sex (sexual behaviour without BDSM elements).[10] In theory, to ensure consent related to BDSM activity, pre-play negotiations are commonplace, especially among partners who do not know each other very well. In practice, pick-up scenes at clubs or parties may sometimes be low in negotiation (much as pick-up sex from singles bars may not involve much negotiation or disclosure). These negotiations concern the interests and fantasies of each partner and establish a framework of both acceptable and unacceptable activities.[37] This kind of discussion is a typical "unique selling proposition" of BDSM sessions and quite commonplace.[38] Additionally, safewords are often arranged to provide for an immediate stop of any activity if any participant should so desire.[39]
@Autumn Potato imagine thinking that human sexuality or will has any value
Actually chastity belts were worn as a protection against rape: the woman usually kept the key at home in a safe place under her control.
One big reason Mad Max Fury Road is so good at not-sexualizing its women (not saying it doesn't at all - but it's definitely doing it less than other movies) is that it was edited by a woman, Margaret Sixel, the director's (George Miller) wife. It's similar as with porn shot/edited/produced by women; the angles, highlights, focus is just different because a woman isn't as subjected to male lust as male editors, cinematographers, producers, directors. I'd argue that Mad Max being edited by a woman is the strongest factor for it being so not-sexist period. (Note how she only got to edit the movie because George Miller actively decided to have a woman do that job, so he asked her - not by a "normal" process of how an editor is hired. Talk about how men can (and should) empower and enable women with the power they have in the partiarchy, but not actually take their place.)
I didn't know it was edited by his wife! Kudos! Maybe she isn't "subjected to male lust" as a woman, but she sure is as an editor. The language of editing is one still totally dictated by the male gaze. There simply are no female Spielbergs or Tarantinos,
I think it has more to do with George Miller not being an American director. Directors who "challenge" the Hollywood tropes are typically not Americans. E.g. Paul Verhoeven, Ang Lee.
Sexualization is a choice. I haven't seen The Avengers, but from what I understand, the one female hero in it is being sexualized. (Here's one Internet quote I base that on: "The Over Sexualisation Of Black Widow In Avengers".) Does Hollywood think the success or failure of the movie rests on this one female being an object of desire for the male viewers? You could understand it if it had been an all-female movie and sex being used as a selling point. The Avengers seems to take it for granted that the role of females is to be sexy.
The USA as a whole is extreme. It is a very sexist society. It's not surprising that Hollywood is the cinema of the extreme. Hyper-sexualization and social conservatism are Hollywood tropes because they are American tropes.
I'm afraid that you and Innuendo Studios give way too much credit for nothing.
Systemic sexism is not a US problem, it's a male problem. Worldwide.
Jannis Tenbrink, there's a huge difference between the USA and, say, Sweden. Nudie bars are pretty mainstream in the USA, but virtually unthinkable in Sweden. You cannot compare the USA to secular Europe. Most cable TV carriers don't offer Fox News, because it's considered an extreme channel.
Money and status are very important in the USA. There are gold diggers in Sweden as well, but females are generally not impressed by those things. You certainly will have a hard time scoring a date if you start to talk about what you make and what car you drive. Women in Sweden expect equality in a relationship. It means both work and put in effort into the relationship.
You may have heard of the Norwegian Skam/Shame TV series. They are making an American version. The biggest problem, according to a Swede in Hollywood, Per Blankens, working on it, is the American family. There are no parents in the Norwegian series. European teens are essentially independent by the time they start high school. They live at home, but they don't do things with the family.
The USA scores high in traditional values, according to the World Values Survey. "Traditional values emphasize the importance of religion, parent-child ties, deference to authority, absolute standards and traditional family values. People who embrace these values also reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia and suicide. Societies that embrace these values have high levels of national pride and a nationalistic outlook."
Those things are essentially dead in Scandinavia. Abortion is as controversial as chewing gum and walking at the same thing. A major reason for the American rejection of feminism is that it is linked to abortion. I feel like a stupid idiot moron just talking about abortion.
So, yeah, Hollywood is extreme.
There's absolutely differences. It's still a world-wide problem. Swedish movies are great in things like representation and not being shitty because the society is very socially progressive - they're still not free from systemic sexism. And Sweden is pretty much the top example here. Every culture has its own version of sexism; in some it's more, in some less severe, but it's definitely not a US problem.
I'm not sure which is more annoying-stories which don't try to justify their female characters dressing all sexy for battle, or ones which do. On one hand, the latter know what they're doing is wrong and are trying to spackle the hole instead of fixing it; on the other hand, it can be kinda funny. "No, it makes sense. You see, she _breathes through her skin."_
are you using Quiet as an example?
doesnt seem too bad to be honest
you don't understand, she just couldn't think of a symbol to put on her chest so she just left it open.
Should've known somebody mentioned Quiet before me.
Quiet has about as much agency and ability to communicate as your dog or horse. Hell, her gameplay role in the open-world missions is exactly the same as them.
Once you know the real reason why she... oh wait you already mentioned that. Wow this is awkward, I gotta go.
Take a shot for every "so I'm not supposed to be aroused by sexy women anymore???" type comment.
Women on average are shorter and therefore can drink less alcohol, your suggestion is more dangerous towards women, therefore sexist. Or is it me saying men and women are different who's sexist? I don't know, maybe I should also just drink to death.
Petitio Principii- but height differs from the geographic origin one is from. If Bengali men is generally shorter than Dutch women so... let’s drink our thoughts away
Related energy, "So what about the *men* who are 2 dimensional? Why only women?" Already saw a couple
I'm dry tonight bois... all i see is echo chambering
WHY DID YOU MAKE ME WATCH THAT CLIP OF TRANSPORTER 2 OH GOD I HAD REPRESSED IT
i also love that max and furiosa's relationship isn't boiled down to love/sex, which is what a lot of movies tend to do. its not that love and sex are bad, its that there are other things too, you know. max and furiosa have other motivations that are complex and nuanced nonetheless, and their relationship is beautiful without being sexual
I feel like most sexually dominant women reject the term dominatrix in favor of domme or mistress or any of a thousand more context specific ones. Dominatrix tends to be the pop cultural touchstone. It is, basically, the movie term, so it works well here. :)
GoneZombie dominatrix is usually a woman who does it 'professionally'(mistress aswell)..
so thats why domme or similar terms are prefered among people who do it because they like it in a relationship with a partner and not with a client.
"Men don't want to be [the dominatrix]"
Yeaaah. Something I've noticed is that the dominatrix type character is often very appealing to trans women (like myself). The first time I really remember wanting to be a woman was playing Bayonetta. I wanted to *be* Bayonetta, and I was surprised to find out that wasn't a common reaction.
@God Usoland Good God....
Relatable! Hahaha! I’m trans too. Growing up, watching all the for-the-straight-white-male-gaze stuff that was put in our faces, the thought of being rather than desiring a woman was frequent.
I've always wanted to be the sexy dangerous dominatrix character when i watched action movies as a kid, to be fair i did turn out to be gay
Purple デーモン *glance at icon*
Yeah a bit
Same but with Bayonetta or Rao from Okami.
I’m straight but I relate to the sentiment. But I also like being cute an submissive. So maybe I fantasize about being a switch 🤷🏽♀️
I was going to object to your use of Sucker Punch in this section....until you totally justified it in a way that changed my perception of the movie. I mean, I'm still biased because it's one of my favorite movies, and the aesthetic choices are a big part of that, but your point about form dominating function is extremely valid.
"Say what you want about Bayonetta"
*NERF BAYO MORE.*
I was watching the anime "Maria the virgin witch" and what really made me amazed is that Maria is a black leather wearing sexy girl with a succubus and incubus as her minions and her being a virgin is literally in the name, but the show manages to talk about sexuality in a really interesting and deep way. It only shows Maria as sexy if she's happy and content, but when she's beaten and abused (as well as, uh... sexually assaulted at one point) the camera pulls the fuck away, hiding her body behind the objects, or only focuses on her bruised swelled-up face.
I never even noticed before how often a female character experiencing pain is framed as sexy as possible. Thanks, sexy witch anime!
(also it's just in general really really good and interesting and Maria is epic)
I'm going to check that out 😍😍
Also has some the most realistic depictions of medieval combat (minus the magic)
The ending kinda ruined it for me.
The Four Horsemen I hated the fact that she lost her powers and tied herself to a dude. Maybe it’s because I consider children to be something I will never have, but I’ve hated this recent trend of procreate or die in anime in general.
By the gods, how many videos are you gonna upload today, not that I'm complaining I love this
The original 50-minute long video got a copyright strike. So I assume he decided to just break it down.
Sucker Punch, the more I've run into it, really is a fascinating movie. Within the explicit text of the movie, the action scenes with the girls dressed in sexy clothing are all metaphors for the girls being exploited both in the metaphorical "brothel" universe (which is directly sexually exploitative), and within the mental asylum which is definitely abusive and probably sexually exploitative.
In this context it raises an interesting point of comparison.
How long until "BARB WIRE WAS A BAD MOVIE SO IT DOESN'T COUNT" comments
I was amazed by the Fury Road scene. I had heard the movie was feminist and didn't sexualize the women and the first few seconds had me mentally composing texts to my friends who recommended it...then Angharad turned her belly into frame and they became humans and Max made his intentions clear.
so you just said pregnancy is ugly?! how dare you a woman can do what she wants with her body! sexist sexist sexist! repent!
@@mariosucks1016 get a hobby you Luigi Lover.
4:19 In fact there are animes that subvert that scene, like Konosuba (the girls are from the protagonist team, and all three of them are crazy czcams.com/video/tkAXBRPm4CY/video.html ) or Danmachi (the protagonist didn't want to but his inner demon in the form of the god Hermes made him do it, and was later subjected to a BDSM session by his assistant/babysitter/waifu Asfi czcams.com/video/D05kMhr2fVo/video.html ).
This whole series makes me so insanely happy. I don’t know why but genuinely fantastic, non-sexual, empathetic representation of women of a variety of types and places on the gender spectrum is so hard to come by and is amazing when done right.
Femme fatale, Catwomen seem to be popular because girls could identify with her, after Loki's success and how people could identify with the being an Outsider part of that(bullied, self loathing and internalised racism). Am considering if maybe it was the anti-hero / anti-villain part that everyone loved so much
the "how do i know? mind your own business" part just made me crack up so hard
what i like about mad max fury road is that it is written in the language of the oppressed, and not the oppressors.
Goddamn I want to watch max fury road
@ Marianne DOoooo itttttt. 😁
I'm rewatching this series and I can't believe how well done it is. It's such a deep reading, but comically easy to follow. Well done again!
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on 'The Neon Demon'. Probably at least half the scenes in that film feature scantily clad women/girls but I felt like the film makers did a really good job of taking the whole 'male gaze' aspect out of those scenes. The film really made you empathise with the female characters rather than framing them like objects for the male viewer to be aroused by. Only towards the very end (spoiler alert!) when they murder the protagonist and play around in her blood and guts do they start to frame those characters in a sexually suggestive way, but that sexual imagery is mixed in with the revolting images of blood and gore, so they still aren't really titillating.
Licking someone’s face like the intro just makes me very uncomfortable for the actor. Hopefully they got some mouthwash.
Yeah, she licked his eye ball
3:06 wish someone told me that sooner :/
i feel ya >.
omg haha
I am both surprised -- and honestly HAPPY -- that this series doesn't have near the number of downvotes I thought it would. Instead there's overwhelming positivity. Yay :D
This movie is the treasure of modern filmmaking and i love that people talk about it. It has so much to offer and yet people tend to try very hard not to think about it. I agree with everything you said here.
That's because this movie has very little to think about. If you try, it falls apart very quickly
I have to ask what about high heels are sexy. Tall women I get are appealing to people like me but high heels are just wierd.
Because they trick the eye into thinking that legs are longer (and often, a bit more slender as well). It's less about height as it is about leg to torso ratio lol
@Just Looking that explains so much
@Just Looking
So high heels are not just bad for your feet and Achilles tendon but also for your back.
I know the filmmakers were probably trying to cater to the male gaze when they made Domino, buuuut Keira knitley is usually a favorite amongst saphic women, and that will allways be funny to me. They were aiming at the guys, but hit the gals instead hahaha
the gals are desperate
i AM desperate
and its okay then!
personally, as a military veteran and former mercenary, I would love to see more actresses rock modern day body armor and equipment, like the female lead in Sicario, I loved seeing her kitted up, It had honest appeal to me beyond just fetishism
getting stroked
Please post more in general also please more alt right playbook
I'd highly recommend ContraPoints if the Alt-Right Playbook vids are your shtick.
@@chickensangwich97 already watch contra she's pretty cool
@@johnblunt6693 Gay.
This is such a fabulous series. If you ever have the option, you should consider doing an analysis in violence and sexuality in th film "Trouble Every Day".
That archer reference had me cracking up.
great analysis, keep it up
Fury Road was so good. One of my favorite action movies.
Amazing they can still find makeup in the dystopian world of Fury Road...
Most makeup is actually made from insects, so it's not impossible 😂
2:12 - nicely chosen! You can't spell "archertypes" without Archer.
"Men don't want to be barb wire" Well speak for yourself buddy
Although the shots you showed from this movie do look a little... on the nose, shall we say.
If your egg hasn't cracked yet, I've got some news for you~
Okay, only at this point in the series, but I hope that Returns!Catwoman either shows up again in the suffering video, or that IS reads this comment and reassesses Batman Returns as a whole. While I will fully admit it is not a very good Batman film in terms of fidelity to the source material, it is an amazing character study and I would argue that Catwoman can be read as the true protagonist in a way. Plus it has Danny Elfman's best movie score and I will fight you.
I say you're not allowed to bully Bayonetta for no other reason than because Dante, her predecessor, is also highly sexualized.
no one is bullying Bayonetta.
1) sexuality is part of her archetype. It's not wrong to point out that sexuality is a form of power or to have women who use their sexuality to gain power over others. It's just wrong to portray that as the only form of power a woman can have (or at least the only acceptable form of power for a woman). Don't have a Margaery Tyrell without having a Sansa Stark. Bonus points if you also have an Oberyn Martell.
2) it's not the fault of the female character that she's getting creeped on. It's your fault for enjoying it. It's not wrong to have a creepy scene: it just shouldn't get portrayed as romantic or played for laughs. Psycho is a horror movie.
3) It's not wrong for a woman to show off sexually if she knows she is being watched. Nor is it wrong for the viewer to enjoy it, as long as the character knows the viewer is there. In games this can take two forms: either a fourth wall break where the female character knowingly flirts with the player or where the player is immersed in the player character's PoV. It's not bad to enjoy Triss topless in The Witcher, she knows Geralt is watching and you are Geralt. If the TV show shot the scene in the same way it's shown in the game though, THAT would be a problem. Ask yourself, who is the camera?
4) You are Bayonetta when you play. That changes the context. She's not showing off for an unseen viewer (even if the game is third person), YOU are sexually humiliating your enemies as you kill them. Her promiscuous behavior reinforces the power fantasy. Typically this is a behavior we associate with male heroes, or with female villains. Indeed, Bayonetta falls into an archetype which is typically portrayed as villainous ESPECIALLY when the character is female. But in this game she's the protagonist (though it's a stretch to call her a "hero"), so that's nice.
As you pointed out, Bayonetta is not portrayed much differently from Dante. That's most of the reason she's so cool. She's an example of a very sexualized character, but not an example of sexualization done poorly.
@@sophiejones7727 "making white girls type paragraphs"
@@sophiejones7727 For the record I was talking about Anita Sarkeesian's unending transphobia when talking about Bayonetta.
Actually Sarkeesian has the biggest transphobia problems on the rainbow capitalist front and she quotes Dworkin.
@@hayaokakizaki4463 I always type paragraphs lol. ok... I obviously missed something. I mean I knew that Sarkeesian was transphobic, but what does Bayonetta have to do with being trans?
Also, why bring that up on an unrelated video? Is the video maker a friend of hers?
@@sophiejones7727 Most of OPs videos are just divining the good bits of knowledge from Sarkeesian's philosophy, "The Alt-Right Playbook" is pretty much an attempt to save her views. Yes he's friends with her, and Sarkeesian's "commentary" on Bayonetta is briefly referenced in the beginning of the video (commentary literally being "wow look how much she looks like a man so mannish right haha")
I love the stick figure versions of Max and Joe. XD
This is great exploration!
Already knowing from a comment on the last video in the series, where you said to have had Atomic Blonde "on deck," I'm assuming that there were a lot of other movies you decided not to use footage of as examples. Assuming that you watched all those movies and that there were a whole lot of other movies to choose from that you didn't decide to use, I really want to know why you chose Sucker Punch.
It's a movie that basically vilifies the part of the audience in the subtext that would typically enjoy what is presented on the surface. I see it as critiquing a lot of points that you are making as well.
I got to thinking about the intersection between this character archetype being defined more or less as "sexuality as performance" and the inherently voyeuristic nature of film (and honestly lots of storytelling in general). Sometimes, performance is fun with no regard to audience; think air guitar. The sense I always got from Bayonetta, since you bring her up, is that at least within the internal logic of her world she's just that kind of person. The sexiness is for her own sake because SHE enjoys it, because obviously she isn't doing it for the sake of the angels she's about to murder. But that inherent sense of voyeurism means that ultimately EVERYTHING about storytelling is for the sake of the story's audience.
So what can you do? How do you show it's okay to dance when no one is looking to an audience? Especially when analyzing media from every possible angle has become so common nowadays, not that that's a genie that could or should be put back in the bottle.
im living for peoples eggs cracking when the realise men dont want to be barb wire
Mind your business you say? I was half expecting to see you at Folsom today 👀
Omg you do remember that moment from spectre... Um skyfall’
Pamela Poovey:
ICON.
"For fuck sake Zoe Kravitz" indeed!
Looks like I am gonna watch Mad Max fury tonight.
The Stath's face... 😂
Bayonetta is an evil witch archetype first and foremost.
1 Bayonetta
2 yeah that's checks Out
It's me, FOXY CLEOPATRA. Long time no see
"How do I know? ..... Mind your own bussiness"
Who is the woman shown at 2:26?
Irene Adler from Sherlock. She's a dominatrix called The Woman in that series
So where would a Femme Fatal from the Noir genre fall? I don't believe they would fall into this category. Would they be in the False Innocent subcategory?
This video covers the femme fatale pretty well
czcams.com/video/XjAKd-Lfmt0/video.html
I thought the guard in Batman Returns was gonna say "I don't know whether to open fire, or open my pants"
All your references happened during my puberty u_u. life
@2:12 pam is best girl
Wait.. Thanatos?
...
Thanos? Does Thanos literally mean pain!?
Thanatos means ‘death’, Thanos means ‘immortal.’ Not pain. Close though.
@@halfpintrr also Thanos wanted to Bones death in the comic
Kinda the whole reason for Infinity War
2:15
phrasing
I would call the dominatrix a femme fatale i think thats a more aptly fitting name.
Best dominatrix you will ever have is a Yugo.
Bulshit bayonetta's best waifu
I love the stickfigure Max
Wow
Note: When you turn the dominatrix archetipe up to eleven you get a Yandere.
Wondering if femme fatale falls into this category?
There's a great take on the femme fatale here if you're interested
czcams.com/video/XjAKd-Lfmt0/video.html
2:16
3:6 wait her pumps excuse me am I stupid for not getting this?
male action movie featuring one of those standard hot chrises that typically star BUT its shot like barb wire. plot is unrelated
ah truly a battle to the death what will win in a man his ego or sex
Good video, meaningful subject matter. But it could’ve been several hours long. And perhaps it should’ve, women of every sexuality have been silenced by straight men in our culture for far too long. I won’t get too into it because it would be more accurate coming from the mouth of someone who’s experienced these hardships.
Was that a soft diss at my girl bayanetta?
was it a soft diss at Psycho?
No. sexualization isn't bad. Bad use of sexualization is bad.
Dude, you youtube wrong.
You should have had this as one video, with mid-roll ads between the chapters. You'd have made more money, none of them are longer than 10 minutes as of now, not everybody will watch all of them (I will though) so you get less views and comments on the later ones screwing with your metrics, and you deserve to make money for the quality of the work and the amount of it you put in, its another awesome video from you that CZcams SHOULD be paying you for.
Hell, if this was one video with mid-rolls, I purposefully wouldn't have skipped them so you get paid more for having us watch the whole ad.
It proves he's not in it for fame and money, just more knowledge.
There's no reason to not have both, and he deserves to get paid for the work he put in. Hell, some of the best documentaries are released at the cinema and not just put on PBS. He deserves it for this, stuff like this makes CZcams what it is to people who don't just want to watch the dregs of society doing pranks and arguing/having boxing matches with each other.
CZcams could be paying him for that as well as the viewers paying him by themselves through Patreon.
@@hybridvigga well he has a patreon, you can just... give him more money
CZcams should do that. I like Game of Thrones, I'm not writing a cheque after every episode and posting it to Weiss and Benniof as their 'tips'
Arseholes use it to get paid, and even the people with the biggest Patreons usually make more off youtube than they do off the viewers. would you have minded mid-rolls on a 50 min videos so this guy can make more money than Patreon's would ever send him? I wouldn't. And he deserves both.
It's not like he's posting two video's a day with five mid-rolls in each, coming in at just over ten minutes to maximise his profits, A straight through thing, with mid-rolls between each chapter, is acceptable without it looking like he's taking the piss.
I wasn't having a dig at the guy, the whole point of it was he deserves to get paid off the service him being on improves, the way it is now this could get more views than Shane Dawson will on his Jake Paul thing, and youtube aren't gonna give him a penny for it. They should give him WAY more than a penny.
I think I understand what advice you are trying to give, but there's an assumption you're making about the Innuendo Studios business model that's incorrect: this channel is not monetized *at all* through CZcams. It's monetized through Patreon. It's not monetized through drawing in views, it's monetized through drawing in fans.
I can't speak for Ian Danskin, but he talked about funding and incentives and his choices with respect to these in the latter half of "Getting My Ass Paid: Why Crowdfund?" - czcams.com/video/98j0h03pG3E/video.htmlm33s - and viewing that (or reading the transcript starting at "the other thing about crowdfunding") might give you better context for commenting on his separating this essay into eight parts from a business perspective.
Apologies to our host if I'm being out of line by bringing this up here in this way.
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5:06
Mimimi
“How do I know? Mind your own business” as a judge in the court of morals I condemn you for horniness 👨🏽⚖️
who is this video for?
I ask because the greater assumptions are really, REALLY specific.
Not for anyone who is into women for sure
Everyone
@@diogenezis what are you on?
@@ZedAmadeus I just don't think that writing attractive female characters is wrong in any way if it's not out of the context. Especially if we are talking about action movies
@@diogenezis okay, but my comment was more in response to the "not anyone who's attracted to women" or whatever which was just a liiittle silly, my guy :/
Also I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but I don't think the dude disagrees with you either. There's nothing wrong with sexiness it's just the patterns of sexiness/sexuality we're used to watching onscreen often confer power, agency, empathy TO men and AWAY from women. There are definitely movies that rate highly in sexiness where the women characters' sexuality is an incorporated part of her character and personhood but doesn't eclipse everything else. You know, like... a lot of us are sexual beings. It's not wrong to write that into your movie, and it can be really fun to watch, but... it hasn't always been fun FOR EVERYONE because of how we've historically gone about it.
Don't want to nitpick but I'd say SuckerPunch isn't a good example of women wearing sexy outfits for the audience's pleasure, it's tied up heavily with the themes of the film. Maybe they could have played it differently but I think it really works
Sucker Punch is a weird one to talk about, because on the one hand, Zach Snyder is definitely self-aware enough to know what pandering eye candy is, but he's also got such a hard-on for his own visual style, it's not clear which parts he's making ironically.
I agree, but also think the criticism of making them wear the sexy outfits even in the fantasy sequences, where they're supposed to be at their toughest and most empowered, merits some examination. I mean I loved the costumes, but even leather armor would probably have made more sense? Especially in the scenes where it's snowing, brrr.
I don`t want to be James Bond.
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“men don’t want to be barbed wire”
hm.
well...
I have a small critique for this video and some comments I've seen here. I have seen a few people imply that masculine women are "less of a woman" and I think people should be more careful with their wording.
"The domimatrix is a violent character who is still unmistakably a woman. Say what you want about Beyonetta, she's not mannish."
It seems like here you are comparing masculine women to men or calling them "mannish". I think it is better to avoid that. Femininity is not what makes a woman a woman. It is really sexist to imply this.
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Fury road based
I really don’t understand why people think eroticism de humanizes women it’s possible to be sexually attracted to a person
And this guy says it like men in those movies are very complex characters
It does have to be dehumanizing but it is often used for that purpose. Sexuality in this context is not hers, it exists only for men
@@legzfalloffgirl5148 what is her's sexuality? How can anyone be sexy without it being for someone else?
I would like to point out with the clothing thing, that since unless you’re wearing specifically protective clothing, it dosen’t matter what you’re wearing, and often less is more, see: exhaustion and overheating.
Shirtless glistening men in the jungle in... well any action movie set in a jungle, is just about the same thing.
1: the audience likes it, this goes for men and women, from both the point of: thats hot, and the point of: I wanna look like that
2: men and women, some of them, like dressing revealingly or being sexual, that just *is* what some people do
Stop generalizing normie
I don’t wanna be no James Bond and I’m not threatened by powerful female characters
second this.
"men don't want to be Barb Wire" speak for yourself
ha ha bottom
Am I awful to say that I like both? I like the way they portrayed women in Fury Road, and in the the more "objectifying" films. I don't find objectifying objectionable. We all do it. We always have, and we've still progressed. (Apart from whining about objectification.) There's plenty of men in tv and film that are as hot as hell, and portrayed very much in ways that pleases women (and men). To be honest, I do dislike when women are portrayed just as barbie dolls, and dumb ones at that. The most nauseating thing is when these women gets cheesy lines about how much they "need a strong man," because they are women, and that kind of stuff. But I don't think we see too much of that any more.
What I'm saying is, given that the woman or man is kind of "normal", and in "it would not be absurd to think that you could meet someone in real life with a similar personality", then I don't care about objectification, that they make stuff sexy and erotic. I like seeing beautiful men and women. Most people do. And I'm 100% sure that most feminists ALSO appreciate the physical beauty and appearance of whomever they're sexually and otherwise attracted to.
It wouldn't be such a big deal if there actually _was_ equal opportunity objectifying, but there isn't. Just having attractive men in a movie isn't objectifying. It's about how they are framed, what the camera focuses on, what aspects of their character are highlighted, what role they play etc. A lot of this has to do with the 'male gaze', despite anti-feminists trying to meme that term to death. It's rare to see a man's crotch fill the entire cinema screen. But as you saw in this video, when a woman does a gymnastic stunt the camera will show you every inch of that body as close-up as possible, preferably in slow motion. (And this is often true even if they don't do a stunt as well.)
Lindsay Ellis has some great videos on this topic regarding female characters and feminist theory.
@@TheMrVengeance Well, women should make movies with a woman gaze in mind, no one is preventing them to do it....
I would not watch it though because I'm not interested in watching hot guys cause i'm heterosexual but I'd be happy if women could objectify more often guys as well.
Just I'd like the stopping of the critizing of the male gaze like there's something wrong with it.
I think there's nothing wrong with objectification it's part of our mecanism of desire that happens in our mind.
@@TheMrVengeance yeah, because NO ONE wants a man's crotch to fill the entire screen. you're missing the point if you think that's what will "equal out" your little problem.
This was so respectful & insightful up to objectifying Zoe Kravits.