Is The "SPIDER-VERSE STYLE" The Future of ANIMATION?
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- It seems like we've been seeing the 2D-3D Hybrid style a lot more in Animation lately, not only with Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse but also in the Bad Guys and the upcoming Puss in Boots Movie! Today, I talk a little bit about it, hope y'all enjoy as always!
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I think with the new style of animation, it actually allows each movie to diversify and be more distinct.
Into the Spider-Verse has a more superhero comic book artstyle like appearance, The Bad Guys has a slight epic "Western" look to it and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish looks like fairytale illustrations, especially ones that are PAINTED.
So the animators can just run wild since they do not need to bind themselves by the rules of photorealism and allow for zanier and more over-the-top styles.
I think it's also worth mentioning The Mitchell's Vs The Machines, which had a very painterly aesthetic to it's textures and backgrounds, and some very fun exaggerated character models and expressions along with heaps of 2D and hand drawn effects
This is what animation should be to me. Not the most “realistic”
I just hope they don’t overdo it. Because a style can become old very quick.
As long as its used tastefully
@@jackko21 Do we trust studios to be tasteful? 😅
It’s probably going to be noticeably overused at some point. Hopefully studios take in the fact that this animation worked for the films because of the universe it was in or story it was telling and not because people liked the animation. That’s the whole reason things like the trilogy of skylanders and disney infinity died off fast. The system of characters on a pedestal got so overused that it exhausted everyone’s interest in it.
@@geckozon6247 I honestly am starting to find it old already with the puss in boots movie and also apparently with the new TMNT movie I really hope every animated movie doesnt start trying to implement spiderverse's choppy style into their animation.
Same
We live in an era of multiple Companies Making their own cakes like with Disney there will be animation Dreamworks there is comedy' PIXAR Stories Sony with Unique animation and more
Dreamworks is more then just comedy dawg
The funny thing is, SpiderVerse came from Sony Pictures; THE STUDIOS WHO MADE *THE EMOJI MOVIE* !
Spiderverse is basically "We apologize for The Emoji Movie: The Movie"
And Hotel Transylvania
Puss in boots had some downright anime looking moments and I loved that about it. This animation style is awesome
You forget mention ARCANE in this, that also perfected the style in literally every way possible.
It’s not the spider-verse style. They look nothing alike Jesus. They had that style before spider-verse.
After just watching Spider-Man Into & Across The Spider-Verse 1 Billion times, I decided to go watch the other movies/series that took inspiration from the Spider-Verse. Mitchells Vs. The Machines, Arcane, The Bad Guys, Puss in Boots the last wish, TMNT Mutant Mayhem, all of these because of Spider-Verse. This just tells that you can have more freedom of storytelling and creativity and and let go of the past and into new creative brains!
I prefer the 2D-3D animation. It's giving old school 2D, feeling more cartoony, but modern af. Plus the three movies they used this animation on Spiderverse, Bad Guys and Puss in Boots 2, all are 🔥 movies on storytelling alone
I’m hoping they do the same for Kung Fu Panda 4
@@AdrianMarinMarinoESthe fight scenes would be amazing. I hope it's like those movies.
Speaking of Disney, they already did it with Paperman and are now working on an entire feature film using this style, only with more fluidity!
Where’d you hear that?
@@robindelorenzo1120 I looked up to a D23 presentation, Disney Animation announced WISH, a 2D-3D hybrid film that's out by Thanksgiving of 2023
@@gilangsetyawibawa185It was Wish,not Disney cruise ship,but an animated movie
I think animation turned too realistic. I like it. But i wanted see more stylish cartoonized style too
the animation of Arcane is like this, amazing style
I feel like new dreamworks animation look more cartoony than realistic like the old dreamworks.
Glad they're improving.
Spider man into the spider verse and the Mitchell's vs the mechanics are great movies with the animation, I also like bad guys and puss in boots 2
I feel like movies that have into the spider-Verse animation style becomes good movies and when I saw Mutant Mayhem it was good please do more animated films like this
Hybrid 3d 2d is now my cup of tea. Less is more they always say.
Bro SERIOUSLY IF THIS BECOMES THE NEW NORM I WILL DO A BACKFLIP
Animation become stronger once again
I hope Disney and Pixar _never_ do low-frame rate.
Probably not but Pixar has done weird jerky cartoon like movements before like Turning Red. Some people were not a fan of it while some people like myself liked it.
Low-frame rate makes for good fight scenes and character expression. You look at Miles from into Spider-verse and the low frame rate really helps sell the idea that he's a less experienced Spider-Man but also sells the fact that he's a different Spider-Man entirely, someone who can blossom if given the opportunity. Likewise, look at Puss in Boots and beginning fight between Puss and the giant. The low-frame rate makes Puss's run much more energetic and it looks so good. I hope Disney and Pixar find a way to use low-frame rate because if done correctly, it enhances character, action, background, etc.
Elio, Transformers One and Despicable Me 4 are in the Spider-Verse styles in 2024.
Don’t forget about the upcoming “Nimona” film coming out on Netflix in 2023. That’s gonna have a similar animation style to “Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse” too.
I'm so glad that someone revived it.
It’s not similar Jesus Christ. Spider-verse didn’t fucking invent stylized animation.
@@caylya7869 You ain’t wrong.
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 Then why the fuck did you use that phrase?
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 Did you forget stylized animation exist before those movies. Like why the fuck?
I’m about to go into an animation career and I really wanna use this style with my style of drawing.
Definitely! I hope your career goes well for you! 😁
@@Chillreviewer thanks a lot, I hope I do get to see my creations animated with such a beautiful style
If you have seen the anime series Land of the Lustrous, you can see how far this style can be stretched. Long story short, the studio behind that series managed to animate the refractions and reflections the hair and eyes of anthropomorphized rocks. And they kept the refractive indices close to actual ones in the real world.
I now have thought of something just imagine an animated work with the style of animation of stuff akin to Spider-Verse, Bad Guys, Mitchells and Puss in Boots combined with the squash and stretch and cartoony animation utilised by Cloudy and Hotel Transylvania then mash em together and you get what is essentially a 2.5d looney tunes esque work
don't wanna ruin this for you, but there were older exaples than Paperman that used a 3d-2d hybrid. Even yet, there were other animations that used this 3d-2d hybrid style AND the low framerate thing! The one i have in mind is a series called "Angelo Rules", which started it's runtime in 2010! what's more, is this art style was also prevelent in Hollywood movies too before Spiderverse! one of the exaples is The Peanuts Movie from 2015. It looks like it's a typical case of "largely diffrent people having the same idea, just some years before the other" as my theory is that Phil Lord and Chris Miller, directors of Spiderverse, took their experience from The Lego Movie and had the same idea as these other cartoonists/filmmakers, add 2d elements to a CGi cartoon. So i wouldn't say Spiderverse invented it, more like popularized it.
I want Sonic movie with Spider verse animation.
The sonic movies already make their antromorphic characters not looking too realistic. Making them comic book-esque style is not suitable. Plus it would make the style overrated or used too much.
If you are planning to watch any movies in the animation style like this, you don't have to watch it in theaters when have a feeling that you're going to have seizures by the flashing colors.
İ love stylized 3d animation and İ'm excited about spiderverse 2
Yes yes yes!!!
Disney and Pixar will have to step up and conform somewhat to this, even if they wish to avoid it. Photo-realistic graphics has a limitation as there's always something better down the line and then it'll just look dated.
It also severely limits the ways that a story can be told since the more realistic something looks the more our brains will protest when it moves differently from how something that looks realistic would. Photo-realistic graphics hit the Uncanny Valley extremely fast, and with a stylized style, it can also visually support the narrative.
For example, the style chosen is noir. The design sees every character being lanky and the shadows are all deep and long. That would look so dope in animation. In a live-action movie, it would just look silly. An example of this is the live-action version of Battle Angel Alita. I know it's a rather decent anime adaptation and all that I can remember are those stupid-looking anime eyes that was CGI'ed in.
I love these new comic animated movies like these style of animation
teenage mutant ninja turtles is gonna have the same style!!!
Yes yes yes 2.5D Cg Stylized Animation Is The Future Please Please Please!
I hope kp 4 is using the spider verse style
can you name the films that you show?
I was mentioning about Entergalactic and The Mitchells V.S. The Machines?? Because it was so diverse and unique that are so much more!!
0:03 to 0:08 1 of the worst things that has EVER happened in the human history/world history! 😭💔
Really wanted to like Into the Spider-Verse but couldn't finish it because of the awful frame rate in Miles Morales' animation. How can lower frame rates and choppy animation be considered a major leap forward in artistic style? Anime does it because it's cheaper, and when anime studios want to show off and splurge they make the animation MORE fluid. Not less! I feel like i'm taking crazy pills.
Low-frame rate can make for good fight scenes and character expression. You look at Miles in into Spider-verse and the low frame rate really helps sell the idea that he's a less experienced Spider-Man but also sells the fact that he's a different Spider-Man entirely, in contrast to the more experienced spider-people, someone who can blossom if given the opportunity. Likewise, look at Puss in Boots in the beginning fight between Puss and the giant. The low-frame rate makes Puss's run much more energetic, the fight seems feel less weighed down by physics and more wild and on-acid (that's the intent at least) low-frame rate if done correctly, can enhances character, action, background, etc. Anyways some people like it some don't but everyone's entitled to their opinions. 👍🏾
@@Chillreviewer Thank you for letting me have an opinion, i guess? Look, everything you said might be true, but it feels like something some film analyst said and everyone is regurgitating it. I doubt many sat in the cinema thinking "Ah yes, this really helps sell the idea that he's a less experienced Spider-Man and the fact that he's a different Spider-Man entirely."
If low frame-rates makes for good action cinema, perhaps the idea would have been even more emphasised if Spider-Man had been swinging around at 1f/s?
And btw, nothing in your answer was a direct response to what i wrote in my first post.
Claiming that something that japanese animations studios do to cut cost is some new form of artistic expression... I call bs.
@@monsterlair I agree with you 100 percent. The amount of people praising spider verse is insane and I feel like I'm the only one with a negative opinion on this style of animation. Every says the same "it's art" argument but by that logic, art is subjective and about perspective, therefore it is valid for me to say that this style is not visually appealing to me. I also don't understand why you can just slap "art" next to someone and people will flock to it like it's the second coming of Christ. I don't understand why people like this style for having a lack of frames, which seems so backwards - I've never looked at an online game when the server lags and been like "oh wow look how beautiful that looks!"
@@evanbritcher3941 Thank you Evan.
@@evanbritcher3941 This is where I have to barge in, needing to separate from what the movie experience is to the gaming experience.
For sure, we cannot have the choppy frames in our games! Uh... have you ever bothered playing Scarlet & Violet? But for movies, it's completely different. We were never meant to interact with the movies we watch. We're just spectators, audiences.
As to why I love this Spiderverse animation style, I won't create an echo-chamber of repeating the same thing the producers said, but this is how I'll say what my impression is:
When they decide to drop frame rates, it is for sure out of artistic intent, not primarily to save production costs. How? "Choppier animation" tends to stick key poses a lot better in our brain. Because they halt in our screens a little longer, it makes them seem impacting. And what happens when those impacting key poses is all the movement we see play out for our animated object in our screen? It makes the scenes play out way more striking and bolder!
Smoother animation often unintentionally washes out the supposed striking poses due to blur effects and the continuous movement of frames that is also grabbing our attention to go "WOW! Look how smooth that is!", unless if the character has intentionally been animated to literally pause their pose on-screen for dramatic effect.
I would also theorize that the movie producers behind Spiderverse understand the appeal behind limited key frames in animation done in a TV series with limited budget, and they took advantage of it in their film regardless if it seems unnecessary. This is what's called artistic liberty. They know the rules in order to bend them.
This is why people loved the Spiderverse animation first BEFORE they collectively remember it as a sensation. And that animation style cannot become a sensation if it was first being hated upon 1st viewing.
I would also rather argue that the reason why TV series excel better with "choppier animation" is simply due to expectations. When TV series suddenly go smooth we don't see often, that instantly becomes a sensation. But in the movies, higher frame rate is what's expected here, and the play on frame rates is one of the ways Spiderverse wowed the world.
So, when we analyzing these comparisons carefully, animations done either "choppy" or " smooth" exists technically as something that is purely neutral when you think about it. It is our expectations placed upon TV series and movies that colors what makes either one of these techniques stands out when they make its mark. If we watch Spiderverse not knowing if it was a TV series or a movie, for sure the "choppy animation" won't stir our minds too much that we're seeing novelty.
But we're just talking about animation here. Not yet the artstyle. And that's a whole diffetent topic to expound at length in a different place and time.
Hope this reply is a new insightful take to you in some shape or form.
I miss when we had diversity in animation with each style and story having its own unique and we have so many beautiful styles I don’t understand why animation for 20 years ago is now obsolete. It’s so stupid like I want more difference
This Awesome Style Deserves To Be In Another Ice Age Movie & Another Hotel Transylvania Movie, I Hope Disney, Pixar, Illumination Or Any Animation Studio Would Use This Style, Should Have Been Used For
Other Better Films, Even Bad Animated Movies Getting A Redemption Arc, Illumination Should Use It For A Fully Computer Animated Fifty Shades Of Grey Movie.
Bro Toy Story 1 Looks better than miles morales 1 and 2 and that new teenage mutant ninja turtles
Sony was mocked for its animated movies. Sony took it as a chance to grow, came back victorious and the studios that in the past made fun of it now want to follow its method. What an inpsirational story of personal growth.
It’s not the the spider-verse style, Jesus. It’s stylized cg which has been done even before spider-verse.
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its Sony's animation style but Dreamworks wants to copy it and is overdoing it
Overdoing? What?
They’ve done fucking stylized animation movie.
If they force to do spiderverse animation style on each animation they will definitely ruin it's essence as they done with puss in boots,,,
No they didnt, Puss in Boots, kitty softpaws and those characters look much better in this movie.
Spider-verse didn’t invent style.
I can’t watch you new video because it’s blocked in my country and I live in Canada that’s stupid it’s the one with puss in boots video
Yeah sorry about that's Universal came and took down all of the puss in boot vids 😑
@@Chillreviewer oh that’s pretty stupid
I don't really like the fps in spider verse. It ruined my experience tbh.
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Yeah, now they're all doing the Spider-verse look. Kind of cringe.
It worked in spiderman into the spiderverse but personally I hated the art style in puss in boots: the last wish.
I hope not. It looks awful and I don't know why people like it.