Maybe that's an example of a more general theorem that I'm gonna call the LPL-theorem: The more difficult a lock is to pick, the higher the probability that a specialized tool has been developed to pick it." LPL is this case stands for "lowest probability lock"
when these showed up here in Brazil about the year 2000 the car vendors used to say that no one could pick those locks... they only lasted for 1 generation of ford cars and then ford switched back to standard locks, the vendors said it was because they were too expensive to make. Thanks for showing me the truth about them.
Discovered you while I was stuck for FOUR HOURS waiting on a tow truck from AAA. The truck never came, but I called a 24/7 locksmith who was more than happy to pick my car open. I’ve been watching for the past few weeks since then, and enjoy your commentary and knowledge on locks very much. Thank you and keep up the good work! Can’t wait to see video #1000!!
interesting fact on this lock is that any "Tibbe" key will lock the car, but only the original key will open it, real pain if you have 2 Fords but only 1 set of keys seen it happen many times where Tradesmen lock the firms van with their car key. Then see that the key is in the ingition and the spare set is at a HQ 100 miles away.
Actually, you can lock it with just regular flat head screwdriver.. Also, keys are much much softer than plates in lock itself and they worn out relatively quckly. IIRC, plates aren't very special, for unlocking, whem they align, small pin allows barrel to turn, and for locking direction, barrel turns freely
Also if you use the Tibbe on a very worn ford lock, the tibb goes in fine, its just getting it out again. It can get caught up and jamb on its removal. So beware, don't insert it when the daylight hours are fading fast for the first time, give yourself plenty of time if this should happen as it did to me. Ended up removing the whole barrel to remove the Tibbe. See my video on how to remove a Ford Connect barrel. czcams.com/video/uN5af2DRJoY/video.html
I am not a lock enthusiast, but I love these videos. What amazes me is how all of these manufacturers have utterly failed in innovating lock systems to be at least a little more challenging to pick. Surely there are ways to make locks more secure!!! After watching these videos I have a very different perspective on locks in general. It make me realize just how unsecure all my stuff is. Thank you, because it is better to know than have a false sense of security.
Thank you so much!!! My girlfriend lost the key to her fiesta and had the spare in her handbag in the car.... Don't ask. One of these tools next day from amazon was £30 and it too less than 30 seconds thanks to your video. I was looking at prices to have some one do this and it was £250-300. Thanks again and keep picking!!!
Ive stripped and rebuilt these locks many many times. With a little practice you can read the key number just by looking at the key. Thanks for the vid.
Just an observation, most companies that use vehicles with this type of cylinder, install secondary deadlocks in the doors and an immobiliser. In many cases it's an insurance requirement. Only a few weeks ago a neighbour had their van and tools driven off their driveway. Apparently a tracker was secretly installed in the vehicle by dubious service technicians, who then tracked the van back to his home. Good video!
Got my Fiesta stolen 4 times with this "amazing thing"... At the end of the metal core there was a white-ish plastic part where the electric wires from ignition come. The thiefs have just to detach the plastic part from the core and put a screwdriver inside to start the car... No need for lockpicking skills or tools. That was my first car and i really liked it alot (apart from the lack of security). I had to put an electronic immobilizer to stop the thefts.
I believe the Merkur Scorpio used that same key. I was completely obsessed with keys and would go to hardware stores and collect miscuts. Love your videos.
Fun fact: you can use any Tibbe key to open the bonnet release, fuel door and also to lock (although not unlock) the driver's door on any Ford that utilizes this type of key.
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Great video. I learned to read the Ford tibbe key 🗝 when I was around 10 years old. A family friend used to repair and trade fords and I found it fascinating. Very interesting tool... 👀
My dad had an interesting story about this type of key: He wanted to buy a Jaguar XJ some years ago, a deal her had three of them, all different colours. The dealer was on the phone when my dad asked for the keys to look at one, the dealer handed him the keys but didn't tell him which one they opened. Fortunately it opened the one my dad was interested in. Unfortunately it also opened the other two 😅 We were also part of a kit car club where the donor cars were Sierra's. We've seen those things started with spoons and even a lollipop stick (though that one took some doing!)
Another fun fact, the old VB/VC Commodores here in Australia had like 3 different key designs.. meaning as long as you swiped 1 key, there was a 33% chance it would open and start any other commodore of the same era. My TAFE (tertiary college) teacher once did that by accident, unlocked, climbed in and started his car and was about to leave the shopping centre when he realized it wasn't actually his car.. he had parked a few spots over.
Thing with the '80s fords (pre PATS) is the tibbe locks weren't even the weakest link. Ever heard of "snapped n capped"? Basically the steering locks were cheese so just turn the steering hard enough and it'd break off, then pull the column casing and unclip the "cap" (ignition switch) from the back of the barrel, insert tool of choice and drive away in your new ford... Vauxhalls weren't as bad but nearly, Rover at least required the cap to be unscrewed once you'd twisted the barrel off the column but PSA Peugeot/Citroen... I lost the keys to my 205 and I can tell you I feel safer leaving an old pug out at night without an immobiliser than anything else.
glad I found this again. I just opened up a ford transit using this tool. I just "played" with it for a bit and then got it open. I took notes from your video and will have them with this tool. thank you
I have to say this tool is amazing I used it this morning after watching this video a few months ago I got the key from eBay I can’t believe how easy it was then again anything is easy when you have a cheat sheet thanks to you LPL!
There have been a whole bunch of tools for the tibbe but this one is without doubt my favourite. The concentric tube thing is so beautiful and I shamelessly ripped it off on one my disc detainer tools.
Love your videos lawyer,you make them so a ordinary person can understand.you don't belittle trying to make yourself look like a magician,you break down the task wonderfully.you should have been a teacher..really appreciate your videos about lock picking,learned so much already..
I own a 97 Jaguar xj12, and i lost my key with a lanyard, and i'm so glad i was browsing your videos, and found your use of this tool. I'd like to get these replaced with the bowley rotasera, and I have some coming soon for my prototyping for an adapted lock body out of ar500 hopefully.
I have one of these tools. Let me tell you , do NOT put this in an ignition lock. It picks really easy, i was very suprised , much faster than the door locks. BUT: it is nearly impossible to get the tool out again. There is a spring pushing agains the back of the lock , if it's installed. This spring pressure makes it difficult to get the tool out again.
I'm from South America and those locks are common in every ford vehicle here. You might get inside the car with that tool but can't start it as the original key has a transponder chip embedded.
In the uk if you saw someone's key you could quickly and quite simply count the key, pop down to the local ford dealership and see the bent bloke in the parts department and have one cut from the numbers all for just small fee.
Just to get this message across there is a CZcamsr by the name of Justin Hall that uses one of your videos titled "[370] The WORST Bike Lock in the World Picked and Bypassed" without your consent published on May 7, 2017 and claiming it as his own.
I'll tell ya mate, Australians will tell you that a $2 flat head screwdriver and a hammer makes it a 5 second job. Plus Australian Ford Falcons from the 1991? Model EA to the 2005 BF MK2 are all the same key, 2000 and on were transponder chipped. Source: had three previous cars stolen, all the same car lol 😂
You can bypass the engine immobiliser by cutting and shorting the brown wires on the BCU (from memory), the computer the sits on the transmission tunnel... I lost my key to my EL XR6 that I am converting to a race car, so I gutted the lock and shorted the brown wire, so now it starts with a screwdriver. The transponder is at the back of the lock barrel, not in the key.
@@falconpowerful2362 there's a small chip that interacts with the transponder, this chip is embedded in the plastic key handle. I broke the plastic bit off a key by accident, and the chip fell out. Made a new key handle out of wood, glued the chip inside and it worked. Chip had to be somewhere near the ignition lock or the immobilizer activated.
I’ve just found this video. I had a tibbie pick when working as a roadside breakdown mechanic. By far one of the fastest picks I used, along with a HU66 rake! Some locks even opened when checking for a number 4!
These keys/ locks are popular for keeping your fuel tank closed forever. I remember several times trying to open fuel tank doors of Fiestas and Transits at the gas station in the late 90s. Once the owner of the gas station hat to help me with some pliers he stores especially for Fords. Since then i avoid any Ford, got no time for such hassle.
In europe ford have moved on with their locks. They went to a laser key 10 cuts 2 tracks external. The latest lock is 10 cuts internal track, implemented on 2017 models.
I've had one of these for years but precious few locks to actually practice on.. I never realised you could tension from anything but the lowest one.. this would perhaps explain my lack of success :P Thanks LockPickingLawyer!
I worked for Ford in UK and have rebuilt many of these locks. The more difficult one i found to rebuild was the Chubb version on son Transits. Yes the key numbers can be determined from the bevel cuts very easy to read
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I can verify that these DID in fact make it to the US on the transit vans. I know this because I used to work at a private auto auction here in the SF bay area. I remember when I first saw it I thought it was a funny little thing, and sure enough every single transit had them. Thank you for the great content over the many years! looking forward to what comes out next!
Not only past the 70s, but some very iconic variants too. Possibly the best known to the world is the Mad Max Interceptor - based on the "XB" Falcon hardtop. More recently, the "barra" straight 6 from the last few models they made in the 2000s remains a favourite of engine enthusiasts to this day. I think the "Falcon" ended up being one of the longest running names Ford has ever had, and given it never had a "clean sheet" design, it can be argued to be the longest running "platform" Ford ever had too.
There’s a funny clip from top gear where Jeremy Clarkson had a thief break into an old transit with one of these locks, all it took was 10 seconds a flat head screw driver and a hammer
I remember when Ford released these locks, organised criminals worked out a design issue. Half a tennis ball and whack against the lock, causing a rush of air in to the lock, pushing the pins, and opening the lock. So many Ford Transits where stolen that Ford had to design version two, it had air holes. Ford had to do a recall and change version one locks.
Ahhhh that brings back memories! I had those keys on two Escorts and a Fiesta. I had a two litre black escort that I adored, and a red 1.4 which had a different key for each lock. Oh the nostalgia 🤣
different key for each lock added security, as supplied the key number was stamped on the boot lock, tear out the boot lock and order a key from the dealership, come back, steal car.
Many criminals don't even bother with locks, instead they do the peel and steal.. they literally use their body weight to bend the side door and look if there is anything worth stealing. watch the video here www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-39744644
My brother in law used to work for Ford and could get into any ford with this type of lock with nothing but a flat headed screwdriver. Its more to do with the poor build quality of the locks themselves thank his own skill. I will add that the ignition barrels like this one, might be slightly better quality but, if you have one ford key of this type, you'd be amazed at how many other fords you'll be able to gain entry to with that one key, regardless of its shape.
I remember newspaper articles back when Sierra and Granada/Scorpio were popular here in Sweden... More than once, someone got out of the grocery store, got into "their" car and started it... and then realized that "wait.. why is the seat all wrong? And what's that stuff lying in the passenger seat? Uh... this... isn't my car???"
This tool is very visually appealing. Even a complete novice can see exactly what's going on (and could probably figure out how to use it just based on what you said about looking for the spot with the widest range of movement) More lockpicking tools should be like this.
This is what the police suggested was used to get into my work van. They stole all my tools quickly and quietly. Ford know how easy it is to break into their vans yet continue to sell new vans with rubbish locks, it's a disgrace. They want you to pay extra to secure your contents with better locks which should be fitted as standard!! Thanks for the demo and shame on you Ford!
@@Zractor If someone wants inside your vehicle bad enough it doesn't matter the quality of lock that's put on the outside, it still has easily breakable windows.
I am an automotive locksmith in the UK. These Tibbe locks are absolutely garbage! If ever a lick was not fit for purpose it was the Tibbe system. Vehicle crime in the UK is a massive problem and it's mainly thanks to this useless Tibbe key system!
I assume that all the locks on the van will be the same, so starting the van isn't the point. You get access to the boot/trunk and steal anything inside. Happens a lot, as far as I know most tradesmen install secondary locks, or leave their vans empty overnight if possible because of this fucking lock.
Hobgoblinpie 2 in the UK the Ford Transit has only 1 lick on the drivers door. Double twisting the key electronically unlocks all doors including the rear cargo area. Thieves simply empty the van in silence. Even better news for the thieves is, if there's a factory fitted alarm system on the van, this is also deactivated via the driver door lock!! Nice idea Ford! 😉
Jaguar is 8 discs. Iam glad to see this tool again. Really easy tool to use. They reckon on ukls forum don't like this tool used. Because of trade mans vans tools getting stolen. But a thin screw driver opening them in seconds. lol.
Previously in the UK they used a lock based on the AVA design, though looking like disc detainer it was actually a wafer lock as used in CHUBB padlocks. It had the slight downside that it only worked in one direction, thus whilst you needed the correct key to open it, any key would lock it. The other problem was that the wafers stretched slightly in use, the more they stretched the stiffer the lock became and the more force you needed to apply, which stretched the wafers more, til the lock jammed completely. Ford would sell you a new lock and key, but then you'd have odd keys for your car. There was a 'dealer only' lock rebuild kit, which I managed to get my local Ford dealer to sell me on a 'no returns, don't hassle us if you can't do it' basis. I rebuilt my Escort drivers side lock. I fettled it til it was really slick. Nice lock.
Fun story: I was once changing the fuses on my 91 ford sierra and the power locks closed the car with the keys inside (my fault, dumb move) Anyways I used a flat head screwdriver on the passenger side and it opened the car str8 away no problem 😂 These keys are so unsafe, a friend of mine can use their Transit keys to open my car and I can use mine to close his van ..
Actually all Ford Transit van have these locks and at least until the last generation you don’t need to pick the outside locks, you can open the van by grabbing and turning the entire lock like the key would be turned. 😅
He does say that the falcon has it, might grab one of those picks for my ol xr6t it looks really good for if I lock myself out of my car, I only have one key for it, dropped the other down a drain (whoops)
Had one of these for our family car growing up (ford falcon in Australia) and after watching gone in 60 seconds looking at the key and thinking, man this looks easy to pick. I guess I was right and wrong, but with the right tool this looks easy. Did somehow also open a commodore boot with the blade of my little Swiss Army knife.
I'd rather the fuckers did this to my Sprinter then cut a hole above the lock on the rear door to unlock it from the inside. Funny thing is the van was empty since I'm a courier, I suspect they confused my van for a neighbour's one who happens to be a plumber.
"However..." I have learned 3 things from your videos... you know a LOT about locks, you are a lock picking savant, and the saying that NOTHING is safe, is true
The BF models were the last to use this lock system. So, 2008 or thereabouts. Also, This will only get into the car. To start requires communication with a chip in the key handle.
1988 through to around 1994 (EF?) the security system is only checking the correct lock barrel is plugged into the harness, ie the crook hasn't plugged another ignition lock into the cars wiring. They didn't have chipped keys.
@@Tedd755 I own a BF falcon and i can assure you that tibbe was used from late EA to BA. BF, FG and FGX have a different style of key more similar to a commodore than earlier ford tibbe or wafer locks.
Dude. This is creepy. I was about to comment this on your latest video because I think these keys are so fascinating and I find this video!! Keep up the great work
Was also on the Orion , ka , Mondeo , the big original transit right up to 2013. And some jaguars as you said had that key too in Europe also before the pick thief’s used to knock a hole above the lock and lever the arm or simply bash the lock in with a hammer and push the locking arm with a finger, many many sierras were stolen like that
See, I have one of the best anti-theft devices: a car that looks like it's on it's last legs with nothing worth stealing (the radio has a cassette player!). It looks like it might not run at all, though the engine is actually very good. But it looks like the kind of car you'd have to pay a thief to steal. (There aren't even any worthwhile parts on this car since the manufacturer is no longer in operation and the parts are no longer used except on these cars. I've had to rig a few replacements with generic GM parts because my part was not available)
Great video.👏👍 It would be nice to have one of these types of tools for other disc detainer locks, but most cheap Chinese DD locks don't have false gates. It Would help with positioning each of the discs as far as spacing is concerned.
Might be a fancy lock mechanism but a hammer and a screwdriver will open a Tibbe lock in 3 seconds flat. Fun fact, I had heard you can use a Tibbe key to lock (but obviously not unlock) any Tibbe lock. I put this to the test when my co-worker forgot to lock her car. We both had Fords. Worked a charm.
Many more disks, with many more possible cut angles on an Abloy. Also the false gates on a Protec feel exactly like the real one under tension. (to me anyway)... So being unable to feel "the right one" forces you to try all of them. All two billion possible combinations ... There IS an exploit for some protecs where you just punch out the disk stack though.
Protec has a key guiding element which also restricts the movement of lockpicks. And don"t forget about Disc Blocking System, which prevents tumblers from turning before sidebar can even touch them! So, you can firstly enter the keycode and secondly compare it to that which the cylinder has inside it, but you can't do these 2 procedures at the same time to use them for lockpicking which is possible in the majority of other locks
The jag ones have one or two extra disc's in the barrel, i'm in uk and these locks were ok, once they worn a bit a worn key could open them with the jiggle style attack, but the lock was not the security flaw to the eu fords, they way they were fitted you only had to make the whole lock move slighty and it operated the mechanism to unlock, do it in the reverse way and it locked the door with no visible damage, also found that any ford tibbe key regardless of cut will lock one of these locks
Falcon is/was NOT a European car ;) it WAS an American car, which Ford Australia initially just borrowed and converted to RHD, but then ended up designing from the ground up and just keeping the badge/name. FUN FACT about the Ford Tibbe keys (at least in Australian Falcons, not a clue about Euro trash) EVERY SINGLE Falcon Tibbe key will fit ANY Falcon Tibbe door lock.......BUT! it will ONLY lock the lock, NOT unlock it and it will not fit the ignition. This resulted in MANY people finding their car locked with their key in the ignition because they had an asshole friend who thinks he is funny :D luckily it only takes a few seconds to break in to a Ford :P
It's really funny that this video was recommended to me since I was just thinking the other day about whether you could "pick" an ignition as you would a door lock. Kind of spooky since I didn't even say it aloud or search it anywhere though....
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In addition to this lock Jaguar has another security device : half the time your Jag isn't going to run.
Charlie Harper 🤣🤣🤣👌
This deserves to be the most upvoted comment on youtube
Jags switched to a 7 system rather than a 6 but of the tibbe area where Fords under the skin anyway
Charlie Harper not true. A jag will run until you hit a bump to hard then is suddenly dies.
LOL my old Buick had that same security feature.
LPL: This lock looks really hard to pick.
Also LPL: *Pulls out the one and only tool that would demolish the lock*
Maybe that's an example of a more general theorem that I'm gonna call the LPL-theorem: The more difficult a lock is to pick, the higher the probability that a specialized tool has been developed to pick it." LPL is this case stands for "lowest probability lock"
when these showed up here in Brazil about the year 2000 the car vendors used to say that no one could pick those locks... they only lasted for 1 generation of ford cars and then ford switched back to standard locks, the vendors said it was because they were too expensive to make. Thanks for showing me the truth about them.
Discovered you while I was stuck for FOUR HOURS waiting on a tow truck from AAA. The truck never came, but I called a 24/7 locksmith who was more than happy to pick my car open. I’ve been watching for the past few weeks since then, and enjoy your commentary and knowledge on locks very much. Thank you and keep up the good work! Can’t wait to see video #1000!!
every time I watch one of your video I feel a little bit less safe hehehe wow ! Good video !
Lol, Nothing like a touch of reality to scare the dickens out of you. 😳
I am inside your home
thanks lock
picking lawyer
Hehehe, I’m in danger
interesting fact on this lock is that any "Tibbe" key will lock the car, but only the original key will open it, real pain if you have 2 Fords but only 1 set of keys seen it happen many times where Tradesmen lock the firms van with their car key. Then see that the key is in the ingition and the spare set is at a HQ 100 miles away.
I did know that, but never thought of the practical issues it could cause! Thanks. Fwiw, this makes for some very oddly shaped discs.
petercar96+ You get a similar effect when the lock is worn out, you can lock your car but not unlock it.
This exact situation happened to me. 250 miles miles to be exact
Actually, you can lock it with just regular flat head screwdriver.. Also, keys are much much softer than plates in lock itself and they worn out relatively quckly. IIRC, plates aren't very special, for unlocking, whem they align, small pin allows barrel to turn, and for locking direction, barrel turns freely
Also if you use the Tibbe on a very worn ford lock, the tibb goes in fine, its just getting it out again. It can get caught up and jamb on its removal.
So beware, don't insert it when the daylight hours are fading fast for the first time, give yourself plenty of time if this should happen as it did to me.
Ended up removing the whole barrel to remove the Tibbe.
See my video on how to remove a Ford Connect barrel.
czcams.com/video/uN5af2DRJoY/video.html
I am not a lock enthusiast, but I love these videos. What amazes me is how all of these manufacturers have utterly failed in innovating lock systems to be at least a little more challenging to pick. Surely there are ways to make locks more secure!!! After watching these videos I have a very different perspective on locks in general. It make me realize just how unsecure all my stuff is. Thank you, because it is better to know than have a false sense of security.
Thank you so much!!! My girlfriend lost the key to her fiesta and had the spare in her handbag in the car.... Don't ask. One of these tools next day from amazon was £30 and it too less than 30 seconds thanks to your video. I was looking at prices to have some one do this and it was £250-300. Thanks again and keep picking!!!
Ive stripped and rebuilt these locks many many times. With a little practice you can read the key number just by looking at the key. Thanks for the vid.
Thats true of any key
Not if they are really worn.
Just an observation, most companies that use vehicles with this type of cylinder, install secondary deadlocks in the doors and an immobiliser. In many cases it's an insurance requirement. Only a few weeks ago a neighbour had their van and tools driven off their driveway. Apparently a tracker was secretly installed in the vehicle by dubious service technicians, who then tracked the van back to his home. Good video!
Modern Leveller where they found the thief and hid hammers in his skull and chest cavity
Indeed. I had "Slick Locks" pad locks on all my cargo area doors.
Negative. We have 1 key to the ignition , all doors, and fuel door.
Your channel has definitely become one of my top five on CZcams for the year. Thanks for keeping me entertained
Got my Fiesta stolen 4 times with this "amazing thing"... At the end of the metal core there was a white-ish plastic part where the electric wires from ignition come. The thiefs have just to detach the plastic part from the core and put a screwdriver inside to start the car... No need for lockpicking skills or tools. That was my first car and i really liked it alot (apart from the lack of security). I had to put an electronic immobilizer to stop the thefts.
I believe the Merkur Scorpio used that same key. I was completely obsessed with keys and would go to hardware stores and collect miscuts. Love your videos.
Fun fact: you can use any Tibbe key to open the bonnet release, fuel door and also to lock (although not unlock) the driver's door on any Ford that utilizes this type of key.
Fun fact: My Tibbe bonnet release key doesn`t fit my ignition , nor does it fit my fuel cap or lock my drivers door. Hence, i have 2 keys.
Is it a fun fact as it's not fully true ?
@@StormTrouper3
fun:
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enjoyment, amusement, or light-hearted pleasure
fact:
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a thing that is known or proved to be true.
bulls*it:
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stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
So it should be considered a bull-fact that all keys open all bonnet's. 👍
@@StormTrouper3 No
Great video. I learned to read the Ford tibbe key 🗝 when I was around 10 years old. A family friend used to repair and trade fords and I found it fascinating. Very interesting tool... 👀
Your videos are such great material for commercial tow truck drivers and law enforcement officials. Fascinating.
Great demo. Wasn't sure on how these worked til now. Cheers
My dad had an interesting story about this type of key:
He wanted to buy a Jaguar XJ some years ago, a deal her had three of them, all different colours. The dealer was on the phone when my dad asked for the keys to look at one, the dealer handed him the keys but didn't tell him which one they opened.
Fortunately it opened the one my dad was interested in. Unfortunately it also opened the other two 😅
We were also part of a kit car club where the donor cars were Sierra's. We've seen those things started with spoons and even a lollipop stick (though that one took some doing!)
Jack Mellors that’s how most people got their cosworths back in the day
Another fun fact, the old VB/VC Commodores here in Australia had like 3 different key designs.. meaning as long as you swiped 1 key, there was a 33% chance it would open and start any other commodore of the same era.
My TAFE (tertiary college) teacher once did that by accident, unlocked, climbed in and started his car and was about to leave the shopping centre when he realized it wasn't actually his car.. he had parked a few spots over.
Thing with the '80s fords (pre PATS) is the tibbe locks weren't even the weakest link. Ever heard of "snapped n capped"? Basically the steering locks were cheese so just turn the steering hard enough and it'd break off, then pull the column casing and unclip the "cap" (ignition switch) from the back of the barrel, insert tool of choice and drive away in your new ford... Vauxhalls weren't as bad but nearly, Rover at least required the cap to be unscrewed once you'd twisted the barrel off the column but PSA Peugeot/Citroen... I lost the keys to my 205 and I can tell you I feel safer leaving an old pug out at night without an immobiliser than anything else.
glad I found this again. I just opened up a ford transit using this tool. I just "played" with it for a bit and then got it open. I took notes from your video and will have them with this tool. thank you
I have to say this tool is amazing I used it this morning after watching this video a few months ago I got the key from eBay I can’t believe how easy it was then again anything is easy when you have a cheat sheet thanks to you LPL!
There have been a whole bunch of tools for the tibbe but this one is without doubt my favourite. The concentric tube thing is so beautiful and I shamelessly ripped it off on one my disc detainer tools.
It reminds me of russian babushka dolls inside eachother
Yes, we have a transit connect, 1st model they offered in US and it has this design
Love your videos lawyer,you make them so a ordinary person can understand.you don't belittle trying to make yourself look like a magician,you break down the task wonderfully.you should have been a teacher..really appreciate your videos about lock picking,learned so much already..
I own a 97 Jaguar xj12, and i lost my key with a lanyard, and i'm so glad i was browsing your videos, and found your use of this tool. I'd like to get these replaced with the bowley rotasera, and I have some coming soon for my prototyping for an adapted lock body out of ar500 hopefully.
I have one of these tools.
Let me tell you , do NOT put this in an ignition lock. It picks really easy, i was very suprised , much faster than the door locks. BUT: it is nearly impossible to get the tool out again.
There is a spring pushing agains the back of the lock , if it's installed. This spring pressure makes it difficult to get the tool out again.
True!
Jon Roe try Aliexpress, Banggood or Amazon.
It gets stuck on the dust cap on the way out, just put a pick in to push it across and the tool will slide out easily,
Moron
Jack Boden no need to be rude. Anyway, it’s the spring that’s the problem, not the dust cap. Learn to read 😆
I'm from South America and those locks are common in every ford vehicle here.
You might get inside the car with that tool but can't start it as the original key has a transponder chip embedded.
In the uk if you saw someone's key you could quickly and quite simply count the key, pop down to the local ford dealership and see the bent bloke in the parts department and have one cut from the numbers all for just small fee.
I had those same keys on my wonderful '94 Fiesta. Brings me back a lot of memories.
My old company always used those Transit vans. The look on my boss's face after showing him this vid, was classic. Thanks bruddha! 😆
Just to get this message across there is a CZcamsr by the name of Justin Hall that uses one of your videos titled "[370] The WORST Bike Lock in the World Picked and Bypassed" without your consent published on May 7, 2017 and claiming it as his own.
Unfortunately that goes on a lot on CZcams. Losers trying to benefit from the skills and hard work from legitimate craftsmen and trade artists. Sad!
Mark England I think lpl is a hobbyist.
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this person too
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Roush never take on a lawyer
I'll tell ya mate, Australians will tell you that a $2 flat head screwdriver and a hammer makes it a 5 second job.
Plus Australian Ford Falcons from the 1991? Model EA to the 2005 BF MK2 are all the same key, 2000 and on were transponder chipped.
Source: had three previous cars stolen, all the same car lol 😂
You can bypass the engine immobiliser by cutting and shorting the brown wires on the BCU (from memory), the computer the sits on the transmission tunnel...
I lost my key to my EL XR6 that I am converting to a race car, so I gutted the lock and shorted the brown wire, so now it starts with a screwdriver.
The transponder is at the back of the lock barrel, not in the key.
The dipstick works as well. When your falcon gets stolen there is always another one nearby with no petrol and a missing dipstick.
@@falconpowerful2362 there's a small chip that interacts with the transponder, this chip is embedded in the plastic key handle.
I broke the plastic bit off a key by accident, and the chip fell out. Made a new key handle out of wood, glued the chip inside and it worked. Chip had to be somewhere near the ignition lock or the immobilizer activated.
Bf mk2 was 2006 mate
@@Kaboomf Or taxis normally had spare keys in the shroud next to the transponder, and give the drivers just the key with no chip as it was cheaper.
I’ve just found this video. I had a tibbie pick when working as a roadside breakdown mechanic. By far one of the fastest picks I used, along with a HU66 rake! Some locks even opened when checking for a number 4!
These keys/ locks are popular for keeping your fuel tank closed forever. I remember several times trying to open fuel tank doors of Fiestas and Transits at the gas station in the late 90s. Once the owner of the gas station hat to help me with some pliers he stores especially for Fords. Since then i avoid any Ford, got no time for such hassle.
In europe ford have moved on with their locks. They went to a laser key 10 cuts 2 tracks external. The latest lock is 10 cuts internal track, implemented on 2017 models.
I've had one of these for years but precious few locks to actually practice on.. I never realised you could tension from anything but the lowest one.. this would perhaps explain my lack of success :P Thanks LockPickingLawyer!
I worked for Ford in UK and have rebuilt many of these locks. The more difficult one i found to rebuild was the Chubb version on son Transits. Yes the key numbers can be determined from the bevel cuts very easy to read
I know I'm a little late to the party, but I can verify that these DID in fact make it to the US on the transit vans. I know this because I used to work at a private auto auction here in the SF bay area. I remember when I first saw it I thought it was a funny little thing, and sure enough every single transit had them.
Thank you for the great content over the many years! looking forward to what comes out next!
can confirm Transit Connect is Tibbe in the US.
Yep.
they also used them in aston martins when ford owned them
i know someone who had their tools and equipment taken from their work van one night. luckily he was able to get insured from his company
Of all things I learned from this video, The fact that Ford was making the Falcon past 1970 was the mind blower for me.
Not only past the 70s, but some very iconic variants too. Possibly the best known to the world is the Mad Max Interceptor - based on the "XB" Falcon hardtop. More recently, the "barra" straight 6 from the last few models they made in the 2000s remains a favourite of engine enthusiasts to this day.
I think the "Falcon" ended up being one of the longest running names Ford has ever had, and given it never had a "clean sheet" design, it can be argued to be the longest running "platform" Ford ever had too.
There’s a funny clip from top gear where Jeremy Clarkson had a thief break into an old transit with one of these locks, all it took was 10 seconds a flat head screw driver and a hammer
Zach Webb ‘ he just walked up to it and opened it’
I remember when Ford released these locks, organised criminals worked out a design issue. Half a tennis ball and whack against the lock, causing a rush of air in to the lock, pushing the pins, and opening the lock. So many Ford Transits where stolen that Ford had to design version two, it had air holes. Ford had to do a recall and change version one locks.
Ahhhh that brings back memories! I had those keys on two Escorts and a Fiesta. I had a two litre black escort that I adored, and a red 1.4 which had a different key for each lock. Oh the nostalgia 🤣
different key for each lock added security, as supplied the key number was stamped on the boot lock, tear out the boot lock and order a key from the dealership, come back, steal car.
memories of this key, was in my Fiesta, Sierra, dads Sierra and my first Focus
Fords have always been easy pickings in the UK, especially the Ford Transit rear door.
Many criminals don't even bother with locks, instead they do the peel and steal.. they literally use their body weight to bend the side door and look if there is anything worth stealing. watch the video here www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-39744644
My brother in law used to work for Ford and could get into any ford with this type of lock with nothing but a flat headed screwdriver. Its more to do with the poor build quality of the locks themselves thank his own skill. I will add that the ignition barrels like this one, might be slightly better quality but, if you have one ford key of this type, you'd be amazed at how many other fords you'll be able to gain entry to with that one key, regardless of its shape.
I remember newspaper articles back when Sierra and Granada/Scorpio were popular here in Sweden... More than once, someone got out of the grocery store, got into "their" car and started it... and then realized that "wait.. why is the seat all wrong? And what's that stuff lying in the passenger seat? Uh... this... isn't my car???"
Just picked the lock for my fiesta, video was a massive help. Thanks so much
This tool is very visually appealing. Even a complete novice can see exactly what's going on (and could probably figure out how to use it just based on what you said about looking for the spot with the widest range of movement)
More lockpicking tools should be like this.
FYI: Also used widely in Australia and New Zealand.
This is what the police suggested was used to get into my work van. They stole all my tools quickly and quietly. Ford know how easy it is to break into their vans yet continue to sell new vans with rubbish locks, it's a disgrace. They want you to pay extra to secure your contents with better locks which should be fitted as standard!!
Thanks for the demo and shame on you Ford!
it is a ford so you should give yourself a slap for buying one in the first place
It explains why I see so many Ford vans with those large auxilliary locks on. I had no idea it was so easy.
@@Zractor If someone wants inside your vehicle bad enough it doesn't matter the quality of lock that's put on the outside, it still has easily breakable windows.
Alex MacBride no mate, using this is silent, breaking a window isn’t.
These locks are as easy to open as any other car lock.
Fascinating pick tool!
Very cool - just like decoding a combination padlock.
I am an automotive locksmith in the UK. These Tibbe locks are absolutely garbage! If ever a lick was not fit for purpose it was the Tibbe system. Vehicle crime in the UK is a massive problem and it's mainly thanks to this useless Tibbe key system!
why? there's still a chip inside the key. Even if you manage to pick this lock car won't start will it?
You can turn them with anything that will fit in the hole after a good few miles and a few 1000 insertions they wear straight out
I assume that all the locks on the van will be the same, so starting the van isn't the point. You get access to the boot/trunk and steal anything inside. Happens a lot, as far as I know most tradesmen install secondary locks, or leave their vans empty overnight if possible because of this fucking lock.
Samuel Duval the chip in key is very easily bypassed with cheap Chinese key programmers.
Hobgoblinpie 2 in the UK the Ford Transit has only 1 lick on the drivers door. Double twisting the key electronically unlocks all doors including the rear cargo area. Thieves simply empty the van in silence. Even better news for the thieves is, if there's a factory fitted alarm system on the van, this is also deactivated via the driver door lock!! Nice idea Ford! 😉
These locks are infamous in the UK for being defeated with a flathead screwdriver and a hammer
Always wondered why our transit connect had these weird keys. Awesome info.
Had a couple of cars with this key type. Funny thing is they wear significantly & appear completely smooth, yet still work.
Jaguar is 8 discs. Iam glad to see this tool again. Really easy tool to use. They reckon on ukls forum don't like this tool used. Because of trade mans vans tools getting stolen. But a thin screw driver opening them in seconds. lol.
From about 1998, Jags have 6 discs.
I had an Escort with this style of lock. It got stolen, but they hadn't bothered to pick it lol
Most ford key like the one in the video will work on other ford door locks. Its why most vans have big padlocks fitted on the rear doors
160rpm yeah but what model of escort was it
Because of your video I was able to decode and make a new key for someone. Great video! It really helped me out big time
Thank you for a great video with understandable instructions. Much appreciated!
Top gear had a 'thief' break into.one of these...just hammered a screwdriver into the keyway and turned it to open
There is a European Ford Falcon? I knew that. I drive an Australian build Ford Falcon. But never knew that name was used overseas.
Previously in the UK they used a lock based on the AVA design, though looking like disc detainer it was actually a wafer lock as used in CHUBB padlocks. It had the slight downside that it only worked in one direction, thus whilst you needed the correct key to open it, any key would lock it. The other problem was that the wafers stretched slightly in use, the more they stretched the stiffer the lock became and the more force you needed to apply, which stretched the wafers more, til the lock jammed completely.
Ford would sell you a new lock and key, but then you'd have odd keys for your car. There was a 'dealer only' lock rebuild kit, which I managed to get my local Ford dealer to sell me on a 'no returns, don't hassle us if you can't do it' basis. I rebuilt my Escort drivers side lock. I fettled it til it was really slick. Nice lock.
AMAZING! Hell of a pick!
aaaand that's how my van got broken into.
obviously i changed the lock after. :/
Thanks for the van!
My van was stolen using one of these. The daft thieves left it in the Ignition and the police were able to lift prints off it. 😂
I live in the uk and thanks for the new transit connect always wanted a van
I had to watch this video a few times for a video I am about to make on my own Picking site. Pretty exciting stuff once you get used to it.
Fun story: I was once changing the fuses on my 91 ford sierra and the power locks closed the car with the keys inside (my fault, dumb move)
Anyways I used a flat head screwdriver on the passenger side and it opened the car str8 away no problem 😂
These keys are so unsafe, a friend of mine can use their Transit keys to open my car and I can use mine to close his van ..
Actually all Ford Transit van have these locks and at least until the last generation you don’t need to pick the outside locks, you can open the van by grabbing and turning the entire lock like the key would be turned. 😅
CZcams just recommended me 9 of your videos in a row on the home page.
Another very educational video. Love it.
Thanks.
Also this was used in Australia and my car has it
Yeah my Australian EL Falcon has this key type
He does say that the falcon has it, might grab one of those picks for my ol xr6t it looks really good for if I lock myself out of my car, I only have one key for it, dropped the other down a drain (whoops)
Careful using it on the ignition, once you pick it it gets stuck in the barrel
Thanks, maybe now I can open the damn hood. Lock's stuck and key won't work. 🙄
Great video brother ,love the pick as well. Very cool.thanks for sharing
Had one of these for our family car growing up (ford falcon in Australia) and after watching gone in 60 seconds looking at the key and thinking, man this looks easy to pick. I guess I was right and wrong, but with the right tool this looks easy. Did somehow also open a commodore boot with the blade of my little Swiss Army knife.
Tradesmen in the UK are being rinsed dry by thieves using this.... horrible stuff.
I'd rather the fuckers did this to my Sprinter then cut a hole above the lock on the rear door to unlock it from the inside. Funny thing is the van was empty since I'm a courier, I suspect they confused my van for a neighbour's one who happens to be a plumber.
Big problem in the UK - It made the news: www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39744644/epidemic-of-van-tool-thefts-blamed-on-skeleton-key
Big problem in the UK - It made the news: www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39744644/epidemic-of-van-tool-thefts-blamed-on-skeleton-key
Its Called "the Polish" and they arent thieves, its their religion...
Kali Southpaw...It's spelled, Carthefticism.
"However..." I have learned 3 things from your videos... you know a LOT about locks, you are a lock picking savant, and the saying that NOTHING is safe, is true
Nice one, very clear and strait to the point.
I loved this video the pick seemed really unique
This lock is also used by aston martin...
This lock was also used on Ford falcons in Australia 1988 to 2017
The BF models were the last to use this lock system. So, 2008 or thereabouts. Also, This will only get into the car. To start requires communication with a chip in the key handle.
Assuming the immobiliser security is well implemented of course. Which, being proprietary, who knows..
1988 through to around 1994 (EF?) the security system is only checking the correct lock barrel is plugged into the harness, ie the crook hasn't plugged another ignition lock into the cars wiring. They didn't have chipped keys.
TeddtheTiger BA mk I was the last to have them, BA/BF mk II replaced them for newer locks.
Theres some useless info for ya haha
@@Tedd755 I own a BF falcon and i can assure you that tibbe was used from late EA to BA. BF, FG and FGX have a different style of key more similar to a commodore than earlier ford tibbe or wafer locks.
Dude. This is creepy. I was about to comment this on your latest video because I think these keys are so fascinating and I find this video!! Keep up the great work
Was also on the Orion , ka , Mondeo , the big original transit right up to 2013. And some jaguars as you said had that key too in Europe also before the pick thief’s used to knock a hole above the lock and lever the arm or simply bash the lock in with a hammer and push the locking arm with a finger, many many sierras were stolen like that
This was recommended to me, after I lost my Ford car keys.
My phone is listening.
these days that is not a paranoid thought..
Is it 2020 or 1984?
See, I have one of the best anti-theft devices: a car that looks like it's on it's last legs with nothing worth stealing (the radio has a cassette player!). It looks like it might not run at all, though the engine is actually very good. But it looks like the kind of car you'd have to pay a thief to steal.
(There aren't even any worthwhile parts on this car since the manufacturer is no longer in operation and the parts are no longer used except on these cars. I've had to rig a few replacements with generic GM parts because my part was not available)
What car is it?
Great video.👏👍 It would be nice to have one of these types of tools for other disc detainer locks, but most cheap Chinese DD locks don't have false gates. It Would help with positioning each of the discs as far as spacing is concerned.
Might be a fancy lock mechanism but a hammer and a screwdriver will open a Tibbe lock in 3 seconds flat.
Fun fact, I had heard you can use a Tibbe key to lock (but obviously not unlock) any Tibbe lock. I put this to the test when my co-worker forgot to lock her car. We both had Fords. Worked a charm.
Nice video and very interesting. Can you tell where you buy your "Chinese cheap tool" And how much?
Thanks
I wanna know too...
I've seen this on banggood I believe
they sell them in China. 200 ¥uan
Which website? On banggood is 30$
Plenty of them on Amazon. Between £20 and £30 depending on how long a lead time you can stand.
Is the Protec vulnerable to the same exploit? If not, how is it stronger?
Many more disks, with many more possible cut angles on an Abloy. Also the false gates on a Protec feel exactly like the real one under tension. (to me anyway)... So being unable to feel "the right one" forces you to try all of them. All two billion possible combinations ... There IS an exploit for some protecs where you just punch out the disk stack though.
Protec has a key guiding element which also restricts the movement of lockpicks. And don"t forget about Disc Blocking System, which prevents tumblers from turning before sidebar can even touch them! So, you can firstly enter the keycode and secondly compare it to that which the cylinder has inside it, but you can't do these 2 procedures at the same time to use them for lockpicking which is possible in the majority of other locks
Omg been dying to see this exact lock ❤️❤️
The jag ones have one or two extra disc's in the barrel, i'm in uk and these locks were ok, once they worn a bit a worn key could open them with the jiggle style attack, but the lock was not the security flaw to the eu fords, they way they were fitted you only had to make the whole lock move slighty and it operated the mechanism to unlock, do it in the reverse way and it locked the door with no visible damage, also found that any ford tibbe key regardless of cut will lock one of these locks
Tibby or Not Tibby...LoL
🤔... 😳... Groan.
Say it with me "JAG-YOU-AR"
Really appreciate your help
Worked on a Ford Transit Connect the other day with that type of key so they are definitely here in the US.
Falcon is/was NOT a European car ;) it WAS an American car, which Ford Australia initially just borrowed and converted to RHD, but then ended up designing from the ground up and just keeping the badge/name. FUN FACT about the Ford Tibbe keys (at least in Australian Falcons, not a clue about Euro trash) EVERY SINGLE Falcon Tibbe key will fit ANY Falcon Tibbe door lock.......BUT! it will ONLY lock the lock, NOT unlock it and it will not fit the ignition. This resulted in MANY people finding their car locked with their key in the ignition because they had an asshole friend who thinks he is funny :D luckily it only takes a few seconds to break in to a Ford :P
It's really funny that this video was recommended to me since I was just thinking the other day about whether you could "pick" an ignition as you would a door lock. Kind of spooky since I didn't even say it aloud or search it anywhere though....
My locksmith van is a transit connect, and it uses this key. I can confirm this made it to the US.
Great info Mr L.P.L.