Skips over the assembly of the machine because “that’s the boring part”. Proceeds to show video of the machine spinning the knob for 2 minutes straight.
This is the mathematical kind of brute force, not the mechanical kind of brute force. It's the same brute force method that is about the only approach to breaking many kinds of encryption where you know the algorithm but it doesn't matter, hammers don't help, so you have to guess the key. So you start going through every possible key and hope and pray you are really, really lucky and find the key in your lifetime. Or use thousands of computers to try thousands of keys at the same time.
I worked for a large safe manufacture back in the day. They made large walk in bank vaults. Sometimes banks would lose their combinations and we would call this man in from Ohio. He had his own plane and would be there in hours. Sometimes he would use a machine like this often he would just drill it. He would put one small hole in the vault. He had records on every vault and he knew the drilling location. He also had the best tools money could buy. He was a legend. He charged 10,000 per opening. One year we used him three times.
@@ClutterLustRott i think the bank combinations change very often and there’s no way one person would be able to remember it again and again. Source: my opinion
@@Mikasks This answer makes a lot of sense. My source: working in an office where our passwords had to be changed 4 times a year so over half the staff and their password on a post it somewhere on their desk.
@@ashakydd1 People think changing password every 3 months, or even force to reinsert the same password every 2 weeks is a way to improve security. On the contrary, it forces a user to use different password he will forger, and to do what you described. Also, forcing a user to reinsert the password every two weeks, make him an easy target for phishing. In conclusion, a password should never expire, and a session neither.
@@catfish552 But it doesn't figure out the digits progressively, does it? It did recognize the giant click when the lock opened, yes, but does it detect the faint clicks if one of the wheels is in a gate? Manufacturers surely try to make these clicks as hard to detect a possible, while the giant "I'm now open" click doesn't realy need to be disguised.
I assumed there'd be some sort of super sensitive electronic feedback sensor from the motor that would allow it to automate some of the techniques used by humans to unlock them quicker prior to brute force. I suppose though unless you're using this for some time constrained (and thus maybe nefarious use) a day or so of running doesn't matter much so the (probably substantial) extra expense and complication doesn't make sense.
I seem to remember a James Bond movie where 007 attaches something like this to a safe, gets it going, and then sits down with a magazine....fade out...fade in...clickety clack! So at least they tried to indicate Q's toy wasn't out right magic.
It was around 2:05 when I became aware that I was staring at a machine turning a knob for a decent amount of time and realized I can be entertained with anything. Kept watching because it's LPL, it's always good. I could probably have watched the 8h video.
@@xoniq-vr In lock world there is this old legend about a faceless creature who will crack every lock be it large and heavy or tiny and light. All that remains are open, gutted lock bodies. Luckily it's just a fairy tale though
It's not even his safe. He found it just sitting in the back of someone's locked closet in a locked room in a house with two locked front doors. Just begging to be taken
Non-volatile memory isn't the solution to power failures. That's what a UPS is for. If you are doing this professionally and can afford this kind of tool, then you should also be able to get a UPS.
@@dylanisaac1017 the secret is to start a locksmith business with zero skill, and charge people to essentially rent the machine. ROI is approx 12 customers
@@XenoTravis It doesn't need to. Since it isn't designed for clandestine safe cracking. Rather it is designed for lock smiths who get the rather nasty customer call of "We have a really high end safe and forgot the combination". A) high end safes usually have drill lockups (the the glass plates), so no using the standard option..... Just easily drill it with locksmiths drill gear. B) Brute force cutting and drill would take time C) it might destroy the contents and contents is what customer wants D) high end safes are expensive so if you can avoid destructive entry, customer would be really really happy to get to continue to use the expensive asset. So dialer it is. Locksmith shows up with the dialer, sets it up, asks if there is any idea even on part of the code, tells those tips as starting point for the machine and then leaves the dialer to work and says to customer "This might take a day. Call me when that box goes DING and says dialing complete, code is...... I will come pack up my gear, set a new combination and you have again a working safe". Hence it being slow doesn't mean anything. Since most likely the dialer is working in front of the customer and could be working days on end anyway.
Well, it is a brute force approach, so you're dealing with "worse case scenario" for cracking a code. But it's also automated so you can set it and leave it to do its thing for a while.
A Nema17 motor could do the same job and it could be driven from a TMC2209 silent stepstick which makes virtually no noise. Put a flexible coupling on the shaft and some rubber dampeners on the motor mounting bracket and the only thing you'll hear is the lock mechanism clicking. Additionally, these tiny motors produce very sick amount of torque when running 1.4 Amps RMS, and at 24 Volts they can sustain this torque up to 1000 RPM. This thing could literally work 25x faster and be 10x cheaper if they had optimized anything. Source: I'm a 3d printing enthusiast I deal with stepper motors a lot. Dude trust me™.
@@toahero5925 A standard stepper is 200 full steps per revolution and 400 half-steps, up to 51 200 microsteps (driver chip feature). It has plenty of accuracy. The limiting factor would be the speed at which the lock internals can operate.
@@michaelbuckers I would kinda worry whether a nema 17 (at least 3D printer size) would have the torque for a stiff dial, especially using smoothened steps (source - trying to use one to make a fourth axis for my cnc)
@@robbiejames1540 How stiff a dial we're talking about? Nema17 motors provide enough torque for your fingers to slip off the knob unless you really hold tight. Also check your RMS current setting. As a rule of thumb, if the motor isn't hot to touch, it's not running enough current. Also of course longer motors provide more power, puck motors are pretty weak so don't use them for anything that requires nontrivial thrust.
Years ago my sister found a combination lock, the type used on school lockers, and over the course of days we went through each combination sequentially. We finally got it open. It had 01-99 numbers, and a 3 number combination.
My crime partner : **whispering** How long is it gonna take? Me :* *also whispering** Give me 8 hours **machine dialing noises** * *awkwardly stare at each other for 8 hours**
@@LancasterResponding 3 hours later... "So... are we there yet, you know we broke in the store with no alarm triggered but it's 7am in the morning now and they open at 8..."
This would have made sense in the movie Die Hard where supposedly it took about 8 hours to drill into a safe, would make more sense that it took about that long to use an auto-dialler like this.
Funny how this attack is called "brute-forcing" in cryptography, but in the case of an actual safe it's a very soft approach to opening it compared to other, way more brutal ways.
If you understand "brute-force method" as "a method to go through something no matter how long it takes" then it's pretty accurate in all cases. Brute forcing a message, a hash, a key, etc is just going through all possible combinations until you find the right one. Same thing for locks. If you brute force your way through a door, you're most likely using a ram (that's where the expression "ramming through" comes from btw, although the origin is actually medieval rams). If you brute force your way through enemy defenses, you're doing it literally, etc.
When I was a young kid I remember opening an old lock combination lock just buy feel.... I close my eyes and turned it till I instinctively knew to stop and then turn it back in and turned it back again all based on feel and instinct. And it opened. It’s amazing how good your hearing And your sense of touch become with your eyes closed...
@@DeadlyDanDaMan So says the Highlighted ”King of Pussies” !!! Gee thumb wrestling. Wish I was you. You look about as deadly as a bad case of athletes foot! LOL !
I've used one of these many times. It usually doesn't take long on a safe that has the combination changed for different people because they love to use dates like birthdays. Start it and come back the next morning and open the safe.
When I was in the military I use to set the safe codes. I was told by the master locksmith that it is best to set the numbers low/high/low because it is easier to mess up the sequence when dialing the numbers when trying to hack the safe.
A moviemaker was having a tiff with the UK censor's office. He submitted a 10 hour movie of paint drying. A fee is only payable if the movie is classified adult only or similar. Wonder what the censor would think of a 8 hour safecracking movie with this device.
Thank you for always ending your outro with "and have a nice day.", because that can sometimes be all it takes for me to think positive thoughts before I go on to doing something else worthwhile. Also thank you for your calm and soothing voice, it usually makes me feel relaxed when I would otherwise feel stressed or uneasy.
I remember several years ago when we got a gun safe and the combination we had for the safe didn’t work. We called the locksmith and he put a rig like this on the dial to try and find the combination, and the rig he had was noisy as hell. What really sucked was it took the machine 3 days running nonstop to find the combination, so it was pure hell trying to sleep with that thing running. This ones quiet as can be compared to that one.
Mike Bartley and what sucked even beyond that, I forgot to put this in my original comment, is that the combination it wound up finding didn’t work either. Locksmith had to put a whole new dial on it.
@@ccall48 magic sense of touch on the guy, could have made a mint opening safes but honest as they come. Ime tempted to say 'dumb" as they come but you cant knock a guy for having integrity[personally i dont think enough of banks and their practices to NOT be willing to take their money if i had those skills and nobody was getting hurt]:/
Others in the comments have mentioned that a device like this could be improved by using sound or the resistive force of the lock as feedback, but I always thought it would be cool to use magnetic induction sensors of some sort to sense the position of the notches on the disks. If a notch passes under the sensor, the magnetic field would slightly change, with some software magic, you could use that to decode the lock. It would likely need highly sensitive sensors and complicated software but it could theoretically take down locks made with high tolerances that would be difficult to feel out with tactile feedback
You're going to have an incredibly difficult time sensing discrepancies in magnetic fields of brass wheels, inside of an aluminum lock, through 12+ inches of steel, my guy.
I had one of these and used it a few times and it led me to learn manipulation. Once I learned how to manipulate, the only time I used the dialer again was when I was on a late call and could set it up to dial over night and then return the next day to find the container open. Set up is the key; the drop point and opening direction must be known; there are tricks to find these , as you know.
Well, so is a jackhammer, or a diamond-studded circular saw, or a case of dynamite. But the advantage of the dialing machine is, the safe can still be used afterward. :-)
Great vid. Have always wondered if they were practical or just a novelty. What would you use on one with a digital lock? Are there attachments to swap from one to the other?
@@MichaelPohoreski No its not We call this brute force in the IT world, where you hack a server over a network. Obviously brute force comes from using brutal physical force.... as in taking a sledgehammer or something to the device. Since this is a safe, not a far away server, brute force would be exactly that; brute force. Not trying all possibilities.
@@MichaelPohoreski No, its not. I just explained it ffs. BRUTE FORCE comes from FORCING a device/door/etc, instead of using normal method (key for instance) to gain entry to a device. The term crossed over to networking as forcing a login/pass by trying all possibillities. Since its not really an option to physically go there and open a server. You cant friggin cross over back to where it came from and change the original meaning!!!!! Its not rocket science...
It would be fun to consider a lock designed to defy this type of attack, maybe with torque limiting clutches to defy the fast changes of direction. Perhaps a centrifugal device to resist fast rotation.
Nah the issue is if it was a heist it is just impractical to use It takes a good bit of time to set up and it takes quite awhile to use And it's kinda klunky And it's expensive It's just not very practical for a criminal to use Hence the main use case for this is probably if the owner of the safe forgot their passcode and wanted a non destructive way to enter the safe So it doesn't make sense to design the safe to impede the device imo
And no one would buy that lock, because this device isn't spinning any faster than a bank teller spins a lock, and there would be repeat calls to the bank's vault technicians over a lock "not working" simply because they were going too fast. Congrats, you just designed the worst lock ever.
@@the-dullahan I wrote that 3 years ago, a practical bank vault lock does not really have to resist an attack like this. At most I would guess that a vault will be unattended for a maximum of maybe 5 days so there is a limit to how many stepper motor driven combinations could be tried in that time. Sadly the quickest way into it is to kidnap those that do have access, but that falls outside the challenge of lock picking...
We had to get someone to use one of these the other day in work (Manifoil Mk8), I wasn't around to see it in use but it's a lot simpler than I thought!
Timmy Davie The problem with the Mk8 is there are over 2.5 billion combinations. You'd have to have an idea what the combination is for a machine to ever break into one. The internals fail before the lock will be cracked. A Mk4 lasts about 10 days on a lock dialler before it fails, which is well before all combos are dialled, I would assume a mk8 fails after the same amount of time, so it would never get close to all the combinations because there are x100 more of them. I service these locks daily, so have a lot of experience of them, and especially using brute force to try and get into them.
I can totally expect this. My safe you can feel the bearings catch and sometimes release when you spin in the dial so if you’re sensitive enough you can easily feel things drop in place
Gotta think about the application this is used in. It's almost certainly used exclusively by people who need to crack a safe they either forget the combination to, or acquired it locked to begin with. As such the times it's needed are very rarely, therefore speed isn't really much of a concern as you just set it to run then go on with your day, and come back when it's finished.
@@kendarr this isn't brute force by any means. When you review safes and their ratings (including the locks used on them) they are rated against surreptitious entry (entry without leaving physical evidence) and forced entry (clear evidence of entry). In this case no "force" is used and if you were to have performed this "surreptitiously" no one would be the wiser once you walked away. (Edit: post-midnight comments and autocorrect don't mix...)
Boyhood dream come true. I did indeed assume this was only ever seen in my movies and fictitious until recently. By the time someone got a Arduino to tune a guitar... then again the hours this machine takes does match the reality of not having your cake and eating it too.
This type of lock is actually the first I learned to open by listening. It does take some skill, but I have to thank masterlock for making those small dial locks for me to practice on. Might actually try to find or buy one. Much easier than picking, though I can do both at a novice level (paperclip)
I made one of these a while ago and It works. I used a stepper motor, Arduino, and 3d printed enclosure with a 16x2 lcd screen. The only problem is getting the magnets to stick to the safe and keeping the Arduino turned on
Your observation is correct. It is possible to manufacture this kind of lock with tighter tolerances (which would also makes it less forgiving when you are legit, know the combination and just try to dial it in with clumsy hands). I presume that for most dial locks, you just need to try 50 of the 100 positions. So just 125,000 possible combination for a three disc lock (instead of the 1,000,000 one might expect). I guess the usual fix is not to apply tighter tolerances but to add another disc. 50^4 gives you 6,250,000 possible combinations. Oh, well, my bad. Of course one number must be outside the 0-30 or 0-35 region. so the number of possible combinations is actually only two thirds of the numbers given above.
There is a major vulnerability point with the S&G safes. It was my first safe that I cracked. I drilled a hole in the back of the safe and inserted a camera with a magnetic head on it and put it on the key hole that resets the combination. This reset is 5 numbers off and you are able to get the combo from the last number to the first when looking through the hole by rotating it through the cycle. Then compensate for the 5 number off set and you have the combination. If you have ever reset you will know what I mean by the 5 number off set. It's what that other white notch is for on top of the dial.
But considering most vaults have an exterior and interior door plate, and are also not something you're ever going to be able to drill from behind, that's not really that major of a flaw, since you would never be able to get the camera in from the rear that way, and even if you could, you'd never be able to see the lock anyhow.
This was the idea behind my engineering college project. Safe was heavy enough to resist being moved, even at a small size. Sandwiched an extreme abrasion and heat resistant ceramic tile between mild and hardend steel. Thickness was such that an average sized grinder could not penetrate deep enough. You absolutely could get in, but the goal was to make it either not worth it or risk having the contents destroyed in the process. If the person was not aware of the design of the safe they faced it would prove to be very difficult. It was actually built and tested. The tester had a reason to get in. His Christmas present was inside. He failed after two hours with power tools.
I know you americans also allowed to have shitty safes. But in other countries this may not work, because there are regulations, that you can pull out a safe with a truck.
I'd love to see this guy at work on a safe a work colleage had. It had four lock barrels arranged in a square on the front door, a,b,c,d, it came with 2 keys, 1 and 2. Each key had 2 sets of 6 fingers? on opposite sides of the shaft. To open the safe you had to put 1 of the keys into the correct barrel and turn 180 degrees in the correct direction and leave it in. Then the next key went into a second barrel and turn 180 degrees in the correct direction. The door could then be opened with the handle. Even if you had both keys, if you put the wrong key in the wrong lock first or turned it in the wrong direction, the door wouldn't open. Even if you guessed correct with the first key, get something wrong with the second and the door would not open. Then the first key was retained within the lock and could only be released by the owner taking the second key, (which was never trapped), placing it in one of the 3 now available barrels, and turning in the correct direction. I watched this safe being opened just once and it was done so quickly, I could never have remembered the sequence. There was the option to change the unlocking sequence, but it being a solely mechanical device, I imagine it was a complicated business.
AW MAN! This brings back memory's of math class and learning algorithms. the lock machine was going through every odd number first then every even number. Now I'm trying to remember what that process was called.
@@VI-pp4jo You might be able to break the combination lock that way. Unfortunately, it would also break the mechanism which keeps some spring loaded arms in position (heat and deformation will break it as well). The arms will then move from the ordinary position into a position which will keep the door shut. Really shut. Shut in the sense that even the locks are overruled and cannot be used to open the door any more. You will then need to cut the door (or the walls) into pieces (which might take days, and is noisy).
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All I can see is R2D2 shutting down the trash compactor on the Death Star.
All I can hear is a washing machine on agitate.
This is awesome
Then R2D2 spends sometime with the Death Star AI and thus BB8 was born. :D
I laughed reading your post about shutting down the trash-compactor. LPL got his hands on R2-D2, and now I wonder where C3P-O are hidden...
Haha yeah it does look like that
The display should say, “Hmm. Nothing on 2...”
🤣
There should be an "LPL mode".
Click on 3...
Integr8d 5 is binding...
4 is loose
I originally thought this was using sensors to detect the most faint inner moments and do it fast, but it was a brute force method lol
So it tries every possible combination?
@@mangoesnandos4412 yes, basically. Hence the multi-hour solution
I had the exact same thought!
Violence, if it doesn't work at first u probably didn't use enough of it
Exactly my thoughts. A lot less fancy when it is just trying every possible combination.
Skips over the assembly of the machine because “that’s the boring part”.
Proceeds to show video of the machine spinning the knob for 2 minutes straight.
😂😁😀, think it the same thing and then we could of ended up watching for 8h to 30h to see it actaully work. 😂😁
Agreed
The channel's about lock picking. Respect to LPL for not cramming every video with bullshit to hit 10 minutes.
I found it fascinating and noticed that I was picking up patterns and started to map them.
The "boring" part is on a totally different unit
Makes sense that the longest it ever takes him to crack a lock is when a robot replaces him
Lol
Hahaha
And he still had to give the robot two of the three to make it a fair race. 😂
Has he created a video where he cracks a safe combo without the use of a machine?
You can use a stethoscope, I've witnessed my uncle open one
"If brute force doesn't work you are not using enough of it."
Micah Chase “Ain’t nothing a bigger hammer can’t solve.”
If it won' t move, force it. If it breaks, it needed fixing anyway."
This is the mathematical kind of brute force, not the mechanical kind of brute force. It's the same brute force method that is about the only approach to breaking many kinds of encryption where you know the algorithm but it doesn't matter, hammers don't help, so you have to guess the key. So you start going through every possible key and hope and pray you are really, really lucky and find the key in your lifetime. Or use thousands of computers to try thousands of keys at the same time.
Never force anything!!! Just use a bigger hammer.
@@McCurtainCounty888 yes, negotiate with a bigger hammer.
Diplomacy always works.
I worked for a large safe manufacture back in the day. They made large walk in bank vaults. Sometimes banks would lose their combinations and we would call this man in from Ohio. He had his own plane and would be there in hours. Sometimes he would use a machine like this often he would just drill it. He would put one small hole in the vault. He had records on every vault and he knew the drilling location. He also had the best tools money could buy. He was a legend. He charged 10,000 per opening. One year we used him three times.
thats sick, but how come banks are losing their combos that often?
@@ClutterLustRott i think the bank combinations change very often and there’s no way one person would be able to remember it again and again. Source: my opinion
@@Mikasks This answer makes a lot of sense. My source: working in an office where our passwords had to be changed 4 times a year so over half the staff and their password on a post it somewhere on their desk.
Also, safes can fail to hold their “programmed” combination. It does happen.
@@ashakydd1 People think changing password every 3 months, or even force to reinsert the same password every 2 weeks is a way to improve security. On the contrary, it forces a user to use different password he will forger, and to do what you described. Also, forcing a user to reinsert the password every two weeks, make him an easy target for phishing. In conclusion, a password should never expire, and a session neither.
Clever part of this would be to find a safe to open where you would not be disturbed by the owner for at least 30 hours.
Over a long weekend maybe
If you're really sneaky, you could do multiple sessions, and feed it any digits it figured out previously.
My immediate thought was the Hatton garden heist, but then i realised that in that case it was faster and easier to drill
Presumably, thieves would steal the safe and do this somewhere else..
@@catfish552 But it doesn't figure out the digits progressively, does it? It did recognize the giant click when the lock opened, yes, but does it detect the faint clicks if one of the wheels is in a gate? Manufacturers surely try to make these clicks as hard to detect a possible, while the giant "I'm now open" click doesn't realy need to be disguised.
And here I was thinking this was some high tech super sensitive equipment that could sense the tumblers as it dialed
I would think that monitoring the acoustics from the lock would allow a smart machine to use a technique other than brute force
I assumed there'd be some sort of super sensitive electronic feedback sensor from the motor that would allow it to automate some of the techniques used by humans to unlock them quicker prior to brute force. I suppose though unless you're using this for some time constrained (and thus maybe nefarious use) a day or so of running doesn't matter much so the (probably substantial) extra expense and complication doesn't make sense.
diallers with that do exist but are like an order of magnitude more expensive
*BEEP BOOP* CLICK. OUT. OF. TWO.
Ya me to cant believe its just a auto dialer
what i heard: "these things costs thousands of dollars, but not when they are stored behind a standard padlock"
That is an excellent point.
lmao
R. pizzamonkey lmao
JJ H lmao
tousands of dollar?
It's like a 10 minutes programm and a 20€ Nema23 motor.
Im really confused
I seem to remember a James Bond movie where 007 attaches something like this to a safe, gets it going, and then sits down with a magazine....fade out...fade in...clickety clack! So at least they tried to indicate Q's toy wasn't out right magic.
I had the same thought! Just commented it stating the movie and exact time where that machine is used.
It was a Playboy mag... that's why they had the fade out... (cencored) ...and fade in.
That was 'You Only Live Twice' featuring the great Sean Connery
@@rob6231981 *On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. George Lazenby
@@Dgoshy That may be so, but it was first done in 'You Only Live Twice' when 007 needed documents from the safe of Mr Osato.
It was around 2:05 when I became aware that I was staring at a machine turning a knob for a decent amount of time and realized I can be entertained with anything. Kept watching because it's LPL, it's always good. I could probably have watched the 8h video.
I started hearing "covered in vegetables."
What the fuck me too
thats creepy as fuck. god knows what that poor robot went through :(
I cant stop hearing it after reading this comment
NO WHY DID YOU SAY THAT :C
I can hear it too ahha
"I already skipped the boring part where I laid hands on the safe and it whispered the first two numbers to me."
The Safe Whisperer !
This is the lock picking lawyer and i would like your combination.. that is all i have for you.
I bet it cried the numbers in fear, when LPP opens a box with a lock or safe, it scares the shit out of it.
@@xoniq-vr
In lock world there is this old legend about a faceless creature who will crack every lock be it large and heavy or tiny and light.
All that remains are open, gutted lock bodies.
Luckily it's just a fairy tale though
It's not even his safe. He found it just sitting in the back of someone's locked closet in a locked room in a house with two locked front doors.
Just begging to be taken
This thing better have non-volatile memory so you can resume the job in the event of a power failure
Non-volatile memory isn't the solution to power failures. That's what a UPS is for. If you are doing this professionally and can afford this kind of tool, then you should also be able to get a UPS.
@@johnremcastro or both. If the new ones have bluetooth, im sure they have memory haha
I think it does together with ram. Plus it also have battery so you don't need a UPS. but it's low capacity so you better write it down.
Everybody gangsta until the safe door sounding like a dot matrix printer.
awh, I was expecting something that somehow listened for clicks, but automating a brute force attack is still pretty neat.
Not worth thousands of dollars tho
@@dylanisaac1017 the secret is to start a locksmith business with zero skill, and charge people to essentially rent the machine. ROI is approx 12 customers
Yea
well if you forgot your safe password you can rent this for some money, that's what they call bussiness
How does it know it's found the correct combination if not by sound?
When I started watching I presumed the machine would be slower than you personally are at opening locks, but I was surprised to learn how much slower!
I thought it would do something fancy other than brute force
@@XenoTravis It doesn't need to. Since it isn't designed for clandestine safe cracking. Rather it is designed for lock smiths who get the rather nasty customer call of "We have a really high end safe and forgot the combination". A) high end safes usually have drill lockups (the the glass plates), so no using the standard option..... Just easily drill it with locksmiths drill gear. B) Brute force cutting and drill would take time C) it might destroy the contents and contents is what customer wants D) high end safes are expensive so if you can avoid destructive entry, customer would be really really happy to get to continue to use the expensive asset.
So dialer it is. Locksmith shows up with the dialer, sets it up, asks if there is any idea even on part of the code, tells those tips as starting point for the machine and then leaves the dialer to work and says to customer "This might take a day. Call me when that box goes DING and says dialing complete, code is...... I will come pack up my gear, set a new combination and you have again a working safe".
Hence it being slow doesn't mean anything. Since most likely the dialer is working in front of the customer and could be working days on end anyway.
It's no slower then an idiot that forgot his combination 😂
Milktank ™ f
Well, it is a brute force approach, so you're dealing with "worse case scenario" for cracking a code. But it's also automated so you can set it and leave it to do its thing for a while.
Sounds like an old printer and the worst partner in crime a bit like having squeaky shoes
A Nema17 motor could do the same job and it could be driven from a TMC2209 silent stepstick which makes virtually no noise. Put a flexible coupling on the shaft and some rubber dampeners on the motor mounting bracket and the only thing you'll hear is the lock mechanism clicking.
Additionally, these tiny motors produce very sick amount of torque when running 1.4 Amps RMS, and at 24 Volts they can sustain this torque up to 1000 RPM. This thing could literally work 25x faster and be 10x cheaper if they had optimized anything.
Source: I'm a 3d printing enthusiast I deal with stepper motors a lot. Dude trust me™.
@@michaelbuckers Would it be precise enough to handle individual combinations?
@@toahero5925 A standard stepper is 200 full steps per revolution and 400 half-steps, up to 51 200 microsteps (driver chip feature). It has plenty of accuracy. The limiting factor would be the speed at which the lock internals can operate.
@@michaelbuckers
I would kinda worry whether a nema 17 (at least 3D printer size) would have the torque for a stiff dial, especially using smoothened steps (source - trying to use one to make
a fourth axis for my cnc)
@@robbiejames1540 How stiff a dial we're talking about? Nema17 motors provide enough torque for your fingers to slip off the knob unless you really hold tight. Also check your RMS current setting. As a rule of thumb, if the motor isn't hot to touch, it's not running enough current. Also of course longer motors provide more power, puck motors are pretty weak so don't use them for anything that requires nontrivial thrust.
Years ago my sister found a combination lock, the type used on school lockers, and over the course of days we went through each combination sequentially. We finally got it open. It had 01-99 numbers, and a 3 number combination.
Man. I want one of these and I don't even have a safe to unlock.
Whats up jerry?
you may not have a safe to unlock but a device to open lol
Jerry, you have a diverse set of interests.
I'm surprised this doesn't have more likes.
That display would surely scratch at a level 3 or 4
My crime partner : **whispering** How long is it gonna take?
Me :* *also whispering** Give me 8 hours
**machine dialing noises**
* *awkwardly stare at each other for 8 hours**
Pr P.A
Hour 4
*Leans in for a kiss*
“Dude what the fuck?”
Stares awkwardly at floor for 4 more hours
@@LancasterResponding 3 hours later...
"So... are we there yet, you know we broke in the store with no alarm triggered but it's 7am in the morning now and they open at 8..."
@@misakamikoto8785 1 hr later: nobody showed up because there was a gas leak and you didn't know, just as the safe opens you get blown up.
This would have made sense in the movie Die Hard where supposedly it took about 8 hours to drill into a safe, would make more sense that it took about that long to use an auto-dialler like this.
@@charadremur333 but this is a cartoon and you don't die
the fact that he makes videos with things like this make me never get bored of this channel. always something interesting
Fun fact: LPL just picked it while looking at it and felt pity for the machine so he gave it hits
LPL whilst it's working "there was a click out of two... You sure 4 isn't binding?"
Funny how this attack is called "brute-forcing" in cryptography, but in the case of an actual safe it's a very soft approach to opening it compared to other, way more brutal ways.
yep
I guess brute forcing a combination and brute forcing a safe are slightly different techniques 😅
If you understand "brute-force method" as "a method to go through something no matter how long it takes" then it's pretty accurate in all cases.
Brute forcing a message, a hash, a key, etc is just going through all possible combinations until you find the right one. Same thing for locks. If you brute force your way through a door, you're most likely using a ram (that's where the expression "ramming through" comes from btw, although the origin is actually medieval rams). If you brute force your way through enemy defenses, you're doing it literally, etc.
@@louisrobitaille5810 yeah but brute force also means smashing things with hammers instead of entering the combination
Its still brute forcing
It’s no joke when this is one of the longer videos you’ve done of opening a lock in a good while.
Nogarda it could have gone the full 8 hours
All it needs now is a voice saying, "I've got a click on one..."
2 is binding...
Nothing on 3...
"4 is set... And we've got it...."
Just take the like ....
When I was a young kid I remember opening an old lock combination lock just buy feel.... I close my eyes and turned it till I instinctively knew to stop and then turn it back in and turned it back again all based on feel and instinct. And it opened. It’s amazing how good your hearing And your sense of touch become with your eyes closed...
Cool story bro. You keep thinking you're cool. Maybe someday someone will care.
@@DeadlyDanDaMan So says the Highlighted ”King of Pussies” !!! Gee thumb wrestling. Wish I was you. You look about as deadly as a bad case of athletes foot! LOL
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It's called the itl 2000 cause "it'll take 2000 hours"
I've used one of these many times. It usually doesn't take long on a safe that has the combination changed for different people because they love to use dates like birthdays. Start it and come back the next morning and open the safe.
@@kimalexander4083
Well, I can cross this off my wish list for tools to rob my bank with
HAH why aren't all jokes like this
@hi there some one steal something you left in a safe box?
@@hardwirecars Yeah probably did *I'll get it back*
"The picking robot BosnianBill and I made.."
😆😆😆
One can likely make this with an Arduino controller and stepper motor after figuring out the motion pattern.
@@ClickLikeAndSubscribe pretty sure I have seen those builds a few years back either with Arduino's or raspberry pi's
@@knightmarex13 I believe Samy Kamkar made something like that
Literally the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the thumbnail lol
I get the feeling that LPL could've just picked it faster
That's the cutest little scroll chuck I've seen in a while.
Its operation sounds like it's saying, "Someone will pay for this".
The robots are taking over
Or “I need to take a poo”
Or “duh duh dundunduh duh”
Maybe I have no imagination but that’s all I hear
@@ying190 thanks thats far better
i can't unhear it
"Hurry R2, we're dying in here!"
Just use some c4 haha
😅😅😅
r2 sucks, just use bb8
Be there in 8 hours
@@afterbusters134 dont mention anything from the sequel trilogy 🤢
I remember seeing a video of one of the best safecrackers around and it was insane how he could feel such minute touches of the inner workings
When I was in the military I use to set the safe codes. I was told by the master locksmith that it is best to set the numbers low/high/low because it is easier to mess up the sequence when dialing the numbers when trying to hack the safe.
"I've already skipped the boring part..."
Sir, nothing you do is boring.
I was disappointed he skipped all of the setup!
Building it is half the fun!
Yeah BESIDES the fun part is the building and how it opens its like payday 2
Not boring,but DANGEROUS. I catched my son lockpicking and he told me that he learnt that skill by watching this chanell...
@@pulga961 good he is developing a very useful skill. You should encourage his behavior not prohibit it 🙂
"This is the lockpicking lawyer"
*Chasity Belt drops to the floor*
So you've watched his Valentine's videos too? I see you are a man of culture.
hahahaaa
robin of loxley and maid marian could have used his skills
Bruce Weeks Is one sly dog man...
He's a leg opener
Pretty Neat Video! One of the best CZcams creators I've ever come across and I've seen a lot keep up the great work thank you so much
That certainly puts a different 'spin' on safe cracking... Good show!
*“The Thermal Drill, Go Get It”*
WZR the thermal drill:
*guys the thermal drill, go get it*
PD FTW
HOXTON !! CHAINS
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
"I'm not going to make an 8 hour long video" *disappointed face*
A moviemaker was having a tiff with the UK censor's office. He submitted a 10 hour movie of paint drying. A fee is only payable if the movie is classified adult only or similar. Wonder what the censor would think of a 8 hour safecracking movie with this device.
As a software and hardware dev i instantly recognized this as a mechanical brute forcer. Now, i have something to build when I'm bored.
Listening to this baby is how LPL gets to sleep at night.
Thank you for always ending your outro with "and have a nice day.", because that can sometimes be all it takes for me to think positive thoughts before I go on to doing something else worthwhile. Also thank you for your calm and soothing voice, it usually makes me feel relaxed when I would otherwise feel stressed or uneasy.
I hope your days have been great!
"doing something else worthwhile.." like applying these knowledge someplace? Lol.
@@incineratorium 😉🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Dramatic as fuuuuck...
@@nuggie3905 LMFAO 🤣
The machine actually holds a good rhythmic tune. I can groove to this. 😂
Lookup stepper motor music.
"So many locks - to pick!"
@@priceburnett Floppy drive music is also pretty cool
Lockpickinglawyer asmr.
be a good DJ.
Gotta love these guys, on their site it says;
"Q: Once open can I keep things inside it … like a lighter and grinder?"
This is the first time in a VERY long time that I’ve felt a bit ill from just watch something. Well done, good sir.
I’m rather upset that the robot doesn’t say “click out of one....2nd pin setting...”
I remember several years ago when we got a gun safe and the combination we had for the safe didn’t work. We called the locksmith and he put a rig like this on the dial to try and find the combination, and the rig he had was noisy as hell. What really sucked was it took the machine 3 days running nonstop to find the combination, so it was pure hell trying to sleep with that thing running. This ones quiet as can be compared to that one.
Mike Bartley and what sucked even beyond that, I forgot to put this in my original comment, is that the combination it wound up finding didn’t work either. Locksmith had to put a whole new dial on it.
H M in hindsight, that would’ve been an EXCELLENT idea 🤣
You needed Jeff Sitar,lol. He cracks bank vaults by hand very fast, check him out!
@@TheZacdes According to a few other videos Jeff passed away last year.
@@ccall48 magic sense of touch on the guy, could have made a mint opening safes but honest as they come. Ime tempted to say 'dumb" as they come but you cant knock a guy for having integrity[personally i dont think enough of banks and their practices to NOT be willing to take their money if i had those skills and nobody was getting hurt]:/
Others in the comments have mentioned that a device like this could be improved by using sound or the resistive force of the lock as feedback, but I always thought it would be cool to use magnetic induction sensors of some sort to sense the position of the notches on the disks. If a notch passes under the sensor, the magnetic field would slightly change, with some software magic, you could use that to decode the lock. It would likely need highly sensitive sensors and complicated software but it could theoretically take down locks made with high tolerances that would be difficult to feel out with tactile feedback
You're going to have an incredibly difficult time sensing discrepancies in magnetic fields of brass wheels, inside of an aluminum lock, through 12+ inches of steel, my guy.
I had one of these and used it a few times and it led me to learn manipulation. Once I learned how to manipulate, the only time I used the dialer again was when I was on a late call and could set it up to dial over night and then return the next day to find the container open. Set up is the key; the drop point and opening direction must be known; there are tricks to find these , as you know.
ITL-2000 dropping some sick beats tbh
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Good lord even payday drill is even faster than this machine
Well, so is a jackhammer, or a diamond-studded circular saw, or a case of dynamite. But the advantage of the dialing machine is, the safe can still be used afterward. :-)
*Drill broken hold to fix*
Robbie Hatley r/woooosh
Lachlan MacKenzie Necroposting time!
@@ZaHandle its youtube, not reddit who gives a shit about necro.
Great vid. Have always wondered if they were practical or just a novelty. What would you use on one with a digital lock? Are there attachments to swap from one to the other?
4:49 Safe manufacturers: "OMG, LPL has got to the safes! We must quickly give him something else to play with or we're all screwed".
So what it does is the same we all thought: trying every possible combination until it works lol
The technical term is _Brute-force_
Thats actually a common attack
@@MichaelPohoreski No its not
We call this brute force in the IT world, where you hack a server over a network. Obviously brute force comes from using brutal physical force.... as in taking a sledgehammer or something to the device. Since this is a safe, not a far away server, brute force would be exactly that; brute force. Not trying all possibilities.
@@StofStuiver Yes it is.
> The attacker systematically checks all possible passwords and passphrases until the correct one is found.
@@MichaelPohoreski No, its not. I just explained it ffs.
BRUTE FORCE comes from FORCING a device/door/etc, instead of using normal method (key for instance) to gain entry to a device.
The term crossed over to networking as forcing a login/pass by trying all possibillities. Since its not really an option to physically go there and open a server.
You cant friggin cross over back to where it came from and change the original meaning!!!!!
Its not rocket science...
Would love to see the vid with that sparrow learning dialler
See Bosnianbill latest video [1610], he also gives 3 giveaways.
Locknoob did a fine video on the Sparrows safe, also.
czcams.com/video/biNog4QctAw/video.html
It would be fun to consider a lock designed to defy this type of attack, maybe with torque limiting clutches to defy the fast changes of direction. Perhaps a centrifugal device to resist fast rotation.
Or add a single additional gate and the solving time of this machine goes up from 8hrs to 1-2 months.
Nah the issue is if it was a heist it is just impractical to use
It takes a good bit of time to set up and it takes quite awhile to use
And it's kinda klunky
And it's expensive
It's just not very practical for a criminal to use
Hence the main use case for this is probably if the owner of the safe forgot their passcode and wanted a non destructive way to enter the safe
So it doesn't make sense to design the safe to impede the device imo
And no one would buy that lock, because this device isn't spinning any faster than a bank teller spins a lock, and there would be repeat calls to the bank's vault technicians over a lock "not working" simply because they were going too fast. Congrats, you just designed the worst lock ever.
@@the-dullahan I wrote that 3 years ago, a practical bank vault lock does not really have to resist an attack like this. At most I would guess that a vault will be unattended for a maximum of maybe 5 days so there is a limit to how many stepper motor driven combinations could be tried in that time.
Sadly the quickest way into it is to kidnap those that do have access, but that falls outside the challenge of lock picking...
@@g0fvt LOL bro went from one nonsensical idea to another. Kidnapping would have an even lower likelihood of success than your other BS idea.
Anyone else vibing along with the beat that it makes?
We had to get someone to use one of these the other day in work (Manifoil Mk8), I wasn't around to see it in use but it's a lot simpler than I thought!
Timmy Davie
The problem with the Mk8 is there are over 2.5 billion combinations. You'd have to have an idea what the combination is for a machine to ever break into one. The internals fail before the lock will be cracked. A Mk4 lasts about 10 days on a lock dialler before it fails, which is well before all combos are dialled, I would assume a mk8 fails after the same amount of time, so it would never get close to all the combinations because there are x100 more of them.
I service these locks daily, so have a lot of experience of them, and especially using brute force to try and get into them.
@@charlesturner2546 That sounds like one serious safe.
"This is the LockPickingLawyer, and i've gotten tired of manually picking locks, so i made a picking robot" :D
this is probably doable you know...
Let me get the lock picking robot that BosnianBill and I made
PlacidDragon offerup.com/item/detail/786631059/
“That bosnian bill and I made”
I can totally expect this.
My safe you can feel the bearings catch and sometimes release when you spin in the dial so if you’re sensitive enough you can easily feel things drop in place
Im so happy there are over a thousand videos here for me to binge when I have no idea wtf to watch.
I swear at 2.11 this thing was saying "you was an accident"
Rob Bennett I agree 😂
fck can't unhear it
Yeah i hear it now
it sounds like "gimme that vegetable" to me lol
2:11
Sounds like a dot matrix printer lol. Bringing back some memories :)
fascinating to see the device work in action. Thanks for the video!!!
“Maybe it will beep when it’s done, like a microwave” -Tyson
Ahhh, the good ol' brute force method. Love it.
"gimme that vegetable ..gimme that vegetable ..gimme that vegetable"
I can never ingest this, and I'm not even mad. Thank you, sir
you cracked the code!!
“You were an accident... you were an accident...”
@@DrCrowPHD it's more like "it was an accident"
FUCK YOU GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Nah, I still prefer the guy with a stethoscope and extremely good hearing.
I really like that sticker above the ITL-2000 that looks like a store front it is neat and looks as though it is part of the machine .
I was expecting it to use special sensors to detect the right numbers by feel or sound not by going through every number; no wonder it takes so long.
having a proper brute force machine to fall back on if smart methods fail is a good thing.
Same
Gotta think about the application this is used in. It's almost certainly used exclusively by people who need to crack a safe they either forget the combination to, or acquired it locked to begin with. As such the times it's needed are very rarely, therefore speed isn't really much of a concern as you just set it to run then go on with your day, and come back when it's finished.
This is called brute forcing
@@kendarr this isn't brute force by any means. When you review safes and their ratings (including the locks used on them) they are rated against surreptitious entry (entry without leaving physical evidence) and forced entry (clear evidence of entry). In this case no "force" is used and if you were to have performed this "surreptitiously" no one would be the wiser once you walked away.
(Edit: post-midnight comments and autocorrect don't mix...)
Boyhood dream come true. I did indeed assume this was only ever seen in my movies and fictitious until recently.
By the time someone got a Arduino to tune a guitar... then again the hours this machine takes does match the reality of not having your cake and eating it too.
This type of lock is actually the first I learned to open by listening. It does take some skill, but I have to thank masterlock for making those small dial locks for me to practice on. Might actually try to find or buy one. Much easier than picking, though I can do both at a novice level (paperclip)
Listening to a master brand lock and an S&G high end series lock are two totally different things.
I made one of these a while ago and It works. I used a stepper motor, Arduino, and 3d printed enclosure with a 16x2 lcd screen. The only problem is getting the magnets to stick to the safe and keeping the Arduino turned on
This is when i realize that the grading on the dial are just for show. The spacing between possible positions is way more that 1.
Your observation is correct.
It is possible to manufacture this kind of lock with tighter tolerances (which would also makes it less forgiving when you are legit, know the combination and just try to dial it in with clumsy hands).
I presume that for most dial locks, you just need to try 50 of the 100 positions. So just 125,000 possible combination for a three disc lock (instead of the 1,000,000 one might expect).
I guess the usual fix is not to apply tighter tolerances but to add another disc. 50^4 gives you 6,250,000 possible combinations.
Oh, well, my bad. Of course one number must be outside the 0-30 or 0-35 region. so the number of possible combinations is actually only two thirds of the numbers given above.
The ITL-2000: “Whirr, click, whirr, click, “
The Floppotron: “That’s not a song!”
Man of culture!
We had a safe dialer similar to that at the federal government where I worked, 30 years ago. It worked very well back then.
Love the sounds that it makes.
Just use a payday drill
*Drill jammed for the 5th time*
DAMN WANKAH!
*AVG TIME TO PICK LOCK*
LPL: 30 seconds
Machine: 30 Hours
Well LPL doesn't try literally every number.
@@MisterJackTheAttack shhh dont be a dark cloud an a post thats ment to make people laugh
sooo true
So AI still has some catching up to do to match (much less beat) Biological Intelligence...
I think probably more like 30minuites for LPL.
Harkens back to the scene in "Her Majesty's Secret Service" with George Lazenby as 007.
There is a major vulnerability point with the S&G safes. It was my first safe that I cracked. I drilled a hole in the back of the safe and inserted a camera with a magnetic head on it and put it on the key hole that resets the combination. This reset is 5 numbers off and you are able to get the combo from the last number to the first when looking through the hole by rotating it through the cycle. Then compensate for the 5 number off set and you have the combination. If you have ever reset you will know what I mean by the 5 number off set. It's what that other white notch is for on top of the dial.
But considering most vaults have an exterior and interior door plate, and are also not something you're ever going to be able to drill from behind, that's not really that major of a flaw, since you would never be able to get the camera in from the rear that way, and even if you could, you'd never be able to see the lock anyhow.
The gradually decreasing tempo! How soothing. I dozed off to sleep, listening this machine at work.
I fell asleep after 0:59, woke again at 2:32 lol.
Brute force: Strip the safe out of its encasing with a chain attached to a pickup, use a grinder to finish the job.
@@soundspark Sure, brute force does fail occasionally
@@uthoshantm nope, just need a bigger truck
This was the idea behind my engineering college project. Safe was heavy enough to resist being moved, even at a small size. Sandwiched an extreme abrasion and heat resistant ceramic tile between mild and hardend steel. Thickness was such that an average sized grinder could not penetrate deep enough. You absolutely could get in, but the goal was to make it either not worth it or risk having the contents destroyed in the process. If the person was not aware of the design of the safe they faced it would prove to be very difficult. It was actually built and tested. The tester had a reason to get in. His Christmas present was inside. He failed after two hours with power tools.
@@andrewt.5567 The safe WAS the Christmas gift. Seriously, a high end safe should also have a high end locking mechanism, otherwise what's the point?
I know you americans also allowed to have shitty safes. But in other countries this may not work, because there are regulations, that you can pull out a safe with a truck.
The robot’s got some serious rhythm.
I'd love to see this guy at work on a safe a work colleage had. It had four lock barrels arranged in a square on the front door, a,b,c,d, it came with 2 keys, 1 and 2. Each key had 2 sets of 6 fingers? on opposite sides of the shaft. To open the safe you had to put 1 of the keys into the correct barrel and turn 180 degrees in the correct direction and leave it in. Then the next key went into a second barrel and turn 180 degrees in the correct direction. The door could then be opened with the handle. Even if you had both keys, if you put the wrong key in the wrong lock first or turned it in the wrong direction, the door wouldn't open. Even if you guessed correct with the first key, get something wrong with the second and the door would not open. Then the first key was retained within the lock and could only be released by the owner taking the second key, (which was never trapped), placing it in one of the 3 now available barrels, and turning in the correct direction. I watched this safe being opened just once and it was done so quickly, I could never have remembered the sequence. There was the option to change the unlocking sequence, but it being a solely mechanical device, I imagine it was a complicated business.
*It Sounded Like:*
"Gotta get in to this"
"Gotta get in to this"
"Gotta get in to this"
That's what I'd be saying, too.
Now I can't get it out my mind
😂😂😂😂
"Maybe we flip for this"
Can not be unheard...
So funny
So, on other videos, we see that this device opens a safe apparently by trying every possible combination. That's what I call brute force.
I call it patience.
@@christiangeiselmann It's literally the impatient way to brute force crack the combination..
I just love the sound it makes.
AW MAN! This brings back memory's of math class and learning algorithms. the lock machine was going through every odd number first then every even number. Now I'm trying to remember what that process was called.
This is wrong, the gates are big enough that 19 and 20 will both get the right answer.
So what the process was called ? :)
alternatively, you just spin the entire mechanism at a couple thousand RPM and wear it out
Would that unlock the safe though?
That would be very easy to accomplish.
Crawl IntoTheCalm not really that easy lol
@@intothecalm420 it wouldn't. before you would open the safe with that you would friction weld it all together.
@@Smittel Huh... What if you freeze it?
P. S. Am I hired?
@@VI-pp4jo You might be able to break the combination lock that way. Unfortunately, it would also break the mechanism which keeps some spring loaded arms in position (heat and deformation will break it as well). The arms will then move from the ordinary position into a position which will keep the door shut. Really shut. Shut in the sense that even the locks are overruled and cannot be used to open the door any more. You will then need to cut the door (or the walls) into pieces (which might take days, and is noisy).
This is the best content on CZcams by a country mile.
I can listen to this guy all day everyday.
I want to see the 8 hour video of this thing cracking a safe.
I also want that manipulation trainer, it would be a great fidgeting doodad.
Dont take one from people who will actually use it because you want a toy you will get bored of in a day
@@mothlastname2413 You know, I had no intention of entering whatever contest Bosnian Bill is running... until your comment.
I think youtube will allow you to upload a ten hour long video. Someone should post the entire video.
"I'm not going to make an eight hour video". Excuse me but this is what we subscribed for. Don't get lazy now you have a gold button.
the sound it makes is kinda relaxing in my opinion
Thanks for this video the sounds that thing makes is very satisfying
I’d love to see more locks like this and how they work.