Well done Cip! She seemed resistant, but receptive to the info you gave them. Personally these type of people are the ones I struggle the most with. They are technically polite, but they exploit politeness to get out of uncomfortable conversations. It almost feels wrong for me to actually hold them accountable because I do no want to come across as aggressive or preachy. At the same time I don't want them to continue using ignorance as a excuse to not take responsibility for the harm they are causing to innocent sentient animals.
I know what you mean. They were polite, yeah. That day I remember being pushy with people and it not panning out and then I was more lenient and it felt better. But, it’s a small opening. Maybe I could’ve pushed more with them, but I guess the previous experiences made me feel like I shouldn’t. Only looking back now I notice it. Vegan activism is hard also because of context, I guess 🤷♂️ but, what matters is that you go out there and you talk to them. Some conversations end up better than others and you learn
Sometimes you can break through the polite facade by having a conversation about the conversation. Something like, "you seem like you have a good heart, but I can sense that you don't intend to walk away from this conversation and become vegan right now. What I hope is that we planted a seed here, that you will think about the connection between the choices you make and the animals who are abused and slaughtered for your consumption, the connection between the values you say you have and how to put those values into practice through your actions. I don't know if you can imagine yourself in the future, maybe a year from now, thinking about that connection and living a life free of animal exploitation, and looking back on this moment as having been the start of it."
Oh yes “I completely get what you’re saying but I can’t go vegan because the word vegan has negative connotations”….Nothing disingenuous going on here…but you made the points clearly and I trust the message will take root now.
Why is it so inconveniente for the majority of people to be vegan , it's just so easy . It's always about taste pleasure and often don't even contemplate on the awful suffering and abuse that animals have to go through .
no. The vegan diet is unhealthy and meat eaters have the best health while living the longest. That and vegan food sucks. This is why vegans spend hours in the kitchen trying to make they garbage food taste like meat, dairy, and eggs.
Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking about the labels. I was thinking about probably commenting it. Then you popped up on the screen with the additional adjustment. I even recently heard people say we should make adjustments for people who don't want to be fully 100% plant-based and still be able to call herself vegan because they're mostly vegan.
@@veganpowerlab I know right they were trying to tell me it would get more people into the movement and I'm like. It would dilute the message. And I had people say well people who are not for animal rights and don't care about it but are plant-based why can't we call them vegans. They said you know then maybe as they get in the club they'll learn more about it. And I'm like no it's not like that. Because it goes against what define a vegan. And to be honest I'd rather someone be plant-based eating an omnivorous or carnivore diet. They said well then why don't you let them call themselves vegan so they feel good about it and they can learn about veganism more later give them something to feel good about .. I said wouldn't it be the same thing like you're talking about start up like a reward graduating system wouldn't it be the same thing if we said first step you can be plant-based next step you can be vegan. It's just literally calling it what it is
Exploiting animals is immoral. Veganism is the compassionate choice. I hope they decide to make that compassionate choice soon! BTW, I am totally cool with being labeled vegan. 😁 Great conversation Cip! 🌞🌱💯💚
I'll never get tired of saying "Great outreach Cip!" I think you pushed them as much as you could without scaring them away. I also liked your quick rant. I understand what you mean about being proud of being vegan but I see it a little differently. Wrt animal exploitation, carnists ought to be ashamed, vegans shouldn't be ashamed, and people who go above and beyond just being vegan (by doing outreach, rescuing shelter animals, working at a sanctuary, etc.) are the ones who should be proud. Imo being veganism is just the moral baseline, the minimum, the starting point. 🌱💚
@@veganpowerlab The reason I ask is because I want to talk about SMART goals. They are Specific, Measureable, Attainable, Realistic, and Time-Limited. "Stopping animal exploitation" isn't specific (do you mean all animal exploitation on the planet, no exceptions? Do you mean converting one person a week to veganism?). Since the goal isn't specific, it's hard to measure. I could come up with half a dozen metrics like the percentage of animals on farms that are abused, the percent of people's diets that are meat-based, the amount of animals raised per year for the purpose of slaughter, etc., but without a specific goal, we don't know what to measure. There's actually not much point in talking about the other aspects if the goal isn't specific.
Well done Cip! She seemed resistant, but receptive to the info you gave them.
Personally these type of people are the ones I struggle the most with. They are technically polite, but they exploit politeness to get out of uncomfortable conversations. It almost feels wrong for me to actually hold them accountable because I do no want to come across as aggressive or preachy. At the same time I don't want them to continue using ignorance as a excuse to not take responsibility for the harm they are causing to innocent sentient animals.
I know what you mean. They were polite, yeah. That day I remember being pushy with people and it not panning out and then I was more lenient and it felt better.
But, it’s a small opening. Maybe I could’ve pushed more with them, but I guess the previous experiences made me feel like I shouldn’t. Only looking back now I notice it.
Vegan activism is hard also because of context, I guess 🤷♂️ but, what matters is that you go out there and you talk to them. Some conversations end up better than others and you learn
Sometimes you can break through the polite facade by having a conversation about the conversation. Something like, "you seem like you have a good heart, but I can sense that you don't intend to walk away from this conversation and become vegan right now. What I hope is that we planted a seed here, that you will think about the connection between the choices you make and the animals who are abused and slaughtered for your consumption, the connection between the values you say you have and how to put those values into practice through your actions. I don't know if you can imagine yourself in the future, maybe a year from now, thinking about that connection and living a life free of animal exploitation, and looking back on this moment as having been the start of it."
At no point did they show real concern or empathy for animals.
On fire Cip!!! 💚✨💚🌿🙌
Great !
I caught this late but it's a good convo as always 😊
Thank you so much. It felt like they understood veganism. I hope they have the courage to change
Oh yes “I completely get what you’re saying but I can’t go vegan because the word vegan has negative connotations”….Nothing disingenuous going on here…but you made the points clearly and I trust the message will take root now.
Fantastic. Thank you.💚💚💚
Why is it so inconveniente for the majority of people to be vegan , it's just so easy .
It's always about taste pleasure and often don't even contemplate on the awful suffering and abuse that animals have to go through .
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no. The vegan diet is unhealthy and meat eaters have the best health while living the longest. That and vegan food sucks. This is why vegans spend hours in the kitchen trying to make they garbage food taste like meat, dairy, and eggs.
@GarudaLegends are those evidence based statements?
@@GarudaLegendsRidiculous disengenuous comments.
"I get a lot of comfort from eating tortured animals" If you just find-and-replace some of what carnists say it sounds insane
Exactly! It’s insane that they don’t wanna see the real perspective
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Meatless Mondays (like she said), is just like saying, “I’m only going to beat my six days a week but not on Mondays!!!” Ugh 😣 🤦♀️
Indeed. It’s ridiculous. It’s clear that they lack motivation, which is sad. But, maybe one seed at a time they realize they don’t have to be violent
Great job cip ❤
Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking about the labels. I was thinking about probably commenting it. Then you popped up on the screen with the additional adjustment. I even recently heard people say we should make adjustments for people who don't want to be fully 100% plant-based and still be able to call herself vegan because they're mostly vegan.
That would be extra ridiculous for someone to call themselves vegan when they still support animal exploitation.
@@veganpowerlab I know right they were trying to tell me it would get more people into the movement and I'm like. It would dilute the message. And I had people say well people who are not for animal rights and don't care about it but are plant-based why can't we call them vegans. They said you know then maybe as they get in the club they'll learn more about it. And I'm like no it's not like that. Because it goes against what define a vegan. And to be honest I'd rather someone be plant-based eating an omnivorous or carnivore diet. They said well then why don't you let them call themselves vegan so they feel good about it and they can learn about veganism more later give them something to feel good about .. I said wouldn't it be the same thing like you're talking about start up like a reward graduating system wouldn't it be the same thing if we said first step you can be plant-based next step you can be vegan. It's just literally calling it what it is
Exploiting animals is immoral. Veganism is the compassionate choice. I hope they decide to make that compassionate choice soon! BTW, I am totally cool with being labeled vegan. 😁 Great conversation Cip! 🌞🌱💯💚
Of course you’re cool with the label, Donna! You’re just cool 😎
You were brilliant as always Cip💗💗
Im from North Carolina :)
Animals are here with us not for us 🐮🐷💖
I'll never get tired of saying "Great outreach Cip!" I think you pushed them as much as you could without scaring them away.
I also liked your quick rant. I understand what you mean about being proud of being vegan but I see it a little differently. Wrt animal exploitation, carnists ought to be ashamed, vegans shouldn't be ashamed, and people who go above and beyond just being vegan (by doing outreach, rescuing shelter animals, working at a sanctuary, etc.) are the ones who should be proud. Imo being veganism is just the moral baseline, the minimum, the starting point.
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I think that being vegan in a nonvegan world can be difficult too. So, you should proudly wear that label! 🤗💚
Nothing to be ashamed of with animal agriculture....
@@erickgreen2361 there's no shame in exploiting those who are weaker than us?
@@jayeshpatel9854 Animal agriculture isn't exploitation since it is the proper use of an animal. Those below serve those above, this is the law....
@@erickgreen2361 are there any other examples you can think of where people said that?
Amazing work!!!!! Thank you!
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
Good job and comment at the end!
"it's not about supporting veganism.
It's about not supporting animal exploitation"
Very well said, Cip
Thank you 🤗💚 i hope they act
What is the goal of your activism and how close are you to achieving it?
Stopping animal exploitation. Well, slowly, I hope so
@@veganpowerlab The reason I ask is because I want to talk about SMART goals. They are Specific, Measureable, Attainable, Realistic, and Time-Limited. "Stopping animal exploitation" isn't specific (do you mean all animal exploitation on the planet, no exceptions? Do you mean converting one person a week to veganism?). Since the goal isn't specific, it's hard to measure. I could come up with half a dozen metrics like the percentage of animals on farms that are abused, the percent of people's diets that are meat-based, the amount of animals raised per year for the purpose of slaughter, etc., but without a specific goal, we don't know what to measure. There's actually not much point in talking about the other aspects if the goal isn't specific.
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@veganpowerlab how are you so muscular. I am recently going from vegetarian to vegan and would like to fit like you. Please share your diet
Awesome conversation Cip!!!