Making the Most OVERKILL NAS - Testing 8TB SSD Cache, 10Gbit LAN, 72TB!!
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This has been something I've been scared to do, but finally did... I built a NAS. Ugreen sponsored the video, but maannn I was gonna do this anyway so I was like "sick". NAS's are extremely useful for backing things up, making a vast, central storage system, and to run any personal server-related things at all times. They are also extremely customizable and can be very budget-friendly.
So we took this thing- maxed out the RAM, went to 10Gbit network, gave it 72TB, and used SSDs to basically eliminate any issues that hard drives have. I honestly love this thing and since you can customize SO much and is SO easy to set up- I think a NAS is a great solution for almost anyone, especially when you can share it with others. It's awesome and I hope you enjoy!
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0:00- I'm Scared...
1:54- What is NAS?
3:40- NAS is whatever you want it to be mannn
4:30- Setting up the NAS is ez
8:48- Upgrading to 10Gbit NETWORKING!
13:46- 10Gbit is WILD
15:45- 64 GB of RAM might be too much lol
19:15- SSD Cache
22:20- HDDs plus SSDs is bonkers
26:02- Everything a NAS can do - Věda a technologie
Sorry Jake
What is your sexuality?
rip jake
love jake
@@RohanSanjith Computers
@@RohanSanjith weird question
i feel like ugreen have been sponsoring every youtuber on the planet rn
with their nas thingy
They fr are
They’re giving out some sweet deals to creators, good on you for taking the easy bag
Guy is financed by a Chinese megacorp and still has the balls to call his viewers poor in the video. 20:23
i feel like ugreen only got popular after the whole anker security breach and everyone boycotting the brand. i’ve known ugreen for a long time, but it’s weird that they only got the chance to take anker’s spot after the breach.
A few points: RAID 5 is unsafe with large (> a few TB) drives, which makes it effectively obsolete. If you lost one, you would be unlikely to be able to rebuild the array without encountering a read error on one of the remaining drives. RAID 5 is also always unsafe without a battery-backed write cache. RAID 6 or RAID 10 would have been a better choice here. They would also give much better write performance.
This info is already in the video
@@M_CFVNot really. You didnt read what Alpha wrote and what he said in the video
Ah yes, RAID Shadow Legends 5 is unsafe
by similar logic, RAID6 and RAID10 is also obsolete, because rebuild is even slower while likehood of more than 2 drives failing isn't zero either;
RAID is not a backup, it's to minimize downtime in case of disk failure
@@TazzSmk During a rebuild you're reading from multiple drives, writing data back to one drive. Meaning that there is absolutely no time difference, in rebuilding an RAID5 vs an RAID6 array.
That said, a rebuild on large capacity drive can take multiple days. This means that a RAID5 setup isn't redundant anymore during these days of high disk load on the remaining drives. Most people bought the drives at the same time, meaning all drives have the same on-time and wear, making it likely that a second drive is about to fail at any moment now. Yes you're correct about RAID not being a backup, having two storage setups becomes however very expensive, very fast! That's why most people only have one NAS, using set device as 'the backup'... Not perfect, but better than a single external HDD...
My storage setup consists of an intel i3-8300 CPU with 40GB DDR4. There are 6x18TB drives in it, with a RAID6 setup. This gives me about 71TB in usable storage on my local NAS. My offsite backup server consists out of an very old I7-920 with 21GB DDR3. There are 6x3TB drives in it, also in a RAID6 configuration. This gives the backup server about 11TB of storage. My backup server being smaller, means that only my most important files have an offsite backup. The setup synchronizes automatically each day at 5 pm. Sure I could increase the storage of my backup server, but that would cost me another 2k USD in drives. I usually wait a couple of years until my main NAS's storage is full, then clone everything to an even larger storage, after which I repurpose the old drives as backup storage.
Such drives are always handy to preserve relevant CZcams channels, just to reupload, once content is getting lost
Bro used the Hard G less than a min in
😳
I've been using NAS for the last 10 years. It makes my life so much easier and faster. The fact that I don't need to remember where I have a file og a movie since it's all on the NAS is great and I can access it from anywhere. Currently I'm still on an old Synology NAS from 2016 but thinking of upgrading in the future. It works so I'm not in a hurry.
This is more helpful than many NAS videos on YT. well done and well deserved.
Great video Vex. Really appreciate your content I listen to after work. One day I'm going to buy a killer gaming rig for Star Citizen and your content is helping me alot. Thanks again!
love your enthusiasm you remind me of how i was in the late 90's and throughout the 00's keep up the good work matey
I love how your videos evolved
This is one of your best vids so far, very cool process and im tempted to get one. The 6 bay having a much stronger CPU is tempting
14:34 that image is pure perfection lol
this video was very informative and very cool. I can finally see why it can be useful and awesome to have. I kinda wish I had one now 😅
This review has been the best one I’ve seen so far.. thanks mate.. it’s just a shame that Australia isn’t on the pre-order list!
that speed drop is the cache of the drives is being used up. at first its fast but then it slows because you are limited by the write speeds to the drive vs writing to the cache
Probably your best vlog to date.
vex, congrats you deserve all these subscribers!
Just Subscribed This was an amazing video Vex :)
Its super cool to see how quality and your content are changing over time
you're doing good mate, keep it sick!
I got that same Zyxel switch.
But the one with 2xSFP+ Port
The one disadvantage for me is the power consumption.
Its like 2x of any other switch.
I have backed the 6-bay and 8-bay UGreen NAS on Kickstarter. I already have a 10GbE network and been using NAS'es for years (Synology ones). Can hardly wait to get mine! 😁
I got a 2 disk Synology running since 2014. Still recieving updates for it. Thats important for me when choosing a NAS
I've tried used drives a couple times, NEVER again... I've yet to have one last longer than a few months in a NAS...
Hey Vex. Could this also be use a recording drive? Suppose I want to record a game, could I just hook it via usb/gigabit and choose it as a recording drive in obs?
and your is on the internet but for downloading or upload stuff to the internet but if you upload data from your PC to the NAS it will be on your local network which only can be acceessed if you open the port for it so that port can be acessed anywhere if you hvae internet on the NAS and the client(The PC or laptop) to do this securely make a VPN port forword the port and set it to not have a dymainic ip address it changes when your network goes down or it gets disconned and set it to a static local/private ip address so it doesnt change and connect to it from another network like airport wifi and you can access your local stuff on your local ip
the pokemon music at 0:30 I know got recommended to you a million times. it did for me. good choice.
I pre ordered the 6bay version, can't decide what hdds to get.
May just get used/recertified... 4x Seagate Exos 14-18TB in raid 6.
How loud would you say is the nas and do you have it set to go into idle/low power mode?
Good stuff.
Use iperf3 to test the raw connection speed between 2 devices.
If you use Linux use NFS instead of SMB, SMB sucks.
Really recommend RAID 10 with as much space as you have!!! RAID 5 will have terrible rebuild times and write performance. 😁👍
This is great. Camera guy is hilarious btw
love ugreen
Which model is your main screen?
LOL, I just assembled my NAS. Just gotta get it set up. Funny timing with this video. Of course, my NAS does use 4TB hard drives. I ain't got the scratch for the larger drives.
What video editing software you using?
This kids editing is on point.
Can you access a nas from another network like the nas is at home and I’m at college on WiFi in a class?
But what if the NAS itself fails? Can you put the drives into another computer/NAS and read all the data without breaking the RAID configuration?
LACP cannot do link aggregation between ports of different speeds. So just stick with the 10Gbe port like you did. I went with Synology because they have a better software suite but if you don't need all that the Ugreen will do fine. If the Ugreen can do iSCSI, you can also put your Steam library on it. (iSCSI shows up as a local disk in Windows)
Actually, it can, but it has to be configured as active/passive and to favor one of them. So he could do an LACP configuration that favored the 10g link, with the 2.5g as the fallback in case the 10g fails. Not a typical use case, however.
How do you do cashing?
Bro can we can get a greyzone warfare gpu video?
So...could you install steam games on the NAS and it loads just as fast as inside your computer if you have an SSD cache???
Mhhhh. Kinda. As far as I know one can build a steam library on the NAS only if using iSCSI and SMB. Regarding speed it will be slower, nvme drives reach 4GB/s without much effort, this will still be limited to 1GB/s in the best case scenario. But I don't know how much of a difference that would do for gaming
you saying 72 tbs is overkill :me with 180 tbs 💀
I've been doing this a long time (first computer had 1K memory and a hex keyboard and display). I am still not jaded. If that NAS was mine I'd have used RAID6. The chance that a second disk will fail when recovering from a failure is bigger than you would expect. Consider that during a rebuild all used blocks on the surviving drives need to be readable. There is a fair chance that at least one will have problems...
Cool video! The NAS looks nice. I wish hard drives would drop in price. My biggest at the moment are two 16 TB Seagate and I'm running low on storage, but I currently run three backups over those two drives and two 4x drive USB based DAS devices with smaller drives running RAID 5. Saving video projects is a big expense. 😅😥
That Jake segment genuinely took me out bro lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣SUBBED!!!!
Also, as an editor for an events space, I've acquired now 80TB of total storage on my work rig. It's fucking ridiculous.
Every remember to do 3-2-1 style backups. At least 3 copies, at least 2 diffent types of media, and at least 1 copy off site. Don't risk only having the data on you NAS.
I recently built my NAS Server and I ran into a slight issue. with over 5TB of data while backed up on the NAS with 35Mbps upload speeds, getting that data out of my house and into a remote storage server as a backup of a backup of a backup takes what I like to say is forever! lol
Cool NAS and all, but you HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT KEYBOARD THAT IS. Looks frikkin' awesome.
Literally just a $50 red dragon keyboard called the “K668”. Nothing crazy and it’s pretty nice to type one- lot better than I had before
@@vextakes id check that, look great for keybaord modding
Hi Vex, I think you've made a mistake. @ 23:03 You have the SSD cache of 3710.8GBs usable set to 2800GBs. The message says that you'd need to allocate at least 80% of the SSD to cache to prevent data loss. So you should have put in the value of at least 2968.64GBs or to be safe, an even 3000GBs and have the 710.8GBs remaining for faster APP loading.
"Jake" changed my life
How dare you assume how much storage is more than we need. Rocking 140tb here and out of space almost
The transfer speed from and to the nas are bottlenecked by your disks. Mechanical drives cant do much more than what you get at 14.05, even in raid 5. Even in raid 0! And the port at the end of your switch is a SFP port meant for fiber optic cables :)
72TB ... Hummmmm Depends on how big your Gentlemen's Photography Collection is ? ? lol ....
You mean homework folder
Po... Pokemon Series
Hen... Henry Ford Biography
Your Mo... Monumentary documentation
Next Oscar owner no doubt
if the raid drive dies all your data is gone
Now get a big external HDD, connect it to the NAS and set up a crucial data (periodical) backup.
72 TB is not Overkill that's just a starting point, there's no such thing as too much storage. However there are way better NAS devices from better companies on the market but I am curious since you have the NAS from Ugreen could you do a video where you dump the units firmware?
Love the intro ❤
Have a good one. Peace.
13:03
1 Gigabit = 125 Megabyte if anyone wondering.
"that ginger guy"
lmaoooo
And when it breaks it's proprietary and you basically can do little to help with that.
That twang leaking out.
how tall are you? 😁
11:59 Where did you get that diagram? Because it's wrong. That's not what LAG means. LAG (Link AGgregation) is to make your network connection redundant, so if a port or network cable breaks (cut, shorts out, etc.) you don't lose connection. It doesn't double up the throughput at all. So 12:05 note on screen is wrong. It'll either be 2.5G or 10G, not 12.5G. At best, if setup for this, it can balance the network traffic in such a way to guarantee the port bandwidth. (i.e., if you have 2 ports bonded together at 2.5G speed, if setup correctly, the host can send 1.25G of data down each port, thus achieving the 2.5G speed.)
The Ugreen kickstarter thing for this product is shady to me
Took ages before You figured out that you need BOTH ways very fast SSD or M.2 AND raid HDD to fully utilize 10Gbit lan :D
I build same thing on my Synology NAS: PC has Gen5 M.2 i know overkill and copying to nas pretty much hits the limit of 10G lan around 1gb/s
RAID 5 with 18TB HDDs scares me...
Want this and I literally have no reason for it... God damn it, am I going to have to become a video editor to literally justify having this set up?!
Vex: most people don't really need 64 gb ram, 8tb cache and 50 tb storage backup. Its definitely unnessasary.
also vex: does it anyways while shaming his pc. (tbh he does this every video lmao)
I felt real pain when you dropped the new switch
because second hand spinning hard disks are super reliable 😂
so if you have over 8000MB/s external network then "faster". 64Gbps but no. I rather run 4x 8GB/s m.2 raid SSD. oh so my precious data. how about blu-ray roms for backups. raid is not a backup. and you can redo everything if you lose everything.
Bro is gambling his data hard, with these used seagate drives
Certified refurbished is legit.
@@christophermullins7163yeah I got one a couple months ago and it's working great
I salute you for sitting through all the cringe that is Linus Tech Tips so that the rest of us don't have to.
There is nothing wrong with your 18 TB drives. The16.4 TB is the formatted size.
This video is funny. But maybe you would have done it little more serious. THere is no point of 4 drive NAS if you intend to put a sensitive data in it as you mentioned in the beginning of the video. For a reliable NAS which you can trust you have to make at least RAIDz2 or RAID6 and this needs at least 6 drives to be justified. I wonder where did you get this switch you put of use and how much it cost ?
I can never understand people not using the right ethernet cable or even knowing what to use (not in this case, on a short run it's fine). Like how even tech people don't really undestand lan cables. I know it usually still works, but the day it is not working right and when you are having weird problems you gonna be mad and exhausted after probably multiple really long troubleshooting sessions. And than most go buy some "quality" CAT 7 or 8 cable with rj45 even though rj45 doesn't even support the specifications the cables support (GG45 does) and think they got the best stuff, even though they've been ripped off. I just don't get it.
12:43 xD
20:23 huh?
You made the noobie NAS mistake though, 4 bays isn't enough, You might think it is now but give it a few years!
8 bays is the way to go, Don't have to fill all the HDD bays at once, Add later.
nah, with his "fast moving channel" he will feel the need to upgrade the NAS before running out of storage. Also, they are not cheap
It's cheaper to do it from the start, I learned the hard way.
Cost me more later on when I ran out of space.
filling the storage is an adiction and I recognize it
@@frankyfreestyle8400 my brother from another motha! I feel the same way and yet I ask myself... How will AI be better?
@@0ppaiDragon I don't know
I want one.
40 terabytes... This sounds like the start of a bad news story... 😰
72tb... thats cute...
Jackpot triple 7 on likes.
Wellcome to NAS clubu You nooooob 😂❤🎉🎉🎉
UGreen be pushing hard these products :)) Every other TechTuber got one :))
They've been good with the cables though. Ngl
Hope they fix their wonky software
You are rich man, even one 4TB SSD is too expensive for me, even one 10TB+ is sooo expensive.
Fr I just bought a 150 2 tb drive and I thought that was expensive
Dude impressed with 1gb sec when nvme can achieve 7
Are you daft? The entire point of setting all this up is that thats the transfer speed of HDD'S, WIRELESSLY. Thanks to the NAS with upgraded RAM and 2 NVME's for read/write cache. HDD's are insanely cheaper than NVME's, and having this speed wirelessly is insane
@@M_CFV makes sense
Raid 5 with spinning rust is very very stupid lol
spinning disks aren't future proof, they're slow AF
w video
Meanwhile, me having 47Tb out of 99 used :,
I'm afraid of HDDs, though. I've never owned one that didn't die lol. Even now, I have some HDD's (2x7200RPM Seagate 7200.14's in RAID 0 that hit around 380MB/s read speeds and 1x WD Blue "5400-5700 RPM" that was for storage). Bad sectors? Yes. All of 'em.
Drives that died in the past? All of 'em. 7 or 8x at least.
SSD's? Shiiii.... I got an OLD 120GB SSD in here that still maxes out the S-ATA III speeds of 550MB/s read and 500 MB/s write. No issues. It's like 6-7 years old. Maybe 8. I'm bad with time.
My NAS would HAVE to be SSD or M.2 NVME.
BUT.. at least with a massive RAID 0+1 set up, you won't lose data WHEN you get that drive that starts dying. Or however you're setting it up, I'm still watching. I love the idea of a NAS. I love networking. Plus, I only have one slot left for a drive on my motherboard. I've got 3x SSD's, 3x HDD's (so, all 6x SATA ports used) and I have 1 of 2 M.2 NVME slots in use. Plan on throwing a 980 Pro or 990 something or other into my PCI-e 4.0 x4 M.2 slot at some point soon.
Why? Slow internet. Deleting a game means I have a 6-10 hour download on those 80GB-130GB+ games we got out there.
Plus I have 5x security cameras all recording to my dying WD Blue HDD, a few games I rarely play and a bunch of movies and music.
But I don't like "working" on that drive, I move recorded gameplay footage to an SSD and use Handbrake, encode it, then move it to the WD Blue 3TB, upload to CZcams, no one sees it, I end up deleting it anyways because I try and keep 400GB free space on it. I mean, I can either record 2 weeks of footage or a month's worth of footage. I have it set to overwrite at a certain drive space left.
I'd want to NAS with 2TB or 4TB M.2 NVMEs. I feel like they'd last a decade without any issues. Sure, I couldn't hit the potential max speeds over network, so SSD's would also be fine, but they cost the same, so why not lol?
Okay, there's RAM in that NAS box? Alright alright alright.... I can see HDD's working well with a lot of RAM. I still just have an icky relationship with HDD's.
If you have a NAS you need to delete some data 😂
Just get cloud backup.
NAS doesn't help if your house burns down or it gets nicked.
bro didnt have a NAS Build your own use a old UEFI System you can even use a laptop but any device you chose has to have UEFI and GPT Drive support and 1024 MB is 1 GB and 8 Gbps is 1GB/s not 1025 MB
"Recertified Seagate"
Yikes.
Nah they work great
"what is interesting about nazis"
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