The Science of Consciousness w/ Dr. Bala Subramaniam, Harvard Consciousness Researcher
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*Introduction & Disclaimer:* 00:01:27
*Guest Introduction - Dr. Bala Subramaniam:* 00:01:54
*Membership Announcement:* 00:02:42
*Dr. Subramaniam's Background:* 00:04:45
*Meditation & Consciousness Research:* 00:06:47
- Cognitive Prehabilitation: 00:08:09
- Neuroinflammation and Cognitive Reserve: 00:09:46
*Defining Consciousness:* 00:11:17
- Glasgow Coma Scale & Wakefulness: 00:11:46
- Content & Awareness: 00:13:24
*Eastern vs. Western Perspectives on Consciousness:* 00:14:13
*Near-Death Experiences & Unexplained Phenomena:* 00:18:25
*Scientific Evidence & Subjective Experiences:* 00:19:30
*Non-Physical Dimensions & Meditation Experiences:* 00:22:07
*Footprints of Consciousness:* 00:28:48
*Eastern vs. Western Views on Source of Consciousness:* 00:30:32
- Panpsychism: 00:32:07
*Consciousness as the Source of Energy Analogy:* 00:33:10
*Dr. K's Perspective on Hallucinations:* 00:34:24
*Detachment, Suffering & Mental Illness:* 00:34:39
- Thought Fusion: 00:35:15
- Continuum of Suffering to Joy: 00:37:28
- Moksha & Enlightenment: 00:37:36
- Psychedelic Experiences: 00:38:20
- Ego Death: 00:39:23
- Panic Attacks: 00:40:14
- Psychosis: 00:40:36
*Dr. Subramaniam's Comments on Detachment & Distance:* 00:42:24
*Thoughts & Neuroplasticity:* 00:46:09
*Free Will & Consciousness:* 00:54:40
*Audience Q&A:* 01:10:57
- Controlling Consciousness: 01:11:26
- Brain Activity & Consciousness Perception: 01:12:25
- Consciousness in All Organisms: 01:14:49
- Memory, Identity & Intellect: 01:16:42
- Intelligence vs. Intellect: 01:17:57
- Cosmic Intelligence & Mahat: 01:19:35
- Siddhis & Transcendent Insights: 01:20:59
- Distance vs. Dissociation: 01:23:17
- Purposeful Delusion for Happiness: 01:30:14
- Tranquility in Emergencies: 01:34:02
- Tom Brady Example: 01:35:25
- AI & Consciousness: 01:37:45
- Origin of Perception: 01:38:56
- Basis of Free Will: 01:42:28
- Meditation Experiences & Reality: 01:44:38
*Dr. Subramaniam's Closing Remarks & Resources:* 01:46:16
*Dr. K's Closing Remarks & Stream Summary:* 01:47:39
*Motivation & Free Will Discussion:* 01:52:32
- Motivation as a Driver: 01:53:22
- Seeking an Easy Life: 01:55:30
- The Price of Motivation: 02:02:22
- Unmotivation as the Solution: 02:02:52
*How to Unmotivate Yourself:* 02:04:49
- Observation & Consequences: 02:04:57
- Not Feeding Your Motivation: 02:07:52
- Avidya & Understanding Motivation: 02:12:13
- Repetition Compulsion: 02:16:05
- Known Evil vs. Unknown Good: 02:18:38
- Avidya & Self-Reflection: 02:19:28
*Closing Remarks & Upcoming Streams:* 02:23:20
Thank you. I was waiting for someone to do this
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I wish u the best!
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I first saw your videos when I was 18 years old; now I'm 19. Your video's helped me so much when I couldn't go to therapy; I learned so much about myself, and words can't describe how grateful I am that you put in the effort to make this all so accessible for all of us for free. it's so kind!
I'm really happy for you but your comment made me laugh; not 'at' you but just the time frame "I was 18, now I'm 19". It remained me of being that age and each year feeling way longer than it does now. I'm very glad you're on this journey :)
@@Narcissistic_Penguin bro just shut up
@@igo9481 my bad dude, didn't know we wen't allowed to comment in this comment section
@@Narcissistic_Penguin ‘I’m sorry bro. Didn’t know it was illegal to be an asshole in public here’ look in the mirror son.
If you're curious about the practice Dr. Bala and his wife have undertaken, it's called Inner Engineering by the Isha Foundation. It's available both online and in-person.
Isha foundation owned by scamguru sadhguru,.erm..say no more
It's kind of bullshit
And it makes me sad, I am from India and people know how much Sadhguru lies about things (supernatural claims about healing his asthama in an hour)
Go promote your daddy Sadhguru somewhere smh
@@rudeus6621 Losers can't tolerate winners
The idea of the mind and body as a perception organ for consciousness similar to eyes is such an impactful mental splash to me.
If you're interested this perspective, I'd recommend learning more about Phenomenology. It's an entire movement in philosophy that's been around for a little over a century now. The core idea is that our conscious self is born of our physical perceptions, which along with removing issues of dualism, allows for a whole new style of analysis.
Check out Bernardo Kastrup’s work.
Please do one where you do a deep dive into the more spiritual and esoteric side of things. And if you feel comfortable please share about your personal beliefs/experiences surrounding those topics as well. Loved the stream, would really love more of this type of stuff!
A lot of this he goes really deep into in the Membership lectures if you’re curious
@@AnTho98 Oh that's really cool thanks for letting me know! Do you know if any of it is available on youtube?
All of it is available on youtube but behind the memberships paywall
@@AnTho98 Alright gotcha, thanks for explaining! Might check that out if I get the chance
I’ve definitely found a lot of value from it particularly around the spiritual stuff
_Introduction & Disclaimer:_ 00:01:27
_Guest Introduction & Background:_ 00:04:45
_Dr. Subramaniam's Research:_ 00:06:47
- Cognitive Prehabilitation: 00:08:09
- Neuroinflammation & Cognitive Decline: 00:09:46
_Defining Consciousness:_ 00:11:17
- Medical Perspective & Glasgow Coma Scale: 00:11:23
- Wakefulness vs. Awareness: 00:13:24
- Eastern vs. Western Views: 00:14:13
_Brain as a Tool for Perception:_ 00:17:15
- The Telescope Analogy: 00:17:15
- Unexplainable Phenomena (Psychedelics, NDEs): 00:17:33
_Subjective Experience & Science's Limitations:_ 00:19:35
- Footprints of Consciousness: 00:28:48
_Non-Physical Dimensions & Meditation Experiences:_ 00:22:07
- Loss of Time & Space: 00:22:47
- States of Consciousness in Eastern Traditions: 00:23:17
_Detachment & Suffering:_ 00:34:24
- Thought Fusion & Mental Illness: 00:35:15
- Spectrum of Attachment/Detachment:
- Moksha/Enlightenment: 00:37:36
- Psychedelics & Ego Death: 00:39:23
- Emotionality & Panic Attacks: 00:39:47
- Psychosis: 00:40:09
_Understanding & Neuroplasticity:_ 00:46:09
- Yudhishthira & The Power of Thoughts: 00:46:30
- The Path to Subtleness & Conscious Action: 00:47:32
- Thought Empowerment & Manifestation: 00:48:09
- Neuroplasticity & Habit Formation: 00:50:18
_Free Will & Consciousness:_ 00:54:40
- Stephen Pinker & Compulsive Behavior: 00:54:59
- The Role of Memory: 00:57:26
- Potential for Free Will: 01:00:33
_The Spectrum of Consciousness in Organisms:_ 01:14:54
- Varying Levels of Awareness: 01:15:03
- The Role of Identity: 01:16:42
- Intellect vs. Intelligence: 01:17:57
_Distancing vs. Dissociation:_ 01:23:17
- The Traffic Analogy: 01:23:43
- Suppression vs. Addressing Root Cause: 01:24:41
- Hemispheric Lateralization & Neuroscience of Trauma: 01:25:36
- Flow State & Detachment: 01:26:58
_Meditation & Relationships:_ 01:28:20
- Study on Relationships & Social Engagement: 01:28:20
_Internal Tranquility & The Real World:_ 01:30:17
- The Cardiac Surgery Example: 01:34:02
- Tom Brady Analogy: 01:35:25
_Experiences & Neuronal Activity:_ 01:44:38
- Internal Transformation & Community Support: 01:44:51
_Motivation & Free Will:_ 01:52:32
- Motivation as a Driver vs. Free Will as Axiom: 01:53:22
- The Persona Analogy: 02:00:13
_How to Unmotivate:_ 02:04:49
- Observation & Monitoring Conflict: 02:04:57
- Not Feeding Your Motivation: 02:07:52
- Avidya/Ignorance & Understanding Mechanisms: 02:12:13
- The Alpha Male Example: 02:13:38
_Closing Remarks & Outro:_ 02:23:20
You are a gift from God
Wow thank you SO MUCH for using AI to farm likes one a CZcams video. AI director said this was 99.28% AI generated comment😂
Very interesting talk and great guest!
And man, Dr. K always finishes his streams with the biggest knowledge bombs. Always makes me think.
The discourse on motivation at the end is something I've been needing to hear. Thank you! 🙏🏼
Amazing conversation! Thank you Dr. Subramaniam as well as Dr.K😊
There is so much to unpack in this episode Great discussion! Thank you both for your insights.
This was great. it would be nice to see these types of interviews/discussions reoccur
Excellent interview with very interesting questions and points asked/made from both sides. Keep ‘em coming Dr. K!
On discipline lecture: I am not surprised that broker the records. I watched it close to 20 times. Loved it!
this was incredible. really opens up the possibilities for introspection and all that
Great talk wish it was longer haha
How you tied it together at the end was almost the best part of this
This is a great add on to your conversation with Dr Mike. Thanks for everything you do!
I really enjoyed this stream! Especially the openness on injuries during surgeries and intervention of them.
infectious vibe at the end! Let's keep on observing for ourselves
I absolutely loved this conversation with Dr. Bala
I really liked how you both used examples of being calm and tranquil to handle medical emergencies as best as possible. I never thought of that for myself and that will be useful for me to remember in my own life.
Loved this discussion!! More like this please 🙏🏻
Thank you for the interview, found this super interesting!
As Dr.K's namesake , every time when Dr Subramaniam says 'Alok' I felt the 4th wall break and my consciousness shook!
Actually say Alok twenty times, after few times continually, the meaning disappears
Not detachment but non-attachment.
That's how I remember it.
Very profound! Thank you.
Basically not running away, but being in the forefront, and satisfied with just being ourselves, nothing more , nothing less.
I found this fascinating and would love more videos like this.
Wow, you really love what you're doing, couldn't stop, could you. You're blessed. 🙏
One Love!
Always forward, never ever backward!!
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Finally! New horizons of scuence! The breaktgrough that will change everything!
Love your work Dr.K and Mr. Host!
Peace.
Why hasn't this showed up on my feed for 8 days😢!? This podcast was an epic listen!! Thank you so much Dr. K! Could you please enable podcast mode for your videos? We'll be able to access it via CZcams music app on audio and video if you did that.
Love these streams with experts in different fields related to mental health, thanks Dr. Subramaniam for coming on the channel!!!!!
This was a great live. One of the best yet imo.
damn, I would love a talk with sapolsky! I don't even study or work as a kind of profession for this area but I love hearing these kind of lectures
I am really impressed with Dr K and this guest. man
This interview is absolutely mindfulness 😊
you nail it every time dr k... continuous ah-ha moments the more i listen to you 🙏🙏
which types of mediation helped you to have deeper mystical insights? do you have a video or somewhere you can suggest i look online to find the practices?
I love the videos where you speak with experts
Great interview! Another great guest you could ask to have on the channel is @ForrestKnutson , a Kriya yogi, master meditator and youtuber who has published a wonderful book about learning to meditate. I think this community would benefit greatly in discovering this amazing person and it would make a fantastic conversation.
Loved the entire video, could you go deeper on Un-motivation and how to do it more efficiently? is it part of Dr.ks Guide? or is wrong-way motivation a side effect of trauma that will go away once one meditates and cures themselves?
He said something that is kind of a common incorrect thing in regard to light being a wave amd a particle. The reason it changes is because the only way we have to 'observe' is to actually interact with the light in some way that is what changes it. Its more than just simply looking.
4:50
Psychosis (opposite of moksha)
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1:29:30
Starts @ 1:26
Real start 4:39
I think the ability to imagine things is truly humanity's greatest strength. However it has come to be, it has brought humanity to where it is today.
I like how the colors match the CZcams disclaimer.
Such a great contrast to the Dr. Mike interview
great conversation! I think you’d be interested in Bernardo Kastrups view on consciousness, an interview with him would be awesome
In consciousness, the brain is like the piano. It has keys and sounds,and even melody. But above the melody, the energy beyond the physical. The composer of the music, that practices the beats on the piano’s keys.
Karl Friston and Michael Levin lectures on levels of consciousness and mind is everywhere is intriguing.
Thank you. Loved it.
Out of body experiences and all of that, could be more well explained by dissociation than hallucinations (psychosis-y). A lot of trauma survivors who does experience dissociation may have "out of body" experiences, and it'll be bc of dissociation. I would really love to hear someone speak on that. I've beem doing my own research for years now as a trauma survivor and person with a dissociative disorder. I know deep in my heart that both things are connected, i still dont know why or how.
This is what I was thinking. When I was violently assaulted and thought I was going to die, I saw myself outside of myself which actually helped me to get away from them. But it's very horrific and vivid in my mind even years later.
1:38:27 Interesting response but earlier he said that even a rock can have conscience, it just can't perceive it. How come AI can't have?
I highly recommend the book Science of self realization by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada for anyone wanting to know more on the topic of consciousness
being you from anil seth is also a great one. It shows more of the traditional westerner view as it presumes somewhat but not wholly reductionist views.
I loved this more academic stream, would love to see more
Great interview!
very interesting! i loved the analogy that the brain is a sensory organ. more of this please
WHY have you not done Joe Rogan's show yet?!?!?
That would be a super fun listen
Cause Joe Rogan is.
ENTANGLED - vs - it's ok to lose, not attached to the result, when the experience is done it's done
Of course I had a phone call right at the end, the most important part, where I really wanted to ask Dr. K a question. Perfect lol.
So Dr. K. you mentioned that if you grew up in an abusive home then your view of the world is that it is unsafe and vice versa. SUffering from depression anxiety blah blah, therapists have told me they think the "conditions at home" are the root cause. It's never resonated with me. For the most part home was a safe haven for me and it was the outside world I didn't like and was afraid of. Conversely, I knew legit actually abused people who grew up in awful environments who seem to have a really good grip on life. I don't know how else to say it. They're successful, seem social, happy. Honestly maybe they were a little messed up in the head under the surface, thinking back. But I don't know. It just has always bothered me because it's like it's "my family's" fault for me being anxious and I know that isn't true.
I don't really even know my question I just really wanted to say it as you were talking about it but had to take a phone call so I'm commenting out of desperation I guess Lol
My fiancee had a similar experience to what Dr. K is describing as his big event was his dad dying and the fallout, but I didn't. I think you could take that as just an example. So, for you, replace the home with the outer world. I had severe depression partly exacerbated by ADHD but the underlying pain from childhood was that I was bullied by teachers, people at church, and other peers constantly. At home I was safe and understood, but I still have anxiety and depression and a strong desire to stay home because I still feel safe there and I'm in my 30's.
Also, though Dr. K doesn't often mention it because it is way more rare, you can just have crappy brain chemistry. Like ADHD would have made me more prone to anxiety and depression even if nothing bad had happened. My fiancee is autistic which also raises that risk. Two of my cousins have bipolar disorder. But while some insanely high percentage of people experience depression and anxiety, right now only 2-10% of the population seems to have a medical cause while the rest might have to do with environmental factors and history of trauma.
I think it's not neccessarly unsafe conditions at home that can mess with you, but even just unpredictable conditions can be problematic. If you get unpredictable emotional feedback from your parents while growing up even if they are not directly hostile or violent towards you it can lead to your brain mal-adapting in these situations. Weirdly enough, since you're then adapting to the circumstances at your home you will naturaly see it as the most safe environment because you are accustomed to it the most.
I don't mean to be trite but, anecdotally, I had severe anxiety and fear over my own shadow that is completely gone with 300mg twice a day (with food: important) of benfotiamine.
Easy to try.
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I would say that there are other negative experiences that can affect a child, like teachers and kids, not just the parents. Also everyone deals with trauma differently, he made a video about it recently, but I'm sorry don't remember which one it is. Basically, we are all different, eg. our DNA, previous experiences and beliefs etc., so different people will be affected by trauma in different ways. Post traumatic growth is also a thing, not everyone after severe trauma gets ptsd (which was very surprising to me!). Very interesting stuff, he has talked about these things if you look up post traumatic growth. But yes, it is complicated generally.
I'd go back to the point mentioned in the conversation about having enough distance between body, thought and self consciousness. No matter what the cause, deeper within the cause of distress comes from believing the story in the mind and identifying with that story. The reality is that the mind is a collection of thoughts often coherent enough to have a narrative. If you can have enough distance to see that you are not that internal narrative, you will have enough bandwidth to let the narrative run out without you getting tangled and carried along in it.
Could also bring in Medhananda . Academic expert/ monk in ramakrishna order
My fav livestream so far. I sent this to my friends by saying "An anesthesiologist and a psychiatrist walk into a bar."
What you mentionimg about rocks on 1:15:00 that what Hegel is touching in his phenomenology of spirit - existence is an ability to experience consciousness - sort of idealistic take in contrast to our materialistic western culture. Just when we all became materialists? When does that happen?
Also Hegel explores consiusness (but he calls it the truth) as not a manifestation of biology. His thought is that consciousness is a set of rules - something like a mathematics, and it exists beyond human brain, the only problem with brain is that it can be tuned to percept the consciousness, or can be completely untuned.
When they both started levitating I lost it
Does dr.k have any official resource on different routes of meditation?
maybe this is silly, but i wonder if you had two people in a room who meditated to a deep enough state where they had that out of body experience where they were looking down at their body, would they “see” (or otherwise sense) the other person (who is also out of their body) wherever they are. or like…could they find each other?
So is consciousness energy or electricity moving trough atoms or is it another layer of existence entirely? (so energy, matter and then another layer which is consciousness)
I think Dr K doesn't get enough credit for how articulate he is. You don't realise it in other videos but here it was very evident that some concepts that were difficult to explain even by someone like Dr Bala Subramaniam who understands them very well, were explained so easily by Dr K. You just get more light bulb moments when you are listening to Dr K
This makes me remember about The Matrix. Especially the scene where someone's real life body starts to experience bullet holes without being shot on because his virtual person is being shot at.
Why does the mic volume sounds muffled, low quality and low volume compared to the guest?
How could you test the difference between anesthesia simply suppressing memory vs suppressing present experience? I have been under general anesthesia multiple times and subjectively it feels like present expereince disappears. If it were really just memory but you do experience the surgery in the present moment, wouldn’t my unconscious mind carry trauma?
Good point, could the unconscious also just forget everything? Is that even possible? I guess we can maybe reinforce some things into the unconscious, but totally forget a traumatic experience sounds unlikely to me.
does it disappear? or is it more like you instantaneuously jump from being awake before surgery to being awake after surgery?
see, you believe in this whole time thing, and that makes you believe it disappeared, but if you suspend your belief in time and go strictly by your experience, there is no gap.
@@kategingerwhy does it seem unlikely?
I did not have a good experience with anesthesia was not great to say the least. When I had my c4-c6 fusion they had to give me the antidote and then four rounds of narcan to bring me back. By the time I finally came back they were talking to my wife about saying goodbye. Since that experience I have not wanted to go under anesthesia for fear I won't come back next time.
Personally I love the interviews
Wait, so... if we're assuming that consciousness is just another property of the universe, just like mass etc. and our brains receive that consciousness depending on how evolved it is... does that mean consciousness started during the Big Bang along with time and space? I mean, that's what it comes down to, right? Even if consciousness is "outside" us, it still means it had to start somewhere.
If I've understood it correctly, according to the yogic sciences/ the Vedas, consciousness predates the Big Bang.
@@adove5843 But how can anything predate Big Bang if Big Bang was the expansion of spacetime? If time began during the Big Bang then there was no "before" it.
I feel like this whole conversation is Dr. Bala saying something and then Dr K trying to explain it
The thing with out of body experience is that some people experience things that are based in reality e.g. while clinically dead they have out of body experience where they hear or see things that are happening in the operating room or other rooms in the hospital or things out side of the hospital that later have been proven to happened or existed like object on the roof of the hospital or conversation in other rooms.
I do not believe that's true, do you have a source for this where I can read more?
Wow, I didn't know Post Operative Cognitive Dysfunction was a thing. Explains a lot why my mom is complaining about memory loss after her thymoma surgery.
Saying that consciousness is a shared delusion is absurd. To clarify. I mean by consciousness the fact that I simply am, the fact that I have aliveness. So not being conscious of something in particular but consciousness itself. This is the most basic truth which cannot be questioned. It is beyond knowledge. I cannot say that other people have consciousness, I presume so but I can 100% determine that I do. It is more sensible to question all of science and anything at all than to question the fact that I am.
Consciousness is the fact that there is something that it's like to be you, not the fact that you are. I agree that it can't be a delusion.
We cannot definitively know anything
@@Bugy64 lol you don't know that you have consciousness. So you are a chatbot?
@@Bugy64 you may be a chatbot without consciousness but I more than know that I have consciousness because I simply am right know. You gotta realize that.
@@Bugy64 The way I think of it is that all knowledge is incomplete
a female immigrant in NA with job etc but still not motivated for self care and almost addicted to phone. - know needs freedom but caught in messy relationship and demanding jobs - working with too many people simultaneously- driving anxiety and adhd at the same time. Have been diagnosed with anxiety but cant bear medicine - self care is crotical but just cant put will together.
Free will, when you decide to sit and close your eyes and footprint will show up in the brain 😊.
What is the difference between unconsciousness and subconsciousness?
The antonym for consciousness is unconsciousness. Everything not consciousness is unconsciousness which must include subconsciousness. The use of “not” is so ambiguous that it can be flawed so contradiction or a paradox is inevitable and thus it will be flawed.
( You'r face is in this block of wood. ) Poetry in motion❤. Buddhas face is in a tree in a temple in Thailand. I feel like iv'e become activated recently but Why now after 10 years when i can't do anything.? All religions confuse me because they ALL say the same thing! / What do i say? Is this a spiritual calling or just some flook from my epilepsy?
Dr. K should really make a talk with Dr. Daniel Ingram
this was some good fuckin dr k wisdom holy shiet
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The only time I've seen consciousness mentioned on youtube that isnt blatant psuedoscience
When are you gonna get Matt McCusker on the pod?
The shaman is too busy playing his flute at 432Hz
Love the topic but not too impressed with the dialogue. Loved your questions but felt like his answers were partially defensive conjecture which broke my immersion with the conversation. Still love the process ❤
The discussion of subjective reality vs purely neuronal consciousness makes me wonder if those experiments that trigger hallucinations or out of body experiences are actually only altering the perception of the person's non-physical reality. Like adjusting the lense in a telescope. Or are those experiments creating this subjective experience entirely within the brain? It really is a circular debate
Complex languages could not have been designed for communicating these ideas effectively and there are actual biases built into them.
Can someone please help me resolve this conflict in my mind for me?
They said animals have consciousness as well, plants too, even a rock, it just lacks capacity to perceive the world.
Then how have they arrived to the conclusion, that AI is not / cannot be conscious?
Hmmmm
Body is a suit that soul wears to reap the fruits of its past karmas.
Imagine a person wearing suit. The person can affect the suit and at the same time be affected by whatever that touches the suit. So we cannot conclude that the suit is part of the person or suit is the person. Materialism is a blind belief.
36.10: Dr.K is talking about thought fusion. More the distance between YOU and YOUR THOUGHT you suffer less.
"The more you are fused with your thoughts more the suffering". This is the teaching of Eastern religions, Buddhism
Hinduism and others but I still need some explanation. Who is this "YOU"? Is it consciousness or another thought?
Advaita Vedanta would say the "You" is consciousness. You are not your body or mind. I wish these speakers both of them Indians had included some Vedantic perspectives in this discussion and said something about Advaita Vedanta. Unfortunately, Sadhguru also does not talk about Advaita Vedanta. Any consciousness discussion should include Advaita Vedanta that is my opinion.
I mean inducing consciousness by making footprints should not directly lead to the conclusion, that the footprints are creating consciousness
Funny, 00:46:09 is basically a scientific explanation of why and how "Fake it until you make it" works as well as it does.
*ensures degrees are in frame*
5:27 bro said 😬😐
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On one hand i believe in the yogic knowledge and it makes sense to me, but having listened to a lot of this i cant not ask - when a child is learning his first concepts after being brought into the world, isnt it like all “truth” he initially learns are just clicks of understanding the world, but some of them are wrong, and as he learns to try and verify what works and what doesnt , those clicks only prove to be right as they map onto his experience of the world, and then he distinguishes whats true and whats not. So then the clicks come from within, but not all those that come from within prove to be correct baed on the outside world? Explain that to me please
Free will coming from consciousness has the same problem as free will coming from anything else. In the same situation, consciousness will always act the same. I don't see how it can be anything else. If consciousness can exert influence, what influences consciousness to make that specific influence? What are the laws of consciousness, in the way that there are laws of physics? Are there laws of consciousness? If free will is the ability to have acted differently, then how can you prove that your consciousness could have acted differently?
If you take the presumption that consciousness is fundamental - which is the assumption being discussed in this video - then nothing necessarily has to influence it *because* it's fundamental. Otherwise, you get into an infinite regression.
@@sojaabrams599 Even if it is fundamental, how can you prove that it would have been able to act differently in a situation? Consciousness can't make something that's impossible possible.
@@pickle380 Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean here. To my understanding, the presumption here is that you *could* choose other options if other options are present. Like if I'm using my free will to move my arm, the presumption is that I could have chosen to *not* move my arm.
@@sojaabrams599 I'm saying when you choose to move your arm, it's not free will because you were always going to choose to move your arm. There was never any other option.
@@pickle380 How do you prove that I was *always* going to move my arm, though? How do you prove that, especially since there's nothing saying I couldn't move my arm?
It seems your argument already presupposes that determinism is true. The argument "you were always going to do that, there was no other option" is unfalsifiable.
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