Moral Relativism with Lucas Zelnick | The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 03. 2024
- Comedian Lucas Zelnick joins us to share the downsides of performing in front of a crowd of influencers, taking down crowd work clips at the request of the FBI, how rich you have to be for an invite to the family jet, giving money to fake charitable causes, and why you should keep your anxiety to yourself.
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This was a hard listen but at least he's honest about his level of out of touchness. Wild.
Lucas is hilarious and seems like a fun person to hang out with. But my background coming from rural China and growing up on food stamps tells me that I wouldnât get invited on his jet to verify this. Which wouldnât be a bad decision on his part coz I have a tendency to barf on small planes, esp when Iâm around wealthy people.
it is actually insane to me how lucas said he wouldn't give away money if he "got" rich. No one NEEDS even 1 million dollars. and he thinks a FIVE even NINE million dollar lifestyle is OKAY??
an 80,000 dollar flight.... like please look up the AVERAGE income in the US. it is 30,000 dollars!!!!!!!!!
it is ludicrous to spend what most Americans make in THREE years of hard labor (not accounting for debt) on ONE flight that burns horrific emissions and sputters out pollutants over the air that the rest of us breathe and can't afford healthcare to fight the side effects of.
i actually could not listen any longer after i heard he can't even fathom giving away money if he has under ten MILLION dollars. it was actually heartbreaking to me. the first part of the episode was great and funny but to be that nonchalant about how out of touch, exploitative, GREEDY, and bad for the environment his family's (and his future) lifestyle is, was too much to bear.
No genuinely the more i think about it (watched this a few days ago) the more icked I feel about it. Think about how much fuel that is... and is it really necessary..? No matter what we all have to burn gas to some degree, our society just doesn't allow for a majority of us to walk to work / the grocery store, or even to bike there. But a plane... a whole PLANE. THAT often.
I just googled him because iâve never heard of this bloke. His dadâs net worth is allegedly $200-300m wtf đ„Č
Well, letâs get real, they are all hoping they score a nice paycheck and then they never have to think about us poor people ever again.
I have been thinking about this. I canât quite tell if he means not giving anything ever or not giving what heâs seen his parents give. He donated the equivalent of a yearâs wages as a child, so a sum significant to us might not even register as giving to him. It comes down to is he completely out of touch or just a run of the mill ass from a wealthy family. Gianmarco did well by not trying to debate it (Lucas is still a guest) and not making light of it either.
â@@jenl112 i think he doesn't want to do stuff like galas, he doesn't want to do donations that are more performative,and would rather do something that makes an impact, i don't want to judge him from the one video so ill give him the benefit of the doubt. Not to happy that he's ok letting someone else pay 40 thousand for a private plane though.
Funniest joke in the whole episode is this rich kid using his bar mitzvah money to accidentally train Hamas
"Didn't some of them come over on water skis?" Hahahah
15:23
Iâm glad I saw that clip before it was taken down đ
Thatâs entirely on him though for giving all those life details at a PUBLIC comedy show
Hope they are safe though â€
When he says the joke about getting the vaccine early 39:50 is not funny and âyou get to stay alive when I die you donât get my love tooâ sums it up.
That feeling of distaste when he talks about his familyâs 80k Jet per flight and how he wants to live âwellâ his well is unreachable by 90% of the population I just canât as a barely middle class young adult you get to enjoy those things ,but you donât get my respect too.
The reason why he is not flying out those âPoor Comedians â is the same one that makes him in denial his whole lifestyle is immoral not just the dining room on a jet.
And donât come for me with the its the system you should be mad about not the people benefiting from it âŠthatâs JEALOUSLY.
The system is the people. Those people with 95% of all wealth are the ones that have the resources and the power to change it /hold it in place.
Yeah, 8-9 million dollars is being a millionaire - the 1%. That's not "living well", that's living extravagantly. The amount of luck you have to have in order to be able to achieve that is insurmountable and it's really painful that it's talked about as though he only wants something incredibly simple or reasonable. If I had 1/60th of that I would be incredibly happy. Why not let other people have 1/60th of that too? And what hurts the most is that nobody who is able to achieve extravagance is going to take the time to actually listen to people who need help.
its unreachable for 99.99% of people and its not hyperbole. people underestimate how rich you have to be and overestimate how rich "they could be"
really enjoyed the crowdwork ethics discussion
Such a good episode!đ I love the dynamic on episodes where all of you know each other pretty well. Just makes for a good timeđâ€
38:02 40,000 dollars, i could find so many other uses for 40 thousand dollars. Just take business class its not that bad.
I think this was my fav episode yet - between the squatch, incest, and holocaustâŠ.*chefâs kiss*
This is what i needed today. Chuckled quite a bit in public.
This dude/his family is the "rich" we mean when we say "eat the rich." You guys get that, right?
We get it. You are anti $emitic.
@@HVS-gk7oo lmao, got zero idea why you might think that my dude. Shit, I really hope anti semitic comments wouldn't get 36 (+?) likes on a Jewish comedians video
yes!! and we will!
THIS !!!!!!
@@HVS-gk7oo lmao
So insane just the amount of money wasted by rich people just flying around but then they donât want to pay more in taxes or anything remotely humane. We need a wealth tax and a maximum wealth in the country. Some people donât even have their parents paying for them to go to college and worked and took out loans so the amount of privilege in the room is pretty staggering. The jokes are pretty tone deaf honestly and for someone as rich as this kid to have parents taking them on $80,000 flights to be a comedian means heâs got a cush life.
Whatâs that saying? Money doesnât buy humour? đ
As someone who has been homeless before I still managed to find the joy in the humor. I think that's just an important skill to learn when you have nothing else
â@@frenchiefrey we shouldn't have to manage to find the humor in it. It should just change.
@@IvanSN That's a fair point. I think that some of the jokes came across tone deaf (in agreeance with you, not taking credit for the thought) and if it's possible for that to stop, it should. I suppose I'm just jaded in the fact that I don't think it will, and that the only thing we can do is to look for the good things.
Like him talking about judging the financial situation of everyone that could go on a private jet with him and only choosing the wealthier ones rubbed me the wrong way for sure. I suppose it could be a matter of not wanting to make impoverished people feel bragged at, but isn't talking publicly about doing those things going to still have that effect? I think they had an important conversation in regards to the whole thing but I think no matter what I'm not going to really vibe with somebody who chooses such a mode of transportation to use often and actively. If he had more of an attitude of wanting to be better it would be less off-putting, but it seems truly like he would not change even if he could. Here's to hoping, genuinely, that wealth like this can be better distributed in the future to help less people suffer.
@@frenchiefrey No doubt try to find the good things in life but when someoneâs just saying yeah I nonchalantly donated $30,000 to some bogus charity when people like me an aged out foster youth who graduated from college and is now paying off about $30,000 in debt between my two degrees that just shows me that our society is extremely broken and idk if it can ever be fixed with people with his attitude having to change for it to they donât know life or real struggle unless they choose to or some one in a million catastrophe happens maybe thatâs why heâs not funny. He didnât even care about keeping the gift money for like college or a house down payment like itâs a $1 to him when kids out here are struggling in poverty living their everyday lives itâs sad.
Well, i am not sure was the part about charities sarcastic or not, but it sounded a bit joe-rogan-like. Cause i'm working with blind people, teaching them how to navigate, teaching them routes around the cities. And for this work to be successful and free for my clients, i need founds, i need ads, i need manegers, lawers and spokespeople. And we are creating a structure which can be than adopted by government. If you will just pour money on the problem it won't help
Ya there are a lot of charities doing a lot of good work and need the funding to do so. But you also recognize that there are a lot of bloated charities (especially the big ones) with a lot of redundant positions that waste a lot of money right?
I would never tell people not to donate but It's also important to tell people to put in the research to donate responsibly
You mean Mengele. Mendelssohn was a Jewish composer.
1.08 I think the people who say I'm so anxious who don't have anxiety are confusing anxiousness w nervousness.
This might be true sometimes. But also remember that you don't have to have anxiety to feel anxious in the same way that you don't have to have depression to feel depressed.
I have both anxiety and depression but I would never say that someone can't have those feeling if their not mentally ill. It's just that my conditions make have those feelings to a chronic degree.
I've used Dr Squatch soap! Their commercials are HILARIOUS and the shower model is HOT! The only downside is that the soap dissolves quickly.
don't keep it in the shower , bring it in with you (:
20:45 It might make sense to verify that Black-presenting person sees themself that way, but there's comedic gold in dissonance between self-perception and presentation for some of these folks. Fair game I think, even for White comedians. You might even be talking to an Enrique Tarrio type đ
In mixed groups with Black-presenting Latinos I love to do a bit where I loudly address the group as Black, something to the effect of "good to see so many beautiful Black faces" if not something more explicitly implying we as a group are Black. Then clocking who gets offended by their included in this group, "Ah, I see we have Dominicans among us". The joke being anti-Blackness is often worst among those proximate to it, and Dominicans are notorious offenders.
I'm workshopping this into a bit for stage, something about my father, US-born son of Cuban immigrants who grew up in Miami, not in Little Havana, but rather in Little Haiti/Liberty City because his mother immigrated to the U.S. before the Cuban Revolution. During the '68 Miami Riots (or per my father "protests turned urban uprising"), my father provided "Black Owned Business" signs to shop owners so that folks didn't wreck their own community. He recounts how some Cuban store owners, who were Black as far as he was concerned, refused the signs, apparently preferring to let their shop be destroyed potentially than call themselves Black!
Growing up among mostly Haitians, Jamaicans, and African-Americans, and being dark as blackberry himself, my father was treated as Black, in quite positive ways by his community, and in quite negative ways by society more broadly, including by many Cubans at a glance unless he was speaking Spanish (and even then, the race/color/class hierarchies particular to pre-revolution Cuba neither dissolved on arrival nor conformed themselves to American racism per se).
He and my future mother (a White-presenting proudly Black woman, a whole other story) were in the first class at Miami's first purpose-built racially-integrated magnet school, Miami Central High (de-segregation was the law of the land, but it was not going well). Despite being a top athlete and academic performer, elected as student body president, his involvement in district and state level student life was curtailed by threats from the KKK, and when in public with my mother, they were on high-alert, lest someone think he was a Negro besmirching a White woman (as happened on multiple occasions, resulting in scary police encounters).
Because of all this, my father came of age with a sort of expansive, inclusive, and radical Black-American political consciousness. He was deep in the Civil Rights movement, palled around with Black Panthers, was in the Nation of Islam until they went of the rails, and definitely had an FBI file. This accidentally turned into an essay, but I guess the funny core of it is if my father's life had gone a bit differently, I'd probably be among the infamous Cuban Republicans now, a Trump supporter (Cubans do love a strong-man, wether Castro or Batista before him), maybe even a violent "western chauvinist" bigot like Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio (a fellow American of Afro-Cuban descent).
So... yeah, maybe DO clarify with someone wether they think they're Black when you do crowd work, they could be an Afro-Cuban White Supremacist, not people to be trifled with đ
OK this episode is killer man! Everyone is having fun. Lobbing up dunks for each other, scoring 3's. AND GIANMARCO'S Smile can cure me of autism. Russell is great as always being Soresi's Andy Ritcher XD
Iâm loving Gianmarcoâs smile too but Autism isnât an illness that needs to be cured. We arenât the problem.
@@Liliarthan Im autistic and im clearly joking. AS there legit can not be a cure etc - Im saying his smile is so powerful I BECOME NEUROTYPICAL
Yo! Saw you at a variety show at SXSW, didn't get to say hello, but hopefully I'll make a live show sometime.
Idk if this was typical of SXSW but it was the one with a sex robot if that rings any bells đ
I swear we had the same Uber driver
58:35 I actually loved hearing a lil bit about the New york comedy scene. Know of some of those people. Have seen a lot of maddie weiner, which I thought she was in LA, but oh well. I'm not a less musical theater downsider but I am a more comedy talk downsider for sure. The baby carrots are weird now and whatever they put to keep them fresh drys out as a white power if you leave them in the fridge long enough.
just checked out Maddie Weiner, thank you!
I kind of heard of Zelnick but by the time he started praising Dolly I became a diehard fan
1:09:25 - you can use a stylish sling bag instead of a fanny pack.
Seattle a bar started doing the tipping thing and it seems to be working higher end
The baby carrots ick THANKYOU
I watched so much of this podcast and it hurts me a lot that you never mentioned genocide in Ukraine. I thinks Palestine and Israel is something that really needs talking about. Then acknowledge the russian war and US congress blocking help for Ukraine. I feel like our pain doesn't matter if you choose to ignore Ukraine while discussing most other war and political unfairness.
that baby carrot bit
Hello hello !!!!
Gianmarco Soresi...
russel should play paula pellâs son in something
Love the episode but I will say thay Lucas sounds like an asshole that I wouldn't wanna be friends withđ. Like he's trying to intentionally be as inoffensive as possible but there are still a few instances where he goes a step too far imo
Its strange because i quite enjoyed Lukas before i found out hes an entitled, selfish, trust fund baby who couldn't 'fathom' giving away money. Kind of what they said about people judging the uber wealthy, but then again, he just fits the stereotype. When he said he wants to vacations a year at the fanciest hotels as his idea of the modest lifestyle he could settle with, my eyes rolled the furthest back theyve ever rolled
Donating to store charities doesn't contribute to their taxes. If they raise 100k in donations, then donate that 100k, their income didn't increase by 100k that they donated because that's not considered income. It would make 0 impact on their taxes. What they do with the money should be looked into, but the idea that it affects their taxes or used as a write-off is a myth.
But they never just donate what people give. They match what was donated and then use the total amount to reduce their taxes.
@@Nobody_Nowhere_Never if they match what was donated, that's not them using your donation as a write-off. They're only using what _they_ donated as a write-off. Money received from donations are not income. And when they file their taxes, they provide proof of what was donated from _their_ personal accounts, not the charity account.
What you're saying is, I raised $100. Then I added $100 to the pile. I can then write-off $200. But I have to show receipts of _my_ money going to the donated charity, so it would only show the $100 from _my_ income. The other $100 is not considered income. It has 0 effect on my taxable income because it was never reflected on my income.
That idea that these stores are using it as a tax write-off never made sense and just encourages people not to donate. Just think a little about how you do your own taxes. Does the government ask for records from other sources you received donation money from that you used to donate? No. They ask for sources that was reflected from _your_ income. The tax code is public and is pretty plain when it comes to donations.
@@Nobody_Nowhere_Never Again, if I raise $100 in donations, then donate it, that would mean my total taxable income would be $0 going by your logic (assuming no work income). That would mean my taxable income would be the _exaxt same_ as it were had I never donated. There's nothing nefarious going on. It's literally just charity work.
@@Djinnerator If company A, receives $1 million in donations for a charity, and then adds $1 million from their profits they are now allowed to pay $2 million less on their taxes.
Of course stores are using it as a tax write off. Why else would a large corporation do anything?
Why are you so invested in this?
@@Nobody_Nowhere_Never No they are not. They are only allowed to write-off $1m dollars. Where is the extra $1m from their income magically coming from?
You're apparently just as invested since you decided to comment and are still commenting. Do you not know the tax code on donations? Have you read it yourself or are you just repeating what you heard from someone else? Like, it literally makes no sense. You have to provide your proof of income to the IRS and also proof of write-offs that are shown coming from your income. You're saying they can magically make $1m appear as deductible income when their income is already accounted for.
why would you even want carrots? they are gross. and I am totally on board with the "fanny pack". i just got one myself. but it should be able to go across your waist and/or your chest. i love that you are roasting your friend. keep it coming. đđ
What's the r word.?
I think itâs rascal.
â@@Liliarthan it is not
â@@SoVidushidoes it rhyme with bassist?
â@@dudeivealreadydonethis5tim289 It rhymes with "We farted".
@@LoganLeeV Re: tarded does not rhyme with farted.
41:00 - there are plenty of lower class or less wealthy people who would want wealth in spite of others rather than trying to more evenly distribue wealth. They like wealth and they're mostly upset they don't also have it. At this point it seems like something people shouldn't be ashamed of
BABY CARROTS ARE SO WET
my baby carrot recipe is to rince them and let them dry out in the colander before putting them in a Tupperware in the veggies bin
This has gotta stop: people judging someone's human decency based SOLELY on their tax bracket. Yall should be mad at the systems screwing us all, not an individual who got lucky by being born into a wealthy family.
Thats not revolutionary, thats jealousy. đŻđŻ
Another amazing episode.
I think it's okay to make fun of rich brats actually
Anyone who chooses to stay exorbitantly wealthy, and is conscious of where their wealth comes from and what having that wealth does, is acting immorally.
I'm sure neither of you would have even touched a dollar of it had it been your situation. Good on you. đ
@@novalyn.acidginI doubt many people would claim to not use any of it. But to say youâll keep ALL of it is OTT.
@@novalyn.acidgin I would touch as much of it as I needed - and we all need more than just a dollar. But I don't need 9 million. Or even 1 million.