I was taught to do this to. Always wash the block really good before installing the moving parts. Let it dry for a few hours before installing the new parts
Great video! This video will never get old! I just tried to hone (Deglaze) my kool bore Briggs. I couldn’t find new chrome rings so crossing my fingers the old ones will still work. Really hope I didn’t screw it up.. Thanks for sharing!!
I am in the process of rebuilding the engine from my XUV 550 gator and wasn’t sure about the honing process but after watching and honing as per your video, I have total confidence that it will be perfect. The results appear to be the same as in your video. Thanks for your video and help from Newfoundland.
I hone my blocs at the vertical and secure it down with a vinyl clamp. This way, you're able to squirt some lubricant while honing and the "up and down" motion is more precise than the "in and out" motion. Good upload. Thanks.
A very wise man taught me to keep an empty water bottle around the shop and fill it with 1/3 solvent 1/3 ATF. Makes for a great rust prevention system and honing oil.
Thanks my friend. An older video but well done. I was watching as i have a Honda that needs rings but now i know it is all aluminium. Bruce from Canada. I changed my channel name. Got rid of my last name.
Hello, I have a 21 H.P. Briggs engine, single cyl. that smokes I see the spark plug has a ton of black goo on it so Im going to do a ring job, should I just get the stock replacement rings or would you go with the oversized ones for doing this job?.. Thanks for the help! B.
Have you done a video about setting the ring gaps? I enjoy watching your videos im looking to rebuilding my 15hp ohv engine. Im guessing the rings are bad cause as i mow n make a rurn it smokes bad but when it sits it smokes lil bit
Yes! czcams.com/video/4IOYxsFS8yw/video.html That is usually the problem, but also note, on OHV motors, they are bad about blowing head gaskets between the cylinder and valve chamber. So if its excessive / constant smoke then thats probably it, if its the smoke at start and when you throttle up then its probably rings. Thanks for Watching!
@@fnaguitarplayer9 thanks. I did tear most of it apart. Got the head off. Cylinder looks fine no major scratch marks can see the hone marks slightly. I may just tear it all way down n put new rings on n hone cylinder
I have rings that are far out of spec on a beautiful cylinder that's waiting to get honed. I wish I'd seen your video beforehand as I bought the original rings. Think it'll be in spec with the new rings?
The rings I replaced had a .090" gap. It turns out these new stock size rings will get me the clearance you mentioned for a new ring install. How did the original ring gap get that big without the cylinder diameter not being large enough to require new rings?
Great video. Do these lawn mower engines develope a ridge at the top of the cylinder like a car does? We used a ridge reamer to get the ridge off the top of cylinders on cars back in the '70s. Also, how much over size rings do you put in your small engines? One thousands or two thousands etc. I gave a friend a 18.5hp briggs for swapping motors on my rider. It had no compression. He said he was going to put rings in it. What else do you recommend he does so it will turn out good? Thanks in advance.
Thanks! Yes they do, the aluminum bore cylinders are worse (and they don't need honed when rebuilding) but the cast iron bore engines will get a ridge as well but most of the time they are not bad, usually i'll dress it up with sand paper to smooth it out before removing piston. For most engines rings are available in standard, .010", .020" and .030", 90% of time a standard set will do, sometimes i'll use .010" and file them till the ring gap is to spec, but its not a preferred method. If there is no compression at all its probably valve related, either a stuck valve, out of adjustment or needs reseated. If its a cast iron bore, hone it, get new set of rings, do a valve job and tune up (possible carb clean, new spark plug etc) then put good oil in it and drain it after a few hours of use and put a good oil in it and it will hold up for a while. now of course if you tear it down and its got a scored cylinder then its going to take more work/money to fix. Hope this helps, and I also have complete rebuilding videos as well. Thanks for Watching!!!
the crosshatch pattern should be around 45 degrees both ways and turning the hone fairly slow will get you where you need to be, your pattern looks good that engine should break on quick good video thanx
Good video,,,,,A question,,,,I got a 12.5 briggs,,,,The cylinder looks good. Is a cast iron sleeve. When i put the old rings in the cylinder the ring gap is 18,,,,,,But when i slip the oil ring in the cylinder the gap is 44.,,,Could i reuse the old rings???,,,Thanks
Thanks! I wouldn't recommend using those rings, on a fresh rebuild i try to keep the ring gap around .003 to .010" for all 3 rings, when i put this motor back together (next video) I got all 3 rings at .003", i ordered .010" oversized rings and filed them to specs. It will run with them, but it will have slightly lower compression and you may see a puff of smoke or it will use some oil. Thanks for Watching!!!
You will need the oversize piston first and have a machine shop do it, don't try to use a hone, it won't turn out even enough. then just put it together as normal, getting a ring gap of around .003". Thanks for Watching!!!
What about that Nichol that they put on them aluminum engines you can't hold them or bore them unless you send it off to have it re nicholshield or hardened
I have a video that talks about ring specs, usually on most small engines it should be between .003" and .010" but there are different specs. Thanks for Watching!!!
The one I got came from sears (craftsman). The one harbor freight sells is just as good, you can get them at auto parts stores, harbor freight or off of ebay/amazon. Thanks for Watching!!!
I think it would be possible, you would have to make a water jacket around all the cooling fins or have a aluminum tubing coiled through them, or something like that, I've never heard of anyone doing it but i'm sure its possible, and would probably help extend the life of the engine since it could run cooler. Interesting idea! Thanks for Watching!!!
I have a 1940s german engine and no hone can even scratch the cylinder, even with a file or sandpaper.. Its not coated but for some reason its like diamond. The other one on the bike was fine but less shiney.
the hoan marks provide mini oil gallery's to retain the oil just like the surface of finely machined steel under and electron microscope has peaks and troffs...
For me, anyway, if you are doing a wheel cylinder, you don’t need the cross hatch pattern and a glossier finish is preferred- since you are trying to seal a rubber cup instead of piston rings. Finish with the pressure dialed back, thicker oil.
I would hit it lightly again with oil just to smooth out and rough spots, it makes it cut smoother with oil and extends the life the of stones, it can cause scratches without oil. Thanks for Watching!!!
As far as I know none of the ebay sellers given any numbers regarding cylinder condition. Words like good and serviceable are subjective. Never got up enough nerve to give em a try.
Your right, they don't say much. I judged this by overall condition and in the pics the cylinder looked good for what i could see. But you never know what your getting, i took a chance, and it only cost me 35 bucks (and free shipping too) and it turned out great, it still had some factory hone marks left in it, so i could tell it was lower hours. But yeah its hit or miss, you never know what your getting. Thanks for Watching!!!
if you ever do decide to " "give em a try" look for 99. + percent customer approval rating, seller accepts returns and 4- 5 stars. Never had a problem when others have shopped there in numbers and they all (most) say they are happy. Ebay, I cant log on to my own account, so I use Amazon.
A light honing won't take too much material off so the same size rings will be OK, however if the bore is oval or stepped then it needs machining to oversize and a suitable new piston and rings.
You're the first person I've seen on CZcams to recommend cleaning with warm soap and water. That's the way I was taught.
Andy Milanak really! It's the best way to clean them after honing. Thanks for watchibg!!!
I was taught to do this to. Always wash the block really good before installing the moving parts. Let it dry for a few hours before installing the new parts
Great video! This video will never get old! I just tried to hone (Deglaze) my kool bore Briggs. I couldn’t find new chrome rings so crossing my fingers the old ones will still work. Really hope I didn’t screw it up.. Thanks for sharing!!
I am in the process of rebuilding the engine from my XUV 550 gator and wasn’t sure about the honing process but after watching and honing as per your video, I have total confidence that it will be perfect. The results appear to be the same as in your video. Thanks for your video and help from Newfoundland.
we are a dying breed this an excellent repensation sir thank you fro caring to take the time!
Your welcome! It seems like there is less and less people working on lawn mowers these days. Thanks for Watching!!!
Thanks for this video keep them coming.
your welcome, Thanks for Watching!!!
I hone my blocs at the vertical and secure it down with a vinyl clamp. This way, you're able to squirt some lubricant while honing and the "up and down" motion is more precise than the "in and out" motion. Good upload. Thanks.
I feel that is the best way to do it to, you wouldn't have as much control over it going in and out. Thanks man, and Thanks for Watching!!!
I do understand that, for video purpose, we can see better at this angle. Good video. Thank you.
Thanks for the video I learned how to use my cylinder hone thanks
Your welcome, glad to help out! Thanks for Watching!!!
A very wise man taught me to keep an empty water bottle around the shop and fill it with 1/3 solvent 1/3 ATF. Makes for a great rust prevention system and honing oil.
Nice job Man, thanks for the tips
Learned a ton..thank you for sharing..
Your welcome, thanks for watching!!!
awesome video! thank you for sharing
Your welcome, Thanks for Watching!!!
I didn't know about the speed of the hone good video
Yeah its really critical, takes some practice. Thanks for Watching!!!
Thanks my friend. An older video but well done. I was watching as i have a Honda that needs rings but now i know it is all aluminium. Bruce from Canada. I changed my channel name. Got rid of my last name.
Nice tutorial sir I hope many tutorial about small engine give some tips godbless
Hello,
I have a 21 H.P. Briggs engine, single cyl. that smokes I see the spark plug has a ton of black goo on it so Im going to do a ring job, should I just get the stock replacement rings or would you go with the oversized ones for doing this job?..
Thanks for the help!
B.
Thanks for honing in on such a boring subject! :)
Helped a bunch
Glad to help out, Thanks for Watching!!!
Thanks for the info 😎
Good video bro. I am working on a kowasaki mule 2510
Appreciate that! I hear ya! Thanks for Watching!!!
That block was a good buy for sure
which grit stones are you using ?
That dog will hunt! It ain't the Space Shuttle. Well done.
lol Thanks for Watching!!!
He's not taryl dactal either.
Have you done a video about setting the ring gaps? I enjoy watching your videos im looking to rebuilding my 15hp ohv engine. Im guessing the rings are bad cause as i mow n make a rurn it smokes bad but when it sits it smokes lil bit
Yes! czcams.com/video/4IOYxsFS8yw/video.html That is usually the problem, but also note, on OHV motors, they are bad about blowing head gaskets between the cylinder and valve chamber. So if its excessive / constant smoke then thats probably it, if its the smoke at start and when you throttle up then its probably rings. Thanks for Watching!
@@fnaguitarplayer9 thanks. I did tear most of it apart. Got the head off. Cylinder looks fine no major scratch marks can see the hone marks slightly. I may just tear it all way down n put new rings on n hone cylinder
@@chrishotrod6603 your welcome! I hear ya, thats good thats its in good shape. I hear ya!
What sort of a honing wheel would I want on a little Flathead 3 horse. Model is 80202.
The type in my video will work, most of them go down to 2" up to 6' bores, give or take some. Thanks for Watching!!!
I have rings that are far out of spec on a beautiful cylinder that's waiting to get honed. I wish I'd seen your video beforehand as I bought the original rings. Think it'll be in spec with the new rings?
The rings I replaced had a .090" gap. It turns out these new stock size rings will get me the clearance you mentioned for a new ring install. How did the original ring gap get that big without the cylinder diameter not being large enough to require new rings?
Great video. Do these lawn mower engines develope a ridge at the top of the cylinder like a car does? We used a ridge reamer to get the ridge off the top of cylinders on cars back in the '70s.
Also, how much over size rings do you put in your small engines? One thousands or two thousands etc. I gave a friend a 18.5hp briggs for swapping motors on my rider. It had no compression. He said he was going to put rings in it. What else do you recommend he does so it will turn out good? Thanks in advance.
Thanks! Yes they do, the aluminum bore cylinders are worse (and they don't need honed when rebuilding) but the cast iron bore engines will get a ridge as well but most of the time they are not bad, usually i'll dress it up with sand paper to smooth it out before removing piston. For most engines rings are available in standard, .010", .020" and .030", 90% of time a standard set will do, sometimes i'll use .010" and file them till the ring gap is to spec, but its not a preferred method. If there is no compression at all its probably valve related, either a stuck valve, out of adjustment or needs reseated. If its a cast iron bore, hone it, get new set of rings, do a valve job and tune up (possible carb clean, new spark plug etc) then put good oil in it and drain it after a few hours of use and put a good oil in it and it will hold up for a while. now of course if you tear it down and its got a scored cylinder then its going to take more work/money to fix. Hope this helps, and I also have complete rebuilding videos as well. Thanks for Watching!!!
the crosshatch pattern should be around 45 degrees both ways and turning the hone fairly slow will get you where you need to be, your pattern looks good that engine should break on quick good video thanx
Yeah, its easy to get it wrong. It did run great, didn't smoke much while breaking in. your welcome, Thanks for Watching!
For honing fluid, I have used cheap ATF.
Good video,,,,,A question,,,,I got a 12.5 briggs,,,,The cylinder looks good. Is a cast iron sleeve. When i put the old rings in the cylinder the ring gap is 18,,,,,,But when i slip the oil ring in the cylinder the gap is 44.,,,Could i reuse the old rings???,,,Thanks
Thanks! I wouldn't recommend using those rings, on a fresh rebuild i try to keep the ring gap around .003 to .010" for all 3 rings, when i put this motor back together (next video) I got all 3 rings at .003", i ordered .010" oversized rings and filed them to specs. It will run with them, but it will have slightly lower compression and you may see a puff of smoke or it will use some oil. Thanks for Watching!!!
A fresh rebuilt requires new rings. Compare your situation to new shoes with old laces. How long will you be able to run before something fails ?
Kerosene or mineral spirits works quite well to wash it out too.
i have a aluminium cilinder that needs to be machine out about 1mm because is very bad,after that what should i do ?
You will need the oversize piston first and have a machine shop do it, don't try to use a hone, it won't turn out even enough. then just put it together as normal, getting a ring gap of around .003". Thanks for Watching!!!
What about that Nichol that they put on them aluminum engines you can't hold them or bore them unless you send it off to have it re nicholshield or hardened
Well I learnt something today; thanks for sharing Frank. That wrist and hand of yours looks like its been in the wars.
Your welcome! haha yeah, that was hot muffler hahaha Thanks for Watching!!!
How do u find ur ring specs for 21 hp briggs els
I have a video that talks about ring specs, usually on most small engines it should be between .003" and .010" but there are different specs. Thanks for Watching!!!
Which is the best honing tool my size is 32mm to 90mm
How can I get it or purchase it
The one I got came from sears (craftsman). The one harbor freight sells is just as good, you can get them at auto parts stores, harbor freight or off of ebay/amazon. Thanks for Watching!!!
Harbor freight 22.00 bucks!
I want to convert robin ey-20 in liquid cool engine. its possible or not? give me advice
or any other small engine if you think its possible so tell me .
I think it would be possible, you would have to make a water jacket around all the cooling fins or have a aluminum tubing coiled through them, or something like that, I've never heard of anyone doing it but i'm sure its possible, and would probably help extend the life of the engine since it could run cooler. Interesting idea! Thanks for Watching!!!
Sajjad Hussain no
I run my hone in a bucket with hot soapy water while I'm honing the cylinder in the bucket of hot soapy water...👍
That’s the correct way
I have a 1940s german engine and no hone can even scratch the cylinder, even with a file or sandpaper.. Its not coated but for some reason its like diamond. The other one on the bike was fine but less shiney.
Really! Must be some type of hardened steel or something! Thanks for Watching!!!
the hoan marks provide mini oil gallery's to retain the oil just like the surface of finely machined steel under and electron microscope has peaks and troffs...
Is there a difference in a break hone vs cylinder hone?
Mainly just size, the brake hones are smaller and can be used on a real small engine. Thanks for Watching!!!
For me, anyway, if you are doing a wheel cylinder, you don’t need the cross hatch pattern and a glossier finish is preferred- since you are trying to seal a rubber cup instead of piston rings. Finish with the pressure dialed back, thicker oil.
What grit is that honing tool??
I honestly can not remember, i don't remember if they listed the grit i think it was like a medium, it is a craftsman though. Thanks for Watching!!!
Hey man I didnt know you supposed to put oil on cylinder and homer did I ruin my cylinder or what
Honer* I went straight in with no lube lol. Should I rehone with oil
I would hit it lightly again with oil just to smooth out and rough spots, it makes it cut smoother with oil and extends the life the of stones, it can cause scratches without oil. Thanks for Watching!!!
Elvis does Briggs and Stratton.
I've been told this alot. Thanks for Watching!!!
As far as I know none of the ebay sellers given any numbers regarding cylinder condition. Words like good and serviceable are subjective. Never got up enough nerve to give em a try.
Your right, they don't say much. I judged this by overall condition and in the pics the cylinder looked good for what i could see. But you never know what your getting, i took a chance, and it only cost me 35 bucks (and free shipping too) and it turned out great, it still had some factory hone marks left in it, so i could tell it was lower hours. But yeah its hit or miss, you never know what your getting. Thanks for Watching!!!
if you ever do decide to " "give em a try" look for 99. + percent customer approval rating, seller accepts returns and 4- 5 stars. Never had a problem when others have shopped there in numbers and they all (most) say they are happy. Ebay, I cant log on to my own account, so I use Amazon.
bottle brush hones are good for beginners, theyre good anyway
I've never used that type before, been wanting to try one. Thanks for Watching!!!
just picked one up on ebay $20bucks
ran too fast and bruised my hand !!! ouch the stone hurt
Not a bad price. Oh no! Thanks for Watching!!!
I use water is a spray bottle and then hose it clean.
i see hot spots in cylinder also
Wheres ur torque plate at,,ole buddy&dial bore gauge,gage, have,m to do right ,it's gonna be outta round 4 sure
Don't use a lubricant like WD40, use cutting oil.
Yep, a better choice. Thanks for Watching!!!
burrrrrrrp....scuse me :s
haha Thanks for Watching man!
Too*
Example of wrong honing. Please hold the drill centered and don''t move it from side to side
I did mention about keeping it as straight as possible, but you are correct. Thanks for Watching!!!
This didn't affect the piston size right? I mean you didn't need a bigger one? Just rings?
A light honing won't take too much material off so the same size rings will be OK, however if the bore is oval or stepped then it needs machining to oversize and a suitable new piston and rings.