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Jim Cornette on The Difference Between Selling & Over Selling
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- čas přidán 23. 04. 2018
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Mr. Perfect was the only guy who could over sell during a match and get away with it. Watching him bounce around the ring like a rubber ball was hilarious!
..it was ...perfect.
HBK flopping around was hilarious. Especially after he took the big boot. Comedy gold
The version I heard was that Hogan got HBK to agree to the program by promising him that Hogan would win the first match, HBK the second, and then Hogan the third, and Michaels was just fine with that... and then, the day of the match, Hogan pulled his Creative Control clause and decided that it would be a one-match program and he would not only go over, he would just destroy Michaels without HBK getting any significant offense in. Thus, Michaels does the overselling in protest.
Yeah, I mean it’s not like Shawn ever weaseled himself out of putting someone over before.
How is what Hulk did different from what Shawn did to Bret in 96-97
Was Shawn wronged in this case? Yes, but Bret was too, and Bret made a great match out of it rather than a mess.
@@EmmaBonn96 hogan did the same shit to bret and many others and in his 50s there was no reason for him to go over
There are numerous versions of the story, but it all comes down to the fact that Michaels finally ran into a guy he couldn't out-politick.
Shawn oversold loads of times though
Hbk finally getting a taste of his own medicine
As a teenager I didn't realize that Michaels was making a fool of Hogan... I thought that they were saying, in kayfabe, that Hogan was just that much more powerful than Michaels that he could whoop his ass all over the ring like that. It wasn't until a few years ago when I came across a discussion of the match that I ever learned what had been going on behind the scenes and how hilarious it all actually was.
Lol kayfabe is still alive brother
Well, "It's still real to me damn it!"
The funniest part of Michaels over-selling, is that Hogan was such a mark for himself, that it took him a little while to figure out what was really going on. And you can tell when he figures it out he gets kinda mad.
I don't blame Michaels for selling like that against Hogan. A shithead embarrassing another shithead, and in entertaining fashion too. We all won.
Well one of Flair's bumps was part of his gimmick when he did the delayed front fall
And the over the turnbuckle flip
That scene with the midnight express attacking the fantastics after signing a contract was amazing. It seemed so damn real. And the people in the crowd screaming horrifically added to it.
the problem now is that all the elaborate dives, spots and bumps actually hurt, so wrestlers have to no sell their real pain.
That'sn't a problem, that's the business; there's a give-and-take.
That's always been the case?
So you say they get hurtnow, ot looks more child Ballett than ever though? Well maybe theres something wrong then.
I think that's a problem with wrestling now. Agents and writers micromanaging everything. How it should be is: Give them the finish and the amount of time, let them figure out the rest. Same with promos. Now everything is ridiculously micromanaged
Thats corporatism, its wicked
A video about overselling. Picture of Shawn Michaels 😂😂
I'm glad they got an artist now and took out that intro.
Travis Heckel is too good 🤣
Every WWE mark should be required to listen to this before they ever make a comment on social media
*AEW
Hennig was a great oversell.
He was great at selling in general and knew when to oversell.
Michaels/Hogan was hilarious.
Remember Batman 89 in the clock tower when Joker hit Batman in the Gut but it only hurt him after the chattering teeth came out?
That for some reason reminds me of overselling lol
Joker spit out the chattering teeth after Batman punched him in the mouth.
Hogan more or less told Michaels he was going to bury him, I actually don't blame Michaels for giving Hogan a big fuck you.
Cena selling as a face, is what makes people boo him.
The turnbuckle flip bump, I'm watching '83 World Class weekly TVs and I just saw Terry Gordy take this! It was a huge main event vs either Kerry or Kevin so it was warranted & holy shit! What a surprise!
Ray Stevens (The Wrestler not the legendary Singer) would "get shot across the ring and fly upside down into the turnbuckles"? Well we know who was heavily impressed by that impressive bump now to say the least!😂B.W.
Greg Valentine was the king of the face plant.
HBK's selling was always hokey and theatrical (writhing in agony and then popping up with no problem when it was time to come back), he just cranked it up to 11 in the Hogan match.
SacredDust That in particular is what took me out of that street fight with HHH at SummerSlam ‘02. His back was getting destroyed the whole time. The backbreaker through the chair was vicious looking. Then he sacrifices his body by jumping from a ladder with the elbow. Once he did his kip-up and started getting back up, I was pissed. Took me right out of it.
@@ChaosDave2 pissed? Lmao
Agreed. I like Michaels a little more nowadays and recognize he made me love to hate him, but his selling was always like a cartoon.
@@joshuakillingsworth8366 lol calm down, guy. we are discussing art, which, the better it is, the more you become immersed.
Shawn looks like Broken Matt in that photo.
Best not to pick at that scab. Examine too closely and it all starts to look pretty awful.
HBK oversold all the time. When someone Irish whips him into the corner and he does that dumb roll and flip thing. Or when he does the flying forearm and then just lies on the floor for ages before he does the kick up. It's annoying
I’ve been planning on starting wrestling training this summer.
This is just so informative. I’ve always wondered what is it about heel selling vs face selling that makes sure the heel doesn’t get sympathy. This definitely makes sense as a difference as we wouldn’t care as much for someone flipping like an octopus in a washing machine.
I can also apply this to something like Austin and Hart’s double turn. Passing out from blood loss seems like a more realistic sell than an over sell, so it should garner sympathy.
Hey how did it go? I'm thinking about starting it too
Martin Fast
It went very well. I met a lot of great people, and even though I never had a match on a show, I had a nice time. If you have the money and the passion, I really recommend it.
I had a good practice match as a manager.
@@EmmaBonn96 How much did you pay ?
How come you never had a match ?
Does it hurt a lot?
Martin Fast
The cost can vary, though it’s a good indicator of the quality of the school.
It’s best to see what is near you. See if there’s anyone reputable. If they have a big name come from the school, or if they are a big name, or if they were trained by a big name, that’s a good sign
The school I found was formerly part of NWA Upstate in Rochester, NY Brodie Lee came from there, as well as Colin Delaney. It was rather cheap at $100 dollars a month, for 3 hours a night 3 days a week
I’m told most schools should cost that much, but probably more.
I never had a match because I wasn’t good enough. I never really intended to be a wrestler, I was more training as a manager. Booking never got around to me, it can happen, though I also never made a splash in ticket sales. For most promoters, if you can sell 10 or more tickets each month, they’ll find something for you to do.
That isn’t to say I didn’t do anything. I was a locker room interviewer, I was a commentator, I was in a few battle royals, but I only ever managed in practice matches in the school.
It does hurt, but you get used to it.
Bumping is an acquired feeling. It definitely hurts, but the feeling doesn’t linger.
Accidents can happen though
I was once dropped out of a battle royal, landed on our wooden ring steps and bruised my knee so bad I could barely walk up stairs for a week. I also bled through my gimmick.
There was also the time at training where I mistimed a guy’s leapfrog and he ended up coming down on my neck. My first thought was OW, my second thought was oh no I may have just killed his crotch. I found out he had a cup so that was fine.
It’s nothing that a few ibuprofen a night for a week can’t fix.
It’s a good experience overall, but it is very expensive.
@@EmmaBonn96 Thanks for the insight bro, I'll give it a try. How hard is the mat ? I've always wondered lol
whenever michaels comes up with them Jim will tell events that made him angry and say what he thought of him back then but does not always bury him and will judge each circumstance fairly. Bryan seems to have this vendetta against Shawn taking as many shots at him as possible whenever he comes up in conversation and I don't know why? Jim has much more reason to do this but doesn't show the same bias when Shawn comes up. I like Bryan but this is one thing that has always irritated me about him.
It’s not just Shawn either I’ve heard him do it to a lot of guys
Because Shawn Michaels is a massive bell end
Cornette- you can watch old "tapes" on CZcams...lol
Vince stepped in after Michaels tried to politic his way out of losing on that match and told him Hogan was going over. This was after Michaels refused to do the L, W, L booking Hogan had proposed.
Like Hogan was ever going to return that favor lol if Hogan never looked at Bret Hart as more than a little tag team guy and refused to ever put him over you can imagine he had the same view towards Michaels if not even more so.
Nah this is bullsh*t....the match was phenomenal and the selling made sense.
If you watched it AT THE TIME, you didnt have this criticism. I hate when people try to rewrite wrestling history on CZcams. Wrestling is an artform that works best IN THE MOMENT.
@JustMemes youre repeating something youve read…u dont have a gauge of wrestling at all if u think that was remotely a bad match. Ive watched wrestling for 30 yrs…that match was phenomenal idgaf what youve read or watched from a talking head lol. buh bye ✌️
I absolutely believe Flair never played with himself, there always was at least one gal who would do it for him.
Shawn Michaels is the king of overselling, his ridiculous bumps is reminiscent of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers when the Rangers get their ass kicked and zapped by some powerful monster and they flip and flop all over the place.
The worst oversell was the cornette/ shitstain " feud" by corny. :-D
hbk at summerslam 2005!!!
explaination = cena matches
Cenas's selling is mostly cringe.
This isn't the first time Shawn Michaels over sold something. To me it was at Ground Zero that I first saw him oversell. He was facing Undertaker and was the heel in September of 1997. He just cost Undertaker the WWE title. The next month was the first ever Hell in the Cell match which was was better. But the match at Ground Zero was Shawn over selling to Undertaker. It would of been a better match if It would of been done right. Thankfully the Cell match and Casket match at Royal Rumble made up for it.
I forget the match, but back in 1993, Shawn Michaels oversold a shove from THE REF. It was so stupid looking. The ref shoved him and Michaels too a back bump and flipped his feet over his head and bounced his legs off the rope like the ref was Hulk Hogan or something.
*have
Hogan was a better worker than shawn
Ripped his skin off his flesh? Nothing.... we just gonna no-sell that? .............. Ok
Jason Voorhees could no sell it lollllll
That was the exact second I lost all respect for Shawn. It’s too bad because that match had a chance to be legendary
Tyson Moore That's your opinion. It was still a good match, but as a Shawn fan myself, this was a payback for all the times he refused to put people over and dropping belts without actually having to lose. Michaels being a master politician in the 90s met the best politician of all time in Hogan. The selling was hilarious, though. At least he sells unlike 90% of today's roster.
I didn't see Hogan putting on a legendary match at that point in time. It was politician vs. politician and in the long run Shawn won.
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I haven’t watched this yet but he may mention this but if you want to see over selling watch shawn when he faced hogan he acted like one punch Through him out of the ring 😂 it was obvious he was being a smart ass and over selling times a 💯!
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Dolph Ziggler is good but I feel he over sells it
I use to like hbk but I dont any more after all his bullshit
Biggest overseller of all time: Michael Hayes
HBK in the 90's was terrible for overselling along with his attitude back then
ITT: 'Michaels was a good seller'.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 He was as good at selling as he was at dropping a title.
He fucking sucked.
Yeah i know .
shawn Michaels totally sucked...
He had no athleticism, no charisma, no in ring working ability or ability to tell a story physically with his body.
He never drew and I can't figure out why he was ever allowed to be in the ring.
No one liked him.
What level of success did Jim Cornette actually attain? Coz when you look at his resume, he was a good manager with the southern team midnight everything else was midcard, comedy shit and he got fired or blew up and quit from every major promotion. I wouldnt consider him an authority on wrestling.
Your opinion of Cornette is likely because you don’t know any better... Cornette is a realist and calls it as it is, no sugar coating, whatsoever.. This is why he either quit or has been terminated from every promotion that he’s worked for. I respect him for being a genuine prick, rather than being a bitch and corporate yes man, because of society’s opinions and standards of what is considered “politically correct” .. and to answer your initial question of what level of success has he actually attained. He’s seen it all and done it all.. From starting out in the wrestling business as a photographer, to becoming a manager, promoter, booker, territory owner (Smokey Mountain Wrestling, part owner of Ohio Valley Wrestling, WWE’s old, developmental territory) and wrestling historian. Read up on his history of managing a variety of different wrestlers and tag teams and their title wins and reigns, educating yourself, before posing the question of what level of success he has actually attained..
Depends on what you call successful. I’d say someone who has been involved in something they loved from being a child very successful. Listening to his podcasts I reckon he’s probably forgotten more than anyone knows about the business but refuses to fall in with the pc brigade which is all wrestling is nowadays.
He is a walking encyclopedia of wrestling and has forgotten more than you'll know
He did everything in biz
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