Jim Cornette on The History Of Scaffold Matches
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- From Episode 317 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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His Dusty accent is so accurate. I love it. Miss The Dream.
Mith tha dream
You should hear Dustin his son do the dusty accent lol its awesome 👌
11:15
IT WILL NEVA BE OVA. The American Dream will live on forever. ❤
His voice after the bump was indication he was legit hurt. Holy shit! Corny is the man!
'Catch me, Bubba! Catch me!'
*plonk*
'You fell too fast, Corny! You fell too fast!'
According to Animal, Big Bubba Rogers and Hawk were both high as kites, henceforth, why Big Bubba missed Corny by 3 feet.
"Jimmy, you fell so fast!"
"I missed that day in wrestling school. When they tough falls from scaffolds" - Jim Cornette
@@SecretGerms He actually wrote tough
After seeing New Jack try to possibly legitimately murder Vic Grimes in their scaffold match, I never want to see another one again.
As legendary as the Midnight Express scaffold matches were, I can't say that any of them were "great" matches. I'd rather have seen the Midnight Express do any other kind of match. It's sad that the Midnight Express didn't get a good Starrcade match until '88 (although the Atlanta Street Fight for Starrcade '85 was very entertaining).
But one question I'd love to know: I remember seeing scaffold set up for many of the Great American Bash arenas - even with the double ring setup for WarGames. Did the Midnight Express do scaffold matches during the '87 Bash Tour too? If not them, who?
I'm pretty sure new jack is kayfabing the vic grimes thing when he says he tried to kill him, etc. When you watch the clip you can see that grimes basically jumps off (which contradicts the taser part) and new jack just has his hands on grimes. There's an interview with grimes where he says something like "the match went as planned, I shouldn't say too much". All that makes me wonder if some of his other famous incidents are also worked.
@@unknownkingdom Yeah, New Jack was full of shit on that one. You can clearly see Grimes jumping into the spot, he just missed because he's an idiot. Then again he's an idiot for agreeing to it in the first place.
@@unknownkingdom I know the alleged Florida stabbing was a work as what Jack says regarding the legal fallout is verifiably false (saying the other guy agreed to not press charges which isn't how it works for a stabbing, says he skipped bail and never went back to Florida when it's quite easy to find matches he did in Florida not long after)
I never understood why tna never used Jim to hype the Elevation X/Scaffold match with Rhino and AJ Stlyes
WWE is scared of scaffolds lol
I want Vince McMahon on a scaffold Match to get Alexa Bliss' panties off a pole on top of the scaffold hahah
@@jd6473 no Vince Russo stipulation
@@jd6473 think Vince doesn't wanna see another Foley through the cell moment mixed with Sid's leg snapping.
@@jd6473 I'd watch this
"Jimmy baby just kick ya feet up if you will..."
🤣🤣🤣
“Jimmy you fell so fast”
“Halloween III” is actually a great horror flick once you get over the fact it doesn’t involve Michael Myers. (The vision was that 3 onward would be an anthology series.)
Agreed! And it should continued as different stories instead they ran Myers into the ground
Accept onward it turned into a shitfest 😂
I really wish they continued the Halloween themed anthology series
Possibly the worst movie ever
I can’t believe people are comparing. $10k a piece in front of a capacity crowd of thousands vs $50 for a mall dive in front of 50 people. Ffs it’s so stupid
But it "went viral" for the "exposure". He should be counting his millions in a mansion in Beverly Hills right now by internet mark logic.
Kick your feet up baby.🤣🤣🤣
Hilarious
This picture is gold haha look at Jim hilarious
Brittney Starling gym lol
cobedizzle typo lol
Damn brittany if love to piss n shit on your face that would b sooooooo HOT
Now I know why corny hates ECW so much. 😂
I knew he'd say something about the PJ Hawx Mall Jump. Remember, he and his daddy Luke are stuntmen too.
that was pretty awesome though
@@Gravydog316 why?
Took bump in 1981 off scofield it hurts without payment
He does like bumping dudes
John Scofield?
I love that Jim knows the Halloween sequels. I think he, like many, would have a better appreciation for Season of the Witch if it wasn't called Halloween III.
Absolutely. It was a fun idea, it just retrospectively doesn't work with the rest of the franchise, even with the continuity reboots.
He didn't the do the final chapter on the scaffold matches. A year later, Dusty told the Powers of Pain (Warlord and Barbarian) that they were going to face the Road Warriors in a scaffold match. They thought about it, thought about taking the fall off the scaffold and then called the WWF. And that was the end of the scaffold matches for a while.
Cornette is hardcore
I saw the footage. Jesus christ he ragdolled straight down into the mat. Way he crumpled upon impact. Made my knees hurt just seein him blow his out like that.
then: Jim randomly falls off scaffold to get his team over
now: it's in the script
go watch that match again. the main difference is the crowd.
Yeah back when the crowd was not made up of marks clapping nonsense
I have this match on the best of Starrcade collection
Corny’s fall still gives me chills 😨
I have all the starrcades in their entirety, they are great to watch. Lots of great action.
I remember watching that match and seeing Cornette fall…I screamed out “Holy Shit” as he landed and his knees buckled…😳😬😬
You can see the true fan jim is he took that bump and never complained about it i bet jim gained alot of respect from the boys after that
I understand the appeal of the scaffold match on paper, but once you've seen one you should never book another one. Ever.
Every time I see that video of Jim falling I always think of Mick Foley being thrown by the undertaker off the top of the cage and that was only 16 feet 😖😖 Jim fell 20 feet and not onto a table to break his fall 🤦♂️☯️ Lol
halloween 3 was fucking good! as a stand alone movie it's classic.
Hoorah Hooray. Found the story about the scaffold matches
The scaffold match was quite ingenious. I myself always enjoyed the hair vs hair matches or the parking lot matches
Thanksgiving usually seems to fall on a Thursday. Weird.
Corny is right about one thing. Halloween III was the worst one in the series but then again it had nothing to do with Michael Myers. Lmao
Love either before work or after work coming home and listen to Jim Cornette talk about the business even if its somebody I never heard of and or seen. It's just the way he tells the stories and the way he talks about how he loved the business that he was in. I also love when he rips and or buries someone badly while getting morbidly disturbing in the ways how he would like to see said person's meet their end lol. Jim Herd, Vince Russo and, Kevin Dunn to name a few lol. "Horrible crotch rot and organs turn into jelly from the inside out while ... family watches" I think that was to Jim Herd and I may have misquoted it but you get the idea haha.
Actually I think halloween III is actually pretty damned underrated, Michael Myers or not.
@@maxxdahl6062 Honestly to each their own. I should have worded what I said before better I did try watching it on several occasions to give it an honest to God try and tried to get into it but I just could not get into Halloween III. I knew going into the movie it would be very different than the previous 2 and would have nothing to do with Michael Myers. Like I said I tried to get into it but couldn't. Everyone is different. I met some who love H3 as much as the original while other want nothing to do with that film.
@@davidstigberg8888 Different strokes for different folks, that's fair. But part of me wishes they ended Michael's story with either Halloween 1 or 2. Then went with the original idea of an anthology movie series where every one is different and it's own thing. Who knows? We might have gotten something absolutely great down the line with the idea. Considering after 3 all of the Myers movies after that have either been horrible or "meh".
I remember this Jim took a hell of a bump that night
Until he said it I didn't even think about it, I remember at least 3 times CORNETTE hit people with the racket and wind up falling on his ass like he did when hit Ronnie Garvin, Ricky Morton and I think Scott Casey. And he talks about ROBERT GIBSON always falling. LMFAO!!!!!
Oh fucks sake 🤣
Come on this is how you show you love your biz. And when you hear Cornette say i wont ask you something i won't do myself. And add to that it dont matter it was a ring down there it will hurt anyway them rings aren't as soft as most of us think they are. I have couple friends that are wrestlers in WWC Puerto Rico i had taste the ring couple times believe me aint a damn trampoline at all. Props to Jim now i understand why he defends wrestling as much as he does he would die for the love of his job.
Great picture!
The drawing is so funny, great artwork.
I knew that you and Animal were talking while he "helped" you over the scaffold😂
Hats off to you Cornette, I would never do a scaffold match no matter how much money you wanted to pay me.
I think Halloween 3 was the one without Michael Myers
Road Warrior Animal " if big Bubba does catch Cornette, he's like a 240 pound sack of crap, its gonna kill him." ROFLMAO!!!!
scaffold matches... sounds a little outlaw
Is a little outlaw. You can’t work up there. It looks like a side-scrolling beat ‘em arcade game come to life.
Even ECW decided it was too unsafe after doing a couple, and they had about 20 tables in the ring to break their fall. Take that for what you will.
I wouldn't climb up that scaffold for a hundred grand.
The scaffold is at least has intensity instead of a pole match but it was not a safe idea
6:10
Still lower than the Elbow Drop Guy.
Ironically the kid was just in a tryout tag match with his dad on NWA's show so the viral video worked to get him out there.
One year later, nobody remembers it ever happened or who he is.
Great strategy, Napoleon!
Dude if you could of swung enough to take a flat back bump from that height would of been crazy
Best moment of Jim Cornette's career!
Jerry Jarret created it I watch the interview
Season of the witch was the third halloween film. And im pretty sure it killed the town it was a bad sequel. Or maybe it was the Rob zombie version that bombed at the box office.?
I swear that there are only a couple tag teams that should even be mentioned alongside Condrey/Eaton (Stevens/Bockwinkel and Stevens/Patterson) as the GOATs.
I have seen a few scaffold matches before (including one in person), and I swear that all of them sucked.
what was the movie that inspired jarett for this match???
Actually Halloween 6: The Curse Of Michael Meyers is the really bad one in that franchise, we're talking Hogan V Warrior in WCW bad.
The original script of Halloween 6 is much better than what made it to the screen.
@@jd6473 The "Producers Cut" of part 6 somewhat redeems the film. You can find it online. But yeah, part 3 is actually kind of a great movie if you watch it on it's own merits.
Halloween III was great 😢
WHAAA?! i love halloween 3
i dunno why, but i do LOL
Booo
It's a pretty good film. And had the studio actually went through with the idea of an anthology series, we would've never gotten those abortions on film known as 4,5 and 6.
Me too, highly underrated movie. It's sort of like the people who hate friday the 13th part 5 for a few seconds at the end of the movie...after having loved it up until then.
I love Halloween 3, (except the one scene where he kicks the mask perfectly onto the camera, for some reason that just completely took me out of the story for a few minutes) I would much rather have seen the franchise go the route of the anthology like Carpenter originally wanted.
@@CuteLesbo69 Exactly I would have rather had Myers end with halloween 1 or 2. Then go anthology.
This is funny: Jim Cornette and Dr. Tom Prichard do have the same sound in their speaking breaks. For heavens sake not the one of Kip Thorne!
And I have a question:
Is Tracy Smothers related to Kane?
Scaffold matches, the best most intriguing advertised match but honestly some of the shittiest wrestling matches I’ve ever seen involved other scaffold
I went to starcade 87 and I thought it was great. I wonder why it was so poorly received
No way could I take that fall feet first. My knees would explode. I’d take my chances falling down flat on my back with my shoulders & elbows braced to hopefully absorb or distribute the impact.
I would take a few tables if I had to do one of those falls - the crowd enjoy it more and you have something to break your fall
Fell like a sack of shiet in a biietch. ayayeya
For the record, "Halloween 3" is actually a pretty good movie, if you watch it as a stand alone film. People just didn't like it because it doesn't feature Micheal Myers. They never should have released it as a "Halloween" movie, but the film has really good atmosphere and a sweet musical score.
Yes!
@@tomtanaka841 Hahaha at least _you_ know what i'm talking about. That movie is incredibly underrated. Now i'm gonna have that damn "silver shamrock" song stuck in my head all morning :P
Oh Bubba...
Hey Lamont! How's Pop? lol
@@jd6473 He is in the hospital for what he said was the "Big One." They said he didn't have a heart attack, but has to stay overnight for observation. He isn't too happy about that. Thanks for asking brother. Peace
@@ChrisfromGeorgia Well hope he feels better and I guess you better keep Aunt Ester out of there cause I seem to remember she gets him worked up haha.
@@jd6473 Will do! 😁
Puerto Rico's WWC did many scaffold matches in the 80s and all of them blew away any other scaffold matches done in USA.
I agree with Mr Cornette that you can take a bump from the scaffolding and it be believable without having to do a 450 shooting star press. But I do like how said 450 shooting star looks. I'm a sucker for well placed and feasible high spots.
So watch gymnastics then.
I would say 2 is a bad Halloween. And season of the witch is barely a Halloween movie but isn't a bad invasion of the body snatches rip ogf
I'm sorry I never got this match as a concept it's mad boring two dudes punch and stomp on each other for about like 15 minutes doing no other wrestling moves waiting for someone to get thrown off which is the only exciting point of the match is the ending never could stand them
Mulligan
the scaffold match can never come back because new jack vs. vic grimes is the final boss of scaffold matches.
That was a great match. They sold it so well making it look as if New Jack really wanted to kill the guy. What a fantastic work
@@allwightallwong5045 that's because he did
I just wonder if the Midnight Express ever won a scaffold match. IMO the scaffold matches would've been more believable had both teams (Rock N Roll Express) would've loss a few as well. But having one team win all the time would be so lame because you would already know who would win. Very lame indeed.
The whole hook for the match was to see the heels thrown off the scaffold. Nobody wanted to see their heroes take the fall. The fans saw 2 matches at the most, the Starrcade one, and the rematch in their local town. I doubt any babyface ever lost a scaffold match, it would be totally counterproductive.
@@robfinlay8058 Matter of opinion. Myself, I like the "mystery" of not knowing the outcome of matches when I watch em. Watching the baby-faces win all the time is no "mystery" its more like bullshit because you already know what the outcome will be & you'll know who will win. And that's gonna keep us fans coming back? Not me it won't. I like the "mystery" of the NOT KNOWING aspect of a match because that'll be what will keep me coming back just to see what happens next & it'll also keep the storyline/angle going strong a while longer because as a fan ya just never know. But having the same team winning all the time can be some boring ass shit. Just saying.
@@allancove4483 That's the job of a booker. To make the fans not know who is going to win. But having heels win a scaffold match where the entire build of the match has been anticipating the heels and their manager being thrown from the scaffold is just ridiculous. The Midnight Express won plenty of matches. But this was not one for them to win.
@@robfinlay8058 It's called bad booking. In my opinion the Rock N Roll Express were too chicken shit to take the lumps of being tossed off. But if the Midnight Express wanna take the lumps, whatever floats the Midnights boats. lol
@@allancove4483 Having heels win a scaffold match and the beloved babyfaces getting thrown off the scaffold is the very definition of bad booking. What purpose would it have served other than pissing off the fans?
Hmm so Jim likes scaffolding matches but not table matches cause table matches are not athletic 🤔
Where in this video did you hear that Jim _likes_ scaffold matches (not "scaffolding matches")? Because you're the only one who heard that.
It's amazing! We all know wrestling nerds can't read - now they can't even process spoken language anymore without twisting it into some nonsense in their minds, that was never said in reality.
@@henrygvidonas9573 lmao stay mad
Cornettes wife looks like Nyla Rose.
really? ughh!
Oh no she is a bit wild looking but she's not Nyla Rose. She's never been a man like that person!
actually she reminds me a of cousin of mine lol. Had the same haircut and she was really into wrestling lol
Most of Memphis wrestling is as bad as AEW.
Trump would have no sold that bump. HA
Why not bring it back? I cannot even get it in video game form....Scaffold Matches.
Well there is a mod of smackdown 2 for ps1 that has scaffold match....just saying
Because its honestly a boring match and a waste of good talent because it extremely limits what they can do.
Because it was a horrible gimmick for a wrestling match.
Hell in a cell is a pretty close approximation if you want to see wrestlers fall 20 feet
This channel needs to SLOW DOWN the uploads. We don't need a separate video for every sentence Jim says
Just listen to the Experience and the Drive-Thru and ignore the rest. The snippets are from those shows and for those who don't want to listen to a full 2 hour podcast to hear a specific story. Also reading specific comments about specific stories tend to go better in these snippets vs the full show. And of course the obvious reason of earning revenue from additional views of said snippet videos.
Usually these stories are of great significance in wrestling history so it seems ok to cut them out of a 2-3 hour podcast for someone trying to search for specific information.
@@josephstewart2821 I've definitely changed my opinion on this over the years
Its always different. Always no comparison. No arguments, no other opinions allowed, if you disagree you are banned and berated.
BigAndy BubbleGut then why are you here?
A year later the comment is still here for the entire world to see.
Man, that goddamn censorship! Quick, to the social media to announce how we are being silenced! Cancel culture, cancel culture, war on Christmas! Getting banned from somebody else's Twitter timeline violates our 1st Amendment rights somehow. It's our god-given right to take a dump in other people's living rooms!
Jim justified that BS but the X Division matches were alot better than his carny bs.
So many high fliers in WWE have never done this match! WWE should totally bring it back! At least TNA had that insane Elevation X!
Cornette is such a bitter old man.
I'm here early
Traveling Man so what know cares really now
@@chachopichardo1879 Wut?
Traveling Man what the fuck moron makes no sense at all idiot
TRUMP 2020 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hell yes!
How'd that work out?