Iron and Saltwater Battery How easy is that
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- From an obscure 'obsolete' technology that few developers were interested in a decade ago, redox flow batteries are now exploding onto the global energy storage market as a genuine multi-billion dollar competitor to lithium-ion. They have many attractive selling points already, but a US company called ESS claim to have the lowest cost, least environmentally impactful version using the cheap and abundant commodities of iron and saltwater.
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Chinese top ten Redox Flow Battery manufacturers
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V- Liquid
www.v-flow.cn/index.htm
Sumitomo Electric
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SCHMID Everflow
everflow-energy.com/
Volt Storage
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Prolux Solutions
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Largo
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Primus Power
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Lockheed Martin
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ESS
essinc.com/iron-flow-chemistry/
ESS News
www.pv-magazine.com/2023/09/2...
ESS in California
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European Flow Battery Association
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Many people can't understand why there's only so much that you can pack into a 10-20 minute, keep making the great videos.😁
Those who can, do. Those who can’t make snarky remarks in the CZcams comments section. 😉 Dave is one of the guys who can and does. Thanks as always Dave!
Wow. Since rude people never see the need to apologize, let me do so on their behalf. Love your videos, and thank you very much for all of your important work helping so many of us understand these important technologies and recent advances!!!!
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Cheers Deb. Much appreciated :-)
Thanks Deb…. Civilized people had to live with uncivilized always. Nothing new, but unfortunate too.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree.
@@avinashgore6258 And if I entertain the idea to separate them I'm becoming some kind of -phob or -ist. :D
Step 1 gently address "constructive" criticism 😅. Not only the content in this channel is brilliant you're also a great host
Thank you. I appreciate that :-)
@@JustHaveaThinkGreat video as always and you skills in using sarcasm makes me cry in laughter 😂😂
Yes I also agree. You handled the criticism in a polite (how-shall-we-say) British sophistication. Me thinks you have royalty in your genetics.
Being a farmer, I've been an offgridder for 32 years. Our biggest problem is having to consume a great deal of energy for everything in a farm. Big volumes of cheaply stored renewable energy will definitely change the face of farming and also help decrease carbon emissions. Governments are slow and sluggish in acting on the urgency of the issue. I hope they will open their eyes and minds soon. For all of us.
Governments are slowed down politically by entrenched interests that don't want change that puts them out of business.
You wouldn’t ever be able to afford it or the farm equipment.
Ever is a long time. It wasn't that long ago that people said the same thing about Computers, Cellphones and Solar panels to name three things that are well within the grasp of most people.@@marktapey7678
I want to thank you for the obviously massive effort you & your team put into these videos. There’s so much activity in renewable energy that is obviously impossible to cover everything. I think you do the best job at this of anyone on YT. The Internet can be an ugly place, just disregard the noise!
That's very kind of you. I appreciate your feedback and support :-)
Worth noting that hurtful words trigger many of the same pathways in the brain as physical pain. We can build a tolerance to pain, but if you stub your toe or touch a hot stove no one would say to just ignore those pains :)
Every battery on youtube is the one that changes everything.
There are so many dollars chasing energy breakthroughs, lay people like me just don't have the time to follow all of the developments. And many of the postings out there are click-bait, with words like "may," "could," "possibly," etc,..."be a game-changer" in the details. I am grateful for your channel as one of the few where I can get useful, understandable, factual information, free from unrestrained hyperbole. Thank you.
There have been so many “game changers”, I barely know what the game is anymore!
That's very kind feedback. Much appreciated :-)
Well said and absolutely correct.
You should be careful listening to anyone, including this channel. Everyone has their own biases and this channel is no different, he is always desperate to pump up any "green" technology and ignores the downsides of the things he discusses, here for example the reality is redux flow batteries are very low density storage systems. It is completely impractical to use these for most use cases as you would need very large amounts of land to store the energy of a large industrial lithium ion battery. This channel always seems to ignore the clear downsides of the technology he discusses if it favours an advertised green solution.
@@paulosullivan3472 Low density storage is only a problem if physical space is at a premium, i.e. on board a vehicle. But for grid scale storage, the usual constraints are cost and lifespan, not size. Lithium batteries are expensive, and have a relatively low ceiling on the number of charging cycles they can handle. Flow batteries can be made of much cheaper materials (like iron and salt!), and can avoid the dendrite problem that eventually kills lithium. This makes it cheaper. If the grid battery farm needs another acre or two of land, that’s ok, if it means saving millions of dollars in the process. Make sure you’re looking at the correct constraints.
“A little bit of both”
I love your wit and delivery.
Your higher level of sass in this video is sparking joy.
A German company is advertising a flow battery that can be installed at home like a powerwall:
"Prolux Solutions says that all components can be repaired indefinitely. It notes that the vanadium electrolyte also retains at least 95% of its capacity, even after 20 years, so it can be reused indefinitely."
I live off grid full time and now use LIFEPO4 but I like the idea of a battery that can be fully repaired and doesn't require Lithium mining and can be fully recycled.
Had to watch the intro several times. Adressing the "constructive critique" this way once in a while is certainly worth the laugh!
Bloody brilliant intro! I'm only 45 seconds in, and I love it already
Absolutely love your sense of humor! :D
Cheers :-)
Your intro was hilarious. There are so many technologies for large scale storage it would be impossible to do the subject justice. Each has its own advantages, the major being long life cycles and full discharge and recharge. Redux flow, liquid metal etc. However critical people can be the great advantage of these technologies is their cost and longevity . Keep up the good work.
Thanks for your great research and your fantastic sense of humor!
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
It's hard to imagine anyone would be hard on you as you provide energizing (no pun intended) information on technologies that will help mankind. I watch every video you make and learn good info every time. Thank You!
That's very kind :-)
Thank you for another great video! Redox flow batteries really seem to be taking off. It's nice to see so many companies investing in what could be a key renewable technology.
And it has made me regain hope that we can maybe make it, since this seems quite a tested technology by now.
I used to have a copy of a hobbyists magazine which was published in the 1920’s, and which contained instructions for making a redox battery, based on Bromine.
Love your humble approach and great sense of British humour. Cheers from Cape Town where most Americans still think that we have elephants and lions roaming our streets.
Love your channel! Really enjoy your solid and informative content.
I appreciate that! Thank you :-)
thank you for kickstarting my brain every week. it has chipped away the cobb webs stored there.
Glad to help :-)
“…I’m not saying that!” Lol
Thanks for the dead pan humour and being so dang clever. We love this content and your delivery!
Dave, I look forward to your videos every week! They are not only interesting, but give me a deep feeling of hope 🙏
Thank you. Glad you like them!
Love the videos. Thank you for making them. This channel is one of only a handful that I actually have notifications turned on for.
Ditto. Scared Team JHaT might go payg. 😮
Thank you :-)
Love to see these integrated into sub station networks to lower Electricity costs by storing cheap night energy to release during the day!!
Lower costs??? Surely you mean more profits
Dave, I appreciate your videos! It is my opinion, based on my own energy needs, doing a lot of reading, watching everything on batteries and renewable energy, etc., that batteries are the key to everything! We need less expensive, home and business scale storage batteries. And these batteries need to be inexpensive, safe, affordable, easily recyclable, low cost, made of common materials, and economical. We also need more streamlined permitting and easier access to financing for small scale solar, wind and batteries. Citizens have been mistreated by the utility monopolies for far too long. Distributed energy production and storage is robust.
Distributed energy makes incredibly good sense in our warlike world.
Exactly! and why I've taken a $5K stake in the ESS iron flow battery company! To the moon🚀
Having discovered your channel recently, I've enjoyed your videos and am particularly excited about this one as I've been following and researching GWH (ESS) for about a year. It makes me more comfortable in my recent decision to take some profits on 5% of my nvidia holdings which I sold at $489 and invested in GWH. Don't see how this can be a bad move. Keep digging and finding these hidden gems!
Thank you!
Wow! You want these to be inexpensive, affordable, low cost & economical all at the same time. That's easy just make them "cheap" ;-).
Thank you for all you do providing useful information and that allows me to be informed of what’s going on in a clear and concise manner.
Fascinating! Thanks a bunch, Dave!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Iron and saltwater could be game changing given how cheap the materials are!
We've not had figures for efficiency...
That might be an Achillies heel for any system, since it represents a ongoing cost.
Bingo, when it's omitted it's usually bad. I hate that most about Battery news. About 10 important properties exist. He could rattle them all off in a second. But never happens. Disappointing channel
So what’s the downside? There must be some reason everyone else is using vanadium. Some trade off.
@@OrenTirosh energy is lost when the battery is charged and when it us discharged. It might be that iron solutions lose more energy than vanadium ones.
@@dougaltolan3017 spot on, it's like a ridiculous 60% round trip efficiency. Pretty much need to double your entire generation capacity to compensate
LOVE your attitude towards additional incoming info 😀 -- kudos to you for your open-mindedness 👍
…love your sense of humour, as well as your in depth presentations…cheers!
Thank you :-)
So far I like everything about this technology.
Love your content as an EE in training to keep up with newer tech and companies easily. Thank you!
Keep up the good work Ben. You have a very busy and lucrative career ahead of you :-)
Love your humour, Dave! Great video, good to see practical mass storage solutions available. Now the utilities just need to be motivated to invest
Exactly, but if they manage to get down to 5 cents per kWh then a lot of private investors will be jumping in to add storage.
In my research I discovered that my utility, SDG&E has two installations of ESS energy warehouses and they also have contracts with SMUD to install up to 2GWH of long term storage!
@@580guru great news! I think a lot of the changes are taking place quietly and the much louder voices of the “petroleum will never be replaced!” crowd are getting more attention. There’s no question that it’s still many miles to go but the pace of both innovation and adoption of these alternatives is cause for optimism.
Superb coverage of redox flow technologies. I’ve been in the vanadium redox flow industry for the past couple of years and you’ve manage to capture many hard won learnings in such a short and eloquent couple of videos.
Thank you for your ongoing great work in shining a spotlight of truth in this global transition effort.
That's great feedback! Much appreciated :-)
Great response Dave! Bringing us all up to date on just how far down the road this tech is. Seems like we have many options and they all look good. .
A follow up/revisit of the organic thing you mentioned at the end here might be worth doing.
I do very much enjoy your videos. Keep it up!
awesome, all your videos are so clear and interesting and we need to stay well informed, even though the scope is large and the developments are fast. What you bring together is not only fascinating, it shows us developments we would otherwise not know about at all. Thanks!
Thank you. That's very kind feedback
Keeping as close as you do to such a fast moving subject is remarkable and I look forward to watching the new video every time, a truly fascinating subject area. My working days are almost over but if I had them again I’d love to be involved in this vibrant industry
Thank you very much!
I’m in Canada and there are numerous small communities in remote isolated locations, especially in the North. They usually depend on diesel generators to provide electrical power. Are there any companies offering renewable power sources coupled with short/long term electricity storage. In particular, solar does not work well for a large part of the winter in the Northwest Territory, Yukon and Nunavut. Love your videos. I find I feel more positive about the future for my grandchildren from you research and videos. Ignore the negative comments. There way too many negative, critical, anonymous voices on the internet.
Excellent information.
Having multiple solutions to a common problem is a good thing.
Nature successfully uses diversity, so should we.
People can be terrible, especially online. I appreciate the work you do! On the topic itself, 5c/kWh LCOS with the specs stated (including non-toxicity) sounds pretty dang good. It would be on a level where I think it is cheaper than many of the non-renewables we are using today. So this really sounds promising as a grid-scale energy storage that could help to make a big push towards sustainable electricity production.
Hey dude glad you got to ESS because these companies that are finding solutions without using more expensive elements or rare earth are critical to sustainable grid storage, which is critical for green energy, so I put them high up on the list of great solutions and am hoping they start winning lots of contracts to get their tech out there. I mean they've already installed systems, but when we get the most benefit is when a few of these start to push out the others so there are less competitors AND they can then get to economics of scale.
Innovation is a trial and error.To find the best technology that works.Keep up the great videos.
I've been working on my own homemade Redox flow battery using washing up liquid and toothpaste as the electrolyte solutions... Joking aside, it's amazing how many different techniques and materials are being used to make batteries - thank you for opening our eyes and giving us real hope for the future :-))
Love the humour and the information. 😂
Thank you :-)
I love your sense of humor, as expressed in the first 45 seconds. 😂
If ever there was a stimulus that stirs my flagging brain into my fast approaching 8th decade that accolade has to go to your 'Just Have A Think' program that I look forward to on a regular basis. Thank you so much for the quality of the contents and for the exceptional manner in which you put the topic/s over. Brilliant!
That is very kind feedback. Thank you :-)
Needed a flashing neon sign on wall above your head say "He's lying!" when at beginning you were saying how wonderful all comments are.
I will have to keep an eye-on this technology
Dear Dave, you are a fabulous human being! Thank you for every video, even the climate ones that terrify me. I am proud to be a Patreon supporter, and very grateful that you can keep uploading such high quality videos week after week.
Thank you :-) and thank you for your fantastic support!
I like not only the content of this chan, but how it is delivered.
Thank you :-)
What a hoot. What a good laugh, I’m so glad that you’re able to deal with constructive criticisms. Mush better than I would have. Love your show always a delight. Gives me something to think on.
Love your mature spirit ans sense of humor...
You are the best
Thank you for your comprehensive presentations
Glad you like them!
Thoroughly enjoy your humour. Never change:)
Initially had no idea what you were talking about but laughed out loud when you said a little bit of both. Always surprises me that people can be rude to people that are just trying to do their best to entertain and educate. Also, LOL at your attitude is what made me subscribe just now.
thumbs up just for the first min of episode, thax for the smile and the good info
Love the intro !!!! superb video as always. Thank You.
Job well done, as always!
Thank you :-)
Brilliant! Love your videos, and thank you very much for all of your research and time.
I don't know how you did it, but you found the PERFECT balance between telling off trolls and being informative, as well as entertaining. Bravo, sir.
Love your videos, please keep doing them. Internet seems to bring the best and worst of people. It is easy to criticize people, not so easy to do something positive (like your videos).
😂😂😂😂, your delivery, sir, is impeccable. Keep showing us how it's done.
Thanks, will do!
Hello from Canada and thank you for your videos!
You are so welcome!
Thanks, Dave. No need to attempt to remedy your past emissions: some things are beyond us all; I recommend glancing disdainfully at your nearest neighbour while sidling out of the room. Great program!
Thanks again for your work. Like a previous commenter, I cannot believe some of the idiots of this world feel it’s appropriate to be rude to you - it isn’t and I hope they grow up soon! John
Love your (lightly sarcastic) humor, made me laugh a few times 😏👍
Would love to hear more about these sort of batteries for in house application.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Hey friend, you’re doing a great job. Watching you troll the trolls is entertaining.
Thank you :-)
🤦♂️I will never understand people like that. Thank you for your videos! It’s hard to find videos about research on renewable resources that actually describe smaller details about the research. Keep it up!
Thanks man, you're the best channel on renewables out there because you never fall victim to the hype, keep on the good work :)
Thank you :-)
He fell victim to some anti-nuclear fusion hype, that weird fear-inducing intro he has in his video about nuclear fusion is very inappropriate.
Legendary! Well played sir!
Really appreciate the effort & time behind the video - thank you for your time and for sharing your passion - Voltstorage GmbH don't know if it is the same you mention for vanadium, do iron flow as well...I personally wouldn't even consider vanadium or bromide for home use if a iron flow solution were available (due to their toxicity) in a more manageable form rather than a 33 Ton heavy & 40 feet long container
Thank you for your efforts. Always interesting 👍
Hi, thank you very much for your nice reportings on YT, your channel are all of time very interresting, I 'm so impressed by the next generation of batteries SolidStateBatteries (SSBs) (CATL Shenxing and more other Startups like Quantumscape, SiliconPower NAVA Technologies, Northvolt...etc.) best greatings from Luxembourg! 🙂👌👋👍👍👍
On-tare-ee-oh. Great video. Great info and, ngl, what with your cadence and accent, you have a very soothing voice. 🙂
Dear Mr. Borlace, thank you for your fascinating series of CZcams clips, with subject matter, always interesting in itself, made easily digestible by your relaxed style of presentation. Off the subject, though, Professor Pedantic asked me to give you an ever-so-gentle nudge and inform you that here in Ont-AH-rio we all say Ont-AIR-io. Good luck to you sir.
Fair enough. I stand corrected :-)
Excellent knowledgeable great explanations comprehensive you're one of the best tech explanation shows on CZcams if not the best
Thank you. I really appreciate that :-)
Dave, I think this is the first time your intro has literally had me laughing out loud. Really well done, loved it. Great follow up, and yes that surprises me as well with regards to LM 🙂.
I enjoy your videos thank you for your hard work
I am not interested in batteries etc but I like this channel and the presentation of the presenter
I always find your reports clear & valuable. I thank you for all your long-standing efforts. I support 7 wildlife/enviromental groups, Amnesty & Labour. Also I care for my wounded Chinese partner so I fear I'm not able to be a patron. But I do recommend your work as the best UK person dealing with renewables, Nuclear & all such matters.
I appreciate you watching and leaving positive feedback Peter, That's good enough for me :-)
LOL!!! Well done, sir! As always, your videos are both entertaining and enlightening. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Keep going on your path, you are doing what we vote for aren't. You can't make everyone happy even if you are the best.
Seriously you are the best even in your scariest videos.
Please don't let us down, I'm saving for solar and right storage system in the future and you are my book where i can study.
Always a pleasure.
Kind regards
Aussie mate
That may be up there with one of the most mature responses I have ever seen. Color me impressed. I'm taking notes on how to deal with unkind feedback 😅
Thank you. I really appreciate your support :-)
First to demonstrate the vanadium battery was of course Maria Kazacas of NSW University Australia. I thought it was a great idea . Naturally what came to mind then was other elements to use with multiple valence states to exploit , elements like iron yes , then there's copper too but iron is more appealing. Lead also has multiple valence states and the lead acid battery operates because of this . The advantage is when you can avoid the clutter and unpredictability of how heaps of different substances will adversely interact and shorten life . There's heaps of different substances in the lithium batteries as an example. .
Always a chuckle 🤣
Cheers :-)
You are really funny sometimes, love what you do ❤️
Thank you :-)
Awesome content!! Love from Brazil!
Thanks for watching!
Another great video, thanks for sharing.
Dave, you are doing a great job! Keep the information and ideas coming. Don’t let anyone get you down. Remember, no one has the perfect answer right now. If they say they do, I would be very skeptical.
Cheers Dan :-)
It’s gonna take a lot of people working on a lot of technologies to solve our problems. No one system can solve it all.
This comment is a little late but I'd like to see your detractors create content that anyone might find interesting , informative or even slightly entertaining. Cheers and thanks from Aussie James.
keep on rock and rolling your doing a great job🙂
Thank you for the information.
Many you tubers I have watched have mentioned similar rude comments. Maybe auto bots 😒 Anyways, I enjoy your videos and always learn something new! Thank you💜
Awesome vid. Thanks. Honorable mention to Elestor (in Netherlands) with their Hydrogen Bromide battery. That gives synergy with electrolysers and a hydrogen grid.
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Nice work as usual; been enjoying your channel for some time. As to the posts, it’s amazing to me how some folks just can’t help themselves from commenting in a personal, negative way. Guess we all can succumb to childish tendencies no matter how old we get.
Indeed. Thanks for your support though :-)
Thanks for the great info