How Much Power Are You Losing w/ Extensions? Dyno Test 3" 6" 15"

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  • čas přidán 25. 03. 2021
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    This video is especially for the sometimes learning adverse folk of TikTok (justinp_4.0 included) who think extensions on an impact wrench work just like extensions on a torque wrench. 3" v 6" v 15" (1, 2 & 3pc) vs Harbor freight wobble Extensions. This is what we bought: amzn.to/3lifnmG What type and length of socket extension will lose the most amount of power and why? We all use these every day, and we know they rob power from our impact wrench, but how much? We chart this loss on a graph so you can do your own cost benefit analysis.
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Komentáře • 581

  • @TorqueTestChannel
    @TorqueTestChannel  Před 3 lety +151

    Disclaimer: This pertains to extensions used with an impact, not hand tools. The torsion action of the extension bar is absorbing some of each impact blow, inefficiently translating it down the length and turning that impact force into heat rather than work. With constant and gradual force like a torque wrench this is completely avoided in most cases.

    • @timothydillon6421
      @timothydillon6421 Před 3 lety +3

      Can you list your email again. I'm interested in sending you a few impacts to test.

    • @TorqueTestChannel
      @TorqueTestChannel  Před 3 lety +7

      @@timothydillon6421 TorqueTestChannel@gmail.com :)

    • @freezzerriss
      @freezzerriss Před 3 lety +18

      Should have put all of them together like six feet long and mesure torque just for shits and giggles.

    • @mdubg01
      @mdubg01 Před 3 lety +3

      So with a hand torque wrench there’s no loss when using extensions?

    • @krismorey
      @krismorey Před 3 lety +2

      So if I used 48 inches of extensions and a swivel, plus my eclectric Impact does idk maybe 150lbs. My housing bolts are not torqued 75lbs. Probably.

  • @colemanbonner
    @colemanbonner Před 3 lety +386

    This is why we want the impact wrenches with absurd overkill power, because even with a 50% torque loss, we’re able to apply sufficient torque thru that 24” reducing adapter down to that 3/8 swivel onto a bellhousing bolt while holding one eye shut and cursing.

    • @krismorey
      @krismorey Před 3 lety +24

      I was watching this wondering how tight my bell housing bolts actually are 🤔

    • @jakelowang4132
      @jakelowang4132 Před 3 lety +5

      I had to use an 1 inch air gun to remove the 4 axle nuts on my Subaru Outback no joke, my cousin at first gave me is 1/2 inch electric gun it more than enough, after i switch to the 1/2 air gun no succes so i took the 1 inch good to remove truck wheel and it barely moved at first after 15 sec the nuts started to speed up i was damn.

    • @dingusbingus8554
      @dingusbingus8554 Před 3 lety +9

      if youre using an impact on a bellhousing bolt whatsoever please remind me never to let you work on my cars

    • @Crehvix
      @Crehvix Před 3 lety +47

      @@dingusbingus8554 looks like someone’s never worked on cars in their life

    • @colemanbonner
      @colemanbonner Před 3 lety +37

      @@dingusbingus8554 “tell me you’ve never removed a transmission, without TELLING me you’ve never removed a transmission.”

  • @SouthMainAuto
    @SouthMainAuto Před 3 lety +444

    Hard to carry this thing around without blushing 😂

  • @johnmorrow1628
    @johnmorrow1628 Před 3 lety +256

    It would be cool to see how accurate torque sticks are with
    High torque pneumatic and electric
    Mid torque pneumatic and electrical

    • @JoeBidenIsNotMyPresident
      @JoeBidenIsNotMyPresident Před 3 lety +14

      You just read my mind 👍

    • @charlesb4267
      @charlesb4267 Před 3 lety +5

      I think that is a great idea, it would show how effective torque sticks are with varying power going into them and if they can actually be trusted. Here in the province of Alberta anyway and not sure if its a Canada wide practice but the torque wrench is the final item used to check wheel bolt torque where as from what I gather in the USA its a lot more random in shop practices with the methods they use for mounting wheels for example. Here it used to be that same way but that changed a number of years ago, I suspect too many wheel off or loosening issues due to aluminum wheels and lug nut style that seem to be more critical.

    • @Pro1er
      @Pro1er Před 3 lety +4

      Torque sticks are going to be more accurate with an air gun because the gun needs to be calibrated to the sticks. Once you find the correct settings for each stick on one particular gun you can write them down and you're good to go from then on.

    • @charlesb4267
      @charlesb4267 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Pro1er Interesting as I've never bothered to buy a set of torque sticks so didn't have them available to test out on wheels. That tells me they could be very inconsistent if the air supply is not 100 % regulated to a set value as per air tools and which air tool is being used. Now electric, well they could be more accurate as it takes out that variable but the proof will be in the testing on this channel.

    • @Pro1er
      @Pro1er Před 3 lety +2

      @@charlesb4267 That's how torque sticks work, they need a consistent power delivery (PSI) for best accuracy. With a battery operated gun a low battery can affect the torque of the gun as well, but the issue is that there is no way to dial up or down the amount of torque the gun is applying so you have to take that into account when measuring the sticks and compensate thusly. I use my sticks on a battery gun and they work fine but you have to remember torque sticks are not meant to be a replacement for a torque wrench, they work well for wheel lugs which is what I use mine for, but they are not meant for things like head bolts.

  • @steveo7265
    @steveo7265 Před 3 lety +52

    I love the graphs. Much better than just getting a final number at the end of each test.

  • @MrSteve8511
    @MrSteve8511 Před 3 lety +56

    Well... it's time to test torque sticks now!

  • @300DBenz
    @300DBenz Před 3 lety +92

    So length DOES matter?!
    I’ve been lied to!

    • @anthonysinclair5721
      @anthonysinclair5721 Před 3 lety +9

      Inversely in this case! lol 😆

    • @Tools-awesomeness
      @Tools-awesomeness Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah, this is why I care A LOT for “nut busting”!
      I know them liking it when it removes in them fast and hard hitting’ them..
      Hey, I’m just talking about sockets though 😆

    • @jcrueller
      @jcrueller Před 3 lety +1

      And angle apparently

    • @FAMOUSSLICKRICK
      @FAMOUSSLICKRICK Před 3 lety

      Hahaha!!! LOL!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Heretic306
    @Heretic306 Před 3 lety +77

    This channel is amazing. This is like mythbusters for mechanics!

  • @felixboge9559
    @felixboge9559 Před 3 lety +23

    I can't believe you had all those extensions and didn't try puting them all together.

    • @tjboylan20
      @tjboylan20 Před 3 lety +4

      Today we are trying a 45 3/4” extension

    • @_Dimon_
      @_Dimon_ Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah, i clicked on this video specifically for that test.

  • @tylerw4593
    @tylerw4593 Před 3 lety +19

    All information, no fluff, straight to the point. This channel is going places.

  • @MustangAficionado
    @MustangAficionado Před 3 lety +71

    Awesome info! You should stack all the wobbles together and see what the loss is, you know for science 'n stuff :P

    • @TorqueTestChannel
      @TorqueTestChannel  Před 3 lety +30

      You guys are sick, love it. We can put something together shortly

    • @Jonjims1532
      @Jonjims1532 Před 3 lety +13

      Maybe stand behind a wall too. 🤣

    • @TorqueTestChannel
      @TorqueTestChannel  Před 3 lety +31

      @@Jonjims1532 We might have to stack enough together so that we're around the corner for that mess!

    • @Jonjims1532
      @Jonjims1532 Před 3 lety +10

      I love this channel. Yall seem like you have so much fun.

    • @TorqueTestChannel
      @TorqueTestChannel  Před 3 lety +33

      @@Jonjims1532 We work full time jobs, so this a hobby. It's what we want to be doing with our free time. Using tools the rest of the week can be a slog, so using them here in fun and sometimes stupid ways is like a vacation!

  • @kvernesdotten
    @kvernesdotten Před 3 lety +16

    This is so interesting and answer so many questions I had. Funny to see that the distance seems to be more important than the number of connections

    • @TheJttv
      @TheJttv Před 3 lety +3

      I wonder if that means that the metal itself is twisting rather than losing power in the connection

    • @kvernesdotten
      @kvernesdotten Před 3 lety +6

      @@TheJttv It should be. Those extensions are impact rated, so they should be fairly elastic compared to other tool steels.
      In any case its funny to see how number of connections isnt the big bad that its claimed to be

    • @hannahranga
      @hannahranga Před rokem

      @@kvernesdotten bad practice but would have been interesting to see a non impact extension tested.

  • @peterfaggella3120
    @peterfaggella3120 Před 3 lety +18

    This channel is going to get real big. Real quick.

  • @Nobody-vr5nl
    @Nobody-vr5nl Před 3 lety +2

    U tool testers r doing gods work. Answering my random curiosity I've thought about but never tested.

  • @bryansmith5415
    @bryansmith5415 Před 3 lety +2

    I, like others, would like to see chrome vs impact and torque sticks (new vs aged).
    This channel is great!! So many things I’ve been told throughout my career being put to the test.

  • @Jay_Ira
    @Jay_Ira Před 3 lety +18

    As always great testing. I'm looking forward to seeing the universal joint vs pinless universal joint tests.

    • @Colin56ish
      @Colin56ish Před 3 lety

      Yeah not all Uni joints are created equal!

  • @latemodelclassics
    @latemodelclassics Před 3 lety +5

    This takes the cake as the most useful video I've seen all year, if not the last decade. Thank you for this.

  • @johnanthony8865
    @johnanthony8865 Před 3 lety +4

    I just really want y’all to know that this has become one of my favorite channels to watch. As soon as I see you post a video, I’m watching it. Great stuff man. Please keep up the great work.

  • @BlindBatG34
    @BlindBatG34 Před 3 lety +7

    Nice work as always. You guys do a fantastic job with editing. I can’t wait to see how the universal sockets pan out.

  • @MrBazor17
    @MrBazor17 Před 3 lety +11

    Can you make video of impact sockets vs regular ? How much they loose the power of torque.
    Grettings from Poland :D

  • @schwenn001
    @schwenn001 Před 2 lety

    i cant tell you enough how perfect this channel is. no fluffy shit.

  • @markrahkola3365
    @markrahkola3365 Před 3 lety

    I love this test! I love the way you grafted out the torque curves! Can't wait to see more! Now subscribed!

  • @HuntsWorkshop
    @HuntsWorkshop Před 3 lety

    Thank you for testing this! I've always wondered about this and especially the impact swivel you mentioned.

  • @xPreatorianx1
    @xPreatorianx1 Před 3 lety +1

    Amazing channel, thanks to Eric O for pointing it out. Love the practicality of this. Even from a DIYer perspective. Knowing the torque gain or loss with your tools, gives a new meaning to "right tool for the right job."

  • @EzBible
    @EzBible Před rokem

    1st off you have the most professional channel on the Internet. As an engineering I had to run tests. You are number 1 consistent. This video on extension torque loss explains the dreaded Honda crankshaft bolt. I used a 450 Ft/lb air drive torque wrench with at least a 12 in extension. Maybe longer. It's been a while. Eventually got it loose with a 30 inch breaker bar plus the 24 inch cheater pipe adding another foot, and of course an extension that was about 15 inches. So your test shows the torque is basically cut in half which solves one of the major questions in the universe.

  • @cruizer59
    @cruizer59 Před 3 lety

    Really cool to see the numbers across all these tests! The end outcome was no surprise but nobody has ever provided the actual numbers, and that’s what makes this so interesting. Keep these videos coming please! Thanks for the education 👍💯💯

  • @stephenbay9564
    @stephenbay9564 Před 3 lety

    You guys are GREAT! Only people that don't have an interest in one brand vs. the other can do this. Please keep this testing of various tools and accessories up!

  • @TsunauticusIV
    @TsunauticusIV Před 3 lety +12

    So cool to watch your channel grow. I knew instantly that this was gonna be a fantastic channel. Thanks, again, for everything you do! 🙏🏼

  • @aronschrep
    @aronschrep Před 2 lety

    I watched this when it first came out. I was watching some other channels on other things and this popped up so figured I would watch it again. It made me think of a repair I did 20 years ago that I had forgotten about. I was changing a starter on a '81 Freightliner out in the middle of a field. It was -16 snowing and blowing. That starter was stuck on their and difficult to get to. I ended up using a few feet of extensions with a 1/2" craftsmen wobble. A few reducers were used as well. I was running a 1" IR impact reduced to 3/4" extensions then reduced again to 1/2". I was running it off an IR trailer compressor with a 1" air hose. It finally broke those bolts loose. I wondered how much power I lost and I bet it was a lot. The impact would be an older equivalent for the 285B-6 I was running 160 or so PSI.

  • @stevenmcclure4094
    @stevenmcclure4094 Před 3 lety

    I first learned about torque loss reading in a MSC catalogue about torque wrenches. This video was a lot more fun to watch.

  • @kappa190800
    @kappa190800 Před 3 lety

    This is the channel I didn't know I needed, but I definitely need it now

  • @Shazzkid
    @Shazzkid Před 3 lety +1

    The live drawing graph is awesome, a great touch i havent seen in any CZcams test vids before.

  • @bostedtap8399
    @bostedtap8399 Před 3 lety

    Excellent testing and real world results.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @deshaunsc920
    @deshaunsc920 Před 3 lety

    I love this channel sm help me so much working on my engineering project and buying the right tools

  • @KieranSulikosky
    @KieranSulikosky Před 3 lety

    Man this is such a well put together video. Thank you!

  • @saturnmedia1
    @saturnmedia1 Před 3 lety

    Extremely well made video!!! Great job man!!

  • @PCMenten
    @PCMenten Před 3 lety

    My mind is blown. Big, important lessons here. Sharing with gearheads. Thanks!

  • @TylerDwag
    @TylerDwag Před 3 lety

    I've never subscribed on the first video I've watched on a channel till now. Awesome work!

  • @Gtbie_
    @Gtbie_ Před 2 lety

    This is amazing see the graph and how everything is put together really good

  • @andrews8722
    @andrews8722 Před 3 lety +9

    Test the Honda heavy crank pully socket vs impact sockets. Or large chrome vs large impact sockets.

  • @IMSEMICRAZY
    @IMSEMICRAZY Před 3 lety

    That moving chart is awesome. Makes it that much more interesting.

  • @ThadrinC
    @ThadrinC Před 3 lety +2

    Have to say I love this channel and how it’s puts everything to the test! That being said I would love to see how using a 1/2 to 3/8 reducer or the other way around effects torque. Also would like to see how torque sticks are affected by air or electric impacts, top end vs low end. Keep up the amazing work!!

  • @curbo34
    @curbo34 Před 3 lety +4

    How is this channel still so underground?! Been waiting years for someone to do this.

  • @pospc2
    @pospc2 Před 3 lety +4

    I do like to use the wobble extensions. I figured they gave up some torque but sometimes it's the difference between having to do it by hand and being able to use the impact.

  • @dakotaherren6612
    @dakotaherren6612 Před 3 lety

    Really cool to see you guys making these videos, I’d be curious to see the extensions being used again but have the operator hold the extension with their hand. I’ve had to do it a few times and it does work to get things loose.

  • @Troy_Built
    @Troy_Built Před 3 lety

    Thanks for the video. I expected some loss but the result was much more dramatic than expected.

  • @truthserum9157
    @truthserum9157 Před 3 lety

    That’s it, I’m in, I subscribed after seeing your video for the first time, I’ve always wondered about such things.

  • @jamiedaugherty1
    @jamiedaugherty1 Před 3 lety

    Absolutely outstanding video, thanks!

  • @Zendail
    @Zendail Před 3 lety

    Wow this is great info. Love the graphs

  • @MrJewripper
    @MrJewripper Před 3 lety +4

    Your videos are top quality

  • @gregblau8082
    @gregblau8082 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video. Something I’ve always wondered about

  • @jimdevilbiss9125
    @jimdevilbiss9125 Před 3 lety

    An excellent test as always. It’s just that sometimes you got to use what you got to use to get the job done.

  • @JackdeDuCoeur
    @JackdeDuCoeur Před 3 lety

    Great comparo and info! Nice work

  • @phermey
    @phermey Před 3 lety

    I been wondering this. Thanks for the vid.

  • @Pynetree81
    @Pynetree81 Před 3 lety

    Wow I must say I was actually surprised at the resulting loss of torque with this!! I’ve always heard that using extension will create a loss of torque but I never would have thought it would have been a 50% loss of torque! That’s just crazy to me! Well done.

  • @802Garage
    @802Garage Před 3 lety

    Really cool info. Essentially, longer extensions act just like torque sticks. Makes sense!

  • @jblaze725
    @jblaze725 Před 5 měsíci

    I love the channel. Very informative and just fun to watch. I've seen videos done very similarly on other channels and they got the same numbers coming to the conclusion that the extensions didn't cause losses. I always figured they did but now I'm curious how their tests shows such different results when seemingly done in the same manner?

  • @theperfectpaintertoolreview

    Very interesting. Glad u made this video, thanks.

  • @wolfy3200
    @wolfy3200 Před 3 lety

    Hands down the best video on CZcams. Im interested in the difference between sizes now (¼,⅜,½, and hex drill bits).

  • @ikon8275
    @ikon8275 Před 3 lety

    that's actually really fascinating so basically the more joints of extensions you use....it takes a way longer time to get to your targeted torque.

  • @robertomoe6027
    @robertomoe6027 Před 3 lety

    These videos are amazing 🥲

  • @Smooththatsme
    @Smooththatsme Před 3 lety

    I love me some torque data! Keep the content coming!

  • @krisfarlee
    @krisfarlee Před 3 lety

    Wow. Excellent video. Subscribed & liked!

  • @spyder001
    @spyder001 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice, you got a new fan.

  • @Texantroll
    @Texantroll Před 3 lety +2

    Would like to see the difference between impact and chrome sockets

  • @JoeBidenIsNotMyPresident
    @JoeBidenIsNotMyPresident Před 3 lety +17

    This has to be one of the most underrated CZcams channels out there. Good job and keep up the good work 👍👍

  • @antsh1985
    @antsh1985 Před 7 měsíci

    amazing, I was always wondering how much torque gets lost using extensions, thx a lot, very informative.

  • @adamjohnson531
    @adamjohnson531 Před 3 lety

    Always quick to pick up an impact. To afraid to bust ya knuckles! Back in my day 👊💪 these was the only tools we needed !

  • @CJINW
    @CJINW Před rokem

    Fantastic information!!!

  • @12005914
    @12005914 Před 3 lety

    Excellent vídeo.

  • @ohiohunter3303
    @ohiohunter3303 Před 3 lety

    Congratulations you've successfully reinvented the hydraulic press channel concept

  • @tydosify
    @tydosify Před 3 lety

    great videos keep it going !!

  • @larryseibold4287
    @larryseibold4287 Před 3 lety

    amazing! really useful stuff. Data to back my gut, but what was really surprising to me is, regardless of the number of parts (one piece vs two vs three), It was the combined length that drove the final peak torque, not the sloppy joints, yet the curves to get there did matter.

  • @noc8076
    @noc8076 Před 3 lety +2

    1/2 to 3/4 adapter, 3/4 extension then a 3/4 to 1/2 reducer would be interesting for long extension use.

  • @kolegakolega
    @kolegakolega Před měsícem

    I lhave learned many things from this video. Thanks 🙏

  • @djarcforceable
    @djarcforceable Před 3 lety +1

    Well I guess now I have 162 channel subs lol. Loving these test videos for sure. Keep em coming!

  • @michelhadid
    @michelhadid Před 3 lety

    Love this channel

  • @mattmgarza
    @mattmgarza Před 2 lety

    This is very helpful!

  • @williamGSXR110
    @williamGSXR110 Před 3 lety +11

    The important thing to remember is that losing a significant portion of your torque is better than having no torque. I'd always prefer 250lb-ft on a fastener than 0lb-ft.

  • @ToolswithSoAlz
    @ToolswithSoAlz Před 3 lety

    That was very informative and entertaining

  • @broken1965
    @broken1965 Před rokem

    This channel worth its weight in pneumatics

  • @chincemagnet
    @chincemagnet Před 3 lety

    This was a great idea 👍🏼

  • @conqwiztadore2213
    @conqwiztadore2213 Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @StupidBlokeStupidVideos

    This is a great test and something I’ve tried to explain to people before. The amount of loss from an impact gun through an extension will vary massively, not only dependant on the rigidity/length of the extensions themselves but also dependent on the impact gun itself. Some guns use bigger hammers, some use smaller hammers but hitting at a higher frequency to achieve the same output at the chuck. In my experience, bigger hammer guns overcome the flex of an extension better and don’t lose as much torque.

  • @anthonysinclair5721
    @anthonysinclair5721 Před 3 lety +1

    How did this get into my feed???? ....but it was awesome! Thanks 👍😎

  • @elebeu
    @elebeu Před 3 lety

    I like the real time graph info..

  • @tonistarks2874
    @tonistarks2874 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video! I constantly use my impact torque Milwaukee wrench and wonder how much I'm losing on torque

  • @jw4620
    @jw4620 Před 3 lety

    Amazing! Thanks!

  • @jonnda
    @jonnda Před 3 lety +5

    I look forward to comparing a wobble extension with a universal joint.

  • @ThatToast
    @ThatToast Před 3 lety

    very interesting results, never knew the extensions made such an impact

  • @DirtE30
    @DirtE30 Před 3 lety

    I have a set of the wobble impact extensions, they’re actually quite handy with my lower TQ 18v Ryobi for general low tq requirement use.

  • @KM-os4be
    @KM-os4be Před 3 lety

    Good Job Torque Test. For me the loss of torque was even greater than I thought it would be with the extensions.

  • @06goatm6
    @06goatm6 Před 3 lety

    great test

  • @jimmyvaught
    @jimmyvaught Před 3 lety

    Very cool! I'd love to see the loss over time. I have one harbor freight impact swivel and I swear it sucks up nearly all the nut bustin' power.

  • @josephcortez3143
    @josephcortez3143 Před 3 lety

    Great video

  • @andrewmay3584
    @andrewmay3584 Před rokem

    I commented on your video testing heavier sockets a little while ago, and this supports the idea that the losses come from the twist of the tooling and rebound at the junctions. Twisting losses in these tests are preeminent over rebound losses because of the high aspect ratio of the tooling. I bet if you swapped one of the extensions for a deep socket of the same length, it would improve over both the 2-piece and solid 15” extensions because the low aspect ratio socket will resist twisting better than the high aspect ratio extensions.

  • @Colin56ish
    @Colin56ish Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for doing this test. I don't think it's taught in trade schools. I have long observed a significant loss using extensions and knuckle joints. Now I can see just how bad the loss is. Of course normally you have no choice other than a long extension bar so you can reach the bolt.

    • @jimmartin7881
      @jimmartin7881 Před 3 lety

      It was taught at Ohio diesel institute when I went back in 94, it pertained to ratchet applied torque though because it really makes no difference with removal. If it comes off great if it doesn't get a bigger gun, that's why sockets come in different drive sizes. Application torque is where it becomes crucial to accurately account for loss and that's done with hand tools. Even lugs, zip em down with a gun and check em with a torque wrench. I've never seen a torque figure given for getting a nut or bolt off, they are however given for putting them back on. Common sense goes a long way, the longer an extension, the less torque is gonna be transmitted.

  • @Divici02623
    @Divici02623 Před 3 lety

    Awesome video, I'm surprised it does not have a lit more views/likes

    • @Divici02623
      @Divici02623 Před 3 lety +1

      Oh, lol it's only 2 hours old... Well lucky me then

  • @elvsrbad2
    @elvsrbad2 Před 3 lety

    Looking forward to the video on universals!

  • @kvernesdotten
    @kvernesdotten Před 3 lety

    Awesome, I use that same extension set :D