(68) LOCKSPORT BELT RANKING SYSTEM
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- *I messed up, orange belt locks can have security pins. so just a heads up.
* the black belt lock I used in this video is not an ASSA 700, it’s an ASSA Twin 6K. 
*The Abus lock that accepts key-in-knob cylinders is the 83 series. Not 88 or 84.
*Chris Ahrens was the first person to pick a Kwikset Smart Key Gen 3. Not an American Smart Key. I was really tired when making this video so there were some mistakes.
Lock Pickers United Belt Ranking (my favorite website in the entire world)
lpubelts.com/#/belts
Remember, you don't have to be a member of reddit or discord to use the website, and just learn more about locks, and gauge where you are at skill wise. Anyone can use the website and get an idea of where they are at, and what they need to be picking to get better.
Here is everything you need to know about the Reddit Lockpicking Karate Belt Ranking
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Here is TOOOL's version of the Interchangeable Lock called the "KIK".
www.toool.us/equipment/Red-Ki...
Here is a place you can buy some of the lower ranking key-in-knob cylinders...
www.clksupplies.com/collectio...
You can also find some key-in-knob cylinders here...
www.uhs-hardware.com/collecti...
Finally, here is the company that makes the lock bodies.
www.paclock.com/
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Covert Instruments FNG
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TOOOL Necessary Nine Pickset V2
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Mok-Workshop Gold Digger Set
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Multipick ELITE Beginner Pick Set 13 Pcs.
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That’s a very cool idea. Buying locks is certainly one of the most confusing parts of the sport. If you were to package the first 5 or 6 maybe… as a jumping off point….
It is a very cool idea.
Oh wow, I've got to get into this. I'm just getting into security pin picking(American Locks, Masterlock LOTO locks, etc), so I've considered myself "intermediate".
What a very cool idea and set. It's unfortunate that the cost would be prohibitive to a large percentage of the community including myself. I'll just have to stick with the pleb half of the rainbow at blue belt and below.
Great idea and excellent video, thanks for making and sharing this! I think the colored electrical tape is a nice way to ease into classifying one’s locks, and agree the $700+ is cost prohibitive for the vast majority of folks. Have you considered selling a $10 PDF with *instructions* for how someone can assemble their own Dojo, with exact working links of exactly who to order from, what modifications need to be made, etc.? You could make a little $ for your efforts, help the community, and sure people could “pirate” the ebook/PDF but at only $10 why bother, just give Sandman something for his trouble and feel like a good person instead of a jerk 😊
It’s not a bad idea. I may consider that thank you for the advice.
@@sandman_locksport no problem, thanks for making so many great videos 😊
Excellent video. You provide such good information for the locksport community. Your in-depth reviews and general observations fill a void in many of the videos I see that demonstrate something but explain very little. Thank you so much for providing helpful, informative content.
A Christmas eve evening with a sandman video, amazing. Happy holidays Sandman!
There's so much good info and perspective in this video. Great job again sandman. Best of wishes to you and yours for the new year mate 🍻🤜🤛👍
This is awesome! I love it and can't wait to participate to grow my lock picking collection
Very cool. I saw those and just thought that was already happening. It is such a great idea maybe it will start to catch on slowly.
Merry Christmas Sandman. This really is a terrific idea.
I think it's a cool idea.
Some ideas:
1. It would be nice to have something written on the lock itself that defines it as a training lock.
2. It would be nice if it would be possible to open the lock by turning the cylinder in both directions, so it be possible to practice both.
3. It would be nice if you could buy each color of lock separately from the other locks, and then you could choose from several types of cylinders the one you want. It will also help the locks companies, because they will have another market to sell to, so they give the cylinders for less.
Merry Christmas Sandman & followers!
Absolutely incredible and informative video. Also checked out the store and gotta say wow, you have had a very interesting life 💙 thank you for your service 😊💙
Thank you 🙏
Merry Christmas, Sandman. Hoping you're well with your partner and family this festive season.
I remember when you first proposed the idea to me and a few other people -- you were looking for some locks that would come in a KIK system and would go through the ranks. I'm so happy that the project finished, but unfortunately as speculated, it is at such a magnitude that the price just cannot be justified. I think the biggest issue is the lack of lock bodies which can house given lock types, which severely reduces the choice of lock, thus increasing the price as other, more economic options, are unavailable (think the MIWA U9, black belt lock from Japan, 10 bucks each or thereabouts).
At the same time, maybe it's for the best. They would be a big investment even if everything here was halved in price. That sort of thing is a big commitment for a newbie. Either way, I'm sure plenty of people (myself included) will be taking inspiration from this idea. Maybe there will even be a machinist who makes universal lock bodies for the major types of cores (KIK, euro, oval, australian standard) with matching adapters. That would be cool.
Have a happy holidays, mate. Love your work.
Thanks ,good video ,very informative , thanks moe
The Abus lock body you're thinking of is the 83 series. It comes in many different sizes, although my recommendation is 83AL/45. It's the lighter aluminum body which is great for picking in hand.
Also thanks for the plugs to lpubelts :)
Ah ok! Thanks for the recommendation and the correction. I was making all kinds of mistakes in this video and it took me 2 hours of takes to get this one as it is lol.
Super cool idea!
this is insanely cool, I’d LOVE to buy a set like this.
I didn't, know about this ranking system. I like it.
Merry Christmas SANDMAN🎄
Happy Holidays Sandman!
Same to you!
It’s a great idea, I’m gonna make myself a set as I rank up.
Very nice review! The lock classification group list you presented is quite dated. Locks are currently ranked by all black belt members and a select few other members on a spreadsheet, once there is a decent number of rankings in for a particular lock, the locks in question are presented to the lock classification council (Peaceweapon does an excellent job with all the logistics on this). Traditionally, we would have CorrectJeans decide on all classifications and present the belt change list, however Peaceweapon now presents it based on the council approving or denying the rankings presented from the lock classification group. The council was changed from just CorrectJeans to include Rein and GravityKarma, and eventually expanded to including a few additional LPU mods.
Thank you for the information. I just wanted to give recognition to the founders in this particular video. There is definitely a lot going on behind the scenes today.
As a former martial artist I like that the belt system gets harder as you go up, and teaching is part of the higher belts. In order to get your belts you also need to source all the locks, kinda like building your lightsaber before you can become a Jedi Master. lol If I was to buy a lock set, the locks would all have to be the same size. OCD is killing me looking at the smaller locks in the line up.
Pac Lock said they could give me all same size, but I would have to buy in bulk, minimum quantity order. Since I was just buying one of each color, they were only able to give me what they had on hand. This was just meant to be a proof of concept and prototype.
Understandable. I should look into getting Pac Locks in colors as a start. Will look for tape to mark the mostly Master locks I own. Others are just random locks.@@sandman_locksport Understandable. I should look into getting Paclocks in colors as a start. Will look for tape to mark the mostly Master locks I own. Others are just random locks. @sandman_locksport
Your comment about higher belts needing to source and teach is a very good point.
That’s a large part of belt progression (Shorin Ryu).
I like the belt list for the list its self. Gives guy an idea what kinda skills gonna be required. Gives new pickers something to shoot for. Though when your poor as a hooker on knickle night…. It just sucks to look at all these locks a guys never gonna get his hands on. This Hobby is not for the Poor! Period. Only gonna cause unnecessary pain and suffering. Though I’ve never heard anyone talk bout this🤷🏼. Good topic though😜👏👏🤘😎
If you put together belt packages, like a kit with everything you need to attain that rank...... I personally have had many issues tracking down locks for advancement that are not sfic's. Like 2 locks of each type required, a booklet of tips and instructions for challenge locks, pin creation, pick making, etc. and have a tool option like tensioners and picks needed for the keyways of the locks in the package
That's a great idea and it sucks that there wasn't any support behind it. I think you could still kinda do it like a "box to black" type of product. I was talking about that with someone in the LPU Discord yesterday so there would probably be a few people interested. Sadly I think you'd have to upcharge a bit just to not lose money.
Martha cool hooked me up with a couple cylinders when i messed up and lost two pins out of mine. Hada have a first comment.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
I bought a dremel with a metal disc cutter and became a blackbelt instantly. Just kidding, love the video. Thanks!
I don’t have to pick locks because your mom just lets me in every time. Just kidding, and you’re welcome.
Awesome idea! Come on @covertinstruments this would be a perfect product for us locksport folk! Thanks for sharing @sandman keep up the good work. I appreciate you and all of your videos. Always well done. Also maybe if they just provided the cores and color coded the cores for cost savings?
I'd absolutely buy this as a set, but if it's not financially viable that's totally understandable.
All that aside-- Merry Christmas Sandman.
I suppose it would be more practical to have just the first 6 belts just as cylinders, cos thats what youll be practicing your picking on, but have a printed jig to put them in to have them in a daisywheel. The other four are very specialist and probably better to get them individually in the vintage market, or from locksmiths.
While I agree it would be difficult to sell to the public I could absolutely see a local club (or chapter of tool for that matter) perhaps being willing to either buy the whole set or put together the whole set to use at meets ups
Currently a yellow because I have not been able to pic the 1100 I have while recording.. I can when I am not. :p I joined the discord a couple weeks ago, and so far the community seems really good. :) I am interested in the lock body, but only from a collector aspect.
Oh, and forgot to mention.. I am green now. Working on blue with the 90A-Pro I have.
Even if paclock offered the colors as a group I would get them!!!!
I would LOVE to buy a few orange and greens.
Contact pacific lock.
That will help me in my future purchases. There are so many people that gave advices on CZcams and when you try them, it's baloney. I just succeed to open an American Lock 1100 yesterday and now I know what will be my next purchases. Just for fun, how the safety locks ranked? I find them hard for plastic body padlocks 😁
The Master LOTO lox can be very difficult. If you have 10 of them, 8 of them will be extremely difficult, and 2 will be a wash. They’re not meant for hardened security, they are just meant for reminding someone to observe an element and proceed with caution in a specific process whilst removing the padlock. I think what makes them so difficult is the lack of precision manufacturing.
where can I get the adapter you use to fit the low end key in knob cylinders into the padlock body?
It came with the lock
This might be a stupid question, for that I'm sorry. On the clk website, which type of Kik cylinders are we looking for? For instance, the yellow SC1 has 1 for patio doors, 1 for Sargent locks, and 2 for deadbolt, 1 US4, and 1 US26D. What one would be best for the paclock and do you just snip off that little tail bit and slide it in? I don't think I'm even a white belt with these questions lol.
any kik cylinder from clk will work. you dont snip off anything, you unscrew the tail cap and remove the tail piece.
@@sandman_locksport thank you for the quick response. You're awesome
If it's possible, as this would be for collection and practice purposes, replacing as much of the bodies with 3D printing and assembling a kit for the core and remaining components might be more affordable. Or possibly a universal body of sorts with custom painted/sleeved cores (sleeves for core tolerances, possibly) and adapters to fit the body. In that second case there could just be one body to be accounted for, with a limited number of smaller adapters, all of which could be metal again. Some companies offer metal 3D printing, as well, so early orders could be made to print other than ordering the cores. (Do any of these shown locks have unique security features in the bodies that couldn't be overcome with an adapter to seat them?)
That’s a very astute observation and suggestion, but I have no idea about your question. I hope you or someone can take this idea and run with it. I’ve done my part. I’m done with it.
All good, thank you for the encouragement ^_^ @@sandman_locksport
How about using some cheap plastic LOTO lock parts and replacing the body with 3D printed ones? @@sandman_locksport
This could be financially viable as a kit as a group buy project through one of those platforms like Kickstarter.
Good video.
Question for you:
I recently raked a 5 spool kik with a wire bent with a triple peak profile.
What belt would that make me ?
White belt, because raking is only allowed at white belt. Even if it’s an orange belt level lock. But good on you for making your own pick, and for slaying locks. But there is no skill in raking, that’s why it’s only allowed at white belt.
I just did some homework and read up on the belt system and happy to say I've been quietly humbled lol
Yes you are correct! I'm not going to argue whether raking requires skill...each to there own opinion but it's good to have some sort of structure in this hobby for inspiration to advance more skill. I'm 3 months into this hobby so I think it's time to move onto spp security pins.
Thanks for replying ☺️
@@Cris-ih3jx there is a skill in raking, it’s just very minimal. Be proud of that skill. But you can’t rake a high security lock. That’s why security pens were designed in the first place to thwart raking and bumping. You have to be able to single pin pick those. I can teach anybody how to rake a lock, and under one minute. It’s a very low level skill used on low level locks with loose tolerances
Hey man what did you pick for your purple belt I’m working on blue right now but I was unaware that purple required two locks being picked on the purple list
Medeco Classic, Mul-T-Lock Interactive, and a Ruko 600
Although I do love the karate belt system for ranking locks sometimes you can get a real easy or difficult lock which doesn't fit. For example I've picked an MT5+ which had a ridiculously easy sidebar. I've picked locks ranked above what I would rate myself according to the system, some because I've progressively pinned them or they were just easy ones.
Personally I think you should rank youself as to what you can consistently pick, ie get a bunch of the same locks and see how many you can get open.
I do love the idea of having a whole coloured set of padlocks but being a UK picker the white to blue choice would be different, probably more Abus and Squire etc.
I don’t disagree, it’s just a loose guide. I have a couple green belt locks that I haven’t picked yet. I have purple belt locks that I can open in under two minutes. But they make up a very small percentage of the rest of my collection, I own over 300 locks, so I love using the system to classify them. I feel that it is nearly perfect. But it will never be perfect. Every Lock is different.
@@sandman_locksport I do like the fact they keep it up to date and recategorise locks when needed.
im a new picker. I am on Amazon right now. Dont know anything about lock bodies. I see 90A, 100A and 200A paclock amongst others. is it not possible to use all the same size for a set for 1-9, or is the style of cylinder needed for each belt not conducive to using the same body for all 9 cylinders?
Good question- did you figure out the answer? I’m a brand new picker myself and really like this idea, but would prefer them to be all the same size.
I contacted paclock after speccing out what I thought was the proper cylinders. let me attempt to post my conversation.
I am not sure what I need. Here is what I want, not sure its possible.
But for now, I am hoping the below is possible.
Silver KIK-1A for Kwikset KW1 cylinder
Yellow KIK-1A for Schlage SC1 cylinder
Orange KIK-1A for Yale Y1 cylinder
Green KIK-1A for Schlage Everest C123
Blue KIK-1A for Paclock 90A Pro cylinder
Are these 5 lock bodies possible?
I am hoping it will be possible to get these 5 locks, and eventually purple, brown, red and black with consistent size and construction with the only difference being color.
Then they sent a quote for 103$. I have not yet purchased. I'm wondering if sandman just went the most budget friendly way instead of the most consistent of lock body.
I will purchase in the next few weeks and reply back here
@@LyleH-13 did you ever purchase the locks?
I’m in for a kickstarter campaign or whatever else to get this idea going.
Sandman, I would like to appropriate your idea on "belted" locks. Did you purchase your lock bodies directly from PacLock. Please continue with your great publications.
I did, my point of contact was Martha. I sent her an email explaining to her what I had done in my recent video, and that there is a possibility that Future customers would be requesting the same thing. They will get you hooked up.
Hey man are you using the full size interchangeable core or the key in knob body’s from PACLOCK?
Both. Call Martha, she will hook you up.
@@sandman_locksport ha okay, I bet Martha never thought part of her job at paclock would be selling karate belt locks to us😂 Great video thanks for the new life goal👍🏼
@@tylerwine1962 I use KIK for everything except blue and brown. For those I used I/C. But my brown IC I had pinned up by a locksmith with security pins since best IC doesn’t usually come with security pins.
@@tylerwine1962 I just realized I used a normal KIK for brown belt, because I have a Primus in there. I have two Pac Locks in brown. One for my primus, and one for an interchangeable core, which is a different size.
super helpful thanks!@@sandman_locksport
24:57 Dang, I'm purple as well, have a respectable collection (a couple Medeco's, MTL Interactive, EVVA 3KS, Goal D9, Paclock, American, etc.), and have absolutely no idea what sleeved and non-sleeved is. I tried to look it up, but I'm not having any luck finding information. Not trying to criticize the criticism, but I'm genuinely interested in what the heck you're referring to. I do locksmithing work down here in Chile, so I'll recognize there's a possibility that I just don't know the word in English
Ruko 500 locks, I believe they are made in Denmark or Sweden. They have a sleeve similar to an interchange before. Ruko 600 don’t have a sleeve. I picked a Ruko 500 on my Instagram. They are listed on the lpubelts.com site as well. Thanks for watching.
Do the American 1100 series locks have the ability to swap the cores for this purpose?
No. The 1100 cores are too small. So the lock is too small
@@sandman_locksport bummer. Those seem easily available and cheaper. :(
Thank you so much for the informative videos you produce!! Such great stuff
I use color sticker dots.
メリークリスマス🎄🎅✨
If it was “certified” or approved by the sub Reddit I’d definitely buy this
Why would I need their approval to buy the locks that they have already approved on their list and assemble them together in a row for my collection or to sell? you’re telling me you would rather prefer to just buy these individual leave from nine different sellers? That’s weird. That doesn’t make sense. Also they have a creative common copyright, which means as long as you just mention them that they invented the system then you can do whatever you want with it.
@@sandman_locksport I just mean if they were approved then submitting videos for belts on the sub would be easier
Hey Sandman, just started watching your stuff because I only started a month and a half ago haha. I'm up to orange rank now and would be wondering if I could "rent" that set. I'll pay you and send it back after a set amount of time, that you decide. Let me know!
Congratulations on your orange belt! Many locks will be slayed by you I'm sure. I will not be renting or loaning anything from my collection to anyone ever. 15 years in this hobby has taught me that. Call pac lock and they will get you situated with the bodies you need, and a locksmith can get you settled with the locks. that's what i did.
Seems this could be made cheaper by designing a plastic lock body that can hold these cylinders. or try to commonize lock bodies as much as possible, and sell the cylinders along with 1 or two lock bodies
Where does one buy an ASSA 700?no luck on EBay
I bought mine in ebay 🤷🏻♂️ and I was wrong, it’s an ASSA Twin 6000, also bought on eBay.
Any chance I could commission you to make me one of these sets of locks I would be happy to pay the cost to have this awesome set
I cannot but call pac lock and they will get you sorted out
Found it... :)
My Master Lock 930 has a couple spools and is ranked yellow 🤷
I didn’t invent the belt system. It should be orange in my book if it has security pins.
@sandman_locksport recently got my orange in the discord. I'm not experienced enough to say what it "should" be ranked at. But I do know that locks move up and down the rank system as the mods get feedback and more locks get added.
Love the idea of progressive colored lock bodies. Would even be interested in funding a startup for the lock idea. Will definitely be borrowing the electrical tape idea.
@@gergsmail01 congratulations on the belt.
Sandman Ryu🔏📓
Deshi. 🥋