Are Great Drivers Like Alonso Career Killers?
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Alonso has been in the sport long enough that each time he comes, he's a different person. 2021 is the best version I think.
Yes, 2018 Alonso was a villain like 2011-2013 Seb
He was great winning and everything til now was questionable.
@@alexburky9124 you can't fault him whining about his cars' lack of pace, especially when it happens for 8 years in a row
@@alexburky9124 Yea but Mclaren was on a downward spiral though. And Alonso was promised a competitive car.
@@alexburky9124 he had the right to do so, imagine being 4 long year’s in McLaren-Honda and not being able to even score a podium. He did enough with what was given to him.
Alonso had some exeptional talent on moving to team which gives him crappy car which he outperform to insane levels, and outshine his partner in the process. Poor Vandoorne.
vandoorne wasn't as bad as he seemed , even Alonso himself said vandoorne's gap to him was lesser than that of between him and kimi
Master of right place at the wrong time.
@@sentientspaghetti1898 In Vandoorne’s first year he got 13 points and Alonso 17. That’s actually impressing. But in 2018 the team(mostly Zak Brown that is the manager of Lando Norris) wanted Norris in the car next year. So they give him a shit car so it seemed like he was bad. Mclaren at 2018 was a fraud. I still support Vandoorne, he even is my favorite favorite driver. But maybe maybe maybe he will in the williams next year. Fingers crossed!
That demonstrates how underrated Rosberg is, who explicitly didn't crumble with Hamilton as his teammate.
And you can't say his career was killed, since he ended it on a title!
verstappen and daniel
did you actually watch those seasons?
@@jedidiaheva yes
Yes, a title that was a gifted to him. Never in the history of Formula 1 has a driver suffered so many Gremlins in one season as did Sir LH in 2016.
@@TB7530 delusional fanboy🙄🙄🙄
Alonso is at the level of the best F1 drivers of all time in my opinion. Just didn't choose the right choice at some points and had bad luck sometimes... But he still giving his 100% and always overperforming (._.) his cars
"overdriving". Lol. That is good, because? 🤣😂
@@Sxokzin i guess he wanted to say "overperforming". And yes, hes a top 5 ever for sure
@@hugoborregorosado944 yeah exactly
@@Sxokzin lol
Nono no , not in your opinion
He absolutely has the skill work and talent to be one of the bests of all time, but has been very unlucky / self harmed his career
And that’s a fact, don’t care what ham fans tell you
Alonso is a benchmark. A really, really, really high one.
Especially for you.
@@Sxokzin yes but no
a rookie hamilton smashed that benchmark..........lol
@@ddha0000 lol did he win that year nope and Alonso fin 9 times ahead of him, lol with a fully British team and a boss that sucked up to him ,Nd mind u if not for the crap penalty in Hungary he would be champion 😂😂😂
@@abrarrm14 atleast someone here knows his history. Hamilton is great in a good car, Alonso is great (full stop)
I remember around 2014-2015 the F1 community used to claim that if Bottas was in the Mercedes he would've challenged Hamilton for the title harder than Rosberg....boy were they wrong
& they now do it for George!
If George gets that Merc seat next season, he's the next Bottas & that's very very very very sure!
Instead got his career destroyed
@@_fiftyseven_ that I'd like to deny but he not close to a Lewis Hamilton tho, people look at George's Sakhir weekend as a future prospect, but 1 good result doesn't mean he will repeat that every season. The worst that could happen is Lewis does what Alonso did to Stoffel or George doing what Lewis did to Alonso in 2007
@@katlegokgotse I doubt anybody could repeat what Lewis did in 07. Lewis (like Verstappen & Leclerc) is all raw pace man, same issue Vettel had with Leclerc's speed in 2019. Same with Max & Ricciardo come 2018. Russell is not on their level imo. I cannot see him beating Hamilton over a season. He's damn good, but I wouldn't bet on him beating either Verstappen or Leclerc (his peers). let alone that old man with the braids.
So true my friend!!!
Kimi was inadvertently a super nice guy to never destroy his teammates as he could have with his raw speed and race craft. He honestly just never gave a heck, even at his peak. He has a life outside of F1 unlike almost every driver ever.
Tbh I don't think he cared if he *was* going to play second fiddle to Alonso or Vettel. As long as he could keep racing in F1 for the fun of it and not have to deal with the paddock drama, he's fine with that.
@@sailor7537 he already achieved his aim of winning a championship
“He has a life outside of F1 unlike almost every driver ever”. This asskissing that fans do to Kimi has to stop.
If any driver has a life outside F1 it's Lewis.
He could become a Social media influencer, a fashion designer, a SJW,
and has interest in owning a Vegan Products company.
@@thebestevertherewas i think having a family is beyond all of that, hamilton doesn't have a family so he doesn't have anything to lose, but drivers like rosberg and vettel does which is why probably rosberg immediately retired after winning and vettel declining because he has a family now, they just don't want to risk it too much
the thing with kimi's situation was that even if he was Seb's number 2, at that point he wasnt upset cause he knew himself he couldnt challenge anymore, like take Germany 2018, the team didnt know how to tell him to give up his position but he actually didnt mind giving it up cause he knew he wasnt in contention.
Yea agreed he didn’t see himself as a number 2 just a really good friend helping the other, when he knew there was no reason holding the other back. And vettel and Kimi were best friends and I think still are.
nope did u see his pace at the start of 2018. in china, bahrain, azerbaijan he cud have took pole if he didnt make a mistake or screw up the last sector
@@muhidnaveed2617 Just like so many other drivers who screw up their laps ‘could should would’ but kimi at some point messes up his race or his quali. One of the two. And sometimes both.
@@muhidnaveed2617 Thats exactly what separates him from the best of the best, those tiny errors happen to often and always have. The mf was just so fast more often than not, and its no question that even now in the twilight of his career he still delivers and is also a well known quantity. I think every team in paddock knows what they would get if they signed Kimi. A safe pair of hands that takes enough risk to spring a surprise, but not enough to rack up an insane crash damage bill
what a beta
Alonso not only killed other driver's careers but he also killed his own with his legendary team changes
Joining Mclaren in 2015 was a gamble that didnt pay out
hopefully alpine wiill deliver a good car next YEAR
@@imibuks-replit is Alonso signed on for next year?
@@rebeccagreenwood3302yes
@@imibuks-replit hopefully Aston Martin will deliver a good car next year
Aldas can’t emphasize how much he loves Alonso
Me seeing Alonso do the Vettel finger 😳 me realising this was before Vettel was even in F1 😳😳😳
It was actually his first victory. He counted the number of victories with the fingers.
No wonder he stopped doing it at one point, ran outta fingers
I genuinely did not like alonso. That was until the sprint qualifying at silverstone and IMO the best defensive driving at Hungary which allowed Ocon to claim his maiden win. He is now one of my favourite drivers on the grid and I can't wait to see what else he will do on track!
At the start I genuinely did not like alonso
At the end he one of my favourite drivers on the grid
Alonso gave us the best team radios during his Mclaren years
This is the greatness of Alonso. He turns his critics into his fans (I won't use "haters" as using this is a disrespect for the people I'm talking about).
And yes, Silverstone sprint and Hungary defence were definitely fantastic- but it's totally normal for Alonso. He has always done these kind of crazy stuffs.
That's because you havent watched F1 since the beginning of his career, and not even the ferrari age of Alonso. He almost won 2 championship with a crappy car, especially in 2012, when his car was maybe and just maybe the 4th on the grid
I was the same. I really warmed to him after the defence against Hamilton.
Alonso is arguably the best F1 driver of the 21st century. Competing with him in the same team/same car will be always a herculean challenge.
getting outdriven by a rookie hamilton, bottling a couple of world titles to Vettel in that ferrari and his unprofessional behaviour with the McLaren Honda means i don't think he is anywhere near the conversation.
@@ddha0000 Are you unaware at how bad that Ferrari actually was? It was a miracle he even came anywhere close to the title in the years he was there.
@@DarthTribal still not addressing the fact he lost to a rookie Hamilton
@@rorymcneil1981 Tied in points + team being in Lewis' side = Your argument isn't valid
@@ddha0000 He didn't bottled it Ferrari bottled by giving him a shite car .. Give Alonso the best ever car and will win it aswell! Vettel got the best car 2010 and 2012 it was just close do to Renault having reliable problems with the Engine so i guess you should watch those season's but you Alonso haters can't understand that! Ferrari was only at best the second best car renault pace was incredible strong especially in 2011 and 2013* (FIA gifted them a bit the titel see Tyre rules since Silverstone 2013) Ferrari droped on performance since after their China win why because Ferrari engine and aerodynamics were shite and they were lucky to actually be second best in 2013 because of Mercedes giving theit titel fight up to concentrate on the new rules and lotus having problem at the mangement... Guess you should watch more before you talk i watch and follow Formula 1 what Alonso did in 2010-2013 even in 2014 were he did show his prime drive and dont forget 2018 were he was the star in the season !! But you haters always talk crap 💩 instead of being happy that i saw an amazing and see an amazing driver like Alonso and ofc others as Hamilton , Micheal and others aswell Häkkinen all drivers have their style and amazing facts!!
This should be interesting. Throw as much Alosno stuff as you can at me.
I think F1 has been unfair to Vandoorne. All teams should have understood that he was a rookie comparing to a monster like Alonso.
So was Lewis. Lewis was good enough to cope, match, and beat him. Stoffel wasn't. Not F1, McLaren, or Alonso's fault.
@@ethankral4740 wow. Cannot compare like this. Different era, different car, different kind of drivers.
You have to give rookies a time. The thing is that Hamilton started in a title winning car.
@@-SPECTRE- I'd respectfully claim otherwise. In a championship contending car, everyone is with additional pressure because the ultimate goal is set in front of you right from the get go, with the best of the best being your group of competitors, any mistakes will be under the spotlight and criticized by everyone, compared to starting out in a car at the rear of the grid, you are given less expectations because the car is not anticipated to be challenging for all that much, hence mistakes are less costly per say in the scope of results because going from 11th to 15th loses 0 points compared to a mistake from 1st to 5th.
@@-SPECTRE- Top 4 car, midfield car, or bad car doesn't matter mate. What matter is what kind driver caliber you up against in a team either he is an all-time great, podium contender, ex-champion, young unproven pretender, a regular point score, a Saturday man only, and so on.
On the other hand, after his dismissal from McL, he has shown exactly nothing in FE. There are a few other drivers like him who were dominating the feeder series but didn't have any success in F1 (Hulk comes to mind)
Just one remark on 2004 standings: Jarno got fired in Monza, in that race Fernando was battling for the win against Jenson till the last 10 laps or so, before he retired due to a mistake at Variante della Roggia. Trulli could not even manage to get to the points. If Alo had finished the race he would have stood 53 - 46 against Trulli (or even 55 - 46 if he had won). Don't forget also that in the race before in Spa Alonso suffered a DNF due to an oil leakage from his engine while he was leading the race.
don't take it so personally, Aldas is an Alonso fan boy, there's not point getting worked up thinking that he's downplaying him.
" If Alo had finished the race "
And if my Mum had bollocks she'd be my Dad.
@@Zero_Ninety wow, I'm impressed
Do you not use your brain to deduce that Jarno went from being a regular top 6 driver to not finishing in the points ONCE after Flavio told him he would not be renewed.
This is Briatore we are talking about, sabotage is more likely than trulli turning to shit.
at the time trulli was told to leave he was way ahead of alonso, and performing decently
@@dxfifa He was not way ahead of Alonso. He was 1 point ahead, which was due to luck mainly.
The more data about Alonso you learn, more surprised you get.
As far as we know, on his full career only one driver really match Alonso in performance as teammates.
If you need the guy wich will have more amount of worlds tittles to Mach alonso is because this guy is really a beast, definitely a hard hard competitor as teammate.
Sometimes i guess that many young guys don't known much about alonso, they might think that he was good enough for beat Schumi back in 2006 but thats all. Your videos really help those ones to learn about fucking Alo.
Thanks and keep working like this you have my likes
Alonso is so great and magnificent on the racetrack. Love every second of F1 with Fernando. When I was a kid, Schumacher dominated and for many years I actually thought that the sport was named "Schumacher" because that was all I ever heard. Then came Fernando and as I said, so magnificent to watch. I have since rewatched all F1 sundays from 1985 to now and for me there is no one else but Fernando, Heir of Senna.
I feel like kimi really didn’t transition well to the v6 hybrids and still doesn’t gel with them much. To go from a potential title challenger to demolished by Alonso really shows that imo
Man even Seb didn’t gel well with them the first time
@@motorsportfanboy7769 however he does now and has for a few seasons now. Maybe not 100% but certainly more than kimi does
@@charlespletzke8311 Oh yeah definitely. No surprise why he had a great 2015 & 2017 seasons 👍🏻
@@motorsportfanboy7769 and 2018
This man makes one Alonso video every month. Facts 💯
And let's hope he keeps doing it.
Not enough
Alonso didn't "kill" Kimi's career.
Ferrari did.
LOVE your damn videos, Aldas!! You always have such great insight, great opinions and great content. It’s very appreciated, mate. Cheers! 🤙🏻
just watched your podcast... AMAZING keep it up
I've probably posted a similar comment in a previous video, but I'm from brazil and i do really appreciate the recognition you gave to Felipe Massa in 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons. We here in brazil(at least i can speak for all of the the real F1 fans post Senna's death) didn't get over that championship loss in the last moments over the 2008 season until today and that is a topic that we discuss in F1 communities of Brazil groups and fans until now.
Thank you again, also for the excellent content. Cheers from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
@Stealth Leopard Well, that's an overcomplicated thing to answer to. Here in Brazil there is a certain type of culture in which we classify the drivers who brought us championships as gods (in a way this culture was nourished by our great history and culture under football until 2002).
We lived in a very tough and extremely cruel military dictatorship, violent from 1964 until the democratic reopening in 1989, where we had our first quasi-democratic elections. A dark and terrible period, civilly speaking, in which any victory, whether in the cultural or sporting sphere, allowed us to express what little freedom of expression we had. When we could celebrate something, in the face of an over inflation and devaluation of our currency and purchasing power. Where over 20 years we had five changes of economic currency and several sinking's and financial destructions with inflation reaching more than 1200%, with product prices varying up to four times a day.
Even after this break with the dictatorship in 1989, we continue to see anyone who won important things like Deuses and Ayrton Senna was one of those. After him, we only had expressive representation in formula 1 with Barrichello and then with Felipe Massa in 2007, 2008 and 2009.
For us who are assiduous fans and for those who only sporadically followed Formula 1 after Senna's death; Barrichello and Massa represented for us the very best in world motorsport.
So, taking all that into consideration, the 2008 championship backfired in the 45th minute of the second half. Where we saw one of our little hopes of being happy for a brief moment, taken away from us.
Now add it all up to any news you can follow from all the punches, blows and kicks we've suffered in our youthful democracy to the terrible and catastrophic government of Jair Messias Bolsonaro, and you can understand a little bit of why we consider so much everything we live in it was Barrichello and Massa as something extremely important.
Losing 2008, at the very end, and later seeing Barrichello lose to Brawn and Button in 2009 simply tore our hearts out in what we considered to be our last hope of international representation since we won the FIFA World Cup in 2002.
This is what Hamilton is doing to Bottas. Bottas is quality but Hamilton is just on another level and is making him look average.
Yes. The amount of hate Bottas gets is undeserved. What can you really do against a driver that is on completely another level compared to most of the grid?
@Leo Bernardo Bottas could be better but he joined Mercedes in the times when Ferrari was finally ready to challange for a title. So merc could not let their boys race as they did years before. And then after two years of being number two, it was hard for him.
And now Perez, I have no idea what that idiot Helmut thinks, but he will not get a good second driver if they always have just a year with knife on their necks. Gasly is good driver, had half a season, because of bad start. Albon is good driver, one and half season, knife on the neck for whole year. Perez is proven good driver, now after 2 bad races Helmut is not happy and looking for options in F2 and F3. That guy is the worst "head of driver development program" ever.
What is "quality" in a driver? Bottas isn't great at overtaking or defending. Not great at managing his tyres. Not great in the rain. Not aggressive enough.
He's a decent wingman.
This is officially the Benetton/old school Renault cira 00's retrospective channel. And judging by my profile photo you should know I approve. Love reliving that yellow and blue liverary. I still have team kit from back then. LOVE 😍 THAT END SCREEN.
Why did you completely leave out Fisichella though?
Button as well, although that makes more sense as Button was at the end of his career anyways when they were teammates (and they were evenly matched in 2015).
Button, Fisichella and Hamilton, out!
Kimi is a great driver!
Kimi situation was similar to Ricciardos current situation. You think he lost all his pace in a single season lol? He never adjusted to that horrible ”Alonso” ferrari.
3:51 wasn't it the other way around? Didn't Nelsinho talk about it AFTER he was fired for poor results?
Yes
Alonso
Trulli - Nope, Renault "killed" his career if anything, but not really because he continued racing for years.
Piquet - Again, Renault for sure killed his career (combined with himself for actually going through with it, and then trying to use it to blackmail the team.)
Massa - Didn't kill his career. Nothing changed. 2008 was a combination of the season of his life, the best car, Kimi not having much luck and not being mega motivated since he won the last season. That season aside, he was always a super, super good number two driver and he continued to be afterwards.
Kimi - You can't kill someone's career if they are only there to race cars. Kimi just came back cos he liked racing F1 cars. He continues to do that to this day.
Vandoorne - I'll give you that one. Probably did wreck his career.
Alonso didn't 'ruin' Kimi's career. If anything understeery Ferraris did. Kimi was a championship quality driver in 2012/13. But he famously prefers oversteery cars which is the complete opposite to Alonso who won his championships forcible inducing understeer. Seb too needs a stable rear end. Put Kimi into a Ferrari designed around Alonso and he was always gonna struggle. And why would they try to change those characteristics with Seb replacing Alonso?
Really enjoyed the video Aldas
Just hope Ocon doesn't watch this
Max is doing the same thing to his teammates now
Riccardo, Gasly, Albon and now about time Perez as well
But with help from Redbull, whereas Alonso actually races everyone without bias.
Max never beat Ricciardo
Always helpful when you are the wonderboy chosen by Helmut. I'd like to see max in another team with an already chosen #1 driver, like Ferrari.
Waiting for the video in 2024 called "How Alonso destroyed Esteban's Ocon career"
In my oppinion Fernando is the greatest driver of all time.
Not top 5
@@niallhiggins2342 He was never as good as Michael .
I disagree but he’s definitely up there in the discussion
He beat Michael in a weaker car in 2006.
Fernando is an absolutely amazing driver, but greatest of all time certainly not. Being the greatest of all time requires a driver to be the whole package a team player and having the forethought to pick the right teams at the right times, to win as many championships as possible after 2006 Fernando picked the wrong teams at the wrong time at every turn. He could have easily been a 6 time champion had he just taken the punt on Red Bull in 2007, which nearly happened. What has happened since is consigned to the dustbin of history. Nobody other than him is responsible for his massive underachievement. He had practically the whole paddock at his feet, but his actions and choices left a lot to be desired.
Had Alonso been at the Ferrari in 2017 and 2018 , I think he would have beaten Lewis both times
No
Yes,i agree,i think alonso is consistent and making less mistakes compare to vettel,so that is a possibility
I'm a new F1 fan and got obsessed with it this past off season and before 2021 even started, I was a fan of Alonso. Absolutely incredible racecraft. Outside of Michael at 130R too, zero fucks given. 😂
Yes Alonso video, I'm going to be smiling for days ☺️☺️☺️
Re: Vandoorne, the trouble with "future world champions" is that I've seen those words used to describe just about every new driver in the last 25 years or so by someone in the sport. In truth, only about 1 in 4 drivers coming from junior formula have the real potential to do it. Fewer still actually will. Most will be more Vandoornes.
except they all are getting opportunities now in midfield teams, he didn't
Vandoodoo would have longer career in F1 if he had started in mid-field, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. I think he gets more recognition if he build a career in WEC or Indycar than to stay in FE.
Strange you omitted Giancarlo Fisichella who is the one I really want an answer for. Fisi was pretty much the King of the Midfield for so many years and upon making a return to the Renault team where he had taken so many underdog podiums, he was expected to be a serious threat to Alonso. He was better than Ralf Schumacher, Wurz, Button, Sato, Firman and Massa. But it never really happened in 05 or 06 and he looked absolutely at sea. For the rest of his career too, he was beaten by Kovalainen, Raikkonen and occasionally by Sutil too. Did Alonso's pace just break him?
I REALLY want to know wtf happened to Kimi in 2014 and then until 2018. I can only conclude that Fernando had been with the team for five years at that point and that he knew how to wrangle those Ferrari's and Kimi went from a car that he liked to something that was Alonso-flavored and simply dealt with it until he was gone. There were a few situations where Kimi was held back from Vettel at Ferrari and it seemed like Vettel was always the golden boy. Surely Kimi wouldn't put up with that just to drive in circles for a paycheck? Maybe he didn't give a shit anymore? It wasn't really until 2018 that he was competitive to 2012/2013 levels again. At least he scored more points than each prior season while he was there the 2nd time, which he couldn't claim about his first stint...
The car just didnt suit him
Kimi and Fernando driving style are opposite. Kimi need a more oversteering car. Also coming to the recent years, the new V6 hybrid doesn't suit him.
Simple: Raikkonen never performed to an elite standard ever again after leaving the McLaren and Michelins. His Ferrari and Lotus performances were severely overrated. Getting beaten by Massa and being barely quicker than Grosjean is no real feat.
One driver managed to survive the curse of Alonso. Now he is a 7 times world champion and still going....
It is sad, but i am so much grateful, that Robert Kubica never was Alonso's teammate, The crash was horrible, destroyed his career, but never like would Alonso's 2012 championship campain. I think, that Robert is one of the drivers, who could challenge him, but not in that situation, that Fernando was already clear number one, max. equal driver, but only on paper, not in minds of the others.
Now we can remember Robert, like a generation talent alongside Lewis or Nico, who he raced in go-karts.
Alonso sure destroyed Hamiltons career.
Hamilton is the exception to the rule as he himself is a career killer. Anthony hamilton tried warning the grid when Nico left the other Merc seat vacant for Bwoahtas to fill
XD
👌🤣🤣
i mean, i’m pretty sure hamilton destroyed alonsos career :D
Hamilton destroyed his career
I’m sad Alonso wasn’t able to capture a chip with Ferrari but I’m also happy seb was just amazing/ lucky during those years.
Alonso for me is the GOAT
What this means? "The goat"
@@carnificina300 Greatest of all time
I can't really call alonso a career killer because he's a hard teammate for a rookie like vandorne
This shows the class and talent of Hamilton. Out scoring alonso in his rookie season is god level tbh. It’s stupid that people stop believe that it’s just the car
@@aringupta8376 he didn’t outscore
@@Michael-lu2tz Hamilton is ahead of Alonso in the championship
He has more pole positions and more P2
Hamilton was clearly the best driver in 2007
@@Michael-lu2tz "he didn't outscore", yes...but Hamilton beaten Alonso WDC standings(Hamilton 2nd, Alonso 3rd)😉😉😉
@@Michael-lu2tz he didn't outscore but he drove way better than Alonso and you can Fernando was lucky to finish with the same points as Lewis
I think what hit Kimi hardest was the changes to the Aerodynamics which made his style suboptimal.
I would like to add a few things on your Vandoorne part of the video.
In his full Rookie season, Vandoorne Just couldnt get comfortable in the Car. Only around Malaysia did he found a driving style that he could Really push. And to only finish 4 points behind Alonso in your rookie year in the dog of a car is remarkable to say the least.
In 2018, Vandoorne told the Belgian media that McLaren could not give him the set-up that he prefered (very similar to a Vettel-like setup). No wonder hè couldnt put in good performances week in week out.
After he was dropped he Said to Sporza that he wasnt allowed to talk about 99% of the stuff that happened at McLaren…
And one More thing, Vandoorne was incredible Just before His F1 career, and did a fantastic job in the categories after his F1 career…. Doesnt this all seem a bit weird?
Vandoorne couldnt show his potential in F1… which is sad
yeah he might get the williams
but nick de vries is also likely
Ik zie dat je een mede-belg bent en ik wil je hier nog iets aan toevoegen. In de eerste training van de gp van spa in 2018 reed Norris zn eerste sessie, in de auto van Alonso. Vandoorne reed tijdens die sessie met een vloer die kapot was en remmen die niet fatsoenlijk functioneerde. Vandoorne had uiteindelijk een slechtere tijd gereden dan Norris. Dit is wat Mclaren wilde. In de 2e training gaat Vandoorne naar buiten en komt meteen terug binnen en ze gaan de vloer vervangen. Dit kostte weer veel tijd en Vandoorne kon maar een paar rondjes rijden en eindigde weer op de laatste plaats. Zak Brown die toen de manager was van Lando Norris deed dit allemaal expres zodat Norris volgend jaar in die auto kon gaan rijden. In de media kreeg Vandoorne nog een slechtere naam en Norris werd nog meer opgehyped. Britse coureur die naar een brits team kon gaan. Dat was natuurlijk perfect, sponsors waren meer geïnteresseerd dus meer geld. Meer geld om de auto te ontwikkelen, en ja hoor in 2019 was de auto een stuk beter. Nu vechten ze zelfs voor podiums. Vandoorne is echt de dupe geweest omdat Mclaren graag Lando in de auto wilde. Verder heeft Stoffel ook geen geluk in de formule e. Pakt 4 keer pole maar eigenlijk maar 3 keer omdat Mercedes een fout bandennummer aan de fia geeft, slaat echt nergens op. Vervolgens rijdt hij 2 keer eerste maar wordt hij er ook 2 keer vanaf getikt. Heel het seizoen rijdt hij sneller dan De Vries maar hij gaat met de titel en alle credits er vandoor. Nu vertrekt mercedes ook nog uit de formule e… En afgelopen zondag wordt hij 2e op 7 tiende in een 24 uurs race. Het zit nooit mee bij hem. Ik volg hem nauw op de voet en ben benieuwd wat de toekomst gaat brengen. Voorlopig heeft hij alleen een contract bij jota en reserve coureur bij mercedes( wat echt niets zegt, kijk maar naar vorig jaar) Maar misschien zegt Toto een goed woordje bij Williams en rijdt hij daar volgend jaar. Laten we het hopen!!
@@nickvos2494 Heel fijn om te weten dat nog mensen dit verhaal weten. En hoe zou Stoffel zich wel niet gevoeld hebben toen... Hij wordt letterlijk voor zijn eigen ogen tegengewerkt. Het is eigenlijk een vies wereldje.
Vandoorne heeft letterlijk in alles gewonnen waar hij ooit in heeft geraced (buiten F1 dan). Het komt echt van mensen als jij en ik om zijn naam te proberen zuiveren nadat die besmeurt is met leugens en sabotage.
Heel Vandoorne zijn F1 carrière zit vol met van die verhalen...
Nice vid .. on a side note whats the background music your using called please its lush
I said this earlier and I will say it again. Give Alonso the proper car and he will win championship after championship
Your forgetting that the kimi and alonso have opposite styles. Alonso likes to feel the front end, kimi is always about feeling the back kick out. The f14t was a boat because it had more understeer than an american car, favoring alonso, and when f1 went to spa (oversteer track) kimi mopped alonso in every session.
Not really, in spa 2014 (both same car) was Alonso who did the best results, but probably you are right on driving feeling
@@escolopendrapower hahaha “kimi dominated him at Spa 2014 in every session” *looks it up* “Multiple driving errors from Räikkönen left him eighth” and Alonso out qualified him by multiple places. Imagine someone just lying on the internet
Herbert was awesome compared to Jos Verstappen. His damaged legs made competing with all time greats impossible. Patrese was friends with Briatore who replaced Brundle with the ancient Italian. This was a mistake. Patrese retired and Verstappen did far worse. Herbert allowed Benetton to win Constructors.
Massa isn't a doctor. He was definitely above top Vettel as he just had to beat Webber. Racepace is even more complex than Qualifying and 2008 Kimi still had won it all in 2007 with his disorganized approach.
I never understood why Benetton did not keep Brundle for 93 and may be 94 and 95. Brundle was not lightning fast may be but would certainly have done his part into Benetton winning the 94 constructor championship.
As far as Kimi situation goes I think it's a mix of a few things. He came into a different team, Alonso was there for 4 years in a row. Knew the team better, car mechanics and a team dynamics. I think that Alonso is a second best driver ever but the difference between him and Kimi never was that great to begin with.
I think its more on the nature of F1 team. F1 team will always have 1st and 2nd driver rule. There are no 2 suns with 1 earth. If that happening, expecting a year of turbulence.
Senna-prost and alonso-hamilton are good example
@@Mister-Mayor Hamilton-Rosberg as well.
I hoped to see Giancarlo Fisichella as well I know in 2005 and 2006 Alonso won the Championship but still would be nice to have heard your opinion on that.
Saying that Kimi did barely any work outside the car is wrong. Kimi has been said to be one of the best at consulting with the team around him to build the kind of environment he needs and the car to suit his driving.
Looks like he built it up over the years.
He couldn't influence the 2014 design, as he was still at Lotus in 2013. It was basically completely designed to fit Alonso as he was the only driver Ferrari could get feedback from. As we know, Alonso prefers an understeery car, while Kimi prefers a pointier front-end. Kimi probably knew from the beginning that there was no way of fixing a car that was designed to suit a completely different driving style from the very beginning and thus didn't bother to develop the 2014 Ferrari.
@@RandomGuy37 Yes I know and that was mostly due to the pullrod as opposed to a pushrod suspension at the front end which made it extremely dull in feel which also was completely the opposite of what Kimi preferred. After 2014 they scrapped that and instantly pulled in proper results
very thoughtful discourse
Rob Smedley admitted that after Massa returned from being hit on the head by the heave spring from Rubens Barrichello's Brawn in Hungary 2009, Ferrari wasn't the same team from 2007-09 that he had been used to come 2010. The team put most of their eggs in Alonso's basket from the latter's arrival and he was ordered to move aside in Hockenheim, when he should have won
Tldr: He doesn't have a say in the team and as a result, become demotivated
Massa was never good except 2008, I think that year was just an outlier with Kimi both being overrated, and then performing poorly.
Just look at the gap from schumacher to Barrichello then Michael to Massa. Then Kimi to Massa. Look at Fisichella vs Massa, then Fisichella vs Alonso the next season
@@dxfifa you might want to reassess how Massa did against Raikkonen. Yes, Raikkonen won the world championship in 2007, but in 2008 and prior to being involved in the life threatening accident he had at Hungary in 2009, Massa out performed Raikkonen. By the end of the race in Germany (the race immediately before Hungary), Massa was 4th in the championship with 22 points and Raikkonen only had 13. His P2 in Hungary was only Raikkonen's 4th points finish in 2009, whereas Massa had 5. Of course, the 2009 Ferrari wasn't any easy car to drive, but Massa got more out of the car than Raikkonen. His 5 points finishes in a row that year came in Spain (where he could have been 4th but for faulty fuel readings), Monaco (finished 4th and got fastest lap, at a track he didn't enjoy), Turkey (6th place), Silverstone (recovered from 11th on the grid to finish 4th) and of course, Germany (third behind only the two Red Bulls of Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel)
@@SiVlog1989 that shows more about how poor Kimi was rather than how good Massa was. Michael made massa look like barrichello's child. That was my point, and then when you see how fisi smashed massa then got pumped by alonso, and how alonso pumped massa AND kimi, it's pretty obvious neither one were ever actually good, and 2008 ferrari easily had the best car, with a good driver they win easy.
My point is Massa had the resume of a below average midfield driver before 2008. and Kimi made himself on crushing coulthard (who was not good) and montoya (who was both overrated, and couldn't drive the mclaren which was totally different to the BMW williams).
Kimi and Massa are 1 and 2 on my most overrated drivers this century list
You should ask the same question about Raikkonen then, considering the sheer number of drivers he has outlasted.
Yes yes yes please.
Even tho he scored less points than heidfeld in 2001, he's the one who was signed for mclaren in following season despite heidfelf's status as mclaren academy driver
And he also throw Bernoldi to even worse team since kimi did better in pre season test, and thus the beginning of an end for sauber-red bull relationship
Mercedes engine failed Kimi.
Coulthard, Montoya, Grosjean. Thats not much considering both Coulthard and Montoya were at the end of their career and Grosjean was a rookie. Kimi was given preferential treatment during their times as teammates too
After the Hungarian GP debacale, ron dennis wanted to shelve Alonso, but was forced to keep him by Bernie and max.
Nobody, nobody, can say Alonso got a fair shake the last half of 2007 at McLaren.
Even the team threw away Lewis' championship at China, not fighting against Kimi, but Fernando.
Best example is Vandoorne. I will fight this to the end, Stoff is and always was superior to Russell. Both got shitboxes. One crushed a Russian paydriver and a guy in his mid-30s who was driving with basically one arm. The other dragged 26 points out of some awful McLarens but got Alonsoed. Norris is a future champion who was always going into the 2019 McLaren, but if Stoff hadn't been Fernandoed, maybe he could have stayed in place of Sainz, or could have gone to another midfield team.
This video and these facts prove a few things...
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The first one, how good was Hamilton as a rookie against such a good driver as Alonso in 2007.
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The second point, how Alonso was non-stop learning all his following years and getting better and better each year, especially with some non-top-3 machinery on the grid...
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And now... let me say... the third point may be that, Lewis, having been non-stop learning too after that year 2007 as well... : Who may say that in the year 2012, for example, both of them as teammates could have been really equal in most of the aspects...
Plus... I think the one who learnt the most from the 2007 season was actually not the rookie Hamilton, who indeed learnt a lot that year... but Alonso... with some mental games where he was the victim of Hamilton [like the cheeky moves by the "rookie" at the beginning of the qualifying session of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix ... where Hamilton didn't respect the "taking turns/alternate" McLaren team's agreements,... and nothing happened to him... just a big grid penalty for Alonso for his "counter-cheeky" movement blocking Hamilton for 10+ extra seconds at the pit lane...]
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The rookie Hamilton was indeed super good in the 2007 season... and both ended with the same points... [after Alonso's previously mentioned and famous penalty in Hungary 2007 where he was the victim (and not the only offender)... and McLaren was shooting their own foot]...
... But... let's remember that Alonso didn't stop learning after that 2007 year neither... and his following teammates [as we can see] had to suffer that... i.e. Alonso's learnt skills after 2007... and his own inborn natural talent.
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@Aldas... 🏎️ Congrats for the video! 👏🏻
This song is sick!
Checo going through this treatment right now
I don't care if they're career killers, to be honest. I'd prefer to see full runs of legends like Alonso over constant new blood.
Kimi's an interesting one, because, in the first half of his career, he was generally considered the fastest driver after Schumacher. In 2007 he also seemed to prove it by beating both Hamilton and Alonso in an inferior Ferrari. Trulli was never consistent - even in his Jordan days he would qualify brilliantly but was somehow nowhere during the races. Vandoorne? Ocon? Piquet? Nowhere near world champion level. Villeneuve was way past his prime (and I would argue that he won his one and only championship by default in '97). Fisichella was very similar to Trulli - incredibly inconsistent for some reason; sometimes lightning-fast, and then nowhere. Alonso and Hamilton basically cancelled each other out in '07. Jenson Button seems to be in the best position to judge this kind of thing, as he beat both Hamilton and Alonso as a teammate, and lost to both as well. By the way, this is also why I never considered Alonso quite the best-of-all-time (nor Hamilton), as he lost or failed to beat a few teammates on a few occasions (Trulli, Hamilton, Button). Schumacher, for example, beat everyone, from the start of his career to his initial retirement (including the likes of Nelson Piquet, Felipe Massa).
But ,what about Esteban icon?????
Alonso is the reason he won a race, isn't it?
Best drivers (whether young or old) should only grace F1. Some drivers peak at 27-30, some maybe even later than that, but often aging drivers are sidelined in the name of rookies.
If rookies have speed and age on their side then senior drivers have experience and racecraft on their's.
So there is simply no such comparison between the two. It just comes down to who delivers under pressure.
Ocon is learning this too...
Alonso is only the king of if buts and maybes, and had plenty of opportunities to win more titles if he got his head down in 2007 and 2008. Had a bit more luck in 2010 and 2012 and stuck with Ferrari for 2017 and 2018. He has not won a title since 2006. He holds up Lewis for 5 laps, after a driver gets in Lewis way coming out of the pits, and is hailed as some king. In 50 years he will just be remembered for 2005 and 2006.
I wouldn’t call Alonso the fastest driver of the 21st century. But he is definitely the best driver in terms of a Sunday. How we manages to place his car at a start of a GP, in a battle, on tyres. Nobody is even close to his sense of racing. Hamilton and Verstappen might be quicker over one lap, but in a race they would loose most times against Alonso
Berger and senna was amazing both were quick as hell
Jarno Truli got dropped after he let Barrichello overtake on the last lap of 2004 French GP.
Nelson Piquet Jr couldn't get a drive, because he snitched on Renualt to the FIA.
(Crashgate started in 09, when he was dropped by Renualt).
Senna, Hakkinen, Alonso and Hamilton. My favourites!
Kimi struggled with front tyres in 2014 and in 08,09 and in 2017 2018 when he started to get on top of it he had bad luck and seb was already in the championship lead by then... It's quite ironic that kimi won the championship in a car he struggled with
In terms of Stoffel I genuinely do believe that timing can ruin a great drivers career. Sometimes landing in the wrong car at the wrong time can just ruin what you could really achieve
Of course, the "#2" drivers have to drive in the shadow of their teammates, no matter how good they actually are.
Rubens Barrichello was a great driver, but people remember Michael Schumacher, who was the hero of the tifosi.
Same with Valterri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton.
And with Felipe Massa/Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso.
I think this can also point to how good button was, they were pretty even if I'm not mistaken
Hamilton vs Button, 2-1 teammate standing(WDC)😉😉😉
alonso in that Flavio Renault was lethal 😂
Why does he say -unh after each third word? Seventeenunh, formula one-unh, teamunh
Magic Alonso Song
I'd say that if George Russell is actually going to be what he's been sold to everyone as, then he's learned more watching and racing Alonso than any other point in his feeder series or F1 career to date.
Why was Giancarlo Fisichella left out of the video?
To take Kimi in this is silly! That Ferrari wad built for Alonso's style of driving and Kimi was in a bad place with Ferrari back then and we all k ow Vettel was the 1 first driver but Kimi beat Vettel in quali in eyear there so and was pretty close to Vettel for a second driver....
Some co-drivers had their role as supporting the main driver.. like Schumacher and Irvine.
Equally it could be argued that Alonso was never quite the same after being beaten by some 22 year old rookie back in 07.
Warhammer Will.....Right HAMILTARD!....Alonso beat Hamilton 4 years straight, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.....Obviously you didn't finish school either......They both LOST in 2007 Genius with 109 pts each when McLaren and Ron Dennis were fighting Alonso and not the other teams like Ferrari and Kimi!.......right WARHAMMER WILL!
Super Max: Hold my beer!
I thought Massa's 2009 accident should be considered with regards to his later career performances. It was a very complex skull fracture and there must be neurological implications from such a serious injury.
Being fair Hamilton saw off Fernando at McLaren.
The closest title fight we got in any season ever, but to be fair the British team did support their own driver more than the Spanish that year
@@andrijamitic3434 even without that
Hamilton was the best driver in 2007
@@andrijamitic3434 I watched that season and I think that alonso was the #1 until a certain point and mclaren started to recognized hamilton because I think he was leading the championship at that time. Fernando really couldn’t have thought playing mind games in a british team with a young promising british driver would turn out good for him that partnership was doomed from the moment hamilton got that seat and performed in Australia
@@andrijamitic3434 I agree, Hamilton did see him off with help from the team, but they had to make a choice and look where both drivers ended up. Fernando can be too emotional at times, he is a fantastic driver nevertheless.
@@andrijamitic3434 Hamilton was also a rookie.
Only the ones who know about this sport acknowledge that Fernando Alonso is the GOAT.
(At least from the 21st century)
I really hope that Vandoorne can come back to F1, such a great young driver 🔥
williams may give him that chance
but. personally i think its going to nick
Love the vid but why aren’t fisachella and button included?
Alonso in terms of raw talent is dam near unmacheed ( if he was in the 2018 ferriari he would have won the chapionship that vettel lost.)
and do you have even an ounce of proof to back that statement?
@@arjungrewal17 2012 that ferrari did not deserver to do any ware near a champion ship condender the 2018 car was. Vettle appered to lose a step half way throuth campain.
@@gunny419 the 2012 ferrari and the 2018 Ferrari were different cars. You cant predict how a season eill be with another driver, it is impossible due to the many variables
why didn't you include Jenson Button as teammate for 2015-2016?
I think Lewis Hamilton ended Alonso's career
Indeed. If not for the rookie Hamilton arose to F1 in 2007, Alonso would have reigned for some years.
Championship-caliber drivers are always going to make their teammate look inferior for the most part. Look at Hamilton-Bottas, Vettel-Webber, Verstappen-Gasly/Albon, Russell-Latifi, even LeClerc-Vettel, I believe some fans think of all those "number twos" as trash and can't drive fast. But they are all great drivers deep down and its up to them to raise their game, otherwise they won't become champions themselves. Only Nico Rosberg and Danny Ric were able to do that realtviely consistently against their Championship-caliber teammates.
just imagine if he stays at Ferrari till 17, and 18 easy wins for him
Senna nd Berger the ultimate yoker pairing