Regen PANIC. Live tractor regen process explanation and buttons.
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- There is a lot of conversation around emissions, including the DPF and the DOC. What really happens when your tractor goes into the regen process? Neil shows what happens when his tractor goes into regen.
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I just bought a 4701 (delivery tomorrow) and I learned more from your videos than from my local salesman. Thanks for doing these, you answered every question I had and then some!
Way to be "Johnny on the spot" with the camera, Neil. I used to worry about regen, but now I just let the tractor do its thing. Life's too short to stress over things I can't control.
I’m currently trying to come to this conclusion. I’m bitter about it but also I want over 25hp and I don’t want an old tractor. I think I just have to get over it.
@@alexmitchell7083 Bo engine that eats its own farts (egr) and has to be run wide open to keep soot from building up (dpf) is going to last as long . DEF fluid is another point of failure . When it is time to export to the used equipment market in most of the world every last bit of that garbage is ripped out . They won't last 30 minutes otherwise on the diesel most people have access to ...
I remember the first time this happened to me. I thought I messed something up and had to quickly google what the symbols meant. This video will be helpful to a lot of new tractor owners!
💥 Way to be camera ready for the regen process! Great video!
*Keep on tractoring!*
I watch you all the time. I am down here in Virginia with my uncle helping him and the tractor went into region and he didn’t know the process. I looked it up in your videos and we followed it step-by-step and it worked perfectly. Thank you so much for your helpful tips.😊
You made it simple / thanks and well done. Kubota had made this easy process a little too confusing. Thanks for the great content!
Neil, You are correct.
The first time my regen light came on I went 'whaaattt! What do I do now? How long will this take? Can I keep working? ThenI upped the rpms, saw the process was underway, and kept working.
About 15 min after regen finished I was done. I decided to let the tractor sit at idle for an extra 5 minutes and then parked it.
Not a big deal, and easy to understand , after you have been through it.
I'm happy with my L2501, and glad I don't have to mess with this process.
Neil I haven't see you this excited (at the beginning of the video) in a very long time when that Regen cycle was just starting up!
I was waiting for this for months.
@@MessicksEquip I've had Regen start on mine and didn't even notice the illuminated dashboard icon, my only clue was that I began to smell the soot burning off
Neil, thanks for doing what you do.
Very helpful. Thanks for this video. I just bought a Kubota L4701. Now I have an idea when to expect to have to do a regen.
I had my first regen on the LX3310 today. It lasted 13 minutes. My tractor had 13 hours at time of regen. Your video was very helpful. I watched it several times before the regen. The manual is a little confusing.
This is the best video! Amazing explanation, was hoping to see something like this!
Thanks Neil! I'm about to soon get a Kubota M7040, and was hesitant about the DPF
Neil Thank for your video I just bought a Kubota L3301 about 3 month ago and still learning about the tracor again Thanks!
Great job as always! I wish I could have seen this video 5 yrs ago! Thanks Neil.
Neil, Great timing. Thanks for posting. Your always ready to jump in front of a 📷 camera. 👍
Hi Neil, on my Boomer 45, i just did the Regen @150hrs, brought the machine back to my shop and to hit the button to start the process and it started the process on it’s own for 20min then came back down to idle… no issues… told by dealer don’t defer too many times then the dealer has to reset the process…God Bless and stay safe…Chief…{NYS/ADK}
This was a good video, it really shows that all that you need to do is raise the rpm's went it wants to do a regen and keep working. Once it is done you can lower the revs or stop the tractor if you want, but for the 15 minutes or so, just let the tractor scream a little! I would think the "inhibit" button would be good if you needed to park the tractor cause it was about to rain or something (and you wanted to put it away in the garage before you get soaked cause you mistakenly bought a tractor without a cab.......), but otherwise unless you HAVE to stop running the tractor, just let it scream for a bit!
My Kioti DK50SE cab has not had to do any regens....... oh, yeah, it's a pre-emissions 4 cylinder model..... :)
I own a 2018 kubota b3350 compact tractor - well known for regen problems. It’s currently being repaired again, and kubota sent me an apology letter for being the poor SOB that bought one. They also included a sticker that basically says this is a problem machine and call your dealer, and also a kubota keychain. That thing has 500 hrs on it and belongs in a scrapyard. Great machine other than the regen BS and apparently that’s the only thing you can’t actually replace/repair. I appreciate the keychain they sent me though that was a nice touch 😅
This great video instruction has been a great help understanding what DEF is and what taking place. Looked for something and found your channel for a 3902 I’m getting. It will be in the tutorial they give and now I have it down. Thank you Neil!
Great video on this. Had no idea what the light was on for so I hit the button, NOW I know better and can get it done. Thank you !
A lot of misinformation out there about this. Great video showing the actual process. Now you don't have to carry the camera around anymore!
Man your video really helped especially having the indicator on the video to click
I helped a friend who likes the low rpm regime do a 50 hour service. I noted that his oil was significantly dirtier than mine was. My tractor has never regened, probably because it spends 95% of it’s time on PTO work. How does this relate to dirty oil? At lower rpms you produce more carbon in the exhaust and more carbon is also more getting into the crankcase. Want to kill your tractor? Run it low rpm snd don’t change the oil.
My 3560 first regen was at about 50 hours. I wouldn't have known that anything was happening except for the display. I was only at 1800 and it didn't ask for more rpm's. About 13 minutes.
I just took owenership of my LX3310 with the front mount snowblower. I have 12 hours on it. Wasn't sure about the regen. Thank you for your video. I know my dealership explained it to me but I just forgot.
My anxiety is through the roof right now lol. Excellent video, I’m sure it will help out quite a few people.
My B2650 has not had to re-gen in over 309 hours! So far so good… 😀
Does the 25 HP engine even have to regen? It is under 26 HP so I thought no DPF or DEF fluid required.
@@danielrapoza8468 no re-gen needed. You are correct.
I was just being smarmy!
@@lcee6592 LOL, You got me there!!!
Outstanding. We are at 19 hours and YES the lights came on . I tried what you did obviously I wasn’t at a high enough RPM. Read manual on PARK and regen… RPMs went to about 2500 I panicked and shut it off.
I’ll try what you did today. Work through it appropriately like you higher RPMs hopefully it works.
Thanks very helpful. I will not do the park Regen again.
Nothing wrong with doing parked either. You were doing it correctly
Good video….I read all about regen to figure what I needed to do. This would’ve been great video to help understand what’s happening. I spent much time trying to understand the buttons…those instructions could’ve been reduced to a simple “do NOT touch these. If it’s time to regen, I just throttle up til up light t
Another good video thanks again for sharing.
Just add Power Service to the fuel. It will promote a cleaner burn and fewer Regen cycle times.
I use a LS4040H for bush hogging a steep pasture. Running 2350 rpm’s. It regens every 4-5 hrs, takes 15-20 minutes each time.
Thanks and great job capturing the process for us 👍🏼
WOW!!!! the tractor didn't eject you from the seat, run over you then burst into flames like so many people in the south says it does when it goes into regen. LOL
I've never seen a man so excited about a regen. 😄
Neil, my 4060 regens every 40 to 50 hours, I must get it working hard enough to extend the cycle. Mine usually lasts about twelve minutes.
Sounds like a huge waste of fuel for microscopicly cleaner exhaust.
Welcome to govt thinking they know what's best
Technically, the regen itself is not to make the air cleaner. It's to keep the DPF from getting clogged, which could at the very least cause you to lose power and performance, and at worst ruin your motor.
Blinky "POOP" light. Highly technical term!, but very descriptive. I immediately knew which light you were speaking of. To me it kinda looks like what passing gas would look like if you could see it happening.
I love videos like this!
I tend to not notice the Regens on my L3560. I spend a lot of time running my PTO chipping tree limbs in the summer and my snowblower in the winter. That engine RPM is higher than the Regen needs. Aside from a little different exhaust smell I rarely even notice.
I run a 2016 JD 3038e. 100% brush hog. I can go almost 100 hrs between regens. But I run it hard. In heavy brush when the engine is running hard and hot, I can watch the shoot % drop. I’ve seen it go from 82% down to 52% in 3 hard hot hours. I have about 1200 hrs on this machine and only one time did it make me stop and do a parked regen.
Thanks for a very good explanation.
Bought a new Kioti DK 4720, the regen light is red, to me red mean shut off! I drove to the house and could smell "hot", like paint burning.
Why wasn't I informed by the dealer if it's a regular thing!
I brush hog the pasture at 4700rpm, guessing that helps keep it clean.
mine just regened last week.. started right in the beginning of mowing the property
Thank you for the video.
Great video Neil!👍🏻
Sooooo helpful, thank you!!
my tractor gets used with high RPM's and the 540 PTO for mowing 95% of the time. with that, I regened at 50 hours and 150 hours. I expect my next regen to be at 250 hours
You beat me to it. I do a lot of brush hogging and my first was at 61 hours and my second at 135
My LX3310 regens every 16-17 hours. I almost am never under 2200 rpm. It must be programmed into the hours.
My brand new LX3310 started its first region at 12.5 hours. I guess I don't run it tag very high RPMs!
Thanks. Very informative
That's great thank you
I'd just like to know what you were cooking in your easy bake oven Neil? Kidding aside great video!
Have only had my Kubota go int regen about three times. I run it at about 2200 RPM so the regens are far apart. About 180 hours.
my NH T4.95 does a DPF regen roughly every 10 hours, regardless of what i do, year round. each time is 10-15 mins. might notice the occasional pitch change in exhaust tone but never gets in the way of what i'm doing. only once have i had shut it down during a regen and it automatically started again within an hour of running the next day
What about beeping at the same time?
Good stuff
Going to park or Working around dry flammable material.
What do you do when you follow the steps that you have taken, however when the regen light shuts off the red light next to it comes on and the machine starts beeping at you?
How do you delete it?
I have RK55 . When my light comes on i just bump rpm up to 25 snd it smokes for 15mins then kicks off. I am working the tractor during this time.
you defiantly need to be a sports announcer.
"That was as dramatic as the regen process can be." No, the drama comes into play when that system craps out and you spend thousands getting it repaired.
mine flashes all the time. never goes solid. I have had 3 forced park regen at 290 hours.
yes I rev it up to 2400rpms. takes 15-20 minutes and goes out.
I do use my tractor at 8200 feet in elevation.
Is this process applicable to my McCormick 35 hp. tractor??
What tractor? I own a 2021 TYM T474 HST, used on the VA coast, after 210 hours. It has never regen. Mostly loader work. Before you buy, ask around. What I observed is that all brands have regen issues, but not all engine/drivetrain configurations.
Lastly, buying a
Your video explained the Regen process a lot better than the operators manual that I received with my tractor.
I do have a question for you, as my tractor has only regened one time that I know of and it seems like that was around 35 hours.
I now have about 85 hours on the tractor. I do mostly loader work, some PTO work, so mostly lower RPM's. Shouldn't the tractor be regening more often?
Yesterday, at lower rpm you regen more. Does vary by model.
@@MessicksEquip Thanks
I would like to know the the programming of the regeneration cycle. (Sequence of operations). Maybe if people had that information they would feel more at ease
Why dont tractor owners just read the owner's manuel?
as a diesel and heavy equipment tech and instructor, I wish I could like this comment more than once
Just letting you know the instructions are behind your left shoulder.
Yea, never noticed before.
Do tractors with DPF equipment utilize Diesel Exhaust Fluid similar to my diesel truck? If so, how often do you have to add DEF?
Thanks! Good video!
I’m wanting to upgrade from my BX2660 to the LX3310.
No DEF!
Usually you won't see diesel exhaust fluid (def) until you get over 75hp.
The systems that use def are called selective catalyst reduction (scr).
@@bobheisserer9046 Thank you!
@@tangydiesel1886 Thank you!
Anyone could explain how to do the clock setting on Kubota m5112 as owner's manual is very confusing also the forced regen is not straightforward and intuitive for me. Thanks
the blinky poof light you call it. I call it the hot fart light.🤣 I have a 3301 dt. and I do alot of loader work and mine is about 16 to 18 hours between Regins mine always wants to regin when I'm almost finished I just rev it up and let it burn before I go to the shop. I do not want to have any issues with mine so i always let it do its thing just to make sure I have no issues.
It's why I chose a 2501. None of that regen garbage
Seems to be a massive improvement over the B3350…
Only one way to go but up.
The. M 7060 that l use takes ten minutes to complete. You can almost time it every time
What should you do if it comes on while you’re doing PTO work. It’s not good to engage the PTO at the RPM’s required to regen, right?
Take it down, engage the PTO and crank it back up.
How many times can you cancel the regen before the tractor shuts down? How are you supposed to handle jobs that have to be done at very low engine speed and slow ground speeds for days at a time? On my dad's farm, spraying has to be done by hand at a very slow walking pace. He uses the tractor to carry the tank of chemicals, pump, and boom with manually operated spray hoses. This is a slow process that continues over the course of weeks. Low rpm operation is the only efficient way to do this. He actually leased a tractor and had this issue with it. A service tech had to come out and connect to the tractor to manually perform the regen because it wouldn't do it during the course of work. These systems are nothing but extra trouble and extra fuel burned.
Lots of solutions here. Creeper gear, little more revs on the engine, hydrostatic that can creep slow, run a periodic parked Regen. We have dozens of tractors in orchards doing this exact sort of work without issue. You just need to understand and work with the system.
@@MessicksEquip I understand that it can be done, but it shouldn't have to be. All those things just add complication, cost, and more things to fail in the system. I guess I just don't see the benefit. Seems like a waste of fuel. Thanks for your reply though. Love your videos.
@@josuwils it does not burn measurably more fuel, the EPA did saddle us with some engine complexity though.
My 35hp Massey would regen at about 25 hour time periods. Would take about 10-15 minutes. I thought it was a longer process till I went thru it once. It's not a big deal and don't know why people are so against the tech. Perhaps the costs? My 50 hp Massey has yet to do one and it's at about 25 hours, so I'm expecting it to kick in any time. It is a different engine, so hard to tell.
What Masseys do you have that have a regen cycle? My 1735M's engine doesn't use a regen cycle at all.
@@brianpoi5117 My 1st one was an 1835M, then I traded up to a 2850M
So you can continue to work through the regen? I was told to stop and let it idle
No need to stop, and it should not idle during regen... half throttle or higher.
Ours has only gone into regen about 3 times in two years, operate at least 2200 RPM and you won't have this issue.
So it's no big deal. You just need to run your equipment at high rpms and get the motor extra hot... what could go wrong?!
California Forest Fire?
J.S.
@@mikeholubek4419 Not to mention, greater fuel consumption, more oil changes, and greater wear and tear on engine internals, but at least it's better for the environment.
@@moaski It isn't, just running real lean and filtering for emissions, then dumping fuel into the exhaust filter to burn off the soot. Wouldn't suprise me if epa changed testing procedures to test during regen.
@@ricksanchez7459 not sure I follow your logic: running an engine lean at high rpms for a prolonged period of time while this Regen cycle occurs is not good. This will certainly generate more heat running lean at rpm and cause excessive wear over time.
@@moaski I think you misunderstood, they run lean during normal operation to meet emissions, but still clog up the dpf. It then runs rich while in regen, spraying so much fuel it makes it to the exhaust/dpf, ignites, and burns the soot off the catalyst. Cat engines have a nozzle in the exhaust that sprays fuel onto the catalyst. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Look at the warranty on the emission systems, if it is 2000hrs I guarantee you that is when they start having problems/needing serviced.
My tractor that light came out too much
I knew something about the e-z bake oven was important...
My LS regens every 50 hrs or so no issues
I'm glad my kubota doesn't have to regen cycle
My Massey 1840e just did it's third regen at 115 hours, didn't do its first til 40 hours. I keep the rpms above 2000 all the time, seems to help with regen intervals. Do you recommend any automotive diesel fuel additives for dpf cleaning?
Dont use any additives. Most (if not all) are not meant for DPF and can poison it.
So what is happy balance between rpms for maximum performance and fuel usage? We are at around 22.5 hours on our new Kubota 3560 LE. No regen yet, but we run our rpm around 2000 to 2200 rpm for our front end Trail Blazer mower with power pack. It seems to run better at these higher rpms However it does seem to use more fuel.
I have a video shot on this very topic coming out shortly. All my testing shows that RPM hardly impacts fuel usage. It's all about the work that you're doing.
@@MessicksEquip I look forward on hearing about it. Enjoying the new tractor with its increased capability over our old 17 hp Kubota which has no loader. (L185 ot L185DT)
Smells like burning breaks. Never park in a garage just after light goes out. Takes a while to clear the air.
Where'd you get the basket you've got on the ROPS?
Artillian
Why would they cause confusion?? Being very snarky because on my L4701 the labels were entirely GONE from the buttons within 4 months. I’d have to look at the owners manual to figure which is which! Pathetic for Kubota to so poorly mark buttons…. I guess that goes with the instafade paint. Really the only gripe I have with it.
How old is you tractor? Paint process changed about 4 years ago and is much better now. I have seen a few of the buttons fade though.
@@MessicksEquip 3-4 years, not a single one of those square amber buttons has any identification
I can’t figure out how to do this with my 3043D John Deere tractor. Someone please help before I gotta call someone out here to teach me lol
I have a 2010 Kabota BX 2660 and this is the first time I’ve heard about region, does my tractor have that on it ? because I’ve never seen any flashing lights and I know there’s no buttons like the ones that was on your tractor
Not on yours
As far as I know all engines below 26 HP do not require any Regen process, DPF filter, or DEF fluid. The BX2660 is 25 HP and falls below the Govt requirement, so not an issue for you. I believe that is why Kubota and other mfg offer the 25 HP engines. So they are below and exempt from the Govt requirements.
Oh NO!
U BETTER SELL IT and buy 1 with the DPF since U really care about the environment Right??
nobody warned me about the regen and i thought i broke the tractor😂
I have a New Holland 25S, anything I need to do?
No.
@@MessicksEquip Thanks and I always appreciate your informative videos.
New Holland Boomer 37 does that garbage every 4 hours, no matter what. It takes 30 minutes as well.
American guy sure are better than the Australian guy on explaining how DPF regeneration work.
Australian suck and USA #1 man ❤
Shouldn’t this just be tackled during an oil change when the tractor is down for maintenances? Seems more practical but then again we are dealing with govt regs and over engineering.
How exactly would you do this during an oil change LOL
Change the oil then hit the clean button. Vs freaking out the owner that something is going wrong
@@tillman40 what "clean button" ? Lol. And are you going to change the oil every 20 or so hours ? I dont think you understand how this works
Regens are more frequent than oil changes. However, if a person wanted to do a manual regen during service, i would recommend doing it before the oil change, since a small amount of fuel and soot gets past the rings during regen. No point in getting fresh oil hot and dirty right away.
Can U as the operator do a "Forced" re-gen??
Parked. Yes.
Is that when it tells U it needs it?
I was kind of hoping it would be available b4 the "computer" says dpf is @ %, regen needed.
Sort of like planning 2 use in a "sensitive" area., hit the afterburner.
The tractor determines what type of regen is needed and when it's needed. As he said, you should never see the parked regen unless you are abusing the inhibit button.