Whos The Quicker Driver? Lando Norris Vs Oscar Piastri In Depth
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- čas přidán 10. 10. 2023
- in depth analysis on oscar piastri vs lando norris on whos quicker in the mclaren f1 car. which driver driving style suits the car more and why on is quicker then the other in certain track areas.
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Piastri is a prodigy!
Absolutely
All top drivers in F1 are prodigies.
@@bjs7442that’s not true at all. Mazepin is too easy of an example.
@@nickgirilovitch5428 Since when has Mazepin been a "top" F1 driver?
To be honest the word prodigy is inappropriate for any F1 driver as it is normally used for people who are amazing at a very young age.
It is most appropriate for Max and Lando as both were the youngest world karting champions of all time.
@@bjs7442 apologies, I didn’t see the “top” part. Haha
For Oscar to be at this level in his rookie year just goes to show how special he is.
It comes down to a couple things here. Since coming into F1, Piastri has managed to find short corners with his car something that not many rookies have been able to do in the past. Norris on the other hand has a prefered driving style of long cornering which after some analysis from Peter Windsor, came to the conclusion that it would hurt him in the long run as the ceiling is much higher in short cornering. Between Oscar and Lando however, there will be track specifics in which Lando will have better raw pace and Piastri better. Tracks like Suzuka, Qatar, Netherlands, Hungary (long cornering circuits) in theory will give a pace advantage to Lando. In T1 in Suzuka in the fitrst 2 minutes you could see he carries more speed in the entry, whilst Lando tries to get as close to the kerb for his exit. Piastri's goal in tracks like this should be to replicate what Max does and adjusts his line in long corners to get a better exit; and as a matter of fact on that second run that he said "I nailed the tricky bits" that's exactly what he did and his S1 was faster than Lando's (both of them fell off in the second run in S2,S3). However, tracks that predominently occupy short and sharp corners and utalise high anti roll values, Oscar will be able to get ahead in because of his short cornering. Prime example of Spa, Austin, Montreal, Monza, Mexico, Brazil, Las Vegas all have short, grippy, smooth and sharp and you need that extra anti roll to get the fast turn in that's required and having the ability to create short corners will hugely benefit him. Right now Lando has the race pace advantage over him in high deg races, coming from race experience (as it's the only way to learn deg). Tracks like silverstone with grippy, low-medium deg conditions are a neutral zone for both of them and it reflected in the race pace on that Sunday.
I think why Oscars able to create these short corners come down to his years at Alpine, sitting on the sidelines and studying what Fernando does. He is, if not the shortest cornering driver on the grid, more than Verstappen. So excissive that it actually hurt his race in Qatar because of the long corners and that's where you saw him going off track on the main broadcast replay. But for the most part to study what Alonso does and apply it to his on metrics with the MCL60 is a huge advantage espeically coming into F1 and adapting fresh of the bat; linking your driving style with the balance of the car. Even today, Peter Windsor mentioned that Oscar studies Max and how he applies his metrics to tracks with long corners, see what Max does and does the same thing to have that extra pace.
I think Daniel Ricciardo actually had something to say about this. He said that Oscar has an advantage because like Norris and Ricciardo they have pre-tuned styles that aren't 100% compatible with the style of the Mclaren whilst Oscar coming in fresh can manipulate the car to his liking; not having to alter his driving style.
I'm excited to see what Lando can do in response to this. Maybe alter his driving style and create more short corners when he needs to. I feel having a mega strong teammate with such a high ceiling and learning curve (You know how Oscars been described by engineers, fast learning, calm, chilled out) it will be an uphill battle for the foreseable future because how fast Oscar can adapt. But this is no mean in underestimating Norris because we've seen what he's able to do. As for Piastri... jeez, as he gets more confident in that car, being able to brake later. We saw how Suzuka was his first ever High-speed deg race and in just a fortnight he's improved his race pace 10 fold. Even Stella said, on Fridays he tends to hold back a little, learn the track, see how the car feels, and on the Saturday... BOOM. Just absolute shear RAW pace.
I know people say this a lot with young drivers like Norris and Leclerc... "Future world champ". But if Oscar can improve his raw pace by just, well racing experience. He will be a huge challenger next year, especially to the likes of Lando and Max.
Peter Windsor said , and he is the flag waver for short corners, that Alonso is the longest corner driver on the grid but makes up for it in other areas so Oscar didnt learn short corners from Alonso. He also stated that Senna was not a short corner driver so I dont see it as a negative with Lando. He is not long corner driver but is between the two and its effective.
The issue with Peter Windsor is he takes no account for the characteristics of the car. Every cars behave differently and drivers need to adapt. Lando is a very adaptable driver and experiments a lot with his driving. Its going to be a good battle between them. Its a great team.
@@bjs7442 I mixed up Stroll and Alonso again hahaha. Funny thing is that I've made videos comparing them, but it's quite strange as Alonso (looking in his on-board) in qatar had quite short corners considering anything, and it hurt his race (going off track, but the cars balance also plays into this with grip). At circuits where long corners play and come into effect Lando creates very long corners, suzuka, qatar and obviously dials it back at circuits like Silverstone. However for the likings of say Spa, oscar can adapt more and extract more where as Lando has to build his way up over the weekend adapting and changing his style which is a good trait to have. especially for COTA, Oscar will have a raw pace margin over lando. But it will be interesting as some of those corners are cambered quite heavily where in Suzuka at the hairpin (T11) Lando was able to extract more.
I do think by the end of the 23 he will get to better grips with race pace and start catching Lando in 24. Btw great comment :)
@@bjs7442I agree short corners can get you only that far, if you don't have the commitment and sensibility to feel every minor slide and just catch it that little earlier. Senna was a long corner driver, but had an immense feeling for the limit and had the guts to ride on the limit for longer and more consistently than others in his era.
Everyone would like a perfectly balanced car, but oversteer is how elite drivers prepare the car to make it rotate the way they want.
Pete Windsor is a journalist not a driving coach. The long corner short corner argument is complete rubbish.
a comparison of Max and Fernando’s lap at Monaco, were max somehow made up 3 tenths in the final sector, could be interesting. Great video mate, you’re my favourite f1 channel atm.
I could definitely do that and thank you my friend :)
Again, your analysis is so incredibly technical. Your audience can tell you are extremely knowledgeable about driving style and the different nuances actually on track. Brilliant video honestly one of your best. Keep it up man👌
❤️❤️ thank you my friend
Great analysis, love your work! what blows me is that this is Piastri first time at Suzuka, he's a rookie and had a year off last year. So for him to be a couple of hundred's of Lando is credit to him. He has amazing telnets.
Thank you my friend ❤️
Piastri driving that minimum path style, and I like it very much. I would like to see a bit more info on turn in points and braking, as it seems that these 2 are driving totally different paths in order to almost get to the exact laptime.
Ofcourse will do :)
Loving the videos as well man. The improvement in lighting, and the Audio.. WOW. the video structure has been exceptional, I really do believe you're going to erupt.
Thank you my friend I hope it should happen at some point :)
Just wait until Oscar's tire management matures. Lando might be calling Dr. Marko! Really enjoyed that man.
Agreed when his race pace gets there he will be supreme. Thank you my friend
Yea, Yuki and Lando... what a bromance that would be! 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome video bro, really like the progression of your channel!! If possible, I think seeing the telemetry data on screen (or a minimal version with just speed, gear and maybe even g-force), would be a nice addition :) Looking forward to the next Video!
When I learn how to add that I 100% will and thank you :)
@@F1Unchained no, thank YOU homie
Can you please make a video about the circuit of America’s and the Vegas track and let us know the difference between them and your insight as whom you think has the advantage over the other in the up coming races and thank you very much for all the uploads. 🙏🏻
I do plan on making some for circuit of the americas :) and Vegas
Piastri will have the pace advantage. Shorter corners, quite sharp actually. Norris will have to adapt massively, especially to COTA. It's all about overall balance and being able to rotate the car into that apex, not finding the better exit. It's where I think will be one of Piastris strong suites. It's like what we saw in Spa. Massive pace advantage to Oscar even before Lando had that underfloor damage.
@@F1Unchained you r the man 🙏🏻
The Pastri supremacy is only getting started lmao. Fr tho he is really good and has alot of potential. Lando is even getting annoyed at the fact that his teammate is so close to him
Agreed dude really is a star can’t wait to see more
When did Lando ever get annoyed, he fucking destroyed Oscar last season 😂😂😂
I feel like Norris doesn't respond well to pressure of having very fast teammate. Qatar showed that. Despite having more pace all weekend he didn't translate it into results due to mistakes. He probably didn't expect Piastri to get up to speed this quickly. Next year will be crucial for Lando to show if he has another level in him. One thing is for sure, there is gonna be fireworks at Mclaren if they manage to build contenting car from the start.
Agreed pressure is a issue with him currently
Was lando that tiny bit faster because he was pushing too hard hence made mistake?
Lando was faster than Pastri all weekend but the track limit violations decided the outcome. Our whole conversation would have been different if a those Q3 laps had counted. So to me Piastri is a great driver with huge potential but Lando to me has the edge. Lets not forget also that the tyre stipulations in the GP played into Oscars hands as tyre deg was taken out of the
race as an issue.
Keep up the great work man! Love the content
❤️❤️ always
Cool video, very insightful 👏.
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Very good analysis man keep up the good work 👊🏼
As who’s faster I can tell that Oscar Piastri can definitely be that guy I mean he is only a rookie and he has achieved a lot compared to other’s.
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Yo keep these coming 👍🏾
❤️❤️ will do
Beautiful, maybe add some bulletpoints in the end showing the strengths and weaknesses of each driver and or car. That way we start to get more familiar with your technical knowledge. i.e. Max oversteer preference. Sainz smooth driving and master strategist. Etc...
I don't know your background but you definitely have more racing knowledge better than me, keep the good work up.
Try to keep myself educated with it all :)
i was just gonna ask your predictions for the next gps? how do u think it's gonna turn out for mclaren?
btw great video, loving it!!
Just made a video talking about it :)
I have to ask, has anybody else noticed that the digital static you see on the onboards this year have gotten a lot worse? I swear there’s so much more lag on the onboard streams compared to just last year.
Yeap I agree last year was much better
Nice job on the McLaren Driver Analysis. Can you do a driver movement speculation video? I see there are now going to be 3 changes to the driver lineup of 3 teams now! What do you think of the following? 1. Stroll leaves F! to concentrate on the Aston WEC Hypercar development and be one of the drivers or maybe his Tennis skills are elite? 2. Perez gets forced out of Red Bull after this season is over! 3. Williams cans Sargent. These two major seats will cause big changes in at least four teams. All 3 Teams will be looking for experienced driver that don't crash cars. The new standard in the New F1 world of cost caps. LOL
Thank you and yeah I have a predictions video out :)
Great comparison! I can't wait for their rivalry in 2024
Agreed will be fun
First time the kid has been at the track. ❤
Lando had more down force because he was looking towards the race. The team said that. It was not the optimum for qualifying.
I think the video just said Oscar was a very quick qualifier . It didnt answer who was the fastest. You have to look over a season to know that. As different tracks suit different drivers.
It just for this lap he was quicker but yeah I know over race Lando is definitely the quicker driver but over a lap gives us a better idea of how they driver and why on wheee they both have success
@@F1Unchainedone lap pace for a rookie is best indication of their speed. For rookies sorting out race pace comes later. Like norris as a rookie was a quick qualifier but was slower in the race than sainz, and now norris' race pace is great as he got more experience.
great video i think they are pretty equal if mclaren get a really competitve car we will have to see in 24
Absolutely I think 24 will
Be a lot of fun
Aren't Pierre and Esteban also very close on level? It's hard to see because of the car and the strategies but there must be some quali where you can do a comparison
I could do it for them because they are damn close
4:43 Chicane? What chicane, you mean hairpin as noted on the track map (Turn 11).
Bravo Zulu young man 👏
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Piastri is car sievaint, hes like the t1000 a learning computer
Piastry rookie have decent one lap pace to challange Norris but Norris has edge in race pace comfortably
Agreed as of right now :)
No edge in Qatar tho ... Lando, ignoring "team instructions", started pulling fastest personal best laps and yet Oscar, cool as a cucumber, kept him safely at arm's length, e.g. out of DRS range.
@@aoife1122Wow, one race he was better. Congratulations. Norris wiped the floor with him in 17 other races 💀
@@manavkumar6590 You'd expect nothing less, with preferential treatment and team orders.
@@aoife1122 Stop making dumb excuses for why Piastri is so much slower than Norris. 20-8 in qualifying, 22-6 in races. Get over it
Honestly think McLaren drivers are going to cause more drama that the two merc the only reason Lando is ahead of Oscar is only due to tyre preservation which he will be better than that’s just a fact Lando is in trouble
Agreed so close to each other
Considering, the Osc still being a "diamond in the rough" while Lando, with five years worth of experience under his belt and car likely to be designed and upgraded with his driving style in mind, is struggling to keep up, doesn't really bode all that well at all for him.
(I know, cars are first and foremost designed for speed but the "start driver's" preferences will be taken into consideration where possible)
Ofcourse completely agree
Piastri and Norris have similar driving styles. Struggling to keep up? Norris is smashing him easily. It isn’t even close 😂
If you look at the exit of the last s in sector 1 norris misses the apex and loses time the time he gained out of t1.
Ham vs Rus would be nice
That’s probably who I would do :)
@@F1Unchained haha no way, twice in a row👀
Did Piastri just did what Peter Windsor says about Max and Schumacher?
The biggest thing I’ve taken away from these two is how close to Lando Oscar has become. Lando has been driving this car for a few years and obviously has experience at all tracks. Oscar’s first yr in F1 and also the McLaren, which is by all accounts a difficult car to drive he also has come up at a few tracks he has never driven at. Obviously the gap in the DC is quite substantial to Lando which you would expect, but Piastri has exceeded expectations and looks to be the most complete rookie in many a year.
Lando has had 100 f1 races Piastri 17 and at the moment Norris is just that little bit quicker but next year will see how things go
I feel Piastri has a bit more pace but Norris has a big race pace advantage still.
On tracks that rewards longcorner drivers, yes, but on tracks that rewards short corners drivers, not really.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 the Mclaren is very much a high speed corner and mid speed corner car, it's bad at low speed thats why oscar has worked quick in qual
Piastri doesn’t have more pace. Their driving styles are very similar. Norris is just better atm. 20-8 in qualifying, 22-6 in races.
Not a coincidence Alpine and Mclaren fought over him...And nobody fought for Norris...
This was still easy... but I tell you you will find it so difficult to find who is the quicker of the two in Aston martin...
LOL stroll is a mile ahead
@@F1Unchained 🤣🤣 undoubtedly
Piastri could win the Las Vegas GP. My logic is that everyone is new to this track and Piastri almost real-time analysis will significantly help he to have the edge.
If Piastri had Perez car, I think he would have had a chance to beat Max, but Piastri needs to continue growing, especially on how to be consistently fast on race day without burning his tires.
Loose is fast.. (harry hogge)
Oscar drives VERY Similar to Max…Interesting…
he does :)
In what way?
short corner gain @@henrywilliams8313
F1Unchainged.. in my head the jury is still on how i rate your videos, largely because in the past I've found you to have a lot of bias and inaccuracies. But I'm open to allow some of that because you're only human. As long its not excessive then you're OK
what bias you see? he not a lulu fan .. is it?
This was a cherry picked example to demonstrate how close Oscar can be to Lando. Fast forward to the 2024 , same track, dry conditions. Oscar knows the track now and Oscar is
0.271 slower than Lando. Lando P3 Oscar P6. Oscar has been outqualified in 2024 so far 3:1 and he has not improved his race tyre managemnet. Oscar is an outstanding young driver but the demise of Lando as team leader, lets not forget is only 18 months older, at the hands of Oscar is not materialising after 26 races.
A very worser exit...
This Piastri “rookie” business is a smokescreen. Hamilton almost won the champs in his first season and was generally quicker than 2 times champ Alonso. If you’re
quick you’re quick. Circuit knowledge is overrated. Check lap times at the latter stages of a GP and Lando is still generally faster - surely after 40 or 50 laps Piastri should have the circuit worked out and therefore be quicker. Not the case though. Admittedly Qatar was a disaster for Lando but all drivers have a rubbish race on occasion. Even so they had to back Lando off challenging Piastri despite being consistently a few tenths a lap quicker than Piastri. Lando = future world champ, Piastri = too early to tell
Haha keep coping mate. Lando admired he was pushing all the way to the end of Qatar and he still couldn’t get Oscar. Sure, Lando may be quicker in race pace at times but Oscar is learning fast. If Oscar gets the tire management sorted then Lando is in trouble.
Neither will be future world champion unless they get the right car. Piastri is clearly less likely to get flustered and to me seems mentally tougher.
Oscar is a proven race winner. Nowins is a habitual choker and a fraud.
@@mintoxace5571’In trouble’ Piastri is even slower this year than he was last year LMAO Norris is leagues ahead in races.
Piastri. Better driver than crystappen and Norris. Both spoonstappen and Norris are hypocrite haters. Bad auras.
Piastry is way better then Norris. Russlle destroyed Norris in F2 and Piastri is like Russlle. Won every category as a rookie to get to f1. Norris has been in F1 for 4 years and Piastri is already better. Best rookie we have seen in years and ive said for a long time he is gona be good. Norris is overrated and i love to see him get destroyed