Why Smooth is FASTER - Jenson Button
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Look at this - it’s Jenson Button in a Super GT car. Look at his hands, you can see why he is considered one of the smoothest drivers in Formula 1.
But is smoother actually faster? Yes, but no. Let me explain.
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Some drivers ‘drive the wheels off the car’ hacking away at the steering wheel, and some (on the surface) like they are driving to the shops. And it’s two ways of doing the same thing - driving a car fast.
Drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher and (to an extent) Max - all drive with more aggressive inputs on the steering wheel, throwing the car into a corner, or MAKING it rotate in the mid-corner.
This makes things look fast, and when done right - it is!
But people like Jackie Stewart, Alain Prost and later Jenson Button - were SUPER SMOOTH. Turning into the corner with one smooth sweep, making it look incredibly easy.
If you just looked at the steering wheel it looks like they are taking a corner on a back-road, on a Sunday Drive.
But Button was the epitome of this, the was THE SMOOTHEST driver in recent memory. And he did it well, winning 15 races, beating Lewis in his time as a teammate and taking the 2009 world championship. (That was a favourite year for a lot of us).
#JensonButton #DrivingStyle #F1 - Auta a dopravní prostředky
“How smooth are his balls” threw me off guard 😂
same here
With a straight face! I had to double check I was watching the right video!
Same bro lmao
That is the best ever transition to Manscape plug I have ever heard. You deserve an award of some kind for that!!
I do wonder if Button will see this and have a laugh :D
I had the EXACT same thought the second i saw that and was about to text that. Please give Scott a price for that transition to manscape, best ever 😂
Asking the REAL questions.
You could say it was a smooth transition
Came her for this. Was not disappointed!
That was one hell of a segway into the adbreak xD
I thought it was pretty smooth 😏
This got me all excited but it turns out you just meant Segue. Get Scott on a segway for the ad segues!
That caught me off guard... I was TF? 😂😂
Oh hea
It was also a nice segue!
That was a heck of a sponsor segue
:laughing: no joke!
yeah that was pretty good 🤣
That was... the best plug I've ever seen! I was 100% unprepared for that. If this goes viral I hope Manscape reward you kindly.
same
I think this was more obvious on the BrawnGP. He was like painting, it was a pleasure to watch. Especially the Pole lap at Monaco, absolutely brilliant.
It's almost as if he had a car significantly faster than everyone else...
@@Bahamuttiamat The Red Bull wasn't that far off the Brawn's pace
@@Bahamuttiamat Considering he came pretty close to losing the championship and the Brawn had literally zero development during the season, no he didn't. At the start yes but that was the double diffuser, and both Williams and Toyota had those from the start.
@@Bahamuttiamat you can still drive a backmarker smoothly lmao
It is something to behold.
Although i do enjoy the modern day cars being on the absolute edge through anthony nough. The fastest cars always look like they are going to hit the barrier there.
Sounds like Button would be a natural fit for stock car racing then, where preserving momentum on oval tracks is key.
Also for endurance racing where tire preservation is key.
@@AndyFromBeaverton and fuel economy
We shall see very soon and I’m very excited myself
@@CringeLord0119wouldn't it be just sweet to see Jenson smoke the good ole boys?
Guess what!? Jenson is racing the Nascar #15 car!!!
Button will race on March 26 at COTA, July 2 at the Chicago street circuit and Aug. 13 at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course!
In retrospect, the first hint of what he was capable of in mixed weather conditions was the 2000 German Grand Prix. While it gets overshadowed by the track invasion and Barrichello taking his first race win after starting the race 18th, Button's drive that day was nonetheless a superb drive. After starting last, due to stalling his BMW engine on the dummy grid, he made initial steady progress in the dry, but his race transformed when it started to rain.
Bearing in mind this was at the third incarnation of Hockenheim, often referred to as "Old Hockenheim", with the layout featuring 4 long flat out sections truncated by 3 chicanes, with the lap completed by the stadium section, it was the second longest lap of the year at 4.25 miles round. When the rain arrived, the stadium had torrential rain, but the rest if the track was dry. Although the headline was Barrichello being able to stay roughly 10 seconds ahead of the two McLarens on dries with the McLarens on wets, it was in fact Button, who had also changed to wets, that got the most out of them.
He passed car after car and after climbing up to an incredible 4th place, was by far the quickest driver on the track. By the end of the race, he was right on third placed David Coulthard's tail, just short of a sensational podium, but it was a brilliant drive by the then 20 year old rookie nonetheless
the meat riding is crazy!!
Regarding Jenson's wet weather prowess, in an interview I heard many years ago he put that down to his dad and karting.
He had talked about how expensive karting competitively is; and how his dad refused to buy wet weather tyres for his kart. So Jenson had to learn to be competitive on his standard dry weather slick tyres. A learned skill that showed when, in his later racing career, he would make a habit of confidently switching to slicks, seemingly early, in changeable conditions.
Thank you Scott. Ever since i started watching F1 in 1901 as a 70 year old, i always questions how smooth Button's balls actually were. I can be in peace now 😇😇😇.
Comment of the week 😂😂😂
Literally the SMOOTHEST transition I have ever seen
I think it ultimately depends on car and track which style you go for, I can do both, I learnt the scrappy corner chopping way first, initially I was slower, I then learnt how to be smooth and precise and now I can do both, which is a huge advantage when it comes to wheel to wheel because you got so much confidence making risky moves in tight situations, being comfortable with throwing a car around will always mean you’re faster than the guy who’s not prepared to do that
It may be smoother to write these six sentences as one sentence, but it's also grammatically incorrect.
@@AisuruMirai FIXED: It may be smoother to write these six sentences as one -sentence- , but it's also grammatically incorrect.
@@AisuruMirai
loser 1
@@AndyFromBeaverton
loser 2
2 conformists to other man made standards. Being born followers of other people; a state almost lower than being an animal. Learning those simple rules or tricks is on the same level as an animal, those can learn tricks too.
Knowing other peoples made up rules wont change how intelligent you are born and how much of a degenerate you both have become in pretending you are smart.
I bet I would be correct to say you both are clueless @ life
Best segue into the ad that I've ever heard!
Alonso has done this not because it was his driving style. It was the key to get the renault fast. The tires were super hard especially in 2005, that it was super difficulty to get it warm. So alonso turned a lot more agressive into a corner to produce understeer and heat the front tires. Thats why he was so super fast. It was his great year, he understood to manage the tires. (In 2005 tires cannot be changed, so super hard)
Schumacher is the king of aggressive and controlled driving and Clark who wasn’t even mentioned in this video is the king of smooth and precise I think that’s the best way to put it
Neither was Hamilton. Odd to leave two of the very best out.
For real, and Lewis is very good on his tires. Drivers like Button and Perez are easy on their tires but they aren’t usually on the top pace. It’s a lot easier to save tires if you aren’t driving at 100%. Lewis, George, Max, etc. are the real tire whisperers. Keep the tires good while being at top pace. I’m still a big fan of Jensen but I think people hype up his ‘11 Canadian gp too much. Doubt he would have won had he not run his teammate straight into a barrier. It ridiculous that he didn’t get a penalty for that, going 170mph+ and runs Lewis into a barrier on the straight when he went for a pass. Button was usually pretty clean wheel to wheel just like Lewis but that was so blatant.
Hey Scott, do you think you can do a video on Kimi Raikkonen's driving style? Kimi's style looks like a combination of smooth and aggressive. He's more aggressive than Button but smoother than Schumacher and Alonso. I've been watching and trying Kimi's driving style in racing sims and have been able to lower my laptimes by a few tenths. My default style was more like Schumacher and Alonso's, but now adding Kimi's driving style can make one go faster in a sim and on track in real life.
Come on Scott, let's do Kimi
Yes. Especially on how Kimi Raikkonen able to get on the throttle extremely early, earlier than anyone else.
Are talking about pre sabbatical Kimi or post sabbatical Kimi?
Seems to me on his return with Lotus Renault, his inputs were generally softer than pre 2010.
Btw, I used to be a regular at Pouhon corner (2007 - 2012), and I still think Kimi is the most spectacular driver I’ve seen on entry to that corner. I swear, it was like his rear was ahead of the front; made me gasp every time.
@@Karma2Babylon Any version of Kimi. Early-Mid 2000's Kimi, 2012-2013 Kimi, and 2017-2018 Kimi.
@@elijahprasad7884 how about Nascar kimi?
Even reading the comments, knewing that there's something to come, the transition to smooth balls was smoother than Buttons cornering.
Button coming from last (twice) to first in Canada is my favourite F1 moment. An incredible drive.
I really wanna say thank you to driver 61 for giving this information for free as it is always so annoying when you have to pay for everything I really respect it
"BUT how smooth are his balls?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good Segue.
Love these types of videos Scott.
There are so many subtleties that non-racers don't see.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I want to see how smooth he is in a NASCAR cup car. He has COTA, Chicago, and Indy to show his stuff. I can't wait to see Kimi and Jenson at COTA in NASCAR CUP cars.
kimi was fast at watkins glen until he crashed out. i love watching kimi in nascar especially at the road courses.
Jenson at Le Mans coming up is something I’m excited for also.
@@vincentfegley6068 ..and it wasn't even his fault. He just got caught up by another car.
Shame it had to end that way but at least we will see more of him soon alongside Button.
I love those videos. I’m a sim racer and an occasional track day guy and I love these videos that discuss different driving styles from legends like that. Thanks
Congrats on the 1M subs
3:11 Speaking as a former pro motocross racer (also top pro karting skills), the ONLY issue I had with the corner line presentation--the #1 issue, actually--is that the B-racing line opens you up to being passed on the inside. It leaves the door partially open for that. So you've got to be aware if anyone's close enough behind you, and who they are as a racer. But no one who could be close enough to me would NOT be capable of pushing in there, and I'd expect them to. But in amateur levels, courage and capability vary broadly. So all bets are off in those classes!
Baby Scott making an appearance today🤣
I love these videos. I think the ones on The Michael and Ayrton were my first on your channel that I've watched.
My driving style in sim changes from era to era of F1 cars. As you say, the new cars demand a smooth operator (which I'm not really) though driving cars from Michael's era is so hectic, which I'm better at😄. Playing with TC settings and stuff. Keep up the great content🤙
6:12 HIS WHAT?!
Caught me completely off guard lol, thank you for the great video as always!
That sponsor segue is legendary. I spat my drink
I relate to what jenson said about being smooth in carting having less power so to keep momentum up he's putting less steering inputs in to keep maximum speed...I did that principal with my smaller powered two stroke motorbikes..by keeping the revs up...allways being in the right gear for maximum drive out of the corners for maximum speed...you carry that over onto bigger bikes or cars or whatever and you forward plan to allways get the best line for fastest speed..result...it makes for great driving.
I always enjoy these presentations, despite having a mature understanding of motorsports myself. I use both styles depending on the circumstances, even just one lap can require style requirements to change, or when you have the transition between clear running and dicing with others.
Love all the details of your explanations - all of the factors are super interesting!
This video was truly a great experience. Extraordinary job across the board! Now subscribed.
That's explains Checo' s abilities, he learned quite well from Button.
If you're talking about keeping tires alive Checo said he learned that from Kobayashi at Sauber.
@@bassmunk ayo kobayashi a legend for that
Checo mostly credited his current driving style to preserve tyre to Kobayashi during his tenure in Sauber.
Indeed he had two great teammates that made him grow in the sport
@@cl_0ud470 One of the most underrated drivers ever. What an ace.
Congratulations on passing 1M subs Scott. Well done and well deserved!
I love these technical racing videos because it all applies to everyday driving, at least in theory if not practice. Ditto for "off road" technical advice. I take "smooth" turns and use the pedals to balance my vehicle, just by instinct, and from letting my vehicle tell me what it wants to do.
That transition to the manscaped ad was ....smooth
LOL I don't know how you did that with a straight face
You forgot the smoothest of all...Jim Clark! the few onboards are just incredible given the deathmachines he drove so carefully, as one Lotus mechanic said he could tell the difference between Jim's car to his teammate from the usage of some mecanical pieces!
I'd say that Damon drove in much the same way - possibly a genetic thing. He was often not considered to be fast, yet he was a champion, should have been a two-time champ, and could overtake anyone on the grid. It's one of the reasons I took to JB. His style just reminded me of many of my favourite drivers over the decades. I'd say it's a very British style of racing - throughout the generations they seem to have been the smoothest drivers. I'd say that as he's got older and more experienced, Lewis has become smoother. Just MHO.
Love the transition to the manscaped ad, really smooth
Hey Scott. Awesome video.
Some karts have gears, more often then not, softer tires and more oversteer makes it easier to kick out the rear which allows you to hug the corners more. So much so, that you can drive a kz in the rain with slicks and power drift your way around.
Cars have suspension, and differential settings etc. A go kart chassis is just a bunch of metal twisting and compressing so the chassis bends itself around a corner and I'm sure you know this already.
De Vries is also very smooth. Been watching him since 2012.
Would be cool to see a wet weather video as well.
This video shows the importance of smooth transitions to advertising, for sure.
To your overall point, your clip of your prior self makes it very clear. I think Peter Windsor has also said the same things. I would imagine that the ideal skill is to be able to be smooth when it counts but still be able to rotate faster. Verstappen and Vettel are both really good at this.
Alain Prost is the most technical driver ever. To see him driving a F1 car is a pure joy.
driving fast is really a combination of everything. knowing the car, the setup, how it behaves with each tire and track, tire degradation and how to use the mechanics of the car to an advantage during all phases of tire wear, race duration and fuel load. don't forget changing car settings on the fly.
so many things to consider. this is why these are the best drivers in the world.
That transition made me choke on my drink 😂😂 easily the greatest transition to date!
Jim Clark was the smoothest of all time, gentle on the car and no wasted motions or effort.
I normally skip through ad reads. After that transition I had to listen to this one all the way through. Respect
love the videos keep it up :)
As much as I love Button's driving style, to me the smoothest F1 driver will be no other than the late Jim Clark.
He was so smooth that he could feel if his car had faulty components and adjusted his driving accordingly until he can nurse it to the pits.
There was that one famous story where he won with broken gear lever and still ahead of his rivals.
Man is truly a legend
As always brilliant and very informative video Scott! Can you please explain Rob Wilson 'flat car' and 'short corner' driving technique in the next video?
Congrats on Million subscribers!
I'd also like to know this, Peter Windsor talks about it all the time
I can explain what Rob's terminology means. Just for the record, I'm a race instructor too and I know both Scott and Rob. So, what Rob means by "a flat car" is mostly relevant to trail-braking. You've heard Scott talk about "vee-ing off" a corner. Some call it the V-line, others the A-line. This refers to making the racing line straighter at both the entry and exit of the corner and getting most of the rotation done around the apex (or clipping point) - reducing the amount of time the car is doing most of its turning, therefore "shortening the corner".
Something I haven't heard Scott mention yet is another upshot of trail-braking... as well as keeping weight (or load) over the front wheels, what else is happening? Well, if you think about it, weight going over the front axle means the front suspension is being compressed, i.e. it's being pre-loaded. If the springs are already compressed, then there's not much more left to compress as you gradually tighten the line between turning in and reaching the apex. This means the car remains more horizontal and less prone to the outside front corner nose-diving (visibly or not) and putting all or most of the weight on the one, front outer tyre. The lateral weight transfer is minimised and the distribution of weight across the front axle is maximised, so there is more overall frontal grip as the inside tyre is also contributing to it. That's what Rob means by "a flat car". I can assure you that’s what Rob means by “a flat car” and “shortening the corner” as I’ve discussed it with him and he’s confirmed it.
So, what you end up with is an earlier, faster, but smooth and progressive turn in, making an initially straighter but gradually tightening line and slowing the further into the corner you get; a slightly tighter and slower rotational speed around the middle of the corner; then an exit line which is also straighter, allowing for better acceleration, which will transfer weight to the rear, providing more rear grip, squatting the rear suspension and transferring weight over the rear axle, therefore minimising lateral weight transfer (roll) and keeping the car "flat". The racing line is like an A or upside-down V in comparison to the geometric line.
I often demonstrate the "flat car" outcome of trail-braking by (when possible) getting my clients to drive (usually a Mazda MX5) at a steady 30 mph on a long straight and without changing the speed, turn sharply. Then I get them to drive at 45-50 mph and start braking, then get them to turn sharply while they're still braking and see the difference it makes... which is: the car turns better with minimal roll (no nose-dive on one front corner). You can try it yourself, but please don’t do it on a track or test day, find an open space with no other cars around.
It's a shame I can’t upload images here, or I could have uploaded a couple of diagrams.
I've also noticed Max being very smooth compared to checo
Max is relatively slow going into the corners as a result his exit is mighty quick
Yes, he drives like Ricciardo, early on the brakes to to have slower entry for great rotation and on the throttle early as fuck
Maybe it is due to new aero regulations. When he is not heavy braking in the middle of the corner his floor is flatter, closer to what they have in the aero tunel. And he have less hot air (messy air flow) from the brakes. For sure his driving style changed and it seems to work over race distance.
Well,the V-shaped line shouldn't theoretically go against smooth driving.
But I guess this is where "rotation rotation rotation" comes in and rotating the car quickly on entry may require a bit of "monkey business" on the part of the driver.
Having said all that, to my mind Prost was the greatest ever,or at least from the 80s onwards that I've watched F1, "high speed honey".
Smoothness really pays off in endurance events with important wear strategy. IMSA and TransAm and MX-5 can even show that difference.
That was the greatest advertiser segue I've ever witnessed. Really, really excellent work!
That segway to the Manscaped stuff was shokingly unexpected xD
That transition to the sponsor was really smooth
i was literally dealing with this in Dirt2.0 today.
i was running the groub B opel around italy. a tarmac track. i was doing well in practice on mediums. but it was a one off race so i though. lets use softs.
the extra grip and my harsh inputs actually made the car go on 2 wheels a few times.
because the outside wheels gained traction. enough to flip the vehicle. where as the mediums i was just sliding a bit.
i was being a bit cheeky with barriers and didnt want to flip by cliping them on the up coming chicane.
i ended up f lipping the car anyways.
After watching the replay, i literally flipped because i had too much traction. i didnt hit anything.
Sooooo, Manscape before I slide into the Sim Rig... Got It.
Also, thanks as always for top quakity racing knowledge. It is appreciated!
That was an incredibly smooth transition to your sponsorship.
That transition to manscaped! I was actually shocked before I realised 😂
My god those 2017 videos were a throwback. They were an incredible resource for learning sim racing for me. Especially when so many other videos were done by people who were as bad as I was, having a professional teaching us lowly sim racers was fantastic.
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one to sit through hours of Scott's real world experience and detailed presentations...priceless!
Well this explains why I struggle so much to get go-karts around hairpins. The kart always feels like it just doesn't want to rotate. I really like to be aggressive with the steering wheel. I'll have to find a way to be smoother.
best ads transition. so smooth like jensen balls. truly deserve the name driver69
Scott, can you do a comparison between Bottas and Button? Curious to know what you think between the two in full attack. Monza, Imola, Australia would be fun to watch. Thank you.
2017 Scott has such a babyface.
I also get the feeling Jenson has very smooth balls.
Smooth as Scott's face?, lol!
Love this analysis on driver styles. Do you have plans for a Kimi or Seb one?
Idk if his balls is as smooth as your segue but that is definitely the first thing I think of when I see F1 drivers driving around the lap.
Would be interesting to analyze Jim Clark a little bit in this area. Unfortunately there is not going to be any onboard footage. He was known for his tyre and fuel conservation.
Congratulations on 1M subs !
I think it reminds me of motocross riders transferring from 2 strokes to 4 strokes where you can be more aggressive cause there’s no power band. Someone told me “ aggressive riders are greedy on track cause you’re always looking for more traction rather than making the traction “ which aggressive riding style works for some and others it doesn’t especially vehicle dependent, max is an aggressive driver with his style but it’s got him his wins. But someone from back in the day like a Jim Clark it was hard to be aggressive driver in those cars
so excited to see him race in NASCAR at cota!
I used to SCCA Autocross, and I learned very early on that speed and aggressiveness is not necessarily the answer! My mentor Forrest Tindle (RIP), drove an ole rusty, beat up Porsche 912! His car was slow, but his smooth way of driving helped him to win many regional, and divisional championships! I learned this and became the next contender!
My reaction before the ad break was like "you what mate?". Very good!
V shape aroud slow corners doesn't exclude being smooth on steering inputs
I believe in the smooth also even doing or thinking the aggressive part smoothly. I have this point made by my father who was a fighter pilot and fighter weapons instructor who survived 3 tours in Vietnam. He taught me the same with a motorcycle and car. Maybe it had to do with energy conservation or not wasting it. He just always said to "be smooth".
Yeah that manscape ad got my attention for sure lol. I was like wait what!?
Is it better/easier for teams to have two drivers with similar styles? Or does a mix of styles help with car development?
Nearly spilled my coffee at the ad transition.
It's amazing feeling watching the delta drop going down the straight after using this cornering technique.
Like I've always said ...turning a race car is 50% steering 25% brakes and 25% throttle...the brake and throttle can manipulate the grip so much.
Nice contrast to Clark in many ways but also touches on an element they share whereby much of Clark’s often frantic hand activity was a passenger to the madness in the pedals. Jimmy was truly a pioneer atleast in single seaters with his false apex philosophy bucking the trend of depending on straight line braking. Your point on JB’s pedal work is astute & often ignored. I always felt JB was a master of the trade off that goes on negotiating a turn between hand and feet activity.
That was the Singapore Sling of sponsorship transitions. Really caught me off guard. Well done.
I must confess I never ever ever had thought about the smoothness of Button's balls
Best sponsor ad ever. I was like, did he just say what I thought he did. Only issue now is I have that image of Jenson in my head :s
6:12 That entrance to the ad was hilarious.
There's a cool indie race game you might like, Zeepkist. Since you only rely on gravity to speed up, using very minimal steering inputs is key.
The "2017 Scott", I love it!!
That was a ballsy move, kudos.
the smoothness of the advertisment 🤣
2017 Scott! I remember that video, wasn’t it like 45 minutes long?
Being smooth gives you the greatest changes of chasing down your rival and running him off the track. Lewis taught me that trick.
I think that Button's smoothness has nothing to do with the racing line but with his decision to not go over the limits and be forced to overdrive the car which preserved the tires and lowered the risk of losing time through errors. And that made him great especially on mixed conditions. His driving style was a strategic decision that served him well imho. In that part he resembled Prost muchly me thinks.
So why does it have nothing to do with the racing line? Why not both?
@@ObamasBirthCertificate Since that racing line benefitted him only in the weaker engined carts, why to use that slower racing line in an F1 car losing time? He is a smart person eh?
6:12 that plug was just amazing xD
11:23 we are in Paul di Resta car not Jenson Button? :)
By the way thanks for interesting insight of the topic.
Congratulations to 1M subscribers.
If I may offer a different perspective, yes smooth is fast much more often than not. The only time it seems different is when the wheel is making very small corrections at the limit (like Schumacher said he had a great feel for). Which is not the same as hacking at the wheel. Having to turn the car “more” in a V shape line is really not opposed to driving smooth, as turning a car has less to do with what the wheel is doing than what the feet are doing. Anything a car does is a result of tire grip and the tire needs a certain “time” to respond. I think Jackie Stewart gave the best analogy that you can push a box to slide on the ground if you did it abruptly but not if you applied (the same force) gently. In other words gentle generates more grip, and grip is what turns, accelerates and brakes the car. It Is a function of tire technology and behavior. So in the end the real question is if you are reaching the true limit by driving smooth or staying under. And that is hard to tell from a video. But for sure most of the times that aggressive style is overstepping it rather than staying right on it. So stay smooth! 😂 My 2Cs. And thanks for your videos I always learn a lot.
Good video but what were you thinking with that advert
It is so much easier to apply throttle in the rain, when having 0 steering angle (In some circumstances, especially TC off, high HP RWD). Therefor I often prefer myself to drive a very formula1 style line in the rain sometimes, to avoid having to dance on the throttle to much on exit. What I find particularly rewarding is during a race , you get to ease off your mind a little, while being consistently close to optimal.
Im not a pro by any means, but my experience is that a little to much throttle is better than not knowing how much less than the grip you are throttling. Especially in very changing wet conditions obviously.
My instructor at Jim Russell Canada preached don't go faster in your head just because you're going fast on the track. Andretti once said that smoothness is hard to teach. Button is proof that slowing input at speed is the essence of smoothness.
After the Buttons balls transition, I got scared when you started talking about loads... tyre ones, that is.
When I was autocrossing all the time Texas, there were two Corvette drives, both were national champ caliber guys. One of them on course looked slow and boring, the other guy was sliding around constantly, like the car was constantly floating with little bits of slip angle, looked amazing and crazy fast. But they were usually within a tenth. Drifty guy would tend to barely win if he managed not to hit any cones. One of them I guess approaching the limit of adhesion from below, the other from above
The great thing with Alonso he adapted his driving style to suit the car & tyres as shown in the video