Is A $50 Radar Detector BETTER Than A $650 Detector??
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2022
- Is A $50 Radar Detector BETTER Than A $650 Detector? In this cheap vs expensive head to head we test out the Whistler Z11, Escort Max360 and Uniden R7 to determine the best radar detector for the price!
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Something to consider... Often, LEOs do not run in constant on mode. They run in instant on mode for only a few seconds. This is where having a detector with the longest range will save your bacon much more frequently.
Ahh good ole POP
@@yung_megafone slightly different than POP
Don't know what an LEO is but I do know that the CHP often don't sit there with the radar on constantly. They'll flip it on for just a couple seconds to get a reading and the flip it back off so as to help avoid the radar detectors. Is this what you meant?
True, but police cant use POP radars in court because its less accurate than 'constant' mode
Tu it nic
Anything is better than the detector I had years ago.
It turned into a "new car" detector when the fancier cars got radar for adaptive cruise and auto braking.
The R7 can also have those issues but you can fine tune the detector to completely ignore certain frequencies. Cannot speak for the detector you had but it is possible that you can set it up to ignore those frequencies.
@@Aether52 LOL, it had NO adjustments.
@@patmcbride9853 F
It forget the assignment.
My escort 8500 would go off every damn time a Chrysler Pacifica went by. EVERY SINGLE TIME. I threw it in the door pocket after 6 months of a 90 mile commute
I have had an R7 for several months already. Its pretty good but I would definitely want additional laser detector/jammers since it is currently the largest weak point. The R7 gives me so much warning for troopers, usually at least a full mile so I have time to either slow down or get up to 150 and safely cruise by.
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@@minicented ?
@@minicentedthey don't bother chasing if you're above and beyond a certain mph threshold I assume
@@dracolich345 lol they wont chase if the radar pics up 150 plus … its a waste of time and they know it
Him doing the driving test got me thinkin about gas prices 😂
Been running the Uniden R3 for quite some time and its amazing how many times its probably saved me. Most memorable moment was when my brother and I were driving through some mountains having a good time and it triggered so we slowed down, it was a solid 2 minutes of driving until we saw the cop that was running radar on a bend. Doesn't break the bank quite as much as the R7 but still insanely worth it in my opinion.
do you know if it picks up cameras on highways? any cons? thinking of buying one. thanks!
@@matyastolgyes5487 I have one and it does pick up speed cameras by the gps. The only cons is not knowing where the police actually is without the arrows. I do get some false alerts on my r3 every single day in the same spot tho and you can't mute a KA band. Just two days ago at 1am it saved my bacon twice so I say the cons don't even affect the buying decision. Get it and be safe man.
@@avipatel5022 thanks a lot! buying as soon as i can. how big of a difference do the arrows make? i feel like if it goes off i’ll slow down anyways, what do the arrows help with?
@@matyastolgyes5487showing the location of the cop
Where u but it from
The one thing I also like about the r7 is the auto mute memory is pretty fast after about two or three drives to work on the same route It picked up 2 areas of speed sensors for school zones and didn't go off after that.
My max 360 does too. I like the arrows tho.
@@sagew7377 yes but almost $150 more. However I do wish the r7 came with speed limit display as well as an app to customize the settings faster
@@Donniec685 R7 is objectively better detector honestly, the info display hasn't properly connected to my phone in ages and I've given up on it. Maybe it needs an update, not sure honestly.
@@sagew7377 that’s great info and I love my r7! I’ve heard similar responses from max 360 owners. I’d check into seeing if it needs updating. Updating the r7 is one of the most difficult things and I really wish they would have implemented a better solution as well as newer features on the r8 such as one the max 360 is capable of. I really don’t think people will upgrade to the r8 and spend $250 more than the r7 just for the buttons to be on the front lmao
For many years I had the Valentine 1 but then got rid of it because even after the factory upgrade it was picking up every safety alert on vehicles. I then bought the V1 Gen 2 and that problem is mostly solved. It is a major improvement with long range detection too. I've noticed more officers are now using rear facing radar in their vehicles and an increase in Laser which is deadly accurate.
Try your stuff existing/entering California on i10. It'll fail guaranteed
Another test that could separate detectors is a quick trigger instant on test. Some detectors are slower to respond to a sudden burst of radar than others, and in the old days, if the burst was less than a second, some detectors wouldn’t alert at all.
Another is going past radar that is facing away and only hits you from behind as you go past. Some detectors are better at this than others.
Yet another test is effectiveness against different frequencies. The Whistler may do well agains a stalker at 34.7. But guns that shoot 38.8 and 35.5 can be more of a challenge for all detectors, especially 35.5. I suspect the range on all detectors goes down with the different frequencies.
I bought a uniden R3 and it's honestly so good ! There's a lot of K and Ka bands on the street with modern cars and sensors (or something like that giving false alarms) overall great for the price if you aren't in the market for an R7 priced radar.
There is not a never KA false alert this band is just for police and military
Honestly worth the upgrade IMO. Saving you from at least 1 ticket already pays for itself. And the r7 has paid for itself 3x it’s worth
how often are there false alarms? shitty driver here
EXCELLENT video! Not only content…but great editing, too.
First side by side review I've ever seen where the person doesn't run all the detectors at once. Thank you for not causing interference and botching the results!
Watched entire video great content! Glad your back
I love my Max 360. It picks up cops from over 2 miles away and filters out almost every false signal and even points out speeding and red light cameras. I only payed 500 dollars too.
As if they are legal over there😭😭
Just did about 3600 miles in July. Love the peace of mind my R3 provided. Saved me and the caravan a few times.
The CARAVAN what business do you have speeding in your MOM VAN
@@busystuff23yearsago15 u can push any vehicle if u know how to drive buddy
Usually when police are actually trying to nab someone for speed rather than just making people slow down, they're trained to visually identify speeders within 5mph then they activate their radar to confirm the speed. This is why you should never speed alone on the roads. Also when testing it helps to use a more modern radar, that Eagle II you had is nothing compared to the new lasers they use now
Thank God. I just bought the R7 without any real research besides looking up recommended detectors, and I'm happy to see that it was a good choice.
Update?
@@VeinPuppy it has almost definitely gotten me out of at least 3 tickets, so it's already paid for itself. I have gotten caught once, but that's because a cop snuck up on me and paced me before I could tell it was a cop car. The laser detector is almost certainly bs. I have never gotten an alert for it, and even if I did, it would be too late.
Really great video! Making me wanna watch regularly again!
I have been running an R7 for about year maybe 2years and it picked up a highway patrol 2.5miles out on a rolling hill type road. He was turning the unit off an on, traffic was light. I picked my R7 on sale for $340-$345 after tax.
loved the video parker thank you for this!
Excellent informative video! Thank you!
Great vid man. Thank you! Super Informative!
I wish you would have tested the Valentine1 Gen2, I think VortexRadar has a good comparison though. Still good to see, the R7 is pretty solid.
Thanks for this video Parker . Just ordered the uniden!
You deliver yet again. Well done
Im glad the Uniden won, because I literally just got one a month ago lol
Should’ve used the r3 too. Best bang for your buck radar detector out
I have an older V1 and I just disabled it X band an K Band as no police use those bands in my area. Very quiet and it to is sensitive at long ranges. Picks up KA and Laser very well.
I've been wanting a radar detector for so long... thank you for this video 😂 and great execution.
Your insurance company isn’t *wanting* to donate laser and radar equipment to police…they just do it.
So you should take that same eagerness with getting an RD.
@@donkedic1 huh?
@@donkedic1 the hell are you talking about
Get a Uniden R7/ R8
@@sootherelax2802 yes best 600 bucks I ever spent in my life saved me countless times
I run an uniden R7 for my rig. Had it 3 years haven’t got a speeding ticket since has about a mile range as well front and rear. The r8 just came out as well but the r7 works perfectly.
What about laser detection?
@@Earlydoors272 has that as well definitely worth the bucks
Thanks Dude! Just ordered the R7.
Thank you so much for this video presentation.
I’ve been researching radar detectors all day. This is the best put together a video out there. Do you have a actual radar gun for testing. So you can truly see the distance and difference in each one. Great video!
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Did you even watch the video
@@alancarreto2204 sure did. Even bought an R7. Thanks for asking
With all the blind spot monitoring and sensors in newer cars, it's hard to figure out what's a positive and what's not
I’m guessing the patent V1 had on the arrows expired and now all will have radar direction. That R7 looks very similar to the V1. I run the max 360 in all my vehicles and have been very satisfied with it.
Thank you for that video I was just getting ready to pick one up and now I know which one to get. I'm so glad to see you healthy and bringing back great content I was worried for you last year but clearly your back congratulations Parker you deserve it I know it was really hard work to get back.
You had the Whistler set on C instead of P. The P setting is long range and C setting is short range. The second C setting will cut out all of the false alerts. You really need to do it all again.
Well said! Using the Whistler Z11R+ now for about two weeks, works well for me and the expectations I had prior to my $46 purchase, 12/23/23. Have owned MAX3, Cobra 480i, Radenso SP, Radenso DS1, Uniden R3, Uniden r7, and Escort Redline previously.
@@ajh5124 👍
Buy the $50 one, once it saves you from a ticket use that to justify buying the more expensive one 🤣
Thats what i did! I got a cheap one, and the cheap one has saved me a few times, now i want a nice one 😂
@@Nicktheblasian what cheap one did u get and was it super bad w false alarms or no?
@@maxd8487 i have the uniden dfr1. It doesn’t filter out redlight cameras or speed cameras but I mostly use the radar on the highway. In 6 months of use doing speeds id rather not publicize, I haven’t been stopped once and always got a warning on radar a good distance away
@@Nicktheblasian where can I buy one??
@@ethibodeaux7 ebay or amazon
Bought a Uniden R8 a week ago. Took a bit of dialing in to get things configured properly but now it's quiet and very attentive when need be, as it should. R8 is using Uniden's all new detector hardware platform (shared by the R9), including front/rear antennas to provide direction location, Bluetooth, laser & red light camera radar detection, ability to control Uniden laser jammers, can be controlled by remote keypad, etc.
Escort's filtering is so slow on K & KA bands that their high-end detectors are often seconds slower than Uniden's to alert. Also, R8's sensitivity and response times are industry-leading. I pair it with the Highway Radar app on my Android phone for what I feel is an excellent experience.
Do you have any recommendations for the r8 settings to not get any false positives?
This helped me a lot thanks
I have the exact 50 radar in my 14 gt mustang an trust me no need for a expensive radar . Had mines for almost 3 years an I cant drive slow saved me every time
Sweet! I just watch the 2JZ swap but I'm sub'd for this testing! That Uniden is impressive for the $! It also detects signals from behind well huh? Thanks
This is great, very useful!
Waiting on my Uniden R7 to be delivered today for my new Shelby Mustang GT500. Can’t wait. Looks great.
I spent about $420 on Amazon for my Uniden R7. Spent two hours programming it. Very happy. Zero false alarms.
Damn why does it take so long ?
Great info on the radar detectors.
Love my uniden R7. It’s saved me from dozens of speeding tickets. Best bang for the buck coming from the old Valentine 1.
V1 gen2 is a strong contender along with the Max360-C.
But I’m just paraphrasing the Vortex Radar channel.
R7 is fantastic. Waiting to update to the R8.
@@ExAutoAnalyst do you know when it’s coming out?
@@jaxonyoung4145 it’s out
@@donkedic1 I just sold my V1 gen2, replaced with the Uniden R8 (newer R7). The V1 was very good but the lack of GPS is painful, you need to run a phone app to replace lack of GPS. I will say the V1 with JBV1 (Android only free app) is a great combo, but you need to run your phone with the detector which has its downsides.
i use the whistler above this one, and it has saved my ass about a hundred times in half a year. it ran about 90 dollars, and picks up 1-2 miles away on highway mode (i run on city, because theres no use in the 2 lanes out where i live, lol). but on the highway, it is super useful.
I love my Uniden R7!
Hey thanks for the video, awesome👍👍👍need one for my AMG😉
Great video!! Thanks!!
It’s funny to me how he drives a cobra and puts background music in the vid 😂 like no bro we want to hear the engine lmaoo, great vid and beautiful car brotha 🤙🏽
Have been waiting for this video
That’s what I’m talking about, old Parker with useful videos. Keep it coming
Great video! Was this shot on Stunt Rd?
I love my Escort Redline 360c. I just need a laser jammer now.
Where I live (Sweden), Radar detectors are actually illegal, and we also use different radar bands, so I have to buy from abroad, but also be certain that it takes the right bands
Hi!Buy genevo max-very good device!
I need to know. Typing this before even watching the vid I’m 22 and getting a 2020 mustang Gt performance pack 1 and I know I won’t control myself but I’m excited
Just bought my Escort Max 360c, I love it!
That was my first choice, but after watching Vortex, I got the R7 since I do mostly highway/freeway driving.
I have the 360c but I’m thanking of switching to the r7 it has saved me from a lot of tickets already but that extra range is what I want the 360c is really good tho I’ve only gotten one false alarm in the 2years of owning it
@@baldeagles7493 I usually double check for firmware updates if I start getting false alerts.
I will tell you that updating the firmware with the R7 is super easy.
Escort, V1, and Uniden are all good about their firmware.
@@baldeagles7493 is the 360 can detect redlight camera, photo camera, traffic camera, speed camera?
@@gutadin5 yeah and it can also detect the airplanes that the cops use to radar peoples speed
I been using the escort max 360 radar detector which I paid $600 for it.
It does pretty good on detection but I don’t trust using a radar detector period unless I use my scrambler with it.
What good is detecting police radar and laser out there if they are still able to see your speeds🤷🏽♂️
I was driving 90mph in a 60 and state trooper was sitting in the dark when he tried using radar on me coming from behind. As I close to him he turned on his radar and slowed down right behind em and he never moved period.
That’s how a scrambler works. It slows more time to slow down safely without police seeing any speeds at a distance.
I love my uniden R3 and DFR1 only thing is when your doing some pretty decent speed and cops hits you with a LiDAR you're pretty much screwed because the detector will only get it once as soon as the beam hits your vehicle rendering you no time to slow down since you're already clocked.
I’m surprised a Valentine One was not tested. I have a V1 G2 detector. I went into custom settings and deleted X and K bands since police no longer use it. This eliminated safety radar, blind spot monitoring, traffic sign radar. It only alerts on Ka or laser.
Years ago I bought a Passport Escort radar unit. It was an excellent unit until the power supply went out on it. I’ve had several passport owners tell me the same thing. I’ve never used a Uniden R7 model. It would be interesting to test against Valentine One Gen 2.
The real issue is that in Alabama the State Troopers use instant-on feature to detect your speed. It can be really difficult to discern if it’s a false alarm or the real thing. Which is why you need the sensitivity and the distance to pick this signal up.
What do you mean they don't use K bands anymore? He got hit with one in the video lol
K is still used. But Ka is the main police radar band.
Exactly how an alabama state trooper got me and the messed up part Is mine didn't warn me till after I passed him going the other way
Awesome video bro
Where’s the Valentine one?? I’ve been running V1’s for about 15yrs. In every vehicle I own. (With updated models ) They work so well I’ve never felt the need to switch. They also have the adapter that pulls power from the OBD2 , concealed display and speed limit set point noise canceling feature. I’ve always thought about trying out the passport though…
If you want to test yours go to one of those radar detectors near you that shows you your speed so you don’t have to worry about finding a cop and going by multiple times to check different modes
I would have loved to see the Valentine One on here too. Haha.
I have a whistler and been putting my faith in it for a year now, 100mph+ havnt gotten snagged.. *yet* but it detects and goes off for everything, safety features on cars trigger X and K constantly on highway, including those big orange road work signs. Driving in the city.. even with city mode door alarms you name it everything triggers it. BUT its never failed me telling me about a cop.
How ever, coma, it'd false alarms also saved me a couple times. I'd be speeding and in the middle of no were no lights no cars ill get a X or k band and I slow down being suspicious there's a town cop parked not using Ka waiting to see someone come by. So it leaves me trying to guess which X bands to listen too and which to ignore
Lol
@@starcraftgod1212123 Hey just letting you know I've been running an Escort Redline for close to a year now and many people don't know that X-Bands are not actual seen in use anymore. If you have the ability I would suggest disabling that specific band. There are also many great guides about which K bands to disable since some of them aren't used by cops and creating more falses.
@@ryanstricklin198 I don't think mine is fancy enough to do all that. Been planning to upgrade anyway. Also I get cops may not use X band but some technology in their car must, as my second reply states.. I got an xband in the middle of no where slowed down and there was a local police parked under a bridge that wasn't running ka or laser and I'm assuming he was just using his eyes cause I approached at about 25 over when It triggered and ofc I slammed on my breaks like 3 seconds before he was in view.
@@ryanstricklin198 so idk if his car had lane watch or some fancy driving package with bells and whistles or what but somthing in his car triggered it thankfully it did or he would of seen me deff going above the speed limit. And like I said nothing else triggered so that makes me too scared to not use it.
Rocky Mountain radar scrambler works excellent 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Ok no my reason why i choose to use a screen all these years is because a scrambler makes your car a ghost and it doesn’t give any warning to police whether your using any such device because a scrambler allows police to see what they’re already used to seeing which is a mirror image reflection
my first detector was the whistler z11r the same one used here it worked great i noticed he had it in city mode my experience is a picked it up ALOT sooner in highway mode
Also whistler does make higher end detectors equivilent to the uniden r3
Exactly should have read P for highway
@@F0XX7 oh man the good ole "P"
The Passport Max 360 has GPS learning. This is hands down the best feature not talked about in this video.
i want to put some input in. i have a uniden r3 i jumped from a whistler like that one but slightly more expensive i think the 19? regardless... the range is crazy thats what made me want to get a uniden and the r3 and r7 both have so many videos of the radars getting off crazy distances away from a cop.. BUT the huge down side is the mf goes off pretty often not annoyingly often as the whistler (being false triggers) and also never too late like the whistler and dont get me wrong my whistler definitely saved me from a few tickets but there was a couple times where i was ina grey area going 5 to 7 over and thr radar went off right when i was in visible range of this cop shooting radar. maybe i had got lucky w my speed or he left his radar on idk.. but those instances made me upgrade to uniden and like i was saying it goes off often. and its becuase the range is tht good. but sometimes ill be like damn i coulda kept pushing it for a while or itll pick up a cop on a whole couple streets over from where im even at lol. so the down side is basically range performs too good lol.
Couldn't help but notice that you ignored the Escort Redline which is often hailed as the King of the radar detectors. I've been running it for close to a year now, and the falses are often rare to come by. The range is also farther than the R7 though I don't know how people feel about the price tag $$$.
Glad to see you sobered up bro
Good test in real world conditions. What were the settings for each detector? Was each detector operating in the same mode to maximize sensitivity? Highway mode for instance. Was this then adjusted for city driving?
Facts we have no clue bruh
Great video 😊
I have Uniden R3 it is great used it on road trip I was really impressed with it a state trooper was right in front of me in unmarked car he turned on his radar I’m trying to see what location he was until he turned on his lights he caught a car just passing me and him Speeding fantastic Uniden the range on R3 is awesome but I notice I want Arrows to know directions of radar I’m going with R7 next R8
Coppin da R7 most def
The max 360 was attached to the window on the right side of the car.... could this explain why it took longer to detect the signal coming around the corner (as the left side of the vehicle would've been "closest" to the beam)
Solid video!
I didn't even recognize you parker. Looking good homie!
Uniden R3 $300 and has saved my ass numerous times.
The R7 has saved me more times than I can count in my gt500. Hope you're running AL Priority as well.
What is AL Priority?
@@StochasticWolf laser jammer
If your in California you don't need any of that crazy filtering that leads to buying an escort 360. They are good but not the longest range which is important as LEOS will play tag with I/O. So R1, R3, or arrows R7, V1 gen 2, turn K-band off no need for that headache
Would've been curious to see a valentine one compared here as well
Me too. I haven't had a detector I'm a decade, but I miss having one. I have used Valentine's since the Mid 90s, but I am curious of how it compares nowadays.
As previously mentioned, this test was solid. But for more technical testing the Vortex channel has that in buckets. Breaking down range by frequency for the top detectors.
@@craigwalters1573 thanks for the recommendation
my z11 picks up cops from about 1000 feet away on a straight stretch of road, about 500 on a curve, and in city mode rarely gets false positives. thing’s a lifesaver.
Did u update the Uniden? I have that R7 love it.
Glad I found this video. I used to be a LEO and used to run radar all the time so i know all the tricks and how and where police may be sitting ect. I have never had a speeding ticket and i turn 40 this year. My wife though has a heavy foot. I used to have to get her out of tickets back when i was a LEO. We're about to go on vacation and I never let her drive bc I'm always afraid she is going to be speeding. I gotta go pick up one of the Uniden unit's today. Just for peace of mind. I honestly don't speed. My wife on the other hand speeds on purpose and doesn't care. Smh. Great video. Thks for comparison
I use the escort max 360
Which works great. I paid $600 for it all because it offers more features.
Radar detectors are totally useless against police laser out there and it’s useless trying to slow down if the officer clocks you up close either front and rears.
A smart policeman would wait until your near him around 500ft away then turn his radar on you at last minute which offers no chance of hitting the brakes. But the max 360 will let you no if there’s a speed trap around which keeps you more aware of police
How does it let you know?
@@Anon.G
A scrambler does not show the officer anything other then what they’re always used to seeing which is a mirror image reflection meaning what police sees when running radar is what’s they always used to seeing
That’s what people don’t understand how does it work and why is it that it only work on police but nothing else.
That’s because there’s a computer which is connected to systems 🚔
Laser same!!
@@Anon.G it doesn’t really matter how long you’ve been a police officer running Traffic out there you’ll never know that anyone is using a device like this period because what you see is nothing but a mirror or what you’re used to seeing🤷🏽♂️
A scrambler was only designed to allow more time to slow down not completely jam police LiDAR and radar up period
@@Anon.G
Let’s say running 80mph in a 65 zone
And a police sits on the highways monitoring traffic by observing without using his radar ok.
Most police would do is wait until you’re right up on then like around 700 to 500ft away then turn their radar unit on to clock your speeds. Now do you see why radar detectors are pretty much useless unless you’re speeding behind someone to keep you more safe.
With a scrambler you don’t need anyone because you’re protecting everyone including yourself on radar🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
@@Anon.G I a scrambler is very powerful device. What I did is that I just used one of my older model radar detector and scrambler and turned off all its features except for the scrambler itself is only activated which is what you see in photo. So the scrambler is armed which protects the front only.
There’s a scrambler device in rear as well which provides protection from back
Wanna install something like this as well into my car 🔥🔥
I have used a lot of radars and been with a lot of people in the street racing scene and the best radar I have found is the Valentine 1
Great video
I have a Uniden r8 extreme. It’s literally the best.
The whistler normally picks up read light cameras I had it
You have to test all 5 different bands of KA band. Each signal is different.
I'd be interested in knowing the setting you had on the escort
i will add, the max 360 does have the arrows which matters on highways
How do they handle false Ka? Some cars now use Ka for collision avoidance and Auto-Braking.
Can u compare the valentine one cop radar versus the uniden cop radar.
Great video..
The problem is that instant on. When I first started driving I heard about radar detectors and If I had one I was told you can drive as fast as you want and never be caught.
Well going off that and I suppose the person was telling the truth (radar always stayed on in the early days, you could always detect).
So with that I went and bought the cheapest one I could get. I think I paid like 50 for it.
Drove everywhere for like a week at varying speeds testing it out and it seemed to work well alerting me pretty reliably, until one night in the middle of winter.
I met a trooper head on 70/55.
Didn't even see it coming as the detector displayed green. Soon as he passed by the detector goes screaming 5 red lights and immediately within like a second goes back to green.
He turns around and ends up writing me a ticket. He walked up and said I see you have a radar detector, how's that working out for you? Told me to get out of the car patted me down and let me sit with him in the passenger seat while he wrote the ticket since it was like 20 degrees out.
He was nice and polite about it and explained what the instant on was and its designed to defeat radar. He even shown me how it worked by saying look toward your car radar and watch this. He had some kind of switch that had a RF hold and clicked it on and off. The detector went on and off just as before.
He also said if the speed wasn't to high he would issue a warning but since it was 15 over he couldnt.
Wrote cooperative on the notes and said when you show up o court don't mention the radar detector at all they hate when people have them.
Your first ticket they usually dismiss.
Day of court I just simply walked up to the DA and said it's my first ticket. He was well, since you have a clean record other than this, did you learn your lesson? He then ripped the ticket and copy and threw it away and said have a nice day.
Until they can figure out how to beat instant on, radar detectors to me aren't really helpful...especially if you are the only car on the road as this was the case.
They did figure it out, modern detectors detect radar detector detectors. I know how silly that sounds lol
i think the real edge is Uniden r7 and models up will detect in Redflex camera vans with very low hard to detect beam. even uniden r3 doesnt detect them in nz.