Your fatwa does not apply here | Karima Bennoune | TEDxExeter
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- This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences. One day, Karima Bennoune found herself wondering whether she could protect her father with a paring knife. She tells the stories of individual Muslims struggling against fundamentalism and terrorism.
Karima Bennoune is a professor of international law at the University of California--Davis School of Law. She grew up in Algeria and the United States and now lives in northern California.
She has published widely in many leading academic journals, as well as in the Guardian, The New York Times, Comment is Free, the website of Al Jazeera English, The Nation. The topic of her most recent publication 'Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here' is a very personal one for her. Her father Mahfoud Bennoune was an outspoken professor at the University of Algiers, and faced death threats during the 1990s, but continued speaking out against fundamentalism and terrorism. In writing this book, Karima set out to meet people who are today doing what her father did back then, to try to garner for them greater international support than Algerian democrats received during the 1990s.
She has served as a member of the Executive Council of the American Society of International Law and on the board of directors of Amnesty International USA. Currently, she sits on the Board of the Network of Women Living Under Muslim Laws. She has also been a consultant on human rights issues for the International Council on Human Rights Policy, the Soros Foundation, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers, and for the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). Her human rights field missions have included Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Fiji, Lebanon, Pakistan, South Korea, southern Thailand, and Tunisia.
She traveled to Algeria in February 2011 to serve as an observer at pro-democracy protests with the support of the Urgent Action Fund for Women's Human Rights, writing a series of articles about these events for the Guardian. In October 2011, she volunteered as an election observer during the Tunisian constituent assembly elections with Gender Concerns International.
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Her dad was a real man. It was his job to prevent fundamentalism from ruining his daughter's life and he succeeded.
Why didn't CNN report on the situation at that theater in Lahore? Oh, that's right... it's because they're awful at their job.
Every once in a rare while outlets like CNN might cover something but *only* if it happens to suite a specific purpose, goal or agenda. If it doesn't, ya, CNN just ignores it. (A lot of large media outlets, now days, simply try to misinform you into their twist of reality.)
Political correctness is what is doing enormous amounts of damage in the west. When media outlets vilify & figuratively assassinate the reputations of anyone who disagrees with the current PC narrative... then a lot of people stay in the dark concerning dangerous issues.
Watch the movie... Political Correctness KILLS: How the Dutch Left murdered a Politician.
Islamic terrorist attacks happen almost everyday around the world. (Usually more than one a day). See TheReligionofPeace. com But you will almost never hear any of it. If you did it would be a steady never ending stream.
CNN does not care about the plight of Christians in Pakistan and elsewhere. For this media outlet it is not that important
I was in the special forces of Algeria during that I understand it was truly horrific time for my beloved country I cheated death countless times i and saw my family slaughtered in front of me my son before they cut his through the axe in my 9 months pregnant wife's head it was a time when you wouldn't care anymore. I thank God that little daughter is alive she's a doctor I love her and I will protect her against anything
Ali 1
I am so sorry that this happened to you and your family, and so happy that your daughter could get the chance to move forward.
Algeria is a terrorist state who created and support polisario against our Major no nato ally Kingdom of Morocco.
wolf Blitz I truly sorry for your loss and I wish you and your family the best. Keep pushing. Peace and love to all.
This is terrible beyond belief. This should never happen anywhere. So very sorry to hear this. May you find the strength to go forward. God Bless
God bless you Karima...200% support from India.
Thugs hiding behind a religion/badge/nation, etc.
No, they are practicing the teaching, how else one is fully a committed believer? That's why the moderates are in risk of losing their lives if they speak up and also the moderates know what the teaching is about so they keep their mouths shut. It is the West who does not understand the dilemma, they, themselves, are completely aware of the whole problem.
@@savedbygrace1991 Moderates are doing the teaching, just like any other religion. Extremists are doing the radicalization and misinformation, just like all extremist movements, religious or not.
Anyone can start believing, and find reasons to believe harder and deeper, whether they're personnal or taught by someone else doesn't matter. Acceptation of one's differences and refusing to commit crimes against humanity is like the common root to all religions. The issue comes when people find interpretations to satisfy their ego and manipulate the people for their purpose rather than taking the book literally and actually helping people regardless of who, where and what they are, including yourself, to find a way to live peacefully with our surroundings, whether you look at the people in your community or humanity as a whole.
@@savedbygrace1991 You hit the nail on the head. Correct. I heard that a fundamentalist is a person who follows these teachings to the letter, without questioning or criticising it.
Maybe there are still many followers of the Koran that would think it was terrorism and crazy if Donald Trump has publicly said kill those who have never voted the most merciful Donald Trump but maybe there are still many followers of the Koran that would think it was not terrorism and not crazy for many followers of the Koran to always agree totally about the chapter ninth verse fifth of the Koran and chapter ninth verse sixth of the Koran that have been publicly written about an order to kill any polytheist who has believed that there is more than one god or many gods except for those who do not know but maybe any logician would logically think that all people was not meant to be born in order to be punished or punisher because people would never do any wrong thinking or any wrong saying or any wrong doing as long as people still know that wrong is wrong so that is why there is no death penalty in Norway and Portugal including many other countries and drug is not crime in Portugal.
@@savedbygrace1991 Maybe there are still many followers of the Koran that would think it was terrorism and crazy if Donald Trump has publicly said kill those who have never voted the most merciful Donald Trump but maybe there are still many followers of the Koran that would think it was not terrorism and not crazy for many followers of the Koran to always agree totally about the chapter ninth verse fifth of the Koran and chapter ninth verse sixth of the Koran that have been publicly written about an order to kill any polytheist who has believed that there is more than one god or many gods except for those who do not know but maybe any logician would logically think that all people was not meant to be born in order to be punished or punisher because people would never do any wrong thinking or any wrong saying or any wrong doing as long as people still know that wrong is wrong so that is why there is no death penalty in Norway and Portugal including many other countries and drug is not crime in Portugal.
Truly inspirational.
Friends, let us be with our Muslim brethren and support them throughout their hardships they face in their lives.
@Rimadim dim What muslims are you referring to lol
@Rimadim dim just read the previous comments I'm sure you'll find it
@Rimadim dim two wrongs don't make a right
@@fatimaghailan6728 The crusades were the middle chapter of Islamic expansion that resulted in control of what today is the Middle East and North Africa, the destruction of the Christian Classical society (Byzantine Empire), the invasion of Eastern Europe up to the gates of Vienna and the Invasion of Spain. No matter how you cut it, Islam was spread on the point of a spear. From day one, it was not based or expanded through any pretense of peace or a better way of doing things. Peace occurred when all opposition had been eliminated and the local war lord was in total control (until someone bumped him off in due course) Today, when we see ISIS or Al Shebab, we see exactly what people of those eras were confronted with because both these entities practice ISLAM circa the 9th through 10th centuries.
@@lazywhale7364 there were strict rules for war in religion (and not that every religious person defiantly followed it) yet those extremists do whatever. You think many people in Europe simply accepted Mediavel Christianity considering it was stricter than Islam at that time? Many Jews went to live in Muslim societies due to the Crusades. Even many Jewish people will tell you that .
Thank you for sharing these stories of hope and courage. we are struggling and hopefully one day peace will come to our lands.
As long as we have people who literally believe they know the real God,what he wants, and what awaits them in the afterlife, we will keep struggling. Christianity had its dark ages before secularism took over. Islam is still having its dark ages apparently.
Thank you our sisters from everywhere around our lovely planet, I am so honored to hear your stories and bless you all with Grace and Love!
Any one who does their homework knows exactly what kind of religion it is, and how these terrorist groups just use its name to justify their means and reach their ultimate goal, full control, doesn't matter what religion, race, period of time, country, religion, history ALWAYS repeats itself. i don't stand for anything except humanity.
@Jannine Anderson all people say that about the religion they follow
@Danny B maybe we should stand for earthlings instead
@Jannine Anderson Why dont you tell that to all those folks who "misunderstand islam" and are using violence, terror, degradation to spread the word instead of lecturing us? YOU are the problem - you do not criticize the radicals, you criticize those who criticize radicals.
Jannine Anderson then publicly tell these “misinterpreting” folks to stop killing homosexuals and atheists. Peace
The events precipitated by the death of Mohammed say a lot about the basis of the religion and the fact that the Sunni Shiite divide still exists says a lot about the religion since then.
I appreciated her speech but can't help feeling she is addressing the wrong audience.
If I take 3 steps back and look at the problem on the whole, I would sum up the problem this way - one of the world's major religion is having a problem dealing with small group of its believers. Those believers choose to interpret the teachings of the religion in an extreme way and inflict violence on both their own kind as well as non-believers. On one hand, the majority of believers are peace-loving and non-violent, but on the other hand, the extremists are carrying out attacks in the name of their god.
Because of that, non-believers around the world can't help equating the religion with fundamentalism and violence even though the numbers are not representative of the true majority. With every attack that happens, more and more non-believers are being openly critical of the religion. This in turns infuriates the moderate believers who then turn to defend the beliefs of their religion.
Just like 2 cars speeding toward each other, a head-on collision is imminent unless we do something wise right now.
Here's what I think is the only solution possible: Only Moderate Muslims have the power to put the extremists in its rightful place. They need to come together and have one strong, collective voice to condemn acts of terror. They need to take back the control of the religion from those religious leaders and scholars who promote fundamentalist thinking. They need to question and oppose those sharia laws which are violent/unreasonable and make a stand on how it should be interpreted. They need to openly promote the education of Muslim women (and men!) because only education can help lift a person out of ignorance and reactive behaviors.
This war cannot be won by any non-Muslim army or country because they would only be seen as the enemy (even by moderate Muslims). So if the problem started within a family, only the family members can solve the problem successfully, and not any "outsider" however right they think they might be.
Agreed, but the kicker seems to be, the moderate and lite Muslims do nothing. You see no rallies through the streets of Mecca, no demonstrations outside of extremist mosques, no one standing up for their voices. I wonder why that is? For the rest of the world, I feel like we think one of two things...a) all Muslims secretly agree with the extremists or b) they are afraid.
@@Temptresstoo They do fight....u just don't see it......haven't you listened to a word she said? They are constantly killed for it....by the thousands!!! And guess who perpetuates those killings?.....trust me, you don't need to look far.....
U r right that only the family members can extinguish the problem....but your choice of words reflect the fact that you're only regurgitating Western knowledge....or rather mis-knowledge of the Eastern Islamic communities....which is sad...b/c guessing from your name....u must be Chinese/Taiwanese/South East Asian descent....tell me....how're the Muslims treated in those countries your parents came from? Let me tell you a secret....all of the East were largely of a Muslim population up until the mid-1900s when fundamentalists arose in those countries and committed massive genocide on those that didn't accept their view points --and they're still doing it to Muslims today. These fundamentalists, and all fundamentalists (all over the world), are nothing but mercenaries recruited by a political party to endorse their twisted agendas. Hence, terminologies such as Islamists, Modern/ate Muslims , religious fundamental Muslims....are all nonsensical terms created by those to perpetuate one thought: thst underneath it all, there is one common problem : Islam. Which is what they want u to think. And reading these comments, as well as yours, I can see they have succeeded.
nice
Woo Chin Lam Fine words! Religions are strong because they are needed. That is why humans invented them. Corrupt leaders are not likely to soften their stance because they have too much to lose(including their heads). So the status quo goes on and on. It's very much like someone addicted to alcohol - first step to recovery is admitting that they have a problem. Until that happens - no change.
i am from Pakistan and by the help of God pak army has took down tehrik e taliban pakistan almost completely by now, now we fell much safer then few years before alhamdulliallah
Shakir Rehman shukr alhamdulillah. Assamu alaikum bhai saab
@@notpreparedatall1524 walaikum salam
Pak army had created Muzzahideen, Taliban, and terrorists in Kashmir, Ben laden used to live within 100 meters of the Pak army cantonment in Abbotabad.
I'm so glad I listened to this, because forgive me God, I was getting very bitter and did not look at the entire picture not realizing that the greatest enemy of the Jihadist are the moderate Muslim people who do not adhere to their fanatical ways, and they have suffered greatly.
You'll be happier without Islam, trust me.
I totally agree with you.
taiqqya
Rockie r
sweetpeachsodapop...what a BS? Fundamentalists DO NOT follow Quran at all! Don't you dare lying and saying that God promotes killing you uneducated beast! Go read Quran again and see what it actually teaches and you will see that you got brainwashed as well!
And yes, DO NOT read Quran with tafseer! Or you will be lost and astray!
Thank you, this has been very eye opening. I send love and encouragement to all who seek freedom, peace and acceptance.
One of the best speeches I have heard on TED. Thank You, dear Karima, for sharing this stories with all of us.
Finally someone who represents normal Muslims
Vlad Mah I go to a 80% Muslim university in a 60% Muslim city. What I see every day are intelligent girls in head scarfs that hold their own in discussions but when it comes to discussing Islam their arguments fall apart. I have had some even agree that what they believe in is illogical and suppressive and yet they risk their families disowning them and so they go back home, numb their brains and carry on. This is not the 'average' Muslim I see. The ones I see are horrifically suppressed and manipulated. Such bright minds, such waste.
**edit: I was told this but I have reason to believe I'm actually wrong. It's more around 15% city population (Manchester)
80% Muslim university, in 60% Muslim city. WHich University do you go to?
AK Smith Manchester and sorry to clarify I'm talking about the school of pharmacy within the university specifically. But that's still around 1000 students. It's like spot the non Muslim.
Thanks, that clarifies it, but Muslim population of Manchester is only 15.8% according to 2011 census. Hence why I wassurprised as to what city has 60% Muslim population.
AK Smith it's one's of the cities with one of the highest Muslim populations and it's increased drastically in the past few years. Birmingham is also supposed to be pretty high but I don't know. I'm actually Indian and I can't find another Indian in my course which is crazy because we are always found in either maths or science courses. I might have quoted what I was told before but I do know just by living here there is a huge population and an increasing amount of halal businesses as a result. I think it's nice and don't care either way but I do care about my female associates. I'm not liking what I see at all. Arranged marriages at 19 before they have even completed their studies, being forced to cover their head evidenced by the fact that many actually take them off when they get to school. I've witnessed around 6 assaults verbal and physical including being spat at just for walking along side them and a girl punched for wearing a scarf. To top it all off they admit to me that they don't even want any of this but as it's a cultural thing they risk losing their entire support systems. I think it's very easy to point the finger unless you've actually lived not just near but with them. As I have dark skin I often get mistaken as Muslim too so I supposed I have an insight into both worlds. All I'm trying to say is this woman up there is really not the reality I am seeing every single day.
Thank you Karima Bennoune. This is so important for all.
One of the best TED talk ever!
Thank you miss
"Fundamental" Islam - a truly dangerous phenomenon if you get on their wrong side.
Alrukitaf The way I see it, Islam deprives its followers from any sense of self other than what is dictated to them from a book. This adversely affects young men in particular who will follow any direction to assert themselves. It is a way of dealing with their feelings of loss of what could have been their identity. Not a happy place to be. l
thanks for your hate, keep it up educated person.
Based on your attitude, it appears to me you like judge an entire group of people, without ever having interacted with them on a personal level.
That's also not a happy place to be
AR K got news for you my friend, I was born in a muslim family, and have observed first hand the radicalisation of young men around me, who have paid the price with their lives.
AR K might be referring to Linda's reply.
Kirtana Vottery it wasn’t addressed to her.
Everyone says something on it, so here my words for the topic.
The thing which is wrong is not the religion itself. It is the people who think they know the religion. It is either the extremists or the non-muslim people. For me these two groups are the same.
Rei Swan 👏🏼
You are delusional. When Mohammend started his religion (if he even ever lived as there s no historical proof of him living) he was accomodating to other religions. As his warlording was getting succesful he was not accomondating to other religions and you were kiled if you were not a Muslim unless you were willing to pay a special tax as payment for your proftection by the Muslim Community. No different than the Mafia coming to your store telling you to pay for protection. JUST AN IDIOTIC RELIGION. iMAGINE A RELIGOIN OF GOD TELLING YOU that if you leave you should be killed. That is no religion of love and peace.
@@practice11111 Sorry you're the delusional one.
It's called paying tax so that the state can look after your civil needs - paid by all members in the state. Do you pay tax or are a free loading tax dodger?
Again nowhere does it mention in the Quran that you will get killed for leaving the religion. Leaving the state and confiding with the enemy is what I think you have interpreted it as... In other treachery is not tolerated in Islam... Name a state anywhere that'll permit treachery without any recompense. Can you?
@@practice11111 Seriously delusional if you think that Prophet Muhammad never existed.. which reference do have for that?
I'm so sick of people criticizing religious fundies with "That's not Christianity; Judaism; Islam." That's just the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. Fundie Muslims _are_ acting in accordance with koranic teachings.
Great, gracious and True speech !! Thank you Karima Bennoune
Brave lady. Speaking up and challenging these violent elements.
Did the lady read the Sira? All the negative behaviours mentioned are given full permission there. Islam is the Koran , the Hadith and the Sira(the life of mohammed). Still we need more like her.
Fundamentalism comes from the fundamentals of the religion. Lets not sugar coat it. Really enjoyed the talk. We need more people like her.
Well stated. However, she is in England because they will kill her in Algeria. Even with that, she still needs to 'look over her shoulder' in England. So, as much as it is wonderful to see Muslims stand up against tyranny, they are largely silent in the face of mass murder and torture.
One can never be silent in those situations, which describes the government of 90% of Arab nations. There is not one with freedom of religion (Can a Christian practice his/her religion in Saudi Arabia? Can they enter Mecca?)
Jesse Priest actually no! it comes from the fundamentals for cultures and fetwas(opinions) of the radical scholars who fond sects and brain wash the ignorant Muslims to think that those violent views is the religion ..which is not!
she won't be killed in Algeria -_- she will talk as much as she wants now because no one will listen anyway .
Serina Sweeta
Radical islamic terrorism is a fact ,world has seen many terrorist attacks past years 2015,2016,2017
Saudi Arabia is the Vatican of Islam. No sane Muslim would ask to build a Mosque in the Vatican.
We are 1.8 billion people - Why is everyone judging an entire religion based off of the actions of few?
So.. did you just assume everyone is judging now while there's not even half the population on Earth do so? Ha.
that would be a compelling argument if extremists and "moderate" muslims did not use the same book...
FromFame They're much more than "a few"
Nitte Cera even 100000 is a few relative to 1.8 billion
Because that few is 25% of 1.8 Billion. That is too many.
We dont want science to florish in our own country but want our culture to be accepted by them.
You need to be more specific I'm that comment Yunus !!!
@@hadandawiya7776 Why do we muslims need to go to a country if we beleive that islamic rules and regulations are the most optimal set of policies for a nation? why do we go there and ask them to change for our comfort? if you beleive in sharia then we should stay where we are.
We have so much to change, the ways we talk, the ways we express our self, the ways we live our life with religious beliefs, it can't happen due to old mentality and old ways of doing things.
We're in the 2100 century, so much time as been passing by with hardly any change in mentality due to the religions mind constraint, but we live in a time of much changes due to science and technology, but 90% of us still thinks and belive and want us to live with ancient rules?
Louis Barbisan 21st century
Only some Muslims not 90%
The more you demonize the religion of islam the more people get interest in it, and the more people find out about the religion the more they know more about people who hated it.
The more you reveal the truth the more honest good people you find and they are not muslims with their ears and eyes closed permanently!
Morons follow demonized excuses for religion. Do you want to be a moron?
@@vervoid73 that's ridiculous. People's goodness depends on their actions, intentions and the content of their character. Religion really doesn't do much in that equation. It's sort of like a rake, you decide whether you're gonna use it to rake leaves or something a little less peaceful
All that have only one source - the ridiculous teachings of the koran that 99.99 of mohammedans do not ever read or understsnd.
There's no need to demonize or vilify Islam. The more you learn about it, the more it discredits & vilifies itself.
I think in the definition of fundamentalisms we shouldn't exclude the left-wing extremists who also won't tolerate any other opinions than their own deep-rooted ideology and often have - when their ideology became the state's maxim - decimated populations and persecuted dissidents. This should not be ignored.
Yes that ideology is a problem the world over
Communism and Fascism are two sides of the same extremist coin. Both are very shiny when newly minted but if you look around the edge, there is just a piece of cheap base metal between them.
This woman represents more than 80 percent 💓of muslims
That means there are 360 million muslims that she does not represent. That's a big number, and a terrifying prospect.
She represent humanity
@@rocmistro lol
One side doesn't want the west pushing western values on their countries and blames the west for meddling, the other side, who Karima Bennoune says she represents, blames the west for not meddling in foreign countries. Apparently the west can't do anything right. And we are critical of our own governments in the west. I say we have no business imposing western values in foreign countries, and eastern countries and their religions have no business imposing their values on us. I disagree with this lady. And she should stop blaming the west and the international community. The west must solve their problems as other countries, must solve theirs.
Jennine. I agree. It is time all countries solve their own problems without any aid or finance from the West.
unfortunately, its much too late for that.
If your house is broken up, it's better to leave the house than staying in it and try to convince people how great it was long time ago, it will not matter today. And it will certainly not help repair the damaged parts of your broken house..
No its better to fix it!
Exactly.
The small number of extremists... only 10% of 1.5 billion is 100 million. Still think it’s small?
Very real danger
Oh dear 🤪!
She spoke all my heart words, thank you ❤️
My experience in the study of Islam for some six years now, is that the more pious a muslim becomes in the understanding of the Quran, the more "radical" they become. The slide that this woman used to demonstrate the violation of human rights by fundamentalists is not a radical belief that we need to be concerned with, but the teachings of the Quran itself. As long as these actions are taught as a requirement to be a good muslim in their most holy book, there will be no conversion of the radical muslim. This is an islam problem, not a fundamentalist issue.
I would be interested in where you are studying exactly, because what you are claiming is not Islam.
@@clairemitchell4476 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them. Quran 4:34 translation by Muhammad Taqi Usmani
@@Smithpolly the translation you are using her for the Arabic phrase "wadribuhunna" is "beat her". This is inadequate and in correct. Arabic is very rich and there is no equivalent word here. Most scholars translate as "strike them" or strike them lightly. When the famous and well respected scholar was asked about this verse he equated the strike that "of a miswak" which is the twig from a tree traditionally used as a toothbrush.
You cannot take a single verse of the quran and use it to twist the whole book and its religion. The quran must be read as a whole and togethor with its historical implications. Some verses refer to specific incidents. And of course the hadith go hand in hand and offer valuable understanding of the verses. This verse is advice in dealing with serious marital conflict in an effort to prevent divorce and must be followed in the steps given. The strike is a warning that the next step is divorce. Women have the right to take similar steps with husbands and severe problems.
"And due to the wives is similar to what is expected of them, according to what is reasonable. But the men have a degree over them." The degree here is a mans financial responsibility to his wife and family.(4:34)
The prophet Mohammed never hit anybody his wives and he is the best example to interpret the quran.
"Best among you is the one who is best to his wife, and I am the best among you in my dealings with my wives."
When asked about the rights of a wife the prophet Mohammed(saws)replied
"Give her food when you take food, clothe her when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face and do not beat her"
@@clairemitchell4476 So Muhammad Taqi Usmani is an incompetent translator?
@@Smithpolly I think the main problem is the English language doesnt have the correct word. Then you have to go back to the explanation of verse. Ibn Abbasbis a far more superior source. The translator you have quoted is Pakistani, so a native speaker is probably going to have a better understanding and experience with the language.
You're a brave woman really! The World should come together and fight extremism totally.
this is the first muslim lady ever spoken out to the fundamentals of Islam
no.
Such an orator. So densely packed speech.
This was a very good talk.
Epic speech
taqiyya
hellokutty54 have you any idea what does taqyyia means?
or u r just another brain washed western sheep?
precautionary dissimulation = Lying to further your agenda. Us western sheep know your BS. We've read the religious texts. We've studied the history. You should check out that Pew poll on middle eastern attitudes towards politics and society- scary stuff.
no muslims will follow human made concepts and laws! if you want a safe space then so be it, we will not accept your behavior and shady tactics in order to forcefully shame and force muslims away from their lands and religion! there are only moderate muslims, but do not mix that up with democratic pagan muslims, who follow human made realites and laws!!
@@hamzayounis4085 all anyone is asking for is freedom from violence. Muslims believe in the book of Genesis. God sent the flood because the thoughts of men were about violence continually. Love is a weapon against violence. Love your enemies ,said Isa.
This woman is incredible...she's a women's studies graduate who actually has a brain.
The problem is not fundamentalist Islam, it is the fundamentals of Islam.
Why are Muslims are so disliked by non Muslims? You hardly find any outside the circle like or agree with them .
That's not true from my experience
Surat 8:12 in the Quran desmans decapitation followed by choking of the fingertips.Thqt is not inherently violent, as apparently there is a nonviolent decapitation.Somehow....
@Amandeep Wahi your understanding is lacking - just accept it
@Human Lives Matter!
This is a specific reference to the Battle of Badr - not a generic free for all. You read it out of context, and knew that was wrong. Somehow....
Bonjour! As a non islamic man or women what should be our attitude toward islamic? I mean should we have the attitude of '' Let it be '' in regard of islamic women or young one being emprison in her room because she refuse to go along with an ''arrange wedding'', what should our attitude or action be when women are getting beaten by her father, or even brother because she is a women?
Forced marriage aren't allowed, and arranged marriage is part of many cultures and amongst non Muslims too. Not everything Muslims do is Islamic and same with Christians, Jews etc. And not all Muslims have the same cultural background
Then a person's human rights would be violated. Of course you should speak up against such things, don't let them be. Don't let such people tell you that Islam or any religion teaches such things, that is wrong.
How about this. Don't take anyone's word for anything. Read the Koran for yourself. Then you will know whether it has anything to do with all this extreme violence.
@Anotheryou21 Absolutely! I have a Quiran in my home, have thoroughly read it. It's a real eye-opener when you read for yourself what it actually says, rather than accept what Muslims tell you it says!
@@shirleypena4133 Amazing. Brava! I found it wretchedly tedious but as you say an eye-opener nonetheless. For further adventures may I suggest delving into the biography of Mr. Mohamed?
@@shirleypena4133 you can also read the Bible and the Talmud- what translation did you read?
@Jp Ira Well then, now you know. But the violence and hate come from i.e. are expressions of ignorance, of which the Koran is also an expression. IMO. If there were no Koran, the same ignorance would just express itself in some other form.
Islam is not the bad religion, its a small minority in it. I appreciate her speech but not all muslims are like that. I think we should stand for any human being. There are muslims, Christian, jews and many other people being attacked. We should tackle this as a problem not a small bit of it.
Thanks you for your brilliant talk
Where the Algerians at?!!! 123....viva l'algerie :)
hahaha
I salute you brave lady
When will the quiet men do what’s required of them to change these atrocities through diplomacy.?
Wake Up friend ! How can you talk to people who want nothing less than that the whole world submits to lslam ?
@@davidsexton6604 You can talk to anyone about anything, unless they're radicalized in some way. And that's exacly what you seem to be, so wake up friend. Find some time to talk with muslims, even imams, and realize that extremists are not muslims. And for the exact same reasons that members of the KKK are not considered christians, despite what they say about themselves.
Maybe spend less time on the TV and more with actual human beings, especially the ones you never spend time with. Just maybe then will you understand how deeply asleep you are really.
@@GreyPunkWolf comment for you P.S. l know all about the grey wolves
@@davidsexton6604 Well done, well done. I somehow forgot trolls were a thing on the internet, thanks for the reminder.
Utmost respect to u ...God protect her
listen to these words people of this planet that you will never achieve peace and non violence between each others until you learn to respect and care to all life and I mean all life from plant to animal life
Exactly..Well said.!!!
Where were these voices of reason at the height of the atrocities? The battles that are ongoing currently, can be compared to the savagery of the Middle Ages in Europe. Education is the only way to resolve these things.
A fatwa applies anywhere that followers of the Imam who gave the fatwa decree in violence. The question is whether or not the followers are willing to follow through on that fatwa.
I don't see your point
Depends on the fatwa. In general I would say you are wrong. Muslims always follow the laws of the country they're in first, and sharia within its limits next.
@@staples1204 if the Muslim is a true believer and follower they will want to follow the fatwa or at least support it. That is why most strict adherents to Islam would like Sharia Law to supersede the law of the land in which they live. The question is will they actually obey the law - some are usually willing - and so a fatwa calling for violence should be taken seriously.
Islamic law is that a Muslim obeys the law of the land. Whether a Muslim in their mind thinks I wish this country had sharia law) is an irrelevant matter. Islam doesn't give them a right to break the laws of the country he is in. And fatwas don't call for violence
@@staples1204 it is not irrelevant when the majority wish to have Sharia Law and that some believe that they are only subject to Sharia Law because they believe it is the law given to them by Allah and so supersedes any man made law of the land. Fatwas have a similar standing in the minds of such people. Some Muslim's take fatwas to be as good as from Allah himself while others go fatwa shopping trying to find a fatwa that they pleases them.
Great work sister!
Their fatwas is valid everywhere were there is Muslims and some of them goes fundamental, which is extremely likely.
Brilliant presentation.
Why are most of the stories in this channel are so subjective?!
Have I got this right? This woman wants to be a Muslim but not under Islamic Law.
Thefalseprophet Isacameljockey she is a Muslim
If people only understood the meaning of muSLiM...Jesus was one of them :)
Peace
Secularism. Deal with it...
Fundamentalism is the latest invention of of western imperial powers to invade Middle East.
Simply brilliant and powerful Karima.
She mistranslated the title of her father’s article. It said “how integrism created ... “ not “how fundamentalism created ..”.
it's sort of the same thing in French
in North Africa, among the Berbers (Imazighen, correctly spoken), in the Levant, among the Kurds, the idea of nationalism and the fear of Arabization or Turkification spread, some inclined to secularism or atheism, putting the equal sign between Arabs, Turks and Muslims , as a foreign religion. . Even Persian intellectuals (but more intimate or, if necessary, living abroad) try to return to Zoroastrianism or Nestorian Christianity in response to the Arabization of the past. The Persians had an ancient, rich culture and were never reconciled to Islamic conquest. Persia's transition to Shiite Islam was the result of Shah Ishmail I's rivalry against the Ottomans. As the successor of Hassan Ozun, the leader of Aq Qoyunlu and the emperors of Trebizond, antipathy to the Ottomans was twofold and as war between Muslims (as in the case of rivalry between Orthodox and Catholic Christians) did not allow it, the transition to Shiism left him with no choice. to wage 'fair' wars. So everyone today who "defends the religion of their ancestors" should know that the risk of slavery, the advantage of alliances or simply the saving of life was far more important than faith in the "true god." This is the case with regard to the "other true religion" - Christianity.
And when you think that, in many cases, the ancestors of these fundamentalists fought until their death to defend their 'pagan' religion and their descendants are fighting hard to destroy anything other than their religion. I guess their ancestors never thought they were fighting the "true god" and that none of them were like Tolkien's orcs, or the "whitewalkers," or the monstrous insects of the Star Trooper.
Quit with the honeyed words. As Sam Harris put it 'the problem with Islamic fundamentalism is the fundamentals of Islam'.
All religions can be thought of as being composed of two parts; the spirituality, and the dogma. Themselves, those two parts are composed of many different facets each with their own purpose, for example parts of a religion's spirituality may be aimed towards a set of moral codes or comforting talk of afterlife or reincarnation. Dogma is the rules and commandmants of a religion, the edicts and decrees from deity or prophet. Dogma describes how you should life your life, how you should treat others, and sometimes even laying down decrees of law (such as Sharia law, under Islam). Dogma also sometimes serves as a concrete set of instructions solidifying the basic principles laid out under the moral aspect of the religion's spirituality.
Some religions, such as Buddhism for example are composed more of spirituality than dogma, while others such as Islam weigh much more heavily on the dogmatic side. Since it's inception, Islam has existed simultaneously as a religion and a system of governance, and thus is almost an all-in-one, package of state and religion rolled up into one neat bundle. Particularly handy if, like Muhammad, you're ruling over a large area of land and you want to ensure your empire is stable, enduring and resistant to change unless decreed by you or your dynasty.
Because Islam is so entrenched in its doctrine, it is resistant to change. Like Christianity, you can cherrypick parts of the Quran to make Islam look like a loving, liberal religion of peace, or an illiberal, fascistic engine of death and suffering. The difference is that Christianity is susceptible to reform (and reform it indeed has); most Christians would agree that very little of the bible is to be taken literally (which is on some level, an admission that most of it is utter horseshit... an improvement from the blind literal devotion that book commanded in, say, the middle-ages).
Christianity and the rest of the Abrahamic faiths have been able to evolve to some extent and become more compatible with the democratic, liberal principles of the societies most of us live in today. Islam, however, is highly resistant to such change (arguably by design), and that is why politically many majority-Islamic regions have barely changed since medieval times. Without reform, Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western society... and Islam is highly resistant to reform.
are you talking about the budhists that are commiting genocide in myanmar? yeah right.. and i bet you are a christian that can't say anything good abt it 'cause it was the most brutal of all religions.
neither is Muhammad.
@ Kill3rCat : very good points ... but Islam is also another Abrahamic religion following the ancient traditions of organized religions such as Judeo-Christianity ... and the modern "liberal" versions of the latter two still follow violence more than they do love or wisdom (the two most 'fundamental' elements of spirituality) because as we can see, majority of soldiers fighting America et al's unjust wars everywhere outside the Western borders happen to be extremely religious Christians! in Israel for example, fundamentalist Jews rule (the entire country is based on religious dogma in fact) and even if some young Jews don't want to be violent, serving in the army is mandatory by law!
You're forgetting Buddhists are attack Rohinga, and fundamentalist Christians are still trying to stomp on democracy. No religion is free from the shame of its fundamentalists.
The angry Buddhists are what baffle me the most, being without much dogma, as you pointed out.
Islam is still following a path of death and violence yet so many prophets continues to dodge questions and attempt to justify acts of violence. IT MUST STOP.
If all the terrors and hate in this earth is happening in name of Islam then it really doesn't matter how peaceful or loving one claiming it to be. Every religion is loving and peaceful because that's how it supposed to be but none of the other religions spread hatred and terror like Islam does and tries to prove themselves as saints at the end of it.
these TED talks really should be translated in French
And every society, cast, religion, sect. Does the same .
So what is the solution?
Where are fatwa against fundamentalist ? Define fundamentalist for me . Wasn't Muhammad' fundamentalist ? How about Quran?
Don Holborn She literally describes fundamentalism in the speech. The Quran outlines what Islam is truly about (of course you have to understand the context of the time and understand Arabic to know what it means), whereas fundamentalism is the manipulation of a religion to suit political agendas. There’s a big difference.
@@maleehahali267 No, he's right! Muhammad was a true fundamentalist! And stop lying: we don't need to know arabic to read the Quran, whose translations are extremely well watched (especially nowadays) but that cannot hide such enormous things like how they treat women, how they are constantly encouraged to "not associate" with Jews and Christians, AT BEST, but "kill them", if needed!... The Quran is a horrible book, undigestable and sick to the core, with one sourate contradicting the following one, and terrible commandings from a sick man (my uncle is the only person i know who's had the courage to read it from A to Z!). But the biggest problem of it all is that beievers BELIEVE that the whole has been written by God himself! THAT is where the main problem comes!...
This has me wishing she’d address these issues and the need of greater attention together with what is happening in the areas for which this current rendition can be seen as a push your own “smaller” issues aside and join me on my purpose......... I want to believe this presenter is capable of compassion for greater humanity and its needs and issues of struggle as well.
Very inspiring ...
Very intelligent and well spoken/ when any discourse is about Islam it always includes the horror and pain that seems to accompany this religion. I lived one year in Afghanistan & I found even the nice kind Afghan people I worked with, supported so many oppressive ideas us westerners abhor. They honestly had no concept of "freedom" be that religious freedom or personal freedom and especially female freedom. I came to the conclusion that this religion is just a religion of pain and oppression and all the apologizing & political correctness won't change it. I don't see any solution but the dissolution of Islam & that will not happen. The religion is it's 11th century writings that continue this old thinking Thus Muslims have contributed mostly nothing in terms of science, medicine, education, art, music... Essentially nothing. How can someone from the 11th century contribute to the 21st? So I am accepting that the horror stories we get in the news coming out of Pakistan about anther girl tortured and murdered for smiling, to these horrific mass killings won't stop as long as this religion exists.
Few things aren't accurate- you do realise 7th century and middle ages western societies were different to many Eastern- it was actually less Conservative in many Muslim societies than their Christian counterparts then. Also more work in science, womens rights and some religious minorities arriving in their land that came from being persecuted in Christian lands. Your going to ignore Colombus discovered America with the help of maps from Arabs? Afghanistan is a war torn country that has been affected by the Taliban, so yeah they have a lot of issues. Although a lot of Pre Islamic attitudes to woman are also there, which is from around the 3rd century. Similar to Pakistan. Islamic extremism is a huge issue, but you have to actually not spread falsehood to even make changes. Islam was blamed by many after 9/11 and more war on Muslim countries. However what did it do? It made it worse
I wish someone would talk about the attack on kids cadet academy in Peshawar as well, just goes to show how Muslims have suffered against Talibans and Extremists
how 's possible dat the religion is more powerfull that the humanity?
Islam and Democracy are inversely proportional So just forget maam. A country can democratic only when it is not islamic country
Good Muslims or radical muslims will not matter after a time period as good muslims are not doing enough to curtail the extremists and this will lead to other forces stepping in and doing what is needed. There will be a collateral damage and good or bad won’t make any difference. She says on one hand about the struggles of her father and so many other people but disagrees to accept that there is a fundamental problem in Islam, gosh !! I mean how can you say that even after so many examples ? We must accept the reality and call a spade a spade !!
I wonder what will happen if it is NOT of peace?
I know an algerian friend and many algerian friends whose fahers were sent to prison and killed by the government and way before islamism
STANDING OVATION........
I have your book lady Bennoune and i love it
"Fundamental" doesn't apply only to the right. It also applies to extreme left groups too.
Sorry, this story is from your side. Please put also the other side. Intellect is also to hear the other site. In that is honour
I beg your pardon. The other side? You mean the violence perpetrators?
The issue is: "Many muslims oppose extremism and terrorism" is a statement that condemns Islam, not defend it, because it implies many others do not, which is in fact true. The statement that should made about a group/culture/religion to be allowed in our society should be "With very few exceptions, everyone in *insert culture/religion here* strongly condemns terrorism".
"Conservative and wrong!" How patronizing can this woman get? I'm a liberal, I studied Islam for years, and I have yet to see a reformist Muslim who can explain the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy that was ordered by Mohammed. So I'm really sorry for Islam's Muslim victims, but they're Mohammed's victims, so they're not my problem.
I didn't even watch the video, but the title doesn't belong here.
Thank you Karima.Yes Brave Muslim women need to stand up to jihadists.But why do you love a religion that says 2 women equal to one man?
I'm sorry that it is tall, yet i hope this is useful.
With all due respect, I think you've misperceived the idea here; islam does not by any means say that 2 women are equal to 1 man. The verse says,
"O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her."
This clearly talks about testimony for a certain agreement, pact, debt, contract, etc... I have to say that this clearly proves that the woman has clearly equal rights that a man does in islam. This is because:
1. If the man testifying lies about the truth of the pact, he shall face major consequences from Allah. However, women do have a backbone to stand on because should one tend to sway against the truth, the other woman will guide her and talk her out of this. In other words, it is mercy from Allah to protect women from testifying false evidence.
2. In addition, science proves that women are more vulnerable to sway towards emotions more than men (not to disdain women, but science says so). So, this clearly shows Allah's wisdom and knowledge in revealing this verse to save women from false testifying something.
In conclusion, islam does not claim that men are more important than women. In fact, there is a whole chapter called "surah al nisaa (the women)" in the quraan, while men do not have there own chapter.
I hope this clarifies the whole matter.
@@hdusbekshfbdksisnakla7536 Oh My God! i can't believe i'm reading that and you think it makes sense and really means women are considered equals to men... i really can't believe you actually believe what you write is "equality"...
@@caro2233 and if i may ask, which part of what you've read is inequality from your perspective?
@@hdusbekshfbdksisnakla7536 easy : in your point 1 and your point 2.
@Caro you are mistaking equality with same. Men and women are equal in the eyes of God, but they each have different strengths that compliment the other. Equal, not same.
Bravo !!!!!!!!!
blaming islam for terrorism is like blaming christianity for colonialism
ToriZealot , you are lying... christianty made the most horrible crimes in the world so shut up... slavery is the core of christianity
Who are you accusing people of lying? What do you know about colonialism? Which Christian country sticks to slavery? Do you have any understanding of history?
do u blame nazism for the cruelty on jews... what do u say abt violent verses? isis is killing in the name of islam
Akira Murakami
That's a very good point , just don't forget that Islam does the same in the past and right now.
Besides Christians were are perceived as terrorists by many people around the world
I believe tolerance and acceptance of differences is a desirable strif
misinterpretation of Quran verses can do a lot, the verses you referred to are talking about particular people in time of war and saying very simply to fight who fights you and kill who tries to kill you.
prophet Mohammed also said the same and asked Muslims during wars never to burn trees to kill children or women.
and Quran is full of verses that asking Muslims to not fighting people who aren't fighting them or fighting Islam.
meanwhile, Spain armies led by priests and the church's blessings killed many civilizations during exploration of the Americas only because they didn't submit to Christianity or because they refuse to agree to let Christians took their lands and gold.
same Spain that during the Islamic rule Jews and Christians lived with no problem as citizens but after Christianity took over Spain all the Jews were expelled or killed along with the Muslims
Human beings have one purpose.. To love each other.. thats it...
Life is suffering, when you accept that life will be much more fulfilling.
@@sigmamgtow1317 you must be fun at parties :)
and to love the creatures we share this earth with, and our planet
This speech is full of positivity but sadly the comment section is full of negativity!
i know maria bashir , there a other stories about her, she work for money not women
Does One Bad Apple Really Spoil the Whole Bunch?
Most Nazis were peaceful, or?
Aira Murakami. Of course one cannot say all apples in a basket are rotten because one of them is rotten. However, it is the bad apple you must look out for, for it only takes ONE apple for you to get sick eating it.
Nazis were leftists, for the record!
No but it sure don't help
What screams to me is that Islam is not able to transcend cultures and clashes where ever it goes.... I don't see this with certain other religions like Buddhism, Christianity, scientology, jainism....
You think Turkey, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, Albanians are all the same culturally?
@@rdflower7025 ask yourself this question "in all the countries u mentioned prior to Islam were there cultures previously there? Are they still there in a peaceful environment? My comment is under the context of the video. Its is not an anthropological statement but rather an observation...
@@danCK1990 many Muslim countries have Pre Islamic stuff there and in some cultural aspect too. I'll use Afghanistan as an example- Pashtunwali which explains many things there including some treatment of women. Even that headress that has mesh over the eyes goes way back. Other examples are the different clothes throughout Muslim majority countries. Your observation suggests you don't know much about the variety of Muslim majority places they are. Have you been to any of the countries listed? Clearly Turkey, Albania, Indonesia, Oman, UAE all have their differences
@@rdflower7025 you are mistaken on the example itself...Afghanistan's minorities literally point to less than 2% of its population where do u see them not being targeted by Islamic fundamentalist. The point I made was not on historical monuments it was on how Islam has negatively influenced society there. Let's pin point turkey for eg...since the last 200 years have u seen their Christian, ahamadiyan and kurdish population getting along well with the govt that has been pro Islamic? I have been regularly visiting the GCC since 1990.. I agree the expatriate population suggests that they are tolerant but that's only 3 countries Oman, Bahrain and UAE but do u know that law is dictated separately and tuned differently for nationals. Again my point is that Islam if made a focal point of governance does not accommodate or even transcend other cultures/societies it is very oppressive fundamentally... Here is a fun fact Oman is the only country because the late "qaboos bin said" made sure that the diwan and the religious shura Council were separate for judicial regulations. No other country that follows Islamic doctrines has even thought of doing so until Sudan in 2019.....please check my context as per the Ted talk. The video clearly shows how many societies are not adapting to changes in their environment especially when Islam is the primary form of legislation and judiciary. Heck the eg of the Pakistani family is a clear indication of it and their blasphemy laws is an indicator of regression. Now the pashtuns have been there since the time of ghengis Khan and their real ethnic wear is different from what u see in the last 100 years. Religious law has pushed a different wave of clothing but to take ur eg itself please look at photographs of pre 1980 Afghanistan prior to Islamic law being enforced. You will notice a more Liberal society however once Islam was pushed down as legislation and executive things crumbled....the best eg I can give you us of the late afghani architect Zaha Hadid, she herself shared photographs of old Afghanistan which are a sharp contrast to the reality and the good intention you have been under the misguidance of.
@@danCK1990 you can take similar photos of old Afghanistan in the current Pakistan, UAE, Kuwait etc of woman including local in western clothes that look happy. Those photos in Afghanistan (although it wasn't as extreme rn) do not represent the whole picture like you think. Religion was a huge part of life even then. My original Afghanistan example was correct because it shows you how the culture is still there. The old religion of certain Afghanistan areas was not some sort of woman rights religion, the Islamic extremists have just identifised many aspects of the Pashtunwali that includes women. Remember the headress I was talking about? Not even common in Saudi, it is part of the Pre Islamic culture of Afghanistan. Yet the Taliban used it. Pakistan gov has a lot of corruption etc but it still has more similarities to the old more liberal (as you describe it ) Afghanistan than the current one. At one time Muslim societies used to receive Jewish people fleeing from persecution- this was when religion and state were together- was it more Islamic then or later when they didn't? Trust me Ik a lot about this- your original point was incorrect
is there an organization of moderate muslims whom oppose fundamentalism in western countries?
Bravo
I don't understand, she "loves her religion" but this is the religion that has been the basis for all those brutal killings.
This is most confusing.
How can this violence be eradicated if the basis of its origins is not admitted?
Fleur D'Rose maybe you should seperate bad muslim and Islam
The world has 2 enemies: Fundamentalism - and Islam.
كريمة بنون ، ناشطة حقوقية جزائرية ، بروفسور في القانون الدولي في جامعة كاليفورنيا ، محاضرة رائعة حول التطرف الأصولي الاسلامي وافرازات الجهلاء الأصوليين لمفهوم الدين في باكستان ، أفغانستان ، الصومال والجزائر ، تحكي قصّة طالبة الحقوق أمل زنون زواني التي نحرها الأصوليون بتاريخ 26 / 01 / 1997 في الساعة 5.17 حيث انكسرت ساعة يدها وتوقفت عند ذلك التوقيت (شهيدة العلم والمعرفة) وتبعتها شقيقتها لمياء زنون التي تمكنت من التخرج من كلية الحقوق متحدية معارضة الأصوليين الجهلاء للعلم والمعرفة خاصة للمرأة ، وتعمل الآن في حقل المحاماة ، كريمة بنون ، تسرد معاناة المرأة العربية والمسلمة من جهل التطرف الأصولي التكفيري ، مؤلفة كتاب فتوتكم لا تنطبق هنا ، شاهدوا واستمعوا بقلوبكم.
It'd be nice if you wrote that so all could understand otherwise I'm going to assume you have something to hide
no faith is focussed on domination it is the greed of individuals for power and control of others that corrupts
Have you read the Quran?
Paula Carroll. You may be right about the power and control but, at the end of the day, religious people will do anything to get to heaven.
Islam means submission,so...
Go study islam, then make informed comments. It is the duty of every muslim to spead islam, by any means deemed necessary. So, no, you are incorrect in your statement
No.. You're absolutely wrong. Islam is absolutely focused on DOMINATION.
As this lady says, there are many Muslims who oppose the fundamentalists and the terrorists.......so, is this the time when the "West" reaches out to those people and assist them in the subjugation of these lunatics, until they are purged from society?
Just a thought......ordinary Muslim people can be "recruited" to defeat this cancer and be supported and assisted in practical terms by the West.
Recently Isis and like-minded people following on the footsteps and theology of Muhammad, Ali and Sabiees which is mixed with Arab tribalism and Abrahamic religion killing innocent humans, women’s and animals.
Muslim is not a race or language. Word Muslim pre-dates Muhammad. Muslim means Follower of One God not Allah or Muhammad. Word Muslim used by Arab Idol Worshipper for Jews and Hejazi Bedouin Christians.
Muhammad later change the meaning of Muslim. Because he wants people to follow him
Okay Troll, whatever you say🤪
We always want to fix, treat, and heal the wounds without going deeper and extracting the root of the problems and address them: first the teaching of the religion and second the political correctness in the West. This is just masking the wounds but beneath them there's a growing rotten infection. How many more lives will be lost before realizing the root of the problem.